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Airguns by Make and Model => Diana Airguns => Topic started by: jusanothajoe on January 30, 2021, 08:18:26 PM
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Anyone tried one yet ?
I'm thinking about trying one in .22, I'm a tried and true HW guy, and I don't have a .22 springer.
I might try one of these and even try tuning it myself ?
All my springers are tuned, but never tuned one myself.
Would like to hear from anyone that has one.
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I don't have the EMS version of the 34, just the "normal" ones. If the EMS comes apart like the rest of the Diana rifles, and I've no reason to believe it does not, if you have a spring compressor the rest is a "piece of cake". There are simpler rifles out there, but not by much.
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Likely to be a bit different since you're supposed to be able to convert it to a gas ram. Means no rod in the piston and an updated trigger pack made to work with a rifle that style, but should still be an easy teardown and tune.
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Anyone tried one yet ?
I'm thinking about trying one in .22, I'm a tried and true HW guy, and I don't have a .22 springer.
I might try one of these and even try tuning it myself ?
All my springers are tuned, but never tuned one myself.
Would like to hear from anyone that has one.
Please do! My 340 N-tec is a joy to shoot. If the 34EMS is similar it is a winner. I hope it sells.
-Y
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I'll confess, I went to the Pyramyd site to check out the Diana 34 EMS. I came away with a few observations. The first is that since it can use either a coil spring or a gas spring it is probably most similar to the 340 NTec with some different features. The trigger group is probably like the NTec trigger group in that it will side latch the piston rather than having a latching rod. You may achieve the same effect with an NTec gun by installing a Diana 34 tune kit with spring and guide. I note the barrel latch mechanism has changed. This one uses a spring loaded wedge as Weihrauch and Crosman do. This would probably preclude use of the new barrel in the older guns. The stock has cut outs in the barrel pivot area, presumably to facilitate barrel changes without removing the stock. Of course this would also allow adjusting the pivot without removing the stock. The Pyramyd website also says the barrel alignment is adjustable but gives no details about how. It does appear to have the same thin plastic butt plate as the prior version of the gun. All in all it appears to be a well thought out package.
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I'm wondering if it's worth HW money.
Had a .177 34 Miestershutz, ok gun, but I never warmed up to it, so I let it go.
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I'm wondering if it's worth HW money.
Had a .177 34 Miestershutz, ok gun, but I never warmed up to it, so I let it go.
I can not tell you how much I like my Diana 340 N-Tec. Yes, I have the fancy stock, but a real joy to shoot. Now I love my HW 50's, but I hunt with the N-tec and the resetable safety is nice.
I often either leave it loaded, but not cocked or cocked and loaded. Never know when a critter will come into range. ;)
-Y
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I been eyeballing a ntec still on the fence on another has tam gun.
Anyway yogi I seen this and got to ask if yours is stamped this way
Due to Diana’s unusual strategy of employing multiple US distributors, you’ll need to be careful about the company you contact if attention is necessary under the gun’s limited lifetime warranty. The 350 N-Tec tested by HAM was supplied by Air Venturi and is sold by Pyramyd Air and Airgun Depot. The distributor name is shown on the side of the compression cylinder.
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/diana-panther-350-n-tec-air-rifle-test-review-22-cal/
I should add any of there good/ bad in the eview you see in yours?
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The misspelling of the warning message emblazoned on the receiver would sure irk me every time I saw it :o
(https://hardairmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/HAM-8-5.jpg)
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Thanks , so I assume the warranty as said would be from the name stamped yours would be blue line where hard airs gun would be air ventury.
So it has to go to the hat vender stamped for coverage?
That's a weird set up if so .
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Looks like a nice rifle overall. They made some welcomed upgrades over the old Mod34, such as the wedge plunger breech lockup. The threaded muzzle and ability to easily remove the plastic front sight housing is also a nice touch.
But they also kept some of the "charm" of the Mod34 with the skinny plank of a stock ;D But, if that kept the price low while allowing some upgrades elsewhere, I'm all for it. It looks nice and slim, and that's nice since a lot of guns these days are getting chunkier.
I'd like to try one, and i'm generally not much of a Diana fan. On paper, I think they did good.
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The misspelling of the warning message emblazoned on the receiver would sure irk me every time I saw it :o
(https://hardairmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/HAM-8-5.jpg)
This leads me to wonder if gun is manufactured in China, as diana has been offshoring product for a while now....
Wayne
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Now a day's who knows . It's like that rws 3500. Built in the usa with german made parts. I brought that up here with a beeman vs hw. The beeman has spanish plant so I wonder if the claim it's german made at hw or 1/2 german assembled from parts elsewhere.
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I been eyeballing a ntec still on the fence on another has tam gun.
Anyway yogi I seen this and got to ask if yours is stamped this way
Due to Diana’s unusual strategy of employing multiple US distributors, you’ll need to be careful about the company you contact if attention is necessary under the gun’s limited lifetime warranty. The 350 N-Tec tested by HAM was supplied by Air Venturi and is sold by Pyramyd Air and Airgun Depot. The distributor name is shown on the side of the compression cylinder.
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/diana-panther-350-n-tec-air-rifle-test-review-22-cal/
I should add any of there good/ bad in the eview you see in yours?
You made me look!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Mine has lettering on the top of Comp tube, DIANA 340 N-Tec. On the side stamped into he metal "made in Germany caliber .22". Nothing else.
It was bought 4-6 years ago.
You do want the Hogsback stock, preferably in walnut! 8) ;)
-Y
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Things change over time.
At one point in time RWS had the exclusive rights to distribute DIANA airguns in the USA.
About 4 years ago, that exclusivity ended and AoA, as well as Air Venturi came on board as "Importers of Record". Last year, the RWS/UMAREX relationship ended definitively. And the Washington State people (Blue Line Global of which Blue Line Solutions is the operative company) , that are handling the firearms side, came on board.
So, from now on, for all NEW purchases, it will be Blue Line, the company to contact.
If you think this is confusing, no problem, the last line says it all:
" . . . or directly from DIANA Germany"
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Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Now a day's who knows . It's like that rws 3500. Built in the usa with german made parts. I brought that up here with a beeman vs hw. The beeman has spanish plant so I wonder if the claim it's german made at hw or 1/2 german assembled from parts elsewhere.
Someone can happily correct me if something has changed since Doc Beeman and his wife retired and sold the company and I haven't seen or read about it somewhere yet (and no doubt they will) but there are 2 Beemans. You can read the details of the Beeman sale here: https://www.beemans.net/the_scoop_on_the_sale_of_beeman.htm (https://www.beemans.net/the_scoop_on_the_sale_of_beeman.htm)
but basically the company was split with one half staying Beeman Precision Airguns which is now down to just the R1 (HW80), R7 (HW30) and R9 (HW95) break barrels which are still made by Weihrauch in Germany. And yep, even those have changed since the new ones come with laser etched gun info instead of the stamped stuff like they used to although you've probably already read plently from the people that aren't real fond of it.
