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Airguns by Make and Model => Benjamin Airguns => Topic started by: tennx on March 11, 2021, 05:51:08 PM
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Man I like this gun,,but as other have said ,no way to sight with that cheek rest as high as it is....good thing I didnt sell my Baker mount...lol...now to find a suitable scope among my spares....as I said really like the platform..but be warned ...iron sights aint happen...who knows maybe a peep...
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You would think Crosman would correct the issue with the stock. It's not like this hasn't been discussed before. Sounds like bad engineering.
Good thing you have your Baker mount.
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You would think Crosman would correct the issue with the stock. It's not like this hasn't been discussed before. Sounds like bad engineering.
Good thing you have your Baker mount.
Yes ...thanks u good folks ,I knew what I was in for...lol
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Well I put a Tasco variable on it ..using 1” rings....I’m thinking BugBuster for permanent....for me its a beast at 4 pumps...but its a tack driver...if I do my part...lol
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"Sounds like bad engineering."
No, its likely what crosman's marketing department thinks the consumer wants. Remember!!! This forum (and all other AG forums) are a drop in the bucket for for sales and little effect for what gets developed and "put on the shelves" (although there are some exceptions).
Crosman Marketing thinks thats what the shooters want, so they developed it. Theyve also kept some guns (MAV77) OFF the shelves cuz they think no one would buy at Walmart
Like wood stocks? Tell Crosman that.
Crosman Corporation
7629 Routes 5 & 20
Bloomfield, NY 14469
Toll free: 800-7AIRGUN (724-7486)
Direct: 585-657-6161
IF they start hearing from us, en masse, they'll listen. Bitchin' here or any other AG forum is not the way to get them to change.
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"Sounds like bad engineering."
No, its likely what crosman's marketing department thinks the consumer wants. Remember!!! This forum (and all other AG forums) are a drop in the bucket for for sales and little effect for what gets developed and "put on the shelves" (although there are some exceptions).
Crosman Marketing thinks thats what the shooters want, so they developed it. Theyve also kept some guns (MAV77) OFF the shelves cuz they think no one would buy at Walmart
Like wood stocks? Tell Crosman that.
Crosman Corporation
7629 Routes 5 & 20
Bloomfield, NY 14469
Toll free: 800-7AIRGUN (724-7486)
Direct: 585-657-6161
IF they start hearing from us, en masse, they'll listen. Bitchin' here or any other AG forum is not the way to get them to change.
well ,if its any consolation ...I talked to Crosman several times this week and I dont know how many are in the hobby...but they voiced concerns over the discontinue of the wood stock ....
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HEHE they ARE likley getting ear-fulls from people anyway.
Seems to me Crosman though, could have the kept wood stock model AND offered the synthetic too. Or offered the wood stock as a CS offereing (if /when CS gets up and runnign agian..)
They offer the 397/392 in two calibers, so why not two stocking options?
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"Sounds like bad engineering."
No, its likely what crosman's marketing department thinks the consumer wants. Remember!!! This forum (and all other AG forums) are a drop in the bucket for for sales and little effect for what gets developed and "put on the shelves" (although there are some exceptions).
Crosman Marketing thinks thats what the shooters want, so they developed it. Theyve also kept some guns (MAV77) OFF the shelves cuz they think no one would buy at Walmart
Like wood stocks? Tell Crosman that.
Crosman Corporation
7629 Routes 5 & 20
Bloomfield, NY 14469
Toll free: 800-7AIRGUN (724-7486)
Direct: 585-657-6161
If they start hearing from us, en masse, they'll listen. Bitchin' here or any other AG forum is not the way to get them to change.
What exactly do you suspect Crosman's marketing dept thinks consumers want?
Hard to believe that more people would prefer synthetic over wood on a classic pumper. Especially a synthetic that is shaped wrong for the open sights.
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If it was a nice long lasting polymer stock, I would be in for a new 397, I like my 2013 wood model, but the pistol grip is a little slippery. A nice slimline synthetic would be nice, but not being able to use the sights? give me a break.
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Makes me wonder why in the heck they didn't just put a scope rail on it while they were in the think tank, maybe they do not have a think tank or logic to put in it sometimes :-\ ??? ??? ???
Keeps us Modder's thinking I guess ;D
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"Sounds like bad engineering."
No, its likely what crosman's marketing department thinks the consumer wants. Remember!!! This forum (and all other AG forums) are a drop in the bucket for for sales and little effect for what gets developed and "put on the shelves" (although there are some exceptions).
Crosman Marketing thinks thats what the shooters want, so they developed it. Theyve also kept some guns (MAV77) OFF the shelves cuz they think no one would buy at Walmart
Like wood stocks? Tell Crosman that.
Crosman Corporation
7629 Routes 5 & 20
Bloomfield, NY 14469
Toll free: 800-7AIRGUN (724-7486)
Direct: 585-657-6161
IF they start hearing from us, en masse, they'll listen. Bitchin' here or any other AG forum is not the way to get them to change.
It is bad engineering.
If you read the post you would see this is not a matter of marketing or wood vs plastic or what they think people want.
It is most certainly a matter of bad engineering.
They failed to properly design a stock that actually works with the iron sights the gun is designed to be shot with.
They came up with a stock they believed people would think is cool and didn't realize you can't even really use the gun anymore.
They probably didn't test it because they figured " it's the same gun, we already know how they shoot ".
