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Airguns by Make and Model => Feinwerkbau => Topic started by: Cslinger on January 14, 2021, 01:36:54 PM
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So I ordered an FWB Sport from Champions Choice Saturday evening. They informed me they are running behind on shipping because well (RONAPOLITICALRIOTAMAGEDDON) :) Which was of course to be expected and dealing with Champions is always a pleasure they are good people.
I got the rifle today. So their apologetic shipping delays are faster then some other vendors normal shipping so big thumbs up. I am not currently in TN so it wasn’t a ship down the street thing.
I will take the time to post a more in depth write up with pictures, as I am fully aware TTIUWP :). But for the moment here are my super quick 10 shot observations out of the box.
-Good packaging, heavy styrofoam inner cocoon.
-The rifle is far handier and lighter then I expected. Think HW95 but feels even more nimble to me.
-The stock is super nice for a beech stock. I am a bit of a Walnut snob when I can be but this is a nice looking and feeling stock.
-Plastic trigger guard looks great, feels great but plastic on a rifle like this....BOOOOO
-Trigger is excellent. Super light take up and a really nice break. It fits in with its higher end contemporaries well.
-Cocking stroke is very easy but she needs. Good WHACK to break the barrel.
-Cocking is a bit rough/crunchy/springy. I expected this. It’s no big deal but when this was a $900 rifle I could totally see the hate. On a $495 rifle it’s fine.
-Lockup is like a bank vault with a very satisfying SNICK sound.
-Safety is VERY NICE and might be my favorite.
-Shot cycle is LIGHTNING FAST, like HW35e only faster at least in feel.
-There is NO spring noise, undue vibration, or odd sounds on firing. I had read that many folks experience some version or another of the above. Mine has none of it. A sharp FAST thunk/Smack And that’s it. Super nice firing cycle.
-Iron sights were on right out of the box. Seems to put pellets where it should. The sights have very nice adjustments.
-Bluing is nice. Not Air Arms nice but nice.
-Mine has some tool marks in the channel in front of the rear sight. I would expect more from FWB.
-Sound signature is a sharp crack a little like the .177 HW35e. It’s not as loud as I was led to believe but it’s not quiet either.
All in all I went into this one with some trepidation as I LOVED its lines on release and even at its original pricing I almost bought, but early reviews of horrible shot cycle combined with the price and beech stock at that price kept me away. At 495 bucks I am SUPER HAPPY with this rifle so far and the only real negative is the spring noise on cocking.
I will put some rounds down the pipe and provide something more in depth when I can.
Take care, shoot safe
Chris
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congrats on your new air arm !! good price too !!
kindly
ron
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On e of the best looking rifles out there. Congrats.
The Sport is on my EOD (every other day) list.
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Good for you, Chris. Now get out and do some shooting. For me, FWB Sport accuracy is the best part.
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Good for you, Chris. Now get out and do some shooting. For me, FWB Sport accuracy is the best part.
What did you use for a scope mount? I'm asking for a friend. ::)
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I can’t speak for North Country Gal but SportsMatch makes a one piece mount with cross pin scope stops for the FWB Sport. They are not cheap though at around $40-$50.
I will be shooting mine with irons for the time being but I have a mount on order only because I have an unused scope sitting around.
Chris
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Ok, let me preface this by saying I have worn glasses all my life, have an astigmatism and have a harder time with leaf sights then apertures, and I am not very skilled. So all that said I have to say I do believe this FWB is a legit shooter.
Here is the first 6 shots out of it into paper for a group.
(https://i.imgur.com/5Q4Byyyh.jpg)
The next groups start to open up but I believe this is LARGELY due to my eyes and skill with the leaf sights(which are excellent leaf sights by the way)
Approx. 15 shots I lost count, somewhere over 10 and under 20.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ivl3xKHh.jpg)
H&N's print a bit high and left but appear to group nicely.
(https://i.imgur.com/CsTYzGEh.jpg)
Just plinking to see if I could hit the dot. 3 shots same hole. I am thrilled. I had to stop and take a picture before I screwed it all up. :D Easier to pick up the sights on pure white paper.
(https://i.imgur.com/LToHLR7h.jpg)
I'm quite happy with the initial shooting of this thing. The trigger in practice is EXCELLENT as is the shot cycle. Honestly is FEELS a little bit more like shooting a .22 rimfire then most airguns do. My biggest complaint so far is the barrel needs a bit of whack to unlatch it but that probably contributes to the wonderful lockup and the wonderful noise it makes when doing so. So far I am quite happy.
Chris
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Congrats Man!!! You're inspired me to follow suit. Very nice groupings. And your overall review sound very promising too me. 👍
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Yes, I used the one piece Sportsmatch with the cross-in on our Sport. If you do use one, be sure to carefully snug up all the bolts, gradually, until good and tight.
Chris, that very much matches my experience with my first shots with the FWB Sport, since those were with the factory open sights. Mine has been very accurate from he very first shot. As far as breaking the barrel, a little grease on the locking latch helps. Don't forget to keep an eye on the bolts for tightness, though mine has been fairly well-behaved in that regard, compared to other new springers.
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Yes, I used the one piece Sportsmatch with the cross-in on our Sport. If you do use one, be sure to carefully snug up all the bolts, gradually, until good and tight.
Chris, that very much matches my experience with my first shots with the FWB Sport, since those were with the factory open sights. Mine has been very accurate from he very first shot. As far as breaking the barrel, a little grease on the locking latch helps. Don't forget to keep an eye on the bolts for tightness, though mine has been fairly well-behaved in that regard, compared to other new springers.
My FWB Sport is forecast to be here by 2100 hrs tomorrow. We'll see what we see? ITMT, I've been enjoying my new peep sighted HW50S.
Way to go, Joanie! When you and John began your praises of the FBW Sport, Champion's Choice had 25 in stock. At last look, they were down to 10. You should get some sort of commission; you enabler, you!
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Kinda jealous of you guys. Mine showed up on Wednesday, but today is the first time I've had a break from work until well after dark. I've got a total of 10 shots through it (will follow Hector's break in procedure), but I'm already really happy with it. No twang, no buzz. Its already been said, but it shoots fast and the feeling is just all around solid. Like burying an axe in a chunk of wood. Just *THUNK*. I haven't opened it up... and at this point I don't really feel the need.
