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Am pushing button monday and am wondering which caliber you prefer or have used and why that size rifle.Am going to use mine for hogs and probably yotes getting into chickens
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Am pushing button monday and am wondering which caliber you prefer or have used and why that size rifle.Am going to use mine for hogs and probably yotes getting into chickens
.45 caliber (mine is a 909 with a tune) because it shoots plenty flat enough out to 60 yards for hunting, and .45 caliber makes a big hole/does a lot of damage to the animal. Has worked great for me on hogs, coyotes, bobcats etc.
.50 caliber tends to produce diminished returns, and ammo selection is very limited. Lots of .45 caliber stuff out there from light, to heavy. .357 sounds nice, but I prefer the bigger .45 overall especially if hogs are involved.
If you can swing it, I suggest the .45 Ranger. That's more of a 100yard .45 airgun.
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Having owned a Ranger 45 for several months and tried numerous bullets in it, I have to concur with Butchers assesment.
There is so much more you can do with the added power and the accuracy this rifle provides.
You have three power levels, which only high and low are available or medium by itself, without taking the rifle from the stock, this gives me the option of round ball at 1050FPS or 400 grain bullets at 800 FPS.
With the Ranger you have the power and the accuracy for coyotes to elk out to 100 yards and beyond.
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Good advice above.
You will want a convenient source for 4500 psi air to take full advantage of the Ranger if you go that route.
Actually, with the amount of air that .45 and .50 cal use, 4500 psi air is always nice, even if your gun only needs 3000.
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No doubt about it LloydSS these things are airhogs.
Two days ago I shot 30 shots on low power, filled about every three shots to 3000 PSI and used 1500 PSI out of a 44cf 4500 PSI tank.
Again that was on low power.
I provide my air supply with a Shoebox, filling three 44 cf scba bottles that I cascade. At times I tether the rifle, because filling every two shots at the range getting tiring, when I do that I tether directly to the bottle, rather than thru a regulator like I do my AA S410 or my Condor 25.
My rifle works best at 4100 PSI, I get 812 FPS with 410 grains at this level, but only get two shots and each shot takes 650 PSI from the rifles air tube.
In the field, I fill from the cascade system until the pressure gets below 3800 PSI or so, then I use a booster pump to fill either my rifle or a Pygmy tank.
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The Booster is a ram air pump, meaning that it diverts the air supply form the cascade system into two lines, one goes to running the ram and travels thru a regulator that takes it down to 100 PSI and the other line fills the Booster pump and the vessel being filled, ie the Ranger tank or a Pygmy tank.
When I cycle the valve on the Booster the ram compresses the higher PSI level, say 3000 PSI in example, and compresses it to up to 4500 PSI,or lower if you back off the toggle valve.
If you only have scuba and you are limited to 3000PSI and lower, the Booster can make your air supply last much longer.
I have more invested in the air management system than the rifle.
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Like others said go. 45 I have a Haley qb conversion Being built approximately approximately 225 fpe with 5-7 shots per fill perfect for some nasty yotes. The ranger is a beast and so is the 909 plenty of options you have with a. 45 and a large array of ammo too
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Ok thanks guys i just ordered a .45.The Rangers look awesome with much power too just can do the $ they are asking for it although im sure its worth every penny!Went ahead and ordered the 909.Should be here by end of the week!now another waiting game!
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One more thing.Best round you have used in .45?ive ordered a few different kind,round balls included but what have you had good luck with? Thanks
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EPP/UG's are the first slug I would suggest for a 909......great go-to shooter, and hunter for anything smaller than a deer (though they have killed deer, and hogs as well). It's a fast super-lightweight slug that proves to be accurate in SamYang rifles far more often than not. Way more efficient than roundball, and usually cheaper too. I used the EPP/UG with success last fur season on both coyote (about 50 yards off) and bobcat (38 dedicated paces).....punched very neat .45caliber holes with plenty of penetration for coyote-sized animals. Other bigbore airgun hunters have killed deer and hogs with them. Though I would prefer a 200+grainer LFN/WFN for those 125-150+lb critters, IF the EPP/UG's were all I had to fall back on, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a deer or non-monstrous hog with them if shot from a power-tuned 909/909S.
