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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: cosmic on February 22, 2021, 06:25:49 PM
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Anyone have one or know about it ??
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i got one, they are pretty good and powerful, not backyard friendly w/o silencer, @50ftlbs+
i am pretty sure the T1 has the same innards but has more finish options but no wood stock
the reviews are pretty accurate and you will get well over the 800fps they advertise, it is more like 950ish, it is not a pishtov or retay version which are lower quality of the model
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huh, looks like I'm only about 15 miles from their "headquarters." I'm not really interested in their guns, otherwise I might try to see if I could visit and check them out in person. Anyone know where these are from - Turkey? China?
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Turkey. US distributor has interest in a plant in Turkey...or so I heard,...
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Just pulled the trigger on one of the T2's, I'll post update when it comes in!(got the *upgradeable spring upgrade, which they don't do a very good job of advertising, its probably something I could have made myself, but it's only money.)
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If you go to M&B AIR GUN REVIEWS on youtube they show a code for $100 dollar off at CATTLEMAN AIRGUNS , for air gun related items over $200 total. Says for a short time and was posted 2/21/2021.
If these are producing 48-50 ft/lbs in 22 , it would be interesting to see what the 25's make. 55? 60?
No lead collection system , but has threaded barrel. They say barrels interchangeable between 22 and 25 with just barrel and probe.
Free Hard case and even oil in package. Us based and give 10% to the troops. Mighty Compelling. Only downside for some might be they probably on the heavy side , more like a Hatsan.
If I really really didn't need a fishing boat, I'd be all over the M1 full stock wood version. :'(
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If you go to M&B AIR GUN REVIEWS on youtube they show a code for $100 dollar off at CATTLEMAN AIRGUNS , for air gun related items over $200 total. Says for a short time and was posted 2/21/2021.
If these are producing 48-50 ft/lbs in 22 , it would be interesting to see what the 25's make. 55? 60?
No lead collection system , but has threaded barrel. They say barrels interchangeable between 22 and 25 with just barrel and probe.
Free Hard case and even oil in package. Us based and give 10% to the troops. Mighty Compelling. Only downside for some might be they probably on the heavy side , more like a Hatsan.
If I really really didn't need a fishing boat, I'd be all over the M1 full stock wood version. :'(
You’re probably better off with the fishing boat. Let a bunch of people buy them and test them. That YouTube stuff isn’t worth a bucket of wet. Some people just can’t see through it until they have been airgunning for a while. All you have to do is ask yourself how many YouTube reviews have you seen of a gun shooting horribly and breaking? According to YouTube videos, all airguns are awesome and super accurate.
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A bucket of wet. That’s not what I typed. Being censored is amusing. Let’s try a bucket of urine and see if that works.
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If you go to M&B AIR GUN REVIEWS on youtube they show a code for $100 dollar off at CATTLEMAN AIRGUNS , for air gun related items over $200 total. Says for a short time and was posted 2/21/2021.
If these are producing 48-50 ft/lbs in 22 , it would be interesting to see what the 25's make. 55? 60?
No lead collection system , but has threaded barrel. They say barrels interchangeable between 22 and 25 with just barrel and probe.
Free Hard case and even oil in package. Us based and give 10% to the troops. Mighty Compelling. Only downside for some might be they probably on the heavy side , more like a Hatsan.
If I really really didn't need a fishing boat, I'd be all over the M1 full stock wood version. :'(
You’re probably better off with the fishing boat. Let a bunch of people buy them and test them. That YouTube stuff isn’t worth a bucket of wet. Some people just can’t see through it until they have been airgunning for a while. All you have to do is ask yourself how many YouTube reviews have you seen of a gun shooting horribly and breaking? According to YouTube videos, all airguns are awesome and super accurate.
those guns were given to the reviewers,
you don't give bad reviews if you want to keep receiving free stuff.
they definitely are biased reviews
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I don’t even think they were given to reviewers, seems like they set up two YouTube channels to promote their Airguns and disguised them as airgun review channels.
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Time will tell. Will all the naysayers eat their words IF the guns prove worthy, likely not. Sad to see so many willing to jump to conclusions before the verdict is given. Someone(s) has invested a lot in bringing these guns to market, to present airgun snobs an opportunity not many are willing to do. I will wait to form my opinions based on facts and legitimate opinion from trusted individuals.
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I don’t even think they were given to reviewers, seems like they set up two YouTube channels to promote their Airguns and disguised them as airgun review channels.
I kind of feel the same. Both channels oddly enough were created in same year (2011) which seems odd and the one started doing air rifle reviews recently.
not sure what the story is and don't really care; skepticism alarm was triggered.
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Time will tell. Will all the naysayers eat their words IF the guns prove worthy, likely not. Sad to see so many willing to jump to conclusions before the verdict is given. Someone(s) has invested a lot in bringing these guns to market, to present airgun snobs an opportunity not many are willing to do. I will wait to form my opinions based on facts and legitimate opinion from trusted individuals.