No target pics because I'm sitting cross-legged on the guest bed shooting out my home-office window, and my skill is way below what I think this gun is capable of. Big thanks to Joanie and Motorhead for their reviews/info. I was on the fence between the Sport and an R9 and that put me over the top (besides, can always get an R9 _later_). I'm really glad I went this way.
Edit: OK, I lied. here's a pic. First 10 shots and those orange stickers are 1" diameter. 20 yards, elbow propped on my knee. One of the really low ones was the very first shot and I wasn't sure even where the trigger would break.
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Good shooting.
I am finding mine continues to shoot really well. I am limited by eyes more than anything, but keeping 5-10 shots inside a “Dot” at 19-20 yards is fairly easy with the right target contrast.
I am going to take the time to write up a full review but only after I get a scope on it to see how it does with that.
Couple points from today.
-I did tighten down the stock screws a bit.
-the cocking stroke, although still a pain to break open(I did grease) is much nicer sounding and feeling then out of the box. I can only guess whatever spring lube is distributing itself.
-So far it seems to shoot well with CPHP, Air Arms, H&N FTT to name a few. Nothing I’ve run has been a complete no go (for my purposes anyway.)
-Based on seeing Joanie’s targets, your initial shooting, others and mine (understanding we all have different skill levels etc.) it does seem rifle to rifle they all shoot similarly and that bodes well for quality control.
As I have said I was on the fence with this rifle for a long time and I have to say I am very glad I purchased.
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I got one last week. My experience is same as Chris described. I love it. I had to grease latch points and it opens easy now.
Question......The instructions are nebulous, how do you rotate the rear sight notches?
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I would imagine the rear sight is similar to the HW/Beeman rear sights. Pull the rear site aperture back and turn it to the desired/preferred setting.
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Question......The instructions are nebulous, how do you rotate the rear sight notches?
The 4 position sight blade is held under spring tension pushing from the muzzle direction back towards the shooter so to speak. The easiest way to do it is to take thin bladed screw driver or knife and gently relieve tension on the blade by pushing towards the muzzle. Once a little tension is relieved you will be able to use your fingers to spin the blade. Once the blade is moved slightly out of position keep spinning in that direction until you hear it click into the new position repeat as necessary.
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Mine was delivered at 1329 hrs. today. I fell and hurt my back Wednesday and the wind is howling. I'm learning from y'alls experience. Maybe, I can clean and lube that beauty and shoot a few pellets tomorrow?
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Hope it's nothing serious with your back, Greg.
As for a commission on sales of the FWB, I had no idea my couple of posts would create a mini sales rush. Good heavens.
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Hope it's nothing serious with your back, Greg.
As for a commission on sales of the FWB, I had no idea my couple of posts would create a mini sales rush. Good heavens.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the FWB Sport. I think it is worth every penny. Out of the box, I did not adjust the iron sights and it was dead on. Performance is same as my tuned German breakbarrels.
I am keeping iron sights on this one because they are the BEST I have ever seen on any breakbarrel. Beech stock is very nice. Grease on latch is required. It shoots ALL my test pellets just great.
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I am happier and happier with this thing. Even with just iron sights and an idiot behind the trigger this thing just plain seems to want to shoot. Once again I cannot help but compare it more to a .22LR in shot characteristics. I am kinda shocked at all the bad press this thing got. I have many very nice air rifles and this this shoots at the top the class, especially considering iron sights dead on out of the box and the fact it doesn't have many rounds through it.
Here is a mix of pellets. Not sure if that JSB group was the pellet or just me getting tired/opening up, but needless to say it doesn't appear to be a pellet fussy rifle at all. That hole in the top where the information is is just spall from a pellet piece bouncing out of my hardly ever cleaned trap.
(https://i.imgur.com/ehnOOaUh.jpg)
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Mine was delivered at 1329 hrs. today. I fell and hurt my back Wednesday and the wind is howling. I'm learning from y'alls experience. Maybe, I can clean and lube that beauty and shoot a few pellets tomorrow?
Hope you get back on your feet quickly and that achy sore feeling leaves you quickly. I hope you have as good a luck with your rifle as I seem to be having with mine.
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Latch loosens up after a time, and much easier to open.
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I guess we will chalk those JSB's up to just me. Here is another group of them. They print to the right but seem to group as well.
Also my latch is loosening up.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ahr35I6h.jpg)
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Mine was delivered at 1329 hrs. today. I fell and hurt my back Wednesday and the wind is howling. I'm learning from y'alls experience. Maybe, I can clean and lube that beauty and shoot a few pellets tomorrow?
Hope you get back on your feet quickly and that achy sore feeling leaves you quickly. I hope you have as good a luck with your rifle as I seem to be having with mine.
I'm surely gonna' try tomorrow. Thank you!
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Well, it is tomorrow.
I walked her out to my shop, cleaned the barrel, and oiled and greased her as the manual said. Next, we went to the bench and loaded a CPHP, and fired at one of my spoons dangling in the breeze. I hit it with the first shot! My teaspoons swing free from their connections and are at a measured 25 yards from the bench. My next two shots missed but the fourth sent a spoon spinning. It's a pretty day but 44 degrees in the windy shade is not very comfortable to a soon-to-be (I hope) Octogenarian.
Tomorrow is supposed to be warmer as is Monday. I'll set up the blown down targets and fire various pellets for groups. I have one more Nikon 3-9 EFR that I just might mount on this beauty, we'll see. I think that I do like her open sights, however. Thanks to all for the nice reports. I think I'm in love.
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Good to hear.
I was going to mount a scope before doing a full fledged review but I have decided I like this rifles looks, handling and shooting so much with the irons I think It is going to stay slick topped for the time being.
If anybody is interested I posted a full write up over in the reviews section. Cliff notes, this is a 5 star rifle for me.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182673.new#new (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182673.new#new)
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Nice. Good luck with it.
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......and then there were 5 at Champions. I wonder if they are asking themselves what is going on all of a sudden. :)
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Guilty.
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Good to hear.
I was going to mount a scope before doing a full fledged review but I have decided I like this rifles looks, handling and shooting so much with the irons I think It is going to stay slick topped for the time being.