I have a lot of confidence in the EPP/UG's accuracy. If you do a search for EPP/UG's, you will find a lot of info on them. Mark Whyte (WhyteLeatherWorks) offers a 170 or so grainer called the .45Slim that I have shot .45inch@50yards off steady stix with.
Also try MaxiBalls, the Lee R.E.A.L. design, SureFire Raptors.....try all the light to medium weight .45ACP/.45Colt cast designs you can get your hands on....particularly the more .45acp-proven SWC profiles 200-230grains. BuffaloBulletCompany BP Pistol stuff is worth a try...the 180grainers shot well in mine and I always wanted to try the 190grainers but never did.....BHD's lighter "JR" WFN shot very well with the limited amount of them I have shot, and have a huge meplat for big game hunting.......if you can find some original hollowpoint #454424's those shoot very well in my own 909 as well when sized .456-.458 (I tried two alloys made from the same mold).
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DDGrego lease don't delete any of your topics....when you do that it deletes everyones post on the thread. It is dis-heartening to see everyone's well thought out, informative posts they put their time and effort into get thrown out.
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ok i found some of the sluhs you were talking about so ill give them a shot.Gun shows delivery tomorrow!
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I'm getting a .50 soon :)
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thats cool i almost ordered a 50 but the cost on ammo was just more then i wanted to pay right now.Plus i have a 45 black powder gun that i shoot balls with that are the same size for the air rifle.
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my .45 was delivered to my sisters yesterday so im headed over to pick it up today.Talk about a short drive there and back.It wil be driving me nuts to have this for a few hours and not have it out yet!
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finally got it today!
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Congratulations ddgrego .
Great choice, A .45 Sam Yang . Thats an Awesome Rifle.
Jetman
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Sweet!
You may want to go ahead an order the foster fill set-up if you haven't already.....most folks prefer it over the stock set-up.
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beautiful wood
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Yes i already ordered it but it wont get here untill Saturday.thanks for info though as this gun will be a new learning experience.I was surprised how much air was already in it.It didnt look opened as it was stapled shut still and all wrapped up.Im already think .50 and maybe later a quakenbush later.Hes not too far from where i live and i here there awesome too!
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Very nice! More fun than Christmas! When will you be able to shoot it?
Lloyd
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Looks like a keeper . I have always liked the wood on my Koreans . Just a touch of oil and they are good to go . The fill nipple is a must . Enjoy Marvin
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Saturday unfortunately Lloyd! And it does look better after i wiped her down.
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Do you all shoot the big bores with open sights or scope it?Did you remove the rear sight or go with a high mount to get over the rear sight on the 909s?
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Scopes for most . You can remove the rear sight if need be . I have found that the Leapers off set 1 piece mount works well with the Koreans .Marvin
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Go with a low-powered variable with high mounts, and an objective bell around 32mm (no bigger than 40mm TOPS!). You shouldn't have to remove the rear site when using a compact scope with a 32mm objective lens.
Buy the best scope you can afford......good glass is well worth it.
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I removed both Rear and front sigths, the rear so I can get any lenght scope closest to the Bore, the front so when using Low, Low power it doestn't interfere with the picture
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tx on scope issues and awesome looking gun too!
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Sweet!
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i have a 3x9x32 and a 4x16x40 so ill try em both to see what works best for me.you all use a 1pc or 2pc mount on them?
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i have a 3x9x32 and a 4x16x40 so ill try em both to see what works best for me.you all use a 1pc or 2pc mount on them?
4X16 is a whole lot of scope for a bigbore.....the 3X9X32 sounds like the ticket.
I use an older BKL double-strap rings w/ risers. Really nice set-up......worth the money.
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I looked at both and went with the3x9x32.it looks like a much better fit and it has an AO also.got my slugs in and my firrings in mail just a minute ago so im gonna try her out in a few!
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First old Daisy's,then crosman pumps,then springer's then NP gun then PCP guns and now this big bore.All i can say on big bore is WOW.its more addictive then alcohol!Boy can they do some damage at a distance.shoots very well at 75 yards.They sure are air hogs too.may have to look at a 9mm next
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The progression you described is the same as any "normal" person might go through. There is no sickness involved with it, right? Yes, that's right. I agree too. Perfectly normal.