The other half became Beeman Marksman and is everything with the Beeman name on them aka the less expensive Beeman branded rifles and those ones are here: https://beeman.com/ (https://beeman.com/)
where they get their parts from or where the make the guns is anyone's guess but China usually comes up as one.
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Things change over time.
At one point in time RWS had the exclusive rights to distribute DIANA airguns in the USA.
About 4 years ago, that exclusivity ended and AoA, as well as Air Venturi came on board as "Importers of Record". Last year, the RWS/UMAREX relationship ended definitively. And the Washington State people (Blue Line Global of which Blue Line Solutions is the operative company) , that are handling the firearms side, came on board.
So, from now on, for all NEW purchases, it will be Blue Line, the company to contact.
If you think this is confusing, no problem, the last line says it all:
" . . . or directly from DIANA Germany"
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
So if I buy one today with Air Venturi stamped on it I use blue line service?
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Things change over time.
At one point in time RWS had the exclusive rights to distribute DIANA airguns in the USA.
About 4 years ago, that exclusivity ended and AoA, as well as Air Venturi came on board as "Importers of Record". Last year, the RWS/UMAREX relationship ended definitively. And the Washington State people (Blue Line Global of which Blue Line Solutions is the operative company) , that are handling the firearms side, came on board.
So, from now on, for all NEW purchases, it will be Blue Line, the company to contact.
If you think this is confusing, no problem, the last line says it all:
" . . . or directly from DIANA Germany"
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
So if I buy one today with Air Venturi stamped on it I use blue line service?
Lots to look at but don't see the ems. There priced proud to.
http://www.blsolutions.ca/shop/category/firearms-by-brand-diana-air-guns-5?order=list_price+desc (http://www.blsolutions.ca/shop/category/firearms-by-brand-diana-air-guns-5?order=list_price+desc)
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Things change over time.
At one point in time RWS had the exclusive rights to distribute DIANA airguns in the USA.
About 4 years ago, that exclusivity ended and AoA, as well as Air Venturi came on board as "Importers of Record". Last year, the RWS/UMAREX relationship ended definitively. And the Washington State people (Blue Line Global of which Blue Line Solutions is the operative company) , that are handling the firearms side, came on board.
So, from now on, for all NEW purchases, it will be Blue Line, the company to contact.
If you think this is confusing, no problem, the last line says it all:
" . . . or directly from DIANA Germany"
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
Hector, have you shot/held one of the EMS's ? If so, your opinion ?
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The misspelling of the warning message emblazoned on the receiver would sure irk me every time I saw it :o
(https://hardairmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/HAM-8-5.jpg)
Spelling and punctuation errors indicate to me a Chinese influence is apparent.
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I went back to look at the stamp in that hard air mag link I have above to see if the air venturi stamped gun was like that with misspelling
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The misspelling of the warning message emblazoned on the receiver would sure irk me every time I saw it :o
(https://hardairmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/HAM-8-5.jpg)
Spelling and punctuation errors indicate to me a Chinese influence is apparent.
Uh Oh.........Dan if you read some of my posts, you might just think I am Chinese :o
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The misspelling of the warning message emblazoned on the receiver would sure irk me every time I saw it :o
(https://hardairmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/HAM-8-5.jpg)
Spelling and punctuation errors indicate to me a Chinese influence is apparent.
Uh Oh.........Dan if you read some of my posts, you might just think I am Chinese :o
Lol... I spell check this forums spell check till I'm sick of chasing it sometimes. It can just change whole sentences to gibberish.
Gamo to vamo ( changed vamo to camp ). And on and on.
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I did not notice before, but the riveted scope rail is gone. It is now machined directly into the compression tube. Diana did this briefly about 1975, using the riveted platform rail before and after. The Blue Line url volunteered by A Moron says their products are only available in Canada. They're a large company so they must have representation elsewhere for purchases south of the border.
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The misspelling of the warning message emblazoned on the receiver would sure irk me every time I saw it :o
I would get a kick out of owning a rifle with that many spelling errors if it shot good.
What bugs me about the EMS is how it's advertised for ease of swapping barrels and power plants, but no one actually sells these swappable parts.
I'd be interested in .22K, but all I see for sale is RWS34 reboots.
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If anyone offered me $1000 to tell them what was written on any of my airguns, I would be a poor man. :-\
It just doesn't matter to me at all.
What matters is that they shoot tiny groups in paper and will hit a squirrel in the noggin. 8)
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Regardless of where it's made, if they couldn't have been bothered to check the spelling of stuff plastered on the OUTSIDE of the gun, how much attention would they pay to what's inside, that no one could see before they bought it?
Spelling errors are a minor thing that can be overlooked, but they do give the impression of carelessness and lack of quality control.
Plus, as mentioned, it makes it look cheap and Chinese whether it's so or not. And for me that's a BIG strike when there are others priced similarly that are proven, like the HW95.
Just my take.
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If anyone offered me $1000 to tell them what was written on any of my airguns, I would be a poor man. :-\
It just doesn't matter to me at all.
What matters is that they shoot tiny groups in paper and will hit a squirrel in the noggin. 8)
You know, I had to look closely at my 340 N-tec. The marking never really registered. I am much more concerned with what the stock looks like. If I am going to be superficial. ;) :-\
-Y
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Regardless of where it's made, if they couldn't have been bothered to check the spelling of stuff plastered on the OUTSIDE of the gun, how much attention would they pay to what's inside, that no one could see before they bought it?
Spelling errors are a minor thing that can be overlooked, but they do give the impression of carelessness and lack of quality control.
Plus, as mentioned, it makes it look cheap and Chinese whether it's so or not. And for me that's a BIG strike when there are others priced similarly that are proven, like the HW95.
Just my take.
I agree with you. When I went through my bachelors at university that was apart of our training in the after treatment of objects and into packaging. As the professor explained if someone's first encounter with your work is poorly done packaging, what will they think of your work? Attention to detail matters at all levels especially when you're selling something that would be considered a premium product.
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I did not notice before, but the riveted scope rail is gone. It is now machined directly into the compression tube. Diana did this briefly about 1975, using the riveted platform rail before and after. The Blue Line url volunteered by A Moron says their products are only available in Canada. They're a large company so they must have representation elsewhere for purchases south of the border.
Hector did say new guns will just be blue line stamped .
The one I posted above was reviewed in 2020. Air century stamped.
Good catch on that rail deal I did not notice that as well , but I guess I would mount something like gamos recoil reducing scope tail and let something like that take any recoil damage like from the scope stop pin wallering out the hole in the gun itself (opinion)
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Derrek, im just getting back into airguns after a a few years haitus. The diana 34 is a very solid platform. My .22 cal 34 is an older 07’ T-05 triggered model with the built on scope rail. Before I faded out of the hobby, the T-06 trigger was just coming into production as well as the Chinese outsourcing 12 land/8 land rifling episode. I’m not sure if Diana is outsourcing the line to China, but if you keep an eye out on the various airgun forums and classified/auction sites, they do come up for sale once in a while. Something about swapping barrels sends a red flag up to me. The 34 was my very first German made rifle and one I doubt will ever leave my stable. More importantly, your choosing it in .22 is imho the best avenue to take with this gun. A more efficient use of the power plant and makes for a great afternoon of hunting afield, target work if sharpening your skills, and my fav activity, +30 yard plinking tin cans and shotgun hulls!! You cant go wrong with the 34, and I will be looking forward to hearing about your experience once you get one in Your hands. Tuning is a breeze and well worth the effort. Best of Luck!!!