If proven wrong, I bet they will. The thing with these guns is they were released under a different name several months ago and a bunch of people here bought them. They were very nice looking but didn't shoot as well as other guns at the same price like the new Benji Craftsman line. If these guns have been improved upon Cattleman should have something posted explaining what has been improved on theirs compared to the original release of these guns.
I personally wish them well.
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Here is an interesting comparison.
https://youtu.be/Rzlw6UDmUFg
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If you go to M&B AIR GUN REVIEWS on youtube they show a code for $100 dollar off at CATTLEMAN AIRGUNS , for air gun related items over $200 total. Says for a short time and was posted 2/21/2021.
If these are producing 48-50 ft/lbs in 22 , it would be interesting to see what the 25's make. 55? 60?
No lead collection system , but has threaded barrel. They say barrels interchangeable between 22 and 25 with just barrel and probe.
Free Hard case and even oil in package. Us based and give 10% to the troops. Mighty Compelling. Only downside for some might be they probably on the heavy side , more like a Hatsan.
If I really really didn't need a fishing boat, I'd be all over the M1 full stock wood version. :'(
actually its pretty light and balanced well
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I have been testing the Cattelman T! for the past two days. Interesting to say the least. As to whether it is a re-brand or not, read here.
Good Afternoon Everyone,
I wanted to extend my gratitude to those who are supporting Cattleman Guns, it is a true honor. I see there is misinformation posted here and I am hoping to rectify some of this.
After the Homestead Act of 1862 was enacted it provided traders and settlers with means to acquire cheap western lands. Its intent was for farming but was exploited by ranchers. Cattle Kingdom became the trend. This was the first time in history where all races could work together united without prejudice. Men from all walks of life set out on a dream—a dream for freedom, for equality, and opportunity.
Cattleman Guns is an American based business that would like to keep these traditions going. We were forged under the same hopes of opportunity and dreams of instilling unification through our constitutional-given right to bear arms. Cattleman Guns would like to present our members and Veterans with the highest respect and quality we can render.
I grew up on a farm where we had all walks of creatures, but I am also a complete history nerd… the first time in American history where race didn't matter was when the cowboys were formed.
So not only did I grow up with the principles of a farm life, seeing the hard work it takes every day from dust to dawn, learning that integrity and respect— I also want to remember who built this country. Without those settlers traveling out west—who knows where we would be.
So as a reminder from my childhood and from our history past, I named my company Cattleman Guns.
Pneuwa is the name my brother came up with—he figured pneuwa—pneumatics, pneuwa is the name that represents the PCP side of my company. I am also a wholesale firearm importer so to distinguish my real firearms from my PCP, my brother came up with Pneuwa.
The manufacturer for my company is "Cattleman Guns Turkey" that is my licensed, patented, and registered manufacturing name in Turkey.
I am not associated with any other company or manufacturing that has similar products. Yes, I took a design that someone poorly manufactured and brought it to the drawing table. However, we do offer services, upgrades, and repairs to products such as Pishtov, Sovran Air, Milano, and Retay.
My brother is in the Army serving in Iraq as we speak. He was going to help me with this adventure but was deployed shortly after getting our manufacturing situated. My father is a retired Marine. My grandfather, US Navy, my other grandfather was in the Air Force. Each and every purchase from Cattleman Guns will donate 10% to the Wounded Warrior Project or the Semper Fi Fund. THANK YOU VETERANS AND TROOPS! We cannot show enough gratitude or respect to you and your family.
All of my products come with a 1 Year Replace, Repair, Service Warranty. If you are not satisfied with your product that you received from us, Send it back! The last thing we want to do is disappoint a customer. As for our customer service—you can call, text, email, WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram us at any point and we will return with promptness. When you call Cattleman Guns, there is no waiting to push 1 or 2 for customer service, push 3 for complaints, when you call, you will have a real person speaking with you immediately. If no one answers, we are on the line with another customer and do not want to be rude. We will call you back as quickly as we are capable of. Customer Feedback is VITAL to our company. We love hearing from you whether it is positive or negative. We cannot improve on our products without this feedback. This is why I have sent our products for honest reviews. We do not promote reviewers whatsoever. We have no control over what they say or do.
We offer “Neighborhood Friendly” models with 700-900 FPS available
Our stock rifles reach anywhere between 900-1100 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/tel:900-1100) FPS depending on the grain or pellet. I will say we built this rifle for hunting. I grew up in the woods, not with a chronograph. So she likes slugs and heavier grain pellets. If you are looking for better grouping and less velocity go with the neighborhood friendly version.
I appreciate your time when reading this. I hope everyone’s family is doing well. If you have any questions or comments please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you all for your support. We do lobby in DC for our 2nd Amendment Rights. I hope all of you can help join us! Stay Safe!