If anybody is interested I posted a full write up over in the reviews section. Cliff notes, this is a 5 star rifle for me.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182673.new#new (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182673.new#new)
Nice review and write up. I tried shooting mine this afternoon and it was a chilly delight. I'm gonna' look for the prescribed one piece Sports Match scope mount and install my last Nikon 3-9 EFR on her. This rifle deserves more than my aged eyes trying to zero it.
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For those that were sitting on the fence.... Champions Choice is sold out of $495 FWB Sports.
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For those that were sitting on the fence.... Champions Choice is sold out of $495 FWB Sports.
Amazing! When I first saw John and Joanie's praise of their FWB Sports herein a couple, three weeks ago, Champion's Choice listed 26 in stock. Just amazing!
I got number 14.... :D. Scope mount has been ordered from PA.
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For those that were sitting on the fence.... Champions Choice is sold out of $495 FWB Sports.
Amazing! When I first saw John and Joanie's praise of their FWB Sports herein a couple, three weeks ago, Champion's Choice listed 26 in stock. Just amazing!
I got number 14.... :D. Scope mount has been ordered from PA.
Congrats Greg, you pulled the trigger on a great rifle! Been watching these since they had 76 in stock. Interesting to see how fast they went at the end.
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Ordered mine on the 16th, 4 left at that time amazing. I have a 124 Sport from 1983 Ill have to do a comparison. Iv wanted one for a while, sold my R9 to get the money, should be here Fri.
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Ordered mine on the 16th, 4 left at that time amazing. I have a 124 Sport from 1983 Ill have to do a comparison. Iv wanted one for a while, sold my R9 to get the money, should be here Fri.
Went to cc’s website to today to show a co worker my new gun and they arent even listed. I guess its one of those “and then there were none” occasions. Glad i bought it when I did. Should be here tomorrow 😁
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Wow, I have to say I am glad I jumped on it when I did.
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Wow, I have to say I am glad I jumped on it when I did.
Joanies' post/message just about talked me out of it, vis a vis, the hard to cock, weight, expense, etc. I'm glad that I had a vision, of sorts, and purchased #14 on CC's remaining list. I've shot a bunch of CPHP's through her, since Friday, and am now awaiting BKL scope mounts B.B. Pelleteri (PA) recommends. Once the Nikon 3-9 EFR scope is mounted, I'll go for 30-yard one-holers with higher-priced AA and JSB pellets.
Thank you, North Country Gal Joanie, for your excellent review! Thank you Fwsbsport John for your comments. Between the two of you, I've purchased my last air rifle in this life....maybe.
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Good for you, Greg. Can't wait to see how you get along with the FWB.
I had ordered a second FWB from Champions. but due to a snafu, my order got delayed and now they're out. Very nice people, though, and I will do business with them, again. The very nice gentleman did tell my that FWB is discontinuing the Sport, so anyone wanting one better grab one while they can.
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Ok last update. I did throw an old scope on the Sport tonight. I have sighter high in the info at the top, a sighter off to the left of the bull in the "8 ring", a sighter in the bull towards the right edge. After getting it sighted with CPHPs it put up the easiest little 5 shout group that is about 2 pellet widths at 19-20 yards. I, personally, cannot ask for much more than that. I have found the gun to be very accurate with the irons and it appears it will be a tack driver with glass.
So final opinion...two thumbs up for the FWB Sport. Thanks to all who pushed me over the edge on this one.
(https://i.imgur.com/NVN3C3nh.jpg)
I think with the right shooter behind the gun at 20-30 yards this is a one slightly larger then pellet sized hole shooter. The CPHP group I screwed up as the shooter, it shoot those much tighter. I pulled a shot noticeable to me with the H&N and JSB's. All in all the gun PLAIN SHOOTS and continues to do so with glass.
(https://i.imgur.com/lSZwpAqh.jpg)
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Good for you, Greg. Can't wait to see how you get along with the FWB.
I had ordered a second FWB from Champions. but due to a snafu, my order got delayed and now they're out. Very nice people, though, and I will do business with them, again. The very nice gentleman did tell my that FWB is discontinuing the Sport, so anyone wanting one better grab one while they can.
I had a feeling this rifle would not last long production wise. I am glad i got mine today. Report to follow this weekend. When i picked it for the first time this evening, i though I was holding an R1!!! Had they produced this gun in .22 only, i think they would have been onto something better. Not nearly as “svelte” as the original. I think Feinwerkbau missed the mark going for a faster .177 gun. Actually the same (for the most part) layout of the original, just bigger and ,...heavier!!!! Do i have any buyers remorse??? Not one bit. Still a great gun although not as refined in some aspects. The fact that it’s run is coming to and end, i think i will keep mine a scopeless back yard heavy plinker. 😁 Anyways, Id hate to marr the finish with mounts or rings.
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Nice report Thomas ;D
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I feared this rifle would be unobtainable by the time I could afford one. I have a rifle on my bucket list that is next up that will take its place. I have been let down several times, but have been blessed several times. C’est la vie~
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Well like most things, scarcity drives up prices. Your dream is still available for $595.
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/feinwerkbau-fwb-sport/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/feinwerkbau-fwb-sport/)
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Well like most things, scarcity drives up prices. Your dream is still available for $595.
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/feinwerkbau-fwb-sport/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/feinwerkbau-fwb-sport/)
Shhhhhhhhhhh! It’s been that price the whole time everyone else was getting them for $495... and actually I wanted one long before all the hubbub happened these past several weeks. It’s just I hit my 2 rifle/12 month limit way too soon. 8)
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Lol, I hear you. I was watching these when Champion dropped them to $570, then omigosh $495! I read up on the FWB all I could and ended up buying a smooth shooting HW35E in .22 instead. Today at my 13 yard indoor range it was making a nice ragged hole with Crosman premiers. Doing better than my FTT’s.
Life maybe short, but it sure is wide!
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Mmmmmmmmm..... FWB Sport arrived last night.
Very elegant looking rifle.
Fit and finish is the best I've personally seen.
The stock has nice grain and stain. Love the chequering.
Cleaned the bore of a fair amount of crud. Dabbed a little moly here and there.
Crappy 10.3 grn pellet in the breach.