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Regardless of where it's made, if they couldn't have been bothered to check the spelling of stuff plastered on the OUTSIDE of the gun, how much attention would they pay to what's inside, that no one could see before they bought it?
Spelling errors are a minor thing that can be overlooked, but they do give the impression of carelessness and lack of quality control.
Plus, as mentioned, it makes it look cheap and Chinese whether it's so or not. And for me that's a BIG strike when there are others priced similarly that are proven, like the HW95.
Just my take.
This is what is making me think, the EMS is close to HW money, and I know what I'm getting with them.
Although HW guns are less than stellar to me before a tune, after a tune, not a better springer IMHO.
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GrandPa used to say that "The mule was not born ornery; she had been made so by the whip"
Believe me I understand you all, but I never argue with reality.
I received an EMail from a dear friend alerting me to the fact that Blue Line Solutions LLC is a US based security company
That Blue Line Solutions Canada ONLY sells to Canada
And that my note about Blue Line GLOBAL as the Importer of Record had confused "AMoron" endelessly.
Problem with Internet is that there is TOO MUCH information, out of which, only about 35% is "verifiable" (data from the "Society of Professional Journalists"), and then the future is still even more somber because some research has shown that we tend to look for news with slants that reflect our preferences or beliefs (Pew Research) so that we do not REALLY care what is true and what is fake, we want to read what we want to read.
So, let's try to put some clarity in all this mess.
This was my reply to my friend:
" . . .
As I posted, the exclusive importer now is Blue Line Global: http://blueline.global/usa/ (http://blueline.global/usa/)
Of which an operative company (the one that sells to Canada) is Blue Line solutions : http://www.blsolutions.ca/ (http://www.blsolutions.ca/)
If you open their catalog on page 36:
https://en.calameo.com/read/00580373711cf5ae7f4c8 (https://en.calameo.com/read/00580373711cf5ae7f4c8)
You will see the DIANA catalog.
Now, AS USUAL, ALL GUNS SOLD BY THE SPECIFIC IMPORTERS OF RECORD ARE TO BE SERVICED BY EACH ONE OF THEM.
So, look at your papers and act accordingly. If the gun was imported by Air Venturi, then go to Air Venturi, if it was imported by AoA, then go to AoA. If it was imported by UMAREX, then go to UMAREX. If it was imported by Blue Line Global (or Blue Line Solutions CANADA), then go to THEM.
The US company Blue Line Solutions LLC has nothing to do with the other companies.
HTH
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In response to the question whether I have shot one and my opinion, the answer is yes: I've been shooting prototypes and pre-production models since 2018.
There's some misinformation in the reviews so far published, and I am preparing a complete Blog entry that will incorporate some tests done almost 2 years ago but that I feel are still valid as the barrel attachment method did not change after that revision.
In my tests, the 34 EMS has demonstrated reliability, flexibility, and adaptability.
As a matter of fact: I am about to deliver my first one to an end user.
Is it perfect? Nope!
LOL!
And before you throw your arms up in the air, I would like to remind you all of my answer to the question about the 0.20" being the perfect caliber.
To save you the time to look for it, I will repeat here the essence:
"Perfect is as perfect does", and that depends on what YOU want the gun to do.
The EMS is JUST A PLATFORM, a PHILOSOPHY, that will allow YOU to create what is perfect for YOU. You may be as common as "Joe Average", or as unique as Forrest Gump. We do not care, we are trying to put into shooter's hands the possibility to create the gun they want. Of course, we are starting with the break barrels, but if the market understands this, we will go on with the side levers.
The system, like any system, is subject to human interaction. Pa would say that "Every time I come up with a fool-proof system, someone comes up with a better fool", so we are prepared for some "teething problems" with shooters that do not bother to read detailed instructions, or follow specific guidance. We accept that as par for the course.
But we are prepared to stick it out with those users that are truly well intentioned in their search for THEIR "perfect" gun.
Also, as with ANY system, it has a phasing-in calendar. You need to put the platform out, then start with some accessories, and keep adding them. This happens even in the automotive industry when new models sometimes need parts that are not available yet as parts. So, be patient, the best is yet to come.
I will point out to DIANA the mis-spelling and the missing word (it's not an extra space). It's not that the gun is made in China, it is that the average German is not a native English speaker and this lasering had to be prepared in 15 different languages/alphabets.
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Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Naturally Hector offers his somewhat apologetic view on the mispelling (spelling?) debacle.
When I get a new gun, I go over it and take note of what I find, good and bad. While a seriously mis-spelled text on a gun, or most other devices, does not affect function, it does send a strong message of sloppiness. Also, it's not going to go away like a faulty piston seal, but reminds of itself to eternity.
An international company with some 130 years of doing business cannot and should not appeal to the foreign language skills of average Germans. I sure as *(&^ expect they aren't using some random German people crafting their merchandise, after all.
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Hmmm, so far I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about the EMS.
I really wanted to hear that the EMS was an improved version of the 34, not just you can swap barrels etc.
For the record, I'm not considering this gun for it's flexibility, or adaptability, I want a smooth, accurate .22 springer.
I won't be swapping anything, will shoot this gun as is from now on, with the exception I will tune, and may add a moderator.
The only reason I considered something besides an HW, is because I have owned two .22 HW guns and I never got the accuracy I get with my .177's or .20's, so I was willing to try the EMS.
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Hmmm, so far I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about the EMS.
I really wanted to hear that the EMS was an improved version of the 34, not just you can swap barrels etc.
For the record, I'm not considering this gun for it's flexibility, or adaptability, I want a smooth, accurate .22 springer.
I won't be swapping anything, will shoot this gun as is from now on, with the exception I will tune, and may add a moderator.
The only reason I considered something besides an HW, is because I have owned two .22 HW guns and I never got the accuracy I get with my .177's or .20's, so I was willing to try the EMS.
Glad to see someone else not denying the poor barrels on .22 Weihrauchs. Had a bunch, none were any good.
I'd like to have a decent .22 springer myself, but haven't made it enough of a priority yet, lol. I'm pretty happy hunting with my .177 junkers for now ;D
A Mod48 in .22 running at around 16fpe is a very nice shooting rifle, and easy to mount a sling to for hunting. They are shaped like planks but balance very well.
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Hmmm, so far I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about the EMS.
I really wanted to hear that the EMS was an improved version of the 34, not just you can swap barrels etc.
For the record, I'm not considering this gun for it's flexibility, or adaptability, I want a smooth, accurate .22 springer.