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It is Our Right,
Victoria Wilson 🌈✨🌈
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Parts of my finding so far.
Yes they have indeed. Looked last night at it closely inside and out. Very good machining, Silencer ready and a fully tensioned bbl. Some hammer adjustment now, but lacking power. I will go deeper into it tonight. (Work a night here. Habit form Texas Heat)!, and much less wind. Its been terrible here.
Found the issue causing the swinging fps many remarked about. I tried to contact the company this morning. I wish to let them know the issue and how to address it I will hold of posting the finding until I talk to them. don't want to stab anyone in the back. I figure this is the reason they sent it for testing from me. I don't do promo vids. I just try to solve problems.
Hopefully they will agree to both address it, and send a replacement part to take care of it.
Either way, I will post the issue once I have contacted them. I hope with news from them with a cure. If not, I will be more than glad to give the info out here. Give me a few days. If I don't post it in a couple of days, I will be happy to give the cure. 😉
Knife
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I was unable to get the valve out of the tube block. Figured it must have thread sealant on it. Thought abut adding heat, but that could destroy the poppet. Por in the bbl was a tiny .161 dis. Far too small to pas much air. No wonder thy are off in fps. I opened i up to .187 last night. Poppet stem is FAR too large in dia. Takes up too much room iin the valve body, again choking off flow. I wanted to turn it down, but again, I failed to remove the valve body from it tube.
The bbl shot terrible with both my cast slugs, (Probably too low fps, and poorly wth my cast pellets. The JSB 18 shot OK, but not up to my standards. I wanted to know why. Well, the bore look like it was soaked in salt water and put away. I have never seen such aj pitted bbl. And the usual circle created wit a poor reem for the crown was very present as well.
The leade was off center, and no bevel into the rifling at all.
I lapped and polished the bore and re-crowned. Well see if it helped in a few minutes.
Now if I can just get the darned valve body off the tube, I can increase the port size and turn down the center section of the poppet stem to be better in allowing air to pass!
I tried to call the company yesterday, but only got "Leave a message" I will try again Monday. Apparently they sent me the gun to find any issues, and since that is what I do, I will follow up.
It is a good looking unit, with nice machining in the mono block. The bbl. apparently got away form the machinist, and it has terrible cuts on the outside Dia. as well. GRRRRRR!!!
I do appreciate the Tensioned bbl. It is very ridged. If a proper bbl. was present, it should preform well.
Knife
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Now that I think about it, I do have a spare Evanix poppet or two here. Perhaps I should install one and put a bushing in the valve body to utilize the smaller evanix pin. which is too large for good air flow for slugs as well, but I turned down the mid section on them for mover volume. 😉
The poppet pin in the test gun is a full 3/6" in dia. A tool steel pin at 3/32 or al little larger would be idea. and I saw a lot of galling. Especiallly for a new unit. SS on SS is a huge no-no! Making a brass tube to take up the difference and pressing it in the valve body for the pin to rind it a tried an true hot rodding technique in slug shooters, and will stop the galling for good. ;<)
Knife/Mike
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I hope I have the opportunity to talk one on one with Miss Victoria. I appreciate the company model and after seeing the quality machining of the Mono Block itself and the much improved trigger assembly, This design has great possibilities. Just a little tweaking as is needed in any new product.
Oh, and fire the lathe operator and NEVER-Ever let him touch a lathe or barrel again. "EVER"!!! ( My Poor attempt at humor).
I can see the need for the poppet pin's enormous size, ,as it is stuck in an offside position. (which I freely admit have never found or seen before and allows a much larger air pressure tube without having to rely on a very tall Mono Block,, (Rather forward thinking)!
However, narrowing the pin shaft only inside the in the valve body itself will eliminate the loss of air volume in the chamber of the valve body and greatly improve performance. The actual shaft dia, leading into the rear of the valve can be and should remain beefy as it will give longevity to the design. Particularly in higher power applications. A Hybrid if you will.
Man, I wish this old Texas could work things better. GRRRRR! Cattleman. The name kinda warms the heart of an old Texan. Kinda feels like home.
I plan to install a new barrel that I have here. (custom barrel) Tonight and see what this Gal can really do!
I do not agree with the accusations of using patriotic and Veteran remarks by the company as a scam at all. Not n the least. Seems to me, Miss Victoria is proud of her family's contributions to our Country. I would very much like to see such unfounded speculations kept to oneself as there are NO proof any such thing is happening. I hate that nowadays everything is looked at in a negative way. Glass is half full way. It is not what I remember of the American Spirit!
Knife
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Mine was very low on power, even though it is the higher power version or I would thkn as it has the 22" bbl. (23", didn't measure)? rather than the shorter version. It is a very heavy bbl.