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You would think Crosman would correct the issue with the stock. It's not like this hasn't been discussed before. Sounds like bad engineering.
Good thing you have your Baker mount.
Design the stock for scope height and then have no dovetail grooves -- brilliant. (And I am a Crosman fan)
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Many utube reviews mention the sights, but also say how accurate the gun is with iron....for me I absolutely could not get a good fit to use....as most know u have to scope..to make gun useable....I dont know that even a set of peeps would work...
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You would think Crosman would correct the issue with the stock. It's not like this hasn't been discussed before. Sounds like bad engineering.
Good thing you have your Baker mount.
Design the stock for scope height and then have no dovetail grooves -- brilliant. (And I am a Crosman fan)
Guess they figure the package deal with scope/mount included would suffice...lol
I will add this with a regular length scope mounted....having to grab the pistol grip to pump gun is a pain...almost begs for the sitting down “position”....
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That's the beauty of a scout scope mount. Doesn't interfere with pumping. ;D
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That's the beauty of a scout scope mount. Doesn't interfere with pumping. ;D
Agreed and I did do that with the 392 Wood I just put back together...but these old eyes really need conventional....or a more powerful pistol scope....I saw a advertised scout scope I believe was variable listed for $200...
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I have 4x pistol scopes on a couple pumpers & a 2.5 BSA on another. But like Phil, I'm gonna need to up the magnification.
UTG has a 1", 2-7x32 pistol scope for around $130.00+/-, & a 30mm, 2-7x44 scout scope for $200.00+/-. BSA 2-7x28 pistol scope for about $85.00, just name a few.
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I have 4x pistol scopes on a couple pumpers & a 2.5 BSA on another. But like Phil, I'm gonna need to up the magnification.
UTG has a 1", 2-7x32 pistol scope for around $130.00+/-, & a 30mm, 2-7x44 scout scope for $200.00+/-. BSA 2-7x28 pistol scope for about $85.00, just name a few.
Thanks for that somehow overlooked...PA has a couple...
I have a shot gun scope..makes handling little easier...guess I will order a mac1 and new scope and go scout...
Just installed this...dont remember what power...but on the money at 40 feet....does make handling a little better..
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“What exactly do you suspect Crosman's marketing dept thinks consumers want? “
1400 fps.... sub 100 price point ...
“Hard to believe that more people would prefer synthetic over wood on a classic pumper. Especially a synthetic that is shaped wrong for the open sights.”
Again, back to who buys these.... WE on the forums know what a classic gun is. Buyers shopping at Walmart, Basspro etc likley dont. And those businesses sell a LOT of guns for Crosman. And Again, forum members are a drop in the bucket sales-wise. HAve talked to a couple of folks inside Crosman about this awhile back (thats where I got the MAV77 info...) but ABSOLUTLEY agree about the scope rails. Now THAT is a mistake.
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“What exactly do you suspect Crosman's marketing dept thinks consumers want? “
1400 fps.... sub 100 price point ...
“Hard to believe that more people would prefer synthetic over wood on a classic pumper. Especially a synthetic that is shaped wrong for the open sights.”
Again, back to who buys these.... WE on the forums know what a classic gun is. Buyers shopping at Walmart, Basspro etc likley dont. And those businesses sell a LOT of guns for Crosman. And Again, forum members are a drop in the bucket sales-wise. HAve talked to a couple of folks inside Crosman about this awhile back (thats where I got the MAV77 info...) but ABSOLUTLEY agree about the scope rails. Now THAT is a mistake.
You're missing the point.
A useless stock is a useless stock, regardless of who they intend to market these to.
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Talked with Crosman at Shot.Show Jan 2020 about the stock, and they seemed unaware of any issue with the stock. By now, of course, they must know. My take is that after having a zillion manufactured to those spec’s, it’s hard to change course, at least in the short term. It will take time to get those thru the system before more ergonomic stocks become available. Hopefully Crosman will stick with the 392/7 platform and not dump it like they did the 20 cal.
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Apparently the people at Crosman have never shouldered one of their 392s. You'd think at least one person in D&R or marketing would have before they released the 392 for sale. ::)
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I bet folks who plan to scope it aren't complaining.
Kinda hard to please everyone. Adding an adjustable cheek riser most likely would have affected the price.
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The new action can be dropped right in an older model wood stock. See pic within the blog.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2021/02/benjamin-397-variable-pump-air-rifle-part-2/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2021/02/benjamin-397-variable-pump-air-rifle-part-2/)
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Has anyone attempted to cut/fill/reshape the synthetic stock? If someone has a good filler material to use, I'll do mine in a heartbeat. Just don't know how to go about it. Thought of using fiberglass screen and epoxy or just cutting cheek riser off, filling stock with epoxy and adding a wood riser sanded and shaped to contours of the stock, keeping low enough to use open sights.
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I did switch stocks.
I had an older 392 wood stock with a Baker scope mount on it.
Bought a new 392 synthetic stock and put a peep sight on it.
I switched stocks because the Baker mount grub screws had made marks on top of the brass receiver.
I had to drill the wood front handle to knock out the pins.
I filled the holes afterward with 4 SS screws counter sunk to be smooth.
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I cannot call it a “ Classic Pumper,” anymore.
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I cannot call it a “ Classic Pumper,” anymore.
Me either, and I consider the daisy 880 to be a classic pumper.
Even if it's not wood and metal it has the look of it.