I won't be swapping anything, will shoot this gun as is from now on, with the exception I will tune, and may add a moderator.
The only reason I considered something besides an HW, is because I have owned two .22 HW guns and I never got the accuracy I get with my .177's or .20's, so I was willing to try the EMS.
Glad to see someone else not denying the poor barrels on .22 Weihrauchs. Had a bunch, none were any good.
I'd like to have a decent .22 springer myself, but haven't made it enough of a priority yet, lol. I'm pretty happy hunting with my .177 junkers for now ;D
A Mod48 in .22 running at around 16fpe is a very nice shooting rifle, and easy to mount a sling to for hunting. They are shaped like planks but balance very well.
I had a .22 HW85 that was temperature sensitive, in the summer when I brought it out of the AC it would group for a few minutes then start moving POI, after about an hour shooting at 18 yards it would have moved up and inch and left an inch.
Winter time when I brought it out of the heat, it would move down and right :o
Never did figure out what was going on.
Gave buyer full discloser before he bought it.
My father in Law has a .22 97K that shoots very good, but I want something a little lighter.
D48 is not for me, the side cocking, yuck.
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Guess I'm crazy lucky then on the HW95 .22 barrel lottery. Bought mine during the AOA $299.99 sale. Brand new out of the box, no mods, not tuned, no trigger tweaks. Shot about 50, mounted a Hawke Airmax 3-9x40 scope, got dialed in and shot this......
Shoots Air Arms Falcons even better and when I'm having a good day it will park 5 under a dime at 25 yards and 5 under a nickel when I'm off a bit which is more often than not...lol.
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Here is my 34 with a mess of BT’s. Great air rifle everyone should have in their collection.
Been a while since i posted pictures so bear with me. 😁
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Hmmm, so far I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about the EMS.
I really wanted to hear that the EMS was an improved version of the 34, not just you can swap barrels etc.
For the record, I'm not considering this gun for it's flexibility, or adaptability, I want a smooth, accurate .22 springer.
I won't be swapping anything, will shoot this gun as is from now on, with the exception I will tune, and may add a moderator.
The only reason I considered something besides an HW, is because I have owned two .22 HW guns and I never got the accuracy I get with my .177's or .20's, so I was willing to try the EMS.
Derrek,
With the EMS system you want the gas spring not the coil spring. Gas springs have a snappier shot cycle, do not fatigue if left cocked, are less temperature sensitive, have linear cocking effort.
-Y
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Derrek just get a Hw95k in 22 and kit it. When you are ready I'll walk you through the tune. Easy peasy. My 177 95 shoots very well in (same POI) all reasonable temps. Not sure what the deal is with your 85.
I'm considering buying a Hw95 Luxus in 22 myself
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Guess I'm crazy lucky then on the HW95 .22 barrel lottery. Bought mine during the AOA $299.99 sale. Brand new out of the box, no mods, not tuned, no trigger tweaks. Shot about 50, mounted a Hawke Airmax 3-9x40 scope, got dialed in and shot this......
Shoots Air Arms Falcons even better and when I'm having a good day it will park 5 under a dime at 25 yards and 5 under a nickel when I'm off a bit which is more often than not...lol.
Those are good groups, you got me leaning towards the 95.
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Derrek just get a Hw95k in 22 and kit it. When you are ready I'll walk you through the tune. Easy peasy. My 177 95 shoots very well in (same POI) all reasonable temps. Not sure what the deal is with your 85.
I'm considering buying a Hw95 Luxus in 22 myself
Thats the way I'm leaning.
My .177 R9 is money, every time all the time.
I may take you up on that !
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Derrek just get a Hw95k in 22 and kit it. When you are ready I'll walk you through the tune. Easy peasy. My 177 95 shoots very well in (same POI) all reasonable temps. Not sure what the deal is with your 85.
I'm considering buying a Hw95 Luxus in 22 myself
I have a 95L in .177 and am getting ready to turn it into a .22 95K. I have the barrel and a weihrauch moderator, I hope it will be what I expect it to be. I have a JM kit to install as well, I hope to do this in the next couple of weeks.
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Hmmm, so far I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about the EMS.
I really wanted to hear that the EMS was an improved version of the 34, not just you can swap barrels etc.
For the record, I'm not considering this gun for it's flexibility, or adaptability, I want a smooth, accurate .22 springer.
I won't be swapping anything, will shoot this gun as is from now on, with the exception I will tune, and may add a moderator.
The only reason I considered something besides an HW, is because I have owned two .22 HW guns and I never got the accuracy I get with my .177's or .20's, so I was willing to try the EMS.
Derrek,
With the EMS system you want the gas spring not the coil spring. Gas springs have a snappier shot cycle, do not fatigue if left cocked, are less temperature sensitive, have linear cocking effort.
-Y
To be fair, a GOOD coil spring gun is not temp sensitive, and doesn't fatigue if left cocked all day. The temp sensitive thing comes when they have too tight seals (which can also affect gas rams) and they are packed full of too much, too-thick lube.
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Well no HW95/R9's in stock anywhere. :(
I'll wait and think about my options.
Waiting................I am no good at that.
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Hmmm, so far I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about the EMS.
I really wanted to hear that the EMS was an improved version of the 34, not just you can swap barrels etc.
For the record, I'm not considering this gun for it's flexibility, or adaptability, I want a smooth, accurate .22 springer.
I won't be swapping anything, will shoot this gun as is from now on, with the exception I will tune, and may add a moderator.
The only reason I considered something besides an HW, is because I have owned two .22 HW guns and I never got the accuracy I get with my .177's or .20's, so I was willing to try the EMS.
Well, "improved" it is, just not obvious nor visible.
But let's dissect your message:
"Not swapping anything" and then "I will tune and may add a moderator". Hmmmm...
The 34 is an improved version MAINLY in two things that make it stand head and shoulders above the 95:
1.- The barrel is not "press-fit" into the breech block. When you clean the barrel you get the initial resistance of the pellet skirt, then the skirt gets swaged down to the grooves, the head gets swaged down to the rifling and it is exactly the same very light resistance all along the barrel till you get to the choke. No tight spots. Try that with any other breakbarrel.
2.- The cocking linkage is now a compound linkage, so that cocking effort is lower than it is in the "normal" 34 or 340. That makes for more pleasant shooting which should translate into more shooting, more practice and more practical accuracy in the field.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/450x600q90/923/Y5z3m3.jpg)
You want to "tune it", well you have three completely different tunes to look into:
a) Change the powerplant to NTec, this will drive the power up to the 20 ft-lbs region while keeping the accuracy. Parts to do that are available as spares for the 340 NTec right now.
b) Change the guide to an ABP (Anti-Bounce Piston) unit, get the same efficiency as the coil-spring'ed guns with the shot cycle "deadness" of a gas spring
c) Simply drop in any of the DIANA 34 aftermarket springs that are made for the OEM guide and be done with it.