Ready, Aim, Fire!
Cocking effort is pretty high, Reminds me of a Hatsan 95.
Shot cycle very quick and decisive. Not a bad thing.
Trigger let off also quick, and crisp, will have to be careful here.
And then........That Last "Around the Universe" chord in all its glory.
Mein Gott in Himmel!
The TWANG!
So loud my mouth fell open and I burst out laughing. It makes my R9 sound like a one year old throwing toilet rolls at a woolly sheep.
Hopefully better things to come with break in.
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That's really interesting. Mine has none of that, and I was really concerned that it would need work. Gotta wonder what the variations in manufacturing tolerances for the spring guides was. I do hope it works out for you, but if it doesn't I'd probably be interested in a second one. :)
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That's really interesting. Mine has none of that, and I was really concerned that it would need work. Gotta wonder what the variations in manufacturing tolerances for the spring guides was. I do hope it works out for you, but if it doesn't I'd probably be interested in a second one. :)
There's no emoji for vulture ;D
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That's really interesting. Mine has none of that, and I was really concerned that it would need work. Gotta wonder what the variations in manufacturing tolerances for the spring guides was. I do hope it works out for you, but if it doesn't I'd probably be interested in a second one. :)
Could also be variation in the spring diameter. Actually, I think it’s more likely that there will be variation in how a spring is wound and set versus how a spring guide is turned/cut or comes out of a mold. End result is the same though, twang and vibration...
-Marty
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Wow. Mine has NO TWANG. Like none. Like it’s abnormally absent ANY twang. A sharp firing noise and that pellet is gone. Very .22lr like. That said Spring noise doesn’t generally bother me.
Cocking effort loosens up. It’s middle of the road cocking effort in my opinion. I don’t think I am too sensitive to cocking effort though until it gets really heavy or has a short lever. That said if I transition from any of the more powerful springers to an HW30/R7 I basically just about tear the barrel off at first. :)
Mine continues to be a tack driver.
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Up date for me on the Sport.
After ordering a second Sport and missing the boat before they ran out with Champions Choice, I placed an order for my second Sport with AoA and just got a notice that it's on the way. Will be using o 2 as an iron sight shooter. That's how I justified it, anyway, but the truth is probably more that I wanted to grab another one while I still can.
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Two is one, one is none. One of my personal life rules. :)
Be interesting to see how similar or different your second will be.
Chris.
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I was very close to Buying a sport a year ago but early testing results from Tom Gaylord and others held me back. ARH made a tighter piston seal for this gun mentioned in link below.
I find it interesting that some are reporting much nicer shot cycles with less or minimal twang. Poor fitting spring guide (loose) was
Identified by Tom.
Did the FWB sport production evolve over time? I think it might be an idea to see if there is a range of serial numbers with worse or better shooting behavior.
Tom Gaylords 2014 review was serial #12400043
Toms review 8 part series
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/11/feinwerkbau-sport-air-rifle-part-8/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/11/feinwerkbau-sport-air-rifle-part-8/)
https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/new-fwb-sport-on-home-page-of-arh/ (https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/new-fwb-sport-on-home-page-of-arh/)
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Mine is 00417
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Serial 000379 for mine. I was wondering about different production batches.
In preparation for getting mine, I bought an ARH seal just in case... but it doesn't seem to be an issue for me.
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I was very close to Buying a sport a year ago but early testing results from Tom Gaylord and others held me back. ARH made a tighter piston seal for this gun mentioned in link below.
I find it interesting that some are reporting much nicer shot cycles with less or minimal twang. Poor fitting spring guide (loose) was
Identified by Tom.
Did the FWB sport production evolve over time? I think it might be an idea to see if there is a range of serial numbers with worse or better shooting behavior.
Tom Gaylords 2014 review was serial #12400043
Toms review 8 part series
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/11/feinwerkbau-sport-air-rifle-part-8/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/11/feinwerkbau-sport-air-rifle-part-8/)
https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/new-fwb-sport-on-home-page-of-arh/ (https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/new-fwb-sport-on-home-page-of-arh/)
I too had put a lot of weight on Tom’s review. Maybe the lack of success for this model can be attributed to bad luck. What if Tom got a good copy, would we all be lavishing praise on FWB?
For certain FWB made a mistake in letting some rifles leave the factory with poor fitted springs and a high price tag. Too many products with great potential fail due to poor execution, case in point the newer Walther LGV - an awesome gun that gained popularity at the end of its life.
Long live the King ;)
-Marty
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It does appear now that earlier models like Tom’s #000043 were not the best that FWB produced.
Happy buyers so far appear to be in the high 300 range or so. Which appears to be the majority of the recent buyers.
Happy for you lucky guys and gals that discovered wonderful copies of this very nice Sports Gun.
Bruce
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Mine is the serial number before you, and by your account and my observations they are totally different. They mystery deepens. I wonder if it's like Marty said and there's variation on the springs... maybe the ends are closed to slightly different diameters and then it's just luck which way yours got installed, but I'm not sure that would cause accuracy issues.
FWIW, I'm shooting H&N FTT 8.64's out of mine. Doubt that will do anything about the twang, but might help the accuracy. Also, if you open it up and need a seal, let me know. I ordered one from JM in a "prepare for the worst" mindset, but it doesn't look like I'm gonna need it.
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I would imagine they produce singular long spring sections and simply cut them to length automatically so I would guess based on that cut location you could very well have a differing end tightness. Totally a guess on my part of course. All I can speak to is mine is right in the same serial realm as everybody else and mine has NO spring noise. My Air Arms ProSport has more spring noise and that’s not exactly a twangy gun.
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Jeff, mine LOVES those FTT 8.64s. Fortunately I keep a good supply on hand since a lot of my HWs like that pellet, too.
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My R9 dotes on H&N FTTs
This morning, in very challenging conditions (7 degrees F, and prob 4 mph breeze) I managed a 5 shot quarter sized group at 25 yards, which is a MAJOR improvement over yesterday. The TWANG has diminished a bit, but certainly not gone.
My vision is like used kitty litter so I'm going to have to scope the gun sooner or later.
Any success with scope rings out there?
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....with JSB Diablo Exacts
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....through the FWB.