I think I will put a multi layer thick carbon fiber wrapped light weight bull barrel barrel in it tonight if possible and re-test as the design deserves a better piece of hardware. Probably nothing more than a bad barrel slipping buy and getting into the mix.
It happens, even with the most expensive offerings form top names in the industry.😉
I see that the description on the company site states 800 to 1100 fps, * Upgradeable. Wonder exactly what this means other than spring tension?
Mine arrived shootin JSB 18's at 760'a. After a little porting of the bbl and a new spring, she is now shooting the same pellets in the 88o's. It will take more umph for slugs though. I will try and contact the company next week. .
Added, I did open the barre port from .161 to .187 and tried a stronger, bu shorter spring. (Shorter to prevent any hanmer bounce). It picked up over 100 fps. I was unable to open the valve body port, as is seems to have some type of threadlocker in it and I didn't want to damage the poppet seal with heat. I haven't' given up yet.
This has just begun.
Knife
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I hope I have the opportunity to talk one on one with Miss Victoria. I appreciate the company model and after seeing the quality machining of the Mono Block itself and the much improved trigger assembly, This design has great possibilities. Just a little tweaking as is needed in any new product.
Oh, and fire the lathe operator and NEVER-Ever let him touch a lathe or barrel again. "EVER"!!! ( My Poor attempt at humor).
I can see the need for the poppet pin's enormous size, ,as it is stuck in an offside position. (which I freely admit have never found or seen before and allows a much larger air pressure tube without having to rely on a very tall Mono Block,, (Rather forward thinking)!
However, narrowing the pin shaft only inside the in the valve body itself will eliminate the loss of air volume in the chamber of the valve body and greatly improve performance. The actual shaft dia, leading into the rear of the valve can be and should remain beefy as it will give longevity to the design. Particularly in higher power applications. A Hybrid if you will.
Man, I wish this old Texas could work things better. GRRRRR! Cattleman. The name kinda warms the heart of an old Texan. Kinda feels like home.
I plan to install a new barrel that I have here. (custom barrel) Tonight and see what this Gal can really do!
I do not agree with the accusations of using patriotic and Veteran remarks by the company as a scam at all. Not n the least. Seems to me, Miss Victoria is proud of her family's contributions to our Country. I would very much like to see such unfounded speculations kept to oneself as there are NO proof any such thing is happening. I hate that nowadays everything is looked at in a negative way. Glass is half full way. It is not what I remember of the American Spirit!
Knife
That last part was addressed to rather nasty members over on the agn. Odd bunch at times. GRRRRRRR!!! I am a Vet and appreciate it. I live here by the largest base in the free world. I see a LOT of businesses that do use a percent off as a scam. This outfit is actually doing something important with the money. Good for them!
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Knife, being a veteran in a long line of Veterans, I agree. Closely following your thread, just looking for an excuse to buy one while supporting our great veterans. I hope your barrel experience was an anomaly and not a norm.
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thanks for really getting a good look into them, love your approach and attitude, honesty is the best policy
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I have now talked at length with Miss Victoria, and we have reached an agreement. I am to really go over the gun with a fine toothed comb, an gives both my findings and give assistance as to what can be done to make the new guns as premium as possible and perform above their price range.
I am already on it. Yep, the barrel is a fluke. A replacement barrel is on the way. We want this gun in prime shape and ready for the auction here.
There is also a well known Mechanical Engineer that tunes AG's that will be working with me to really bring these offerings into fine and worthwhile AG's t be proud of.
He wishes to be anonymous for the time being, and I respect that. I have known and been friends with him for many years across several forums and is very well resected. Sooooo--- Woo-Hoo!!! It's ON! ;)
When the new owner receives this gun, it will be a custom, one of a kind at least until the improvements can be made in the entire line. Now hows that!
Knife
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Great to hear...
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Thanks Mike, for your knowledge that you share with us all !!! By the way to *(&^ with the naysayers !!! You are helping us and the manufacturer..
Ray
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I have now talked at length with Miss Victoria, and we have reached an agreement. I am to really go over the gun with a fine toothed comb, an gives both my findings and give assistance as to what can be done to make the new guns as premium as possible and perform above their price range.
I am already on it. Yep, the barrel is a fluke. A replacement barrel is on the way. We want this gun in prime shape and ready for the auction here.
There is also a well known Mechanical Engineer that tunes AG's that will be working with me to really bring these offerings into fine and worthwhile AG's t be proud of.
He wishes to be anonymous for the time being, and I respect that. I have known and been friends with him for many years across several forums and is very well resected. Sooooo--- Woo-Hoo!!! It's ON! ;)
When the new owner receives this gun, it will be a custom, one of a kind at least until the improvements can be made in the entire line. Now hows that!
Knife
Did you buy your cattleman?
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No, if you read the opening post someone sent it to him... He did not even know it was coming...