"May add a moderator"
The 34 EMS comes with the 1/2"X20 UNF almost universal thread for the muzzle device of your choice, you have available from mods that add length and mass to the barrel to mods that use the Reflex architecture and do not add more than 2" to the OAL and less than 4 Oz to the OAW.
A much more practical field system.
I just packed the first one to be delivered from here, I followed the barrel "running in" process that we have as standard, these are the 10 first cleanings (1 shot-CLEAN, 1 shot-CLEAN, etc):
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/923/u2dXcS.jpg)
As the shots went by the gun started to settle and after shot 25 we shot some groups (shots 26-30 and shots 31-35), offhand, 10 meters, factory sights (sorry I pulled shot #35, but I was getting tired):
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/RhJ9vi.jpg)
I got the trigger tuned in less than 5 shots to the point where there is ABSOLUTELY NO CREEP. The weight will have to be tuned by the end user, but the crispness is far better than any other airgun trigger out there.
And the trigger is the single most important factor in the shootability of an airgun.
There are more things, about the EMS, but you have stated for the record, that you are not interested in them.
Still the points mentioned should tell you that this is "Not just another 34"
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Well this new 34 seems like it checks off a lot of boxes for me. Problem is I have too much stuff now. Just have to sell some more carpenter tools.
Mitch
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Hmmm, so far I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about the EMS.
I really wanted to hear that the EMS was an improved version of the 34, not just you can swap barrels etc.
For the record, I'm not considering this gun for it's flexibility, or adaptability, I want a smooth, accurate .22 springer.
I won't be swapping anything, will shoot this gun as is from now on, with the exception I will tune, and may add a moderator.
The only reason I considered something besides an HW, is because I have owned two .22 HW guns and I never got the accuracy I get with my .177's or .20's, so I was willing to try the EMS.
Well, "improved" it is, just not obvious nor visible.
But let's dissect your message:
"Not swapping anything" and then "I will tune and may add a moderator". Hmmmm...
The 34 is an improved version MAINLY in two things that make it stand head and shoulders above the 95:
1.- The barrel is not "press-fit" into the breech block. When you clean the barrel you get the initial resistance of the pellet skirt, then the skirt gets swaged down to the grooves, the head gets swaged down to the rifling and it is exactly the same very light resistance all along the barrel till you get to the choke. No tight spots. Try that with any other breakbarrel.
2.- The cocking linkage is now a compound linkage, so that cocking effort is lower than it is in the "normal" 34 or 340. That makes for more pleasant shooting which should translate into more shooting, more practice and more practical accuracy in the field.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/450x600q90/923/Y5z3m3.jpg)
You want to "tune it", well you have three completely different tunes to look into:
a) Change the powerplant to NTec, this will drive the power up to the 20 ft-lbs region while keeping the accuracy. Parts to do that are available as spares for the 340 NTec right now.
b) Change the guide to an ABP (Anti-Bounce Piston) unit, get the same efficiency as the coil-spring'ed guns with the shot cycle "deadness" of a gas spring
c) Simply drop in any of the DIANA 34 aftermarket springs that are made for the OEM guide and be done with it.
"May add a moderator"
The 34 EMS comes with the 1/2"X20 UNF almost universal thread for the muzzle device of your choice, you have available from mods that add length and mass to the barrel to mods that use the Reflex architecture and do not add more than 2" to the OAL and less than 4 Oz to the OAW.
A much more practical field system.
I just packed the first one to be delivered from here, I followed the barrel "running in" process that we have as standard, these are the 10 first cleanings (1 shot-CLEAN, 1 shot-CLEAN, etc):
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/923/u2dXcS.jpg)
As the shots went by the gun started to settle and after shot 25 we shot some groups (shots 26-30 and shots 31-35), offhand, 10 meters, factory sights (sorry I pulled shot #35, but I was getting tired):
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/RhJ9vi.jpg)
I got the trigger tuned in less than 5 shots to the point where there is ABSOLUTELY NO CREEP. The weight will have to be tuned by the end user, but the crispness is far better than any other airgun trigger out there.
And the trigger is the single most important factor in the shootability of an airgun.
There are more things, about the EMS, but you have stated for the record, that you are not interested in them.
Still the points mentioned should tell you that this is "Not just another 34"
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
Thanks Hector, this was VERY helpful.
Yes, I thought about how it sounded when I said I won't be swapping anything, then saying I will tune it.
I'm not interested in swapping barrels, or in a gas piston is what I really meant.
When you say you "packed the first one to be delivered from here" Do you sell them ?
Do you happen to have chrony numbers for a .22 ? Thanks
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Hmmm, so far I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about the EMS.
I really wanted to hear that the EMS was an improved version of the 34, not just you can swap barrels etc.
For the record, I'm not considering this gun for it's flexibility, or adaptability, I want a smooth, accurate .22 springer.
I won't be swapping anything, will shoot this gun as is from now on, with the exception I will tune, and may add a moderator.
The only reason I considered something besides an HW, is because I have owned two .22 HW guns and I never got the accuracy I get with my .177's or .20's, so I was willing to try the EMS.
Well, "improved" it is, just not obvious nor visible.
But let's dissect your message:
"Not swapping anything" and then "I will tune and may add a moderator". Hmmmm...
The 34 is an improved version MAINLY in two things that make it stand head and shoulders above the 95:
1.- The barrel is not "press-fit" into the breech block. When you clean the barrel you get the initial resistance of the pellet skirt, then the skirt gets swaged down to the grooves, the head gets swaged down to the rifling and it is exactly the same very light resistance all along the barrel till you get to the choke. No tight spots. Try that with any other breakbarrel.
2.- The cocking linkage is now a compound linkage, so that cocking effort is lower than it is in the "normal" 34 or 340. That makes for more pleasant shooting which should translate into more shooting, more practice and more practical accuracy in the field.
You want to "tune it", well you have three completely different tunes to look into:
a) Change the powerplant to NTec, this will drive the power up to the 20 ft-lbs region while keeping the accuracy. Parts to do that are available as spares for the 340 NTec right now.
b) Change the guide to an ABP (Anti-Bounce Piston) unit, get the same efficiency as the coil-spring'ed guns with the shot cycle "deadness" of a gas spring
c) Simply drop in any of the DIANA 34 aftermarket springs that are made for the OEM guide and be done with it.
"May add a moderator"
The 34 EMS comes with the 1/2"X20 UNF almost universal thread for the muzzle device of your choice, you have available from mods that add length and mass to the barrel to mods that use the Reflex architecture and do not add more than 2" to the OAL and less than 4 Oz to the OAW.
A much more practical field system.
I just packed the first one to be delivered from here, I followed the barrel "running in" process that we have as standard, these are the 10 first cleanings (1 shot-CLEAN, 1 shot-CLEAN, etc):
As the shots went by the gun started to settle and after shot 25 we shot some groups (shots 26-30 and shots 31-35), offhand, 10 meters, factory sights (sorry I pulled shot #35, but I was getting tired):
I got the trigger tuned in less than 5 shots to the point where there is ABSOLUTELY NO CREEP. The weight will have to be tuned by the end user, but the crispness is far better than any other airgun trigger out there.