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My BKL mounts arrived from PA yesterday. My remaining 3-9 NIKON EFR is ready, and tomorrow, I'll mount the scope and fire for effect with various pellets, IF our two day fog disperses and I can see the targets.
We've lived her some 27 years and I don't recall ever seeing fog like this in the Piney Woods of Texas.
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My BKL mounts arrived from PA yesterday. My remaining 3-9 NIKON EFR is ready, and tomorrow, I'll mount the scope and fire for effect with various pellets, IF our two day fog disperses and I can see the targets.
We've lived her some 27 years and I don't recall ever seeing fog like this in the Piney Woods of Texas.
Which BKL mounts did you buy?
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My BKL mounts arrived from PA yesterday. My remaining 3-9 NIKON EFR is ready, and tomorrow, I'll mount the scope and fire for effect with various pellets, IF our two day fog disperses and I can see the targets.
We've lived her some 27 years and I don't recall ever seeing fog like this in the Piney Woods of Texas.
Which BKL mounts did you buy?
BKL-263H MB recommended by Tom Gaylord of PA. I've got 'em on the gun and they do see over the OEM sights. If the fog lifts, I'll sight her in tomorrow.
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Well, the fog lifted and I shot some pellets with the scoped FWB Sport today. She is sighted in at 30 yards and appears to like the 7.87 gr. AA Diabolo Express best of all.
A curious thing, she appears to need a warm up shot? The first shot goes low and to the left. The next four pretty much go into one ragged hole at the point of aim. I'll have to work on this. 🤔
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Well, the fog lifted and I shot some pellets with the scoped FWB Sport today. She is sighted in at 30 yards and appears to like the 7.87 gr. AA Diabolo Express best of all.
A curious thing, she appears to need a warm up shot? The first shot goes low and to the left. The next four pretty much go into one ragged hole at the point of aim. I'll have to work on this. 🤔
Is it possible that either the piston or spring have some play in them and that when you put her down the parts settle into certain positions that results in the first shot being off? After the first shot the parts might be jarred back into alignment. Just a guess..
-Marty
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Mine is #0406, and honks like a goose!!!! Havent really gotten that warm fuzzy feeling with this new model. There are some highlights and some disappointments with this rifle and it will take some time and work to bring her “up to par” as far as my expectations go with this rifle and where we need to be. Sunday was the first day Ive had to stretch her out and after the first set, i declared I wouldnt waste another pellet until i got the new shop built where I could open it up. But later in the afternoon i picked it back up and made myself flush all the cheapo crosman pellets through it i had on hand. Then went to the old cuda coppers and things have settled down some. I did a “slot tune” earlier in the week so it did smooth out some. I see where Maccarri has a new seal for it but no spring yet. He may not think it worth the time and money to make a production run of springs. But thats just a hunch I have at this time,....for all we know, he may very well be developing a better spring for it. Who knows. I hope so. This rifle has alot of potencial, its just too bad that the factory kinda stumbled out of the gate with it. I will post My initial review in a separate post.
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Missed this:
#12400398
Also, if you open it up and need a seal, let me know. I ordered one from JM in a "prepare for the worst" mindset, but it doesn't look like I'm gonna need it.
Thanks thompsje!
I would take the seal off your hands if you don't need it.
PM or email me with details.
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Thank you Keen. Upon further review, my Sport also prefers the H&N 4.51 FTT. I shot 11 pellets over the chrony today. Nine of the eleven pellets went into a single ragged hole and the other two were a 1/4" away at 25 yards. True velocity was 829 fps, fpe was ~13+ and SD was 12.15.
Color me tickled.
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Thank you Keen. Upon further review, my Sport also prefers the H&N 4.51 FTT. I shot 11 pellets over the chrony today. Nine of the eleven pellets went into a single ragged hole and the other two were a 1/4" away at 25 yards. True velocity was 829 fps, fpe was ~13+ and SD was 12.15.
Color me tickled.
Lovely!
I can't wait to see results like that. Conditions here aren't conducive to shooting at the moment, with the snow and wind and all.
Hopefully in a day or two.
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. my Sport also prefers the H&N 4.51 FTT.
Honestly mine is fairly pellet agnostic. I haven’t found one it won’t shoot fairly well at 20 yards.
I had one of those tins that down to the end and needs to finished out so I just grabbed it and banged away in a simple load, sight, shoot, rinse repeat plinking type fashion. No real fundamentals per say, no real lets shoot for the best group ever etc. Just shooting for fun and to burn up the final shots out of a tin.
Ammo is H&N FTT 4.50 and it just goes round after round after round into the same basic spot with little effort at all. The group below is at least 30 shots probably a few more than that. Probably between 30 and 50 whatever I needed to finish the tin and it is just boringly accurate. Again I can say enough how my particular example shoots very much like a .22LR. This might be the easiest to shoot air rifle I own and that includes the HW30s. Now I am shooting indoors, with no environmental factors like wind or cold and what not so I have a handicap of course. :D
Also in case anybody is interested I measured a max of 102.6db at the shooter using a free db meter app. So nothing super scientific but a data point none the less.
(https://i.imgur.com/v9y8hjtl.jpg)
When we talk about stacking them in there........well it literally stacks them in there. :D Just kept flattening the shot underneath again and again and again..................which is why I see a fair bit of spall in this well used, little cleaned trap. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/OW9mSd8l.jpg)
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Above was scoped of course. Just FYI.
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Very nice Cslinger. I had the same effect on one of my steel spinner targets offhand at around 25 yards. I had planned to keep mine scopeless but trying to find the best feel for the irons.
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Cslinger
You have a great gun.
Those of us that are not quite as lucky will catch up.
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I loved shooting my Sport with the factory irons, but just had to scope it to see just how accurate it was. I then liked it with a scope too much to pull the scope off.
I solved that problem by ordering a second one, so I can go open sights or scope based on what I feel like shooting. Just got number two Sport, today, and will be testing it this week, soon as the wind dies down.
Oh, in case you think we're billionaires, we sold off about a dozen of our powder burners and will be selling some more. Been planning to do that for a long time, since our shooting is now almost exclusively air guns. Some of the money will be used to pay bills, some to savings, and some invested back into air guns, hence this next Sport.