The may be air hogs, but they definitely are a lot of fun to shoot. I was shooting my ,458 outside the other day using some rotted pine logs as a backstop. Those big bullets certainly plow a nice furrow thru that rotten wood and dirt!
Enjoy that thing!
Lloyd
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Wish i would have done it sooner!and i hear of a few guys that can tune them up to shoot even a little better.
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Send her to Will Piatt, he would make her a totally different gun :)
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Yes ive heard of him working on the big bores.ill give him a shout after i waste a few things with it first.Thanks
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question on pressure in gauge.all documents say 3000psi but gauge on gun show red starting at 2000psi.what to go by?Is 3000 the max pressure or is gauge wrong or all of them like this.Thanks
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They are all that way . The gauge on the gun is in bars not psi. Marvin
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Yes you are correct thanks.After looking again with better glasses i see that now.Wasnt thinking and i should have known that. duh!
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sent mine off today for a tune up! Not so much as power but it will have more but for a more efficient use of its capabilities!Said it would take a couple weeks so now its sit and wait! ugh
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OK so I just received my 909 .45 cal yesterday and I have put about 10 shots through it and now I have it dialed in at 100 yards. It is about 2" high at 40 yards and dead on at 100. I am using the Hornady 143 grain round ball and also tried the Powerbelt 195 grain .45 hollow point. It hits almost the same as the round ball just a little lower. Who can do a tune on this gun and how would I get in touch with him. Also, what does he do to the gun and what does it cost.
I would appreciate any information available. I am very impressed with the rifle so far and would love to see it better and smoother.
Thanks,
Rich
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Sweet gun.
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Will Piatt With Saddle Mountain airguns for one and also www.bgmfairguns.com (http://www.bgmfairguns.com). BG has done mine and the shot consistency was much improved! check out there websight and go from there! Dont ya just love those big bores!
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OK so I just received my 909 .45 cal yesterday and I have put about 10 shots through it and now I have it dialed in at 100 yards. It is about 2" high at 40 yards and dead on at 100. I am using the Hornady 143 grain round ball and also tried the Powerbelt 195 grain .45 hollow point. It hits almost the same as the round ball just a little lower. Who can do a tune on this gun and how would I get in touch with him. Also, what does he do to the gun and what does it cost.
I would appreciate any information available. I am very impressed with the rifle so far and would love to see it better and smoother.
Thanks,
Rich
Will piatt will give her a good tune.
You'll get much better accuracy with the 155gr EPP/UG unsized from Dash caliber, only 15 bucks for 150 count
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Very cool info, I am thinking that will be the gun I get also and will probably pull the trigger soon. Just trying to figure out my options to fill it as this would be my first PCP and I am starting from scratch. I have some scuba buddies that might be able to hook me up with a tank and then will have to get the connector, maybe a pump also? I would hate to order the gun without a means to fill it first, that would be torture to have it sitting there begging to be shot with no air source. :)
Travis
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Very cool info, I am thinking that will be the gun I get also and will probably pull the trigger soon. Just trying to figure out my options to fill it as this would be my first PCP and I am starting from scratch. I have some scuba buddies that might be able to hook me up with a tank and then will have to get the connector, maybe a pump also? I would hate to order the gun without a means to fill it first, that would be torture to have it sitting there begging to be shot with no air source. :)
Travis
I highly suggest you order a foster fill fitting for any Korean guns' air reservoir. The Korean fittings can be a real pain at times for many (myself included).
I would not waste much time with regular 3000psi scuba tanks.....very limited number of fills with those. If you go the tank route, buy the largest capacity 4500psi Carbon Fiber S.C.B.A. tank you can find just as soon as you find a place local to you that will fill that large of a tank at that high of a pressure.
I have predominantly relied upon a HillPump to manually air-up my bigbores' reservoir......HillPumps are great for back-up, and topping-off low fills as well so a HillPump is always nice to have unless you are on the lighter side in weight. I think I heard that the FX pump is easier to pump, therefore better for people weighing under 150lbs.
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Good to know, I am researching the pumps and tanks now.
Thanks for sharing.
Travis