And the trigger is the single most important factor in the shootability of an airgun.
There are more things, about the EMS, but you have stated for the record, that you are not interested in them.
Still the points mentioned should tell you that this is "Not just another 34"
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
I keep looking and reading and it's always the barrel swapping part I tend to stop at. So am I reading right in that, since the barrel isn't a press fit, you basically loosen a couple grub screws, slide one barrel out, slide the other in, tighten those grub screws and off you go or are you changing the whole block/barrel/cocking arm assembly to switch calibers??
Like Derrek, I'm also interested in the what kind of numbers are being gotten over a chrony with real lead pellets.
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Steve,
My understand is that you just loosed a few grub screws and remove the barrel that has an indexed flat spot. Insert new barrel into breech block with the flat spot in the same orientation and tighten'r up.
I would assume the performance is equal to or faster than current D 34. I'm curious what can be done to the piston and trigger?
-Y
Plus, If you want to shoot at 100 yards you can do the opposite of barrel droop and raise the barrel with shims.
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Derreck said: "(Hector)When you say you "packed the first one to be delivered from here" Do you sell them ?
Do you happen to have chrony numbers for a .22 ? Thanks"
I too would be interested in knowing if guns are sold with gas system installed(grandson and oldest son still looking for 20 fpe AG). Thanks Ron
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Sorry for the late reply, but I have been even busier than usual . . .
Derrek & Chemclay.- Yes I do sell them, the advantage of getting one from me is that it will be thoroughly checked before it leaves the workshop.
The NTec gas spring is a really interesting unit, it is FAR more efficient than the traditional Theoben-designed guns, so it needs less cocking force for the same output, and it provides power with shootability. I have placed second in Pyramyd Air's "Gunslinger" two years in a row with an NTec powered 0.20" cal 34. The Gunslynger is a speed - silhouette shooting competition that is shot "Mano a Mano", meaning that you shoot against one guy and the winner advances in the rounds. I am not that fast a shooter, I really credit my results to the shootability of the NTec gas spring. So, while it may not be "in your radar", at some point you MAY want to try it? And then spending $120 (cost of conversion) beats spending $350 - $380 just to try.
;-)
I never test a gun in the chrono before the full "running-in" has taken place, but you can be sure that the guns will deliver 15-16 ft-lbs with mid-weight lead pellets (14 to 16 grs) . With the NTec power plant and the GTO pellets (10.75 grs) you can reach 20 accurate Ft-Lbs.
At present, the gun is not sold with an NTec unit and needs to be converted. Perhaps in the second "long run", but I cannot guarantee it.
SteveP-52 and Yogi.- The barrel is fitted into the breechblock with three devices:
1.- There are "interference fit rings" in the barrel shank
2.- There is a crown nut that pulls the barrel into place and affixes it. There is a special tool to loosen this nut.
3.- The "axle" pin where the block turns has a corresponding cavity in the shank.
No grub screws. No unilateral forces. You NEED to take the block out to change the barrel.
The piston/spring guide can be easily converted into an ABP, the trigger is the fastest trigger currently in production. Just adjust it to your liking and shoot.
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Here’s some more comparative information on the EMS-
https://hardairmagazine.com/buyers-guides/whats-the-best-400-break-barrel-air-rifle/
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Sorry for the late reply, but I have been even busier than usual . . .
Derrek & Chemclay.- Yes I do sell them, the advantage of getting one from me is that it will be thoroughly checked before it leaves the workshop.
The NTec gas spring is a really interesting unit, it is FAR more efficient than the traditional Theoben-designed guns, so it needs less cocking force for the same output, and it provides power with shootability. I have placed second in Pyramyd Air's "Gunslinger" two years in a row with an NTec powered 0.20" cal 34. The Gunslynger is a speed - silhouette shooting competition that is shot "Mano a Mano", meaning that you shoot against one guy and the winner advances in the rounds. I am not that fast a shooter, I really credit my results to the shootability of the NTec gas spring. So, while it may not be "in your radar", at some point you MAY want to try it? And then spending $120 (cost of conversion) beats spending $350 - $380 just to try.
;-)
I never test a gun in the chrono before the full "running-in" has taken place, but you can be sure that the guns will deliver 15-16 ft-lbs with mid-weight lead pellets (14 to 16 grs) . With the NTec power plant and the GTO pellets (10.75 grs) you can reach 20 accurate Ft-Lbs.
At present, the gun is not sold with an NTec unit and needs to be converted. Perhaps in the second "long run", but I cannot guarantee it.
SteveP-52 and Yogi.- The barrel is fitted into the breechblock with three devices:
1.- There are "interference fit rings" in the barrel shank
2.- There is a crown nut that pulls the barrel into place and affixes it. There is a special tool to loosen this nut.
3.- The "axle" pin where the block turns has a corresponding cavity in the shank.
No grub screws. No unilateral forces. You NEED to take the block out to change the barrel.
The piston/spring guide can be easily converted into an ABP, the trigger is the fastest trigger currently in production. Just adjust it to your liking and shoot.
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
Hector,
Can you post a schematic of the piston?
Also, can the barrel be upward sloped with shims? Would help at 100 yards... ::)
Is the stock inletting the same as a regular Diana 34?
Thanks in advance,
-Yogi
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Hector,
Can you post a schematic of the piston?
Also, can the barrel be upward sloped with shims? Would help at 100 yards... ::)
Is the stock inletting the same as a regular Diana 34?
Thanks in advance,
-Yogi
How much different do you expect the 34 gas piston to be compared to your 340 N-tec?
Ron
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Hector,
Can you post a schematic of the piston?
Also, can the barrel be upward sloped with shims? Would help at 100 yards... ::)
Is the stock inletting the same as a regular Diana 34?
Thanks in advance,
-Yogi
How much different do you expect the 34 gas piston to be compared to your 340 N-tec?
Ron
If the 34 EMS is a joy to shoot like my 340 N-Tec, I'm thinking about getting one. a .177 for FT Hunter class, and a .22 for hunting.
Beware the man with one gun....yea, I like that! ;)
-Y
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He's already mentioned the idea of .20 cal barrels , you could potentially have 3 not 2 if he does...and my guess is he's going to since the EMS platform allows for the owner to swap barrels...lol.
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Hector,
Can you post a schematic of the piston?
Also, can the barrel be upward sloped with shims? Would help at 100 yards... ::)
Is the stock inletting the same as a regular Diana 34?
Thanks in advance,
-Yogi
Yogi:
1.- Schematic of piston) Not yet, info will be posted by DIANA in the website. The piston is the same piston as the one used in the NTec guns, and so is the trigger. So, I don't really understand your doubts.
2.- Anti-droop possible.- Yes, shims are not yet released, but they are just shims.
3.- Stock inletting same as the 34.- NO, it is one of the less obvious improvements, let's just say that there is no more "C shaped" bracket to hold the stock at the front.