Actually thought about expanding our PCP gear, but ... Naw! What can I say? I'm a springer addict. :)
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I loved shooting my Sport with the factory irons, but just had to scope it to see just how accurate it was. I then liked it with a scope too much to pull the scope off.
I solved that problem by ordering a second one, so I can go open sights or scope based on what I feel like shooting. Just got number two Sport, today, and will be testing it this week, soon as the wind dies down.
Oh, in case you think we're billionaires, we sold off about a dozen of our powder burners and will be selling some more. Been planning to do that for a long time, since our shooting is now almost exclusively air guns. Some of the money will be used to pay bills, some to savings, and some invested back into air guns, hence this next Sport.
Actually thought about expanding our PCP gear, but ... Naw! What can I say? I'm a springer addict. :)
I'll not be getting another Sport; but if I were to, I'd think about putting a Williams AP-FG peep sight on it. Just sayin'....
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. my Sport also prefers the H&N 4.51 FTT.
Honestly mine is fairly pellet agnostic. I haven’t found one it won’t shoot fairly well at 20 yards.
I had one of those tins that down to the end and needs to finished out so I just grabbed it and banged away in a simple load, sight, shoot, rinse repeat plinking type fashion. No real fundamentals per say, no real lets shoot for the best group ever etc. Just shooting for fun and to burn up the final shots out of a tin.
Ammo is H&N FTT 4.50 and it just goes round after round after round into the same basic spot with little effort at all. The group below is at least 30 shots probably a few more than that. Probably between 30 and 50 whatever I needed to finish the tin and it is just boringly accurate. Again I can say enough how my particular example shoots very much like a .22LR. This might be the easiest to shoot air rifle I own and that includes the HW30s. Now I am shooting indoors, with no environmental factors like wind or cold and what not so I have a handicap of course. :D
Also in case anybody is interested I measured a max of 102.6db at the shooter using a free db meter app. So nothing super scientific but a data point none the less.
(https://i.imgur.com/v9y8hjtl.jpg)
When we talk about stacking them in there........well it literally stacks them in there. :D Just kept flattening the shot underneath again and again and again..................which is why I see a fair bit of spall in this well used, little cleaned trap. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/OW9mSd8l.jpg)
A photo and source of your pellet trap, if you please. My pellets just scatter from the targets in the 30 yard, furthest corner of our backyard. I reckon that may not be "Green Earth" friendly?
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. my Sport also prefers the H&N 4.51 FTT.
Honestly mine is fairly pellet agnostic. I haven’t found one it won’t shoot fairly well at 20 yards.
I had one of those tins that down to the end and needs to finished out so I just grabbed it and banged away in a simple load, sight, shoot, rinse repeat plinking type fashion. No real fundamentals per say, no real lets shoot for the best group ever etc. Just shooting for fun and to burn up the final shots out of a tin.
Ammo is H&N FTT 4.50 and it just goes round after round after round into the same basic spot with little effort at all. The group below is at least 30 shots probably a few more than that. Probably between 30 and 50 whatever I needed to finish the tin and it is just boringly accurate. Again I can say enough how my particular example shoots very much like a .22LR. This might be the easiest to shoot air rifle I own and that includes the HW30s. Now I am shooting indoors, with no environmental factors like wind or cold and what not so I have a handicap of course. :D
Also in case anybody is interested I measured a max of 102.6db at the shooter using a free db meter app. So nothing super scientific but a data point none the less.
When we talk about stacking them in there........well it literally stacks them in there. :D Just kept flattening the shot underneath again and again and again..................which is why I see a fair bit of spall in this well used, little cleaned trap. :D
Very nice! Have you had to re-tighten or Loctite/Vibratite any screws yet? I was shooting mine over lunch break on Monday (one work-from-home advantage) and after about a dozen shots things started to open up and go high left. Checked the stock screws and got minimum of 3/4 turn out of all of them, and close to 1.5 turns out of the right side.
I have since applied Vibratite and snugged things up, but didn't had time to shoot after that.
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A photo and source of your pellet trap, if you please.
I have been using "silent" pellet traps for about 20 years. I have built 3, all are still in use/useable. The first was built about 20 years ago and is as supple and useable today.
Basically I buy a cheap steel fuse/junction box at LowesDepot, buy several bricks/pounds of Duct Seal AKA "Monkey Sh@%" (not trying to run afowl of the language filter just trying to give the colloquial name for this if you cannot find it by duct seal when asking somebody like a plumber). It is sold in plastic covered blocks and looks vaguely like a block of C4.
I gut the inside of the box, drill a hole or holes to mount some binder clips to hold targets, drill some holes and usually add some rubber feet on the bottom, a handle on top and stuff with duct seal. My first trap used a small box and was REALLY STUFFED with duct seal and will stop a .22LR. I wouldn't use it for that of course but gives you an idea of how much seal I used and its density. My subsequent traps used larger boxes and less duct seal to allow for 8.5x11 targets. Between the duct seal and steel back of the box NO airgun pellet is going through it short of something like a Texan and even than I would guess it would eat enough energy to be fairly ineffective out the back, but these were built for .177/.22 type airguns. All in you will probably spend around $40-$50 but these will literally last you a lifetime. The duct seal stays pliable and with the exception of maybe an occasional new brick or two of the stuff to fill in, smooth out areas that is your only re-occurring cost and that is a pittance and as you can see by my traps..........happens about once a decade or so, if that. :(
This is my most used one and as you can see it desperately needs some cleaning out and reforming of the seal, hence why some of my targets have holes going the other way. :D These have served me so well I can't imagine using anything else.
(https://i.imgur.com/iDzAwLOl.jpg)
This is my first trap build. It is my "portable" one. Heavy as all get out but small. It was designed around your basic GAMO airgun target size type targets. :D
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/ff5/ferris47/.highres/IMG_5995_zps8760891e.jpg)
Have you had to re-tighten or Loctite/Vibratite any screws yet?
Yes I have re-tightened a couple times. I have not used vibra or blue loctite. That is something I have used on other guns in the past, but usually I just accept that I need to keep a tool in my bag to firm up now and then.