HTH
HM
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How much different do you expect the 34 gas piston to be compared to your 340 N-tec?
Ron
Ron,
Problem is that there are TWO pistons in an NTec gun:
The piston inside the gas spring
The compression piston of the airgun itself.
The NTec unit is the NTec unit, and the piston is the same for both models NTec and EMS.
What the EMS has, that the NTec doesn't have is the compound linkage.
HTH
HM
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If the 34 EMS is a joy to shoot like my 340 N-Tec, I'm thinking about getting one. a .177 for FT Hunter class, and a .22 for hunting.
Beware the man with one gun....yea, I like that! ;)
-Y
The 34EMS in the Classic stock is a bit lighter than the 340 NTec, so you do need to take this into account.
It takes LESS effort to cock, but it weighs less.
Nothing that a custom stock won't cure, ROFL!
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Hector,
Can you speak about the synthetic stock EMS? According to the specs on PA, the synthetic stock EMS is actually heavier than the beech option *and* has some adjustability. It's just a shame it's so ugly. :) but if there is some solidity and heft to it, it might be a step up from most other synthetics. Most of them I have owned, I fill with expanding foam to deaden them.
Thank you.
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If the 34 EMS is a joy to shoot like my 340 N-Tec, I'm thinking about getting one. a .177 for FT Hunter class, and a .22 for hunting.
Beware the man with one gun....yea, I like that! ;)
-Y
The 34EMS in the Classic stock is a bit lighter than the 340 NTec, so you do need to take this into account.
It takes LESS effort to cock, but it weighs less.
Nothing that a custom stock won't cure, ROFL!
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
Hector funny you should mention custom stocks. I just e-mailed Custom Stocks in the UK. They said that they do not have inletting for any Diana models.
CS stocks seem about the cheapest semi-custom stocks around. Unless, OEM hogsback stocks become available in walnut. I think some EMS buys would want an "affordable" nice stock.
I do not know if CS uses a Cad-Cam file or a blank?
-Y
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Hector,
Can you speak about the synthetic stock EMS? According to the specs on PA, the synthetic stock EMS is actually heavier than the beech option *and* has some adjustability. It's just a shame it's so ugly. :) but if there is some solidity and heft to it, it might be a step up from most other synthetics. Most of them I have owned, I fill with expanding foam to deaden them.
Thank you.
Jeff;
There are three "problems" to Synthetic stocks:
1.- They are NOT TRULY WEATHERPROOF. Some of them absorb moisture. DIANA spent a number of years waiting for the right polymer to come along, and then the right moulding process. They are better than wood in that sense because they do not WARP, but some of them (not DIANA's) absorb moisture and change their mass/weight, which in a piston airgun creates very peculiar POI changes.
2.- They FLEX. As "illogical" as it may seem, a thin section of wood flexes less than a thin section of synthetics. And airgun stocks have plenty of parts that are thin sections. USUALLY, wood stocks are designed "beefier" and so, in many ways, they are more "rigid".
3.- Because they are hollow, many shooters think they are noisy. That is not completely true, but it is a valid perception, especially for those of us that are "hard of hearing", in MANY cases, as a result of our shooting.
Sound gets transmitted, and amplified, by the hollows in the synthetic stock, which does not happen in a beech one.
DIANA stocks, neither absorb moisture, nor flex. They ARE heavier because we like them to feel solid. They do have large hollow sections because a solid synthetic stock would weigh as much as the whole rifle itself.
WE may think the synthetic stocks look ugly, but the rest of the world perceives them as "Ergo-Euro design". So, I do not see any room there for a change.
Consider that these are $5,000 to $15,000 guns worldwide:
(https://www.blaser.de/fileadmin/_processed_/8/a/csm_BLA_K95_Ultimate_Leather_links_2280x500px_de91796e1a.jpg)
(https://www.blaser.de/fileadmin/_processed_/f/7/csm_BLA_R8_Ultimate_Leather_gerade_rechts_c5200a2d84.jpg)
See the family resemblance?
AFAIK, this initial synthetic offering is not adjustable. There may be a version that has an adjustable cheek-piece in the future, but AFAIK, this one is not it yet.
One more thing that should be observed when choosing the stock of your 34 EMS:
the wood stock has a hard plastic buttplate.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Thanks Hector! I had looked at this image and assumed that the gap implied that there was some sort of adjustability to the cheek piece (since they had that on the AM03, so why not?). This rifle is a tough call... it has potential and it looks like so many things may be coming - but it might not get the base model off the ground.
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Well, I took the plunge. Should be here tomorrow. Originally I was saving my pennies for a HW95 in .22, but then this came along. $100 less and in stock, so I figured “why not.” I like the fiber optic open sights. Two things I’m interested in is getting a gas piston for it, and possibly a moderator for noise reduction.
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Well, I took the plunge. Should be here tomorrow. Originally I was saving my pennies for a HW95 in .22, but then this came along. $100 less and in stock, so I figured “why not.” I like the fiber optic open sights. Two things I’m interested in is getting a gas piston for it, and possibly a moderator for noise reduction.
100 bucks less? Prices I've seen for the EMS were 399.99. Prices for the HW95 are 420.00.
Regardless, interested to see some first hand impressions. Hope you enjoy it!
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$379 at Pyramyd, minus 10% GTA code made it about $340. Biggest factor was that it was in stock. If the HW95 Luxus was in stock ($440) I might have gotten that instead.
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$379 at Pyramyd, minus 10% GTA code made it about $340. Biggest factor was that it was in stock. If the HW95 Luxus was in stock ($440) I might have gotten that instead.
Please give us a report when you get your EMS.
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Thanks Hector! I had looked at this image and assumed that the gap implied that there was some sort of adjustability to the cheek piece (since they had that on the AM03, so why not?). This rifle is a tough call... it has potential and it looks like so many things may be coming - but it might not get the base model off the ground.
The AM03 was a great learning experience for us. It did work up to a point, but it did need some improvements.
When the new PCP's are released, you will see.
;-)
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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$379 at Pyramyd, minus 10% GTA code made it about $340. Biggest factor was that it was in stock. If the HW95 Luxus was in stock ($440) I might have gotten that instead.
Correction. I saw you were after .22.
Not sure what caliber you're after but the Hw95 Luxus in .177 is in stock at AOA. And no tax.
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95-luxus/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95-luxus/)
As is the normal HW95 . https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95/)
No .22 at the moment though.
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Had a little time to play with it, but I need a little more....
So far it’s pretty good, 150 or so pellets through it. Feels good in the hand, well balanced, I like the sights. Obviously harder to cock than my HW30, and even a touch harder than my gamo Swarm Maxim, but I could still see long backyard sessions being easy on the arms. Not as smooth of a cocking stroke as those either. Hopefully that changes as it breaks in. Noise is pretty tame, right in the middle of the other two. So far the HW30 is my fave. I’ll report back on accuracy after I try a couple different pellets.
I don’t have a ton of air guns or experience with them, but I’m getting on board with popping a couple shots out my back door when the mood hits.
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Good!
In a way, it's natural. There is no magic. The power level at the muzzle will dictate a lot of what needs to happen inside the gun.
Once you get the EMS settled in, do adjust the trigger and look for the best pellet. In the end, hunting with airguns is an exercise in precision and accuracy, not power.
Since the Swarm and the EMS yield, in real life, about the same power levels, it will be an interesting contrast.
Keep us posted!
HM
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Had a little time to play with it, but I need a little more....
So far it’s pretty good, 150 or so pellets through it. Feels good in the hand, well balanced, I like the sights. Obviously harder to cock than my HW30, and even a touch harder than my gamo Swarm Maxim, but I could still see long backyard sessions being easy on the arms. Not as smooth of a cocking stroke as those either. Hopefully that changes as it breaks in. Noise is pretty tame, right in the middle of the other two. So far the HW30 is my fave. I’ll report back on accuracy after I try a couple different pellets.
I don’t have a ton of air guns or experience with them, but I’m getting on board with popping a couple shots out my back door when the mood hits.
Could I ask for a picture of the breach,?
One from the top like your looking down the barrel( where you put the pellet in) and one from the side (left). Looks like a screw to maybe service the breach latch?
I do like they got a way from the ball bearing on the hat model (opinion)
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Fast forward today, does anyone have experience with the EMS? If so, how do you like it? (I know I'm reviving an old topic but this seems to be the mega thread for the 34 EMS).
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I also would be interested in reviews, The synthetic stock version in .22 cal is on sale now at PA for $249 w/free shipping. Limited time sale, not sure when it ends.
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The EMS seems like a promising new take on the classic 34. Very few reviews have been out until now however... maybe that'll change?
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Tino;
There are a couple of reasons why you do not see too many reviews, but the main one is that people are too busy shooting them!
;-)
I've shipped 9 of them and almost every shooter has been happy. The exception was a shooter that was convinced that the NTec version would be more efficient. He was disabused real quick.
Others that have asked for NTec versions knowingly, are very happy.
SO, you will have to wait, hopefully with winter setting in, some of them will write something.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Greetings
I purchased the Diana 34 EMS with the thumb hole synthetic stock and when it arrived 2 days ago it was -10 here in the Twin Cities area. When I opened the box I watched it slowly change to a dull white color as the metal started to completely in case its self in ice. All I could do was wait for it to melt and wipe it down as quickly as possible and that's what I did. After seeing it freeze and thaw I knew that it got wet under the wood line (plastic) so as soon as it was warmed up I tried to take the stock off so I could get to the spots under the stock. The 34 EMS in synthetic mounts differently than any other 34 that I have seen. Instead of the two large straight blade screws on either side it has two tiny 3mm allen headed screws that go in at a 45 degree angle. The trouble is that they are very soft and im not sure if they used locktite but those things are not going to back out easily. Has anyone had any luck removing the stock from one of these new versions? Its supposed to be "easy" but would beg to differ. I wish they used bigger fasteners than those dinky little allen heads.
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...it has two tiny 3mm allen headed screws that go in at a 45 degree angle. The trouble is that they are very soft...
Sounds like Diana hired the old UK Webley and BSA engineers for the EMS project!
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Greetings
I purchased the Diana 34 EMS with the thumb hole synthetic stock and when it arrived 2 days ago it was -10 here in the Twin Cities area. When I opened the box I watched it slowly change to a dull white color as the metal started to completely in case its self in ice. All I could do was wait for it to melt and wipe it down as quickly as possible and that's what I did. After seeing it freeze and thaw I knew that it got wet under the wood line (plastic) so as soon as it was warmed up I tried to take the stock off so I could get to the spots under the stock. The 34 EMS in synthetic mounts differently than any other 34 that I have seen. Instead of the two large straight blade screws on either side it has two tiny 3mm allen headed screws that go in at a 45 degree angle. The trouble is that they are very soft and im not sure if they used locktite but those things are not going to back out easily. Has anyone had any luck removing the stock from one of these new versions? Its supposed to be "easy" but would beg to differ. I wish they used bigger fasteners than those dinky little allen heads.
Hmmmmm . . . . you sure you let everything come back to room temperature?
Steel and aluminum have different expansion constants, so a warmer aluminum part inserted into a colder steel part will have a tough time coming out.
Since "warmer" and "colder" are relative terms, it is almost certain that you are experimenting a temp-driven "seizure"
We opted for button headed M5 screws precisely because we wanted to limit the torque users put into the screws.
And, yes, they are not "10.9", nor "12.9" grade screws, we prefer that the screw fails than to allow the action to fail.
Sadly, since some users still think that it has to be as tight as possible and then some more, manufacturers need to put self-limiting points in order to prevent fatal failure.
Yes, I have disassembled and assembled by now more than a dozen, and 7 of them synthetic stocks.
No problem there.
Get a good grade allen wrench (Gorilla grip, or Wiha) and/or , if needed, use an impact screw driver to loosen the bolt, this one has proven useful:
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-bit-impact-screwdriver-set-with-case-64812.html (https://www.harborfreight.com/6-bit-impact-screwdriver-set-with-case-64812.html)
You will need to shim the larger hex to use common ¼" hex bits (again, use good grade bits).
If the head gets deformed, change the bolt, it is M5X0.8X15 coarse thread.
If you are unhappy, you can change those screws for button headed Torx, just use the Metric designation.
Be very careful when assembling the gun because if you are not careful, it is rather easy to "cross-thread" the screws, because they go in at an angle.
This angle allows a much better and consistent "bedding pressure" but it does require care when assembling.
HTH
Keep us posted!
HM
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I waited a few hours until it was room temperature and used a Wera allen key. Since then I stood the rifle near my wood stove for a few hours to ensure what ever moisture was in there is gone now so now it doesn't bother me quite as much. When I tried to back the first one out I made sure I applied pressure and just slowly went at it but started to strip immediately so I stopped. I am considering holding my soldering iron on the screw to heat it up and give it a try but that would only help if its thread locked. But like I mentioned earlier I am sure that what ever moisture condensed on the exterior is now dry so I am fine just letting it be before I do any more damage. Maybe someday I'll give it another shot but since its new and without any defects (besides one screw) I feel I should just leave it. I just put the first 100 pellets threw it and it came out of the box dead on with premier hollow points at 60ft~ so I couldn't be happier with the purchase.
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Yeah, with luck you can shoot the stock screws loose. ;)
-Y
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Yeah, with luck you can shoot the stock screws loose. ;)
-Y
Yogi, you made me spit my coffee!
Pierze, apologies in advance, please, I'm not laughing at you, it's just that Yogi is absolutely correct, the vibrations may eventually loosen that screw.
Good one, Yogi, you just made my day.
Thanks!
HM
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Yeah, with luck you can shoot the stock screws loose. ;)
-Y
Sadly it's not a hw. Mount a scope take 10 shots and pick up screws off ground.. That would be the easy way.. lol