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Keep in mind that you WILL still see ricochet's / spawl from the traps above as they get full of lead and don't get cleaned so I still suggest eye protection. Usually any ricochet's will be much lower velocity and up about 3-5 feet around the trap. This really is more a function of how fastidious you are about reforming, cleaning. I..............and not fastidious, so in the areas where I naturally have targets I build up quite the little lead walls. Its the low velocity stuff that will be more likely to come out of the trap, the high velocity stuff just adds to the lead wall.
Also the piece below and in front of the traps is just an old gun cabinet shelf that I use to catch the majority of the trash/pellets etc. so I can dump it easily. A shoebox lid of some kind works just as well, if not better.
Also when I say I have built three it is not because any have failed or aged out. The second one was simply because I wanted to use 8.5x11 targets and the third was because I am lazy and wanted another trap in another location and didn’t want to move one back and forth. All 3 are just as useable as they day they were built.
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I loved shooting my Sport with the factory irons, but just had to scope it to see just how accurate it was. I then liked it with a scope too much to pull the scope off.
I solved that problem by ordering a second one, so I can go open sights or scope based on what I feel like shooting. Just got number two Sport, today, and will be testing it this week, soon as the wind dies down.
Oh, in case you think we're billionaires, we sold off about a dozen of our powder burners and will be selling some more. Been planning to do that for a long time, since our shooting is now almost exclusively air guns. Some of the money will be used to pay bills, some to savings, and some invested back into air guns, hence this next Sport.
Actually thought about expanding our PCP gear, but ... Naw! What can I say? I'm a springer addict. :)
I'll not be getting another Sport; but if I were to, I'd think about putting a Williams AP-FG peep sight on it. Just sayin'....
As a matter of fact, Greg, I just happen to have a spare Williams I might use. Been thinking about it, anyway. We'll see.
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Just wanted to add a couple points.
1- I have had to tighten my stock screws a couple times.
2- My scope/mount walked back on me. I may not have the cross bar seated just right, not sure.
That super fast snap of a shot cycle seems to impart a decent amount of recoil.
Now all that said, this gun continues to shoot like gangbusters even with a walking scope. :D I had seven shots out of the ten in the same hole/hole and a half in the following group. The last 3 I opened up a bit but still a fantastic group at least for me. Still absolutely love this gun and it has seen quite a lot of use. Once again thanks to FWBSPORT and NCG for pushing me over the edge. Such a pleasantly surprising gun.
(https://i.imgur.com/pIEyghlh.jpg)
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So the FWB Twang and Bang is now scoped with a UTG 3-12x44 with the glass reticle, and doing quite well.
Similar results as Cslinger above with JSB Exact Diablos in a light crosswind, 32 degrees and snowing. If I can corral some more time at the weekend I'll run some FTTs.
It's still loud, and I'm really hoping that the gun will quiet down with more use. I have maybe 300+\- varied pellets through it so far.
Despite the noise it's a lovely gun to hold, and not bad on the eyes either.
NorthCountryGirl has a lot to answer for ;)
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Yeah, guilty as charged. :) Just to show what a "sport" I am, I'll gladly take the Sport off of anyone's hands if they don't like it.
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Yeah, guilty as charged. :) Just to show what a "sport" I am, I'll gladly take the Sport off of anyone's hands if they don't like it.
Apologies for getting your handle wrong NCG.
I'm keeping mine 8)
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:) :) :)
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Yeah, guilty as charged. :) Just to show what a "sport" I am, I'll gladly take the Sport off of anyone's hands if they don't like it.
Hey now, I think I have dibs from a post where I made the same offer and was called a vulture... not saying that's wrong, but still... :)
FWIW, I still love mine and NCG can take all the credit for convincing me to take the chance. But I only have one... :(
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I clean the barrels of breakbarrels with a Teflon Dewey brand rod. I push from breech to choke. The FWB Sport has a very short choke compared with other in my collection. I have shot mine about 3000 times and have not found ANY pellet that is not accurate. Pellets tested were various high end Wadcutter H and N Final Match - Vogel - Sig Sauer- RWS, Domes tested were JSB 8.4 AirArms 8.4 RWS Crosman Premire7.9, Crosman hollow points from WalMar 7.9. These hollowpoints fit the leade too tightly but are accurate. Crosman Premires also fit too tight for me.
I really gravitate towards this rifle. I shoot it every day. I'm doing factory iron sights at 50 feet in the basement. It's all offhand and I can average 7/8". All the iron sight rifles in my collection have some sort of peep. I really enjoy the FWB conventional notch and post. The rear sight is soooo nice.
I recently upgraded my shooting area and have 8 traps, one knockdown, and 4 spinners. One of the target traps is portable. It's a Gamo funnel with a wool sock stuffed into the impact area. I mounted it to a cheap-O camera tri-pod. I also use this trap for chrono testing because you can shoot the same spot over and over with this trap.
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Thanks for adding more input on this rifle, Don. I'm still in the learning phase with the Sport, but loving it all the way.
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Thank you Keen. Upon further review, my Sport also prefers the H&N 4.51 FTT. I shot 11 pellets over the chrony today. Nine of the eleven pellets went into a single ragged hole and the other two were a 1/4" away at 25 yards. True velocity was 829 fps, fpe was ~13+ and SD was 12.15.
Color me tickled.
Hmmm? I haven't been able to do that since then. Is it me, the H&N 4.51 FTT's or is it the gun? Today, it was a breezy 74° and off of the bench on the patio, the best I could do was an ~3/4" 10 shot group at 30 yards. My lovely BEEMAN R7 is far better than that.
Somebody help me please, I don't want this beautiful rifle to go the way of my two previous beautiful HW35E's.
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Thank you Keen. Upon further review, my Sport also prefers the H&N 4.51 FTT. I shot 11 pellets over the chrony today. Nine of the eleven pellets went into a single ragged hole and the other two were a 1/4" away at 25 yards. True velocity was 829 fps, fpe was ~13+ and SD was 12.15.
Color me tickled.
Hmmm? I haven't been able to do that since then. Is it me, the H&N 4.51 FTT's or is it the gun? Today, it was a breezy 74° and off of the bench on the patio, the best I could do was an ~3/4" 10 shot group at 30 yards. My lovely BEEMAN R7 is far better than that.
Somebody help me please, I don't want this beautiful rifle to go the way of my two previous beautiful HW35E's.
Greg, I wouldn't put too much weight on the results of just a single outing. Then, too, the Sport with its recoil is definitely more of a challenge to shoot than any R7 and, as we all know, any kind of a breeze can open up groups. Give the Sport another workout or two or three.
I was out with the Sport set up with the factory open sights this last week, but I waited too long and by the time I started shooting, the lighting at the target wasn't the best. I simply had a hard time getting a good sight picture with those open sights. Getting 5 shots in a row without me pulling one was tough, but the fault was mine, not getting the sight picture I wanted. Still, I could tell the accuracy was there waiting for me to use it.
I do plan another outing when conditions are better. Also, I want to try some heavies in the 10 plus grain weight. The Sport definitely has the power to handle those. My go to heavy 177 pellet has always been the Beeman Kodiak Match, I'm down to a couple of tins and it's looking grim for availability on these pellets, now. Will be trying some of the JSBs, instead.
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I triedsome of thejsb 13+ grain monsters inmysport this weekend. Wasnt going for groups as much as just studying how the shot cycle was and how things moved and sounded. Theywere consistant and the sport spit them out without much fuss at all. Was running the cuda ft, but now it is migrating towards the reg 10.5 cudas. Funny how some guns evolve as they break in.
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I tried a couple 10.34 gr. JSB's yesterday and they were about a foot :o apart. I'll keep trying when it stops raining, my barrel slapping hand :'( quits hurting and it warms back up.
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I've developed a technique for breaking the barrel on the Sport that doesn't require whacking the barrel with my arm, first. Kind of picked up the idea from my HW50 where I start with my hand above the barrel, then bring it down fast grabbing the barrel as I go and pulling down as fast as I can. If I get it just right, the barrel actually breaks pretty easy. If not, try again or go back to slapping the barrel with my arm.
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Once mine broke in a bit, I too can sort grab at the very top of the barrel and give it a sharp pull to break it open. I do have some grease on the lock.
Mine seems to shoot darn near anything well at least at 20 yards or so.
My scope did walk as I said above and I haven’t take the time to re center but the groups are still excellent just in different places now. :)
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I've developed a technique for breaking the barrel on the Sport that doesn't require whacking the barrel with my arm, first. Kind of picked up the idea from my HW50 where I start with my hand above the barrel, then bring it down fast grabbing the barrel as I go and pulling down as fast as I can. If I get it just right, the barrel actually breaks pretty easy. If not, try again or go back to slapping the barrel with my arm.
Gun butt wedged in your groin, right or left.
Opposite hand at the tip of the barrel and the other hand in the mid forearm. Push with the barrel hand and pull a bit with the forearm hand. Should break every time with hardly any effort.
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Nope, I can only cock guns like this when sitting down at the bench and bracing the butt of the stock on the bench, then using two hands on the barrel (or lever), but good tip for those with more strength than this old granny. :)
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My apologies to the Notorious NCG.
I was only thinking about the breaking part, not the cocking part. :-[
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No problem, Chris. I am going to try your technique, though, with one of my easier cocking rifles.
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I have tried to make a habit of not using my groin for leverage. :). Worked out pretty well for me so far. :p
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I have seen lots of information about the recently discontinued FWB Sport both good and not so good. I was just thinking I should purchase one but not so sure I want to spend 5 or 6 hundred dollars on a new out of the box air rifle just to spend more money to tame the beast. Unfortunately knowing me I will find one either new or used at some point this year.
Looking back:
Based on everything I have read about this air rifle the .177 is much like the Beeman R1 in .177 more power/potential than what is needed in .177 caliber air rifle. Maybe FWB should have produced it as a .22 or even .20 caliber rifle for the US market.
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I have tried to make a habit of not using my groin for leverage. :). Worked out pretty well for me so far. :p
Dude!
Really?
I've ALWAYS leveraged. 8)
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I have seen lots of information about the recently discontinued FWB Sport both good and not so good. I was just thinking I should purchase one but not so sure I want to spend 5 or 6 hundred dollars on a new out of the box air rifle just to spend more money to tame the beast. Unfortunately knowing me I will find one either new or used at some point this year.
Looking back:
Based on everything I have read about this air rifle the .177 is much like the Beeman R1 in .177 more power/potential than what is needed in .177 caliber air rifle. Maybe FWB should have produced it as a .22 or even .20 caliber rifle for the US market.
I thought the very same thing. Too much for .177 and better served in .20/.22.
I dont plan to spend a lot of additional money on mine. I did add a new JM seal to an order for some spare parts, but for now, to seal is pretty solid in my gun. Minimal dieseling when switching pellets weights, and the spring remains unphazed thus far. Only thing i am going to do for the time being is maybe add a bit mor tar through the slot and shoot the snot out of it. I call it my HW35 treatment. And thats worked out very well so far. The Sport is a tough gun that demands a good break in period, but the more it is shot, the smoother it is getting,...at least in my experience.
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Tsk, good to know that it has the potential to tame down on its own, I my still jump at getting one once I warm up to a little more.
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I can't really say if our two Sports have calmed down with more shooting (and I have been shooting them) or if it's just me being used to them, now that I've shot them a lot. Either way, I do enjoy shooting them, recoil and all.
As for the Sport power level being too much in 177 cal, I can certainly understand that point of view. I'd would have loved to have seen an option for a Sport in 20 or 22 cal. That would have been very useful for some applications. Nevertheless, no one can claim that going 177 in the Sport has hurt accuracy. Far from it. Our two Sports in 177 equal our most accurate 177 HW and AA under lever springers. I have no regrets about the Sport being offered in 177. Absolutely, though, FWB might have sold more Sports had they offered a the Sport in 20 or 22 as well as 177. I think the biggest mistake FWB made with the Sport was that excessively high price at the outset.
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North Country Gal
It is good to know accuracy is not an issue and will keep that in mind as I ponder the sport.
Who knows maybe one day they would consider a Sport II (.22 cal). I know I would have moved swiftly to get one even at $600. One can always dream.
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I went out back this afternoon and shot a half dozen CPHB's at a 30-yard target. I am impressed with that 3/8" group. Thursday, I'll shoot some more CPHP's and some 7.87 gr. AA's. Stay tuned.