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Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => Target Shooting Discussion Gate => Topic started by: GaryG on January 03, 2021, 06:28:21 PM
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I am getting a bit frustrated with my 1950's air rifles and may just have to buy a modern
rifle. I like the look of traditional rifles, will be shooting primarily at paper targets from
10 to 20 meters and hope to spend $500.00 to $800.00. So far I have considered the
Benjamin Marauder and the Beeman R9. Any advise would be appreciated.
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The two you're considering are apples and oranges. The Marauder can be a fine gun but it IS a PCP which means investing in additional paraphernalia. The Beeman R9 is a conventional break barrel. You could consider an under lever like the Air Arms TX 200 or the Weihrauch HW77 or HW97. You could even go recoilless with the Diana 54.
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I am looking for accuracy from 10 to 20 meters, not excessive power.
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I am looking for accuracy from 10 to 20 meters, not excessive power.
My R9 in .22 fits these requirements quite well. An R9 would be my recommendation between the two.
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I am looking for accuracy from 10 to 20 meters, not excessive power.
Your price range will buy you a really nice used FWB300. You will have the accuracy you want, low cocking effort and if it has fresh seals it should be maintenance free for decades. I have two beater ex club rifles and they are a pleasure to shoot.
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I am looking for accuracy from 10 to 20 meters, not excessive power.
For maximum accuracy, you do not want a recoiling rifle, which the R9 is.
I suggest a used tier-1 precision match rifle or for sportster, a Crosman Challenger 2009 (note, NOT the original Challenger), or an Air Arms T200.
For precision rifles, the trick is finding one that meets your $800 budget. They are available, but you have to shop well. You want a SSP, CO2, or CA/PCP rifle. Watch the sale section of the TargetTalk.org forum.
The FWB-300 will fit the budget, but if you really want accuracy, it won't compare to the SSP, CO2 or CA/PCP match rifles.
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I am looking for accuracy from 10 to 20 meters, not excessive power.
For maximum accuracy, you do not want a recoiling rifle, which the R9 is.
I suggest a used tier-1 precision match rifle or for sportster, a Crosman Challenger 2009 (note, NOT the original Challenger), or an Air Arms T200.
For precision rifles, the trick is finding one that meets your $800 budget. They are available, but you have to shop well. You want a SSP, CO2, or CA/PCP rifle. Watch the sale section of the TargetTalk.org forum.
The FWB-300 will fit the budget, but if you really want accuracy, it won't compare to the SSP, CO2 or CA/PCP match rifles.
I agree with this. My suggestion for the 300 was mainly because of the lack of supporting equipment needed and the lack of maintenance. The SSP still covers this.
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I am looking for accuracy from 10 to 20 meters, not excessive power.
For maximum accuracy, you do not want a recoiling rifle, which the R9 is.
I suggest a used tier-1 precision match rifle or for sportster, a Crosman Challenger 2009 (note, NOT the original Challenger), or an Air Arms T200.
For precision rifles, the trick is finding one that meets your $800 budget. They are available, but you have to shop well. You want a SSP, CO2, or CA/PCP rifle. Watch the sale section of the TargetTalk.org forum.
The FWB-300 will fit the budget, but if you really want accuracy, it won't compare to the SSP, CO2 or CA/PCP match rifles.
I agree with this. My suggestion for the 300 was mainly because of the lack of supporting equipment needed and the lack of maintenance. The SSP still covers this.
Agree.
Also the 300 is just a fun rifle to shoot. Even with modern CA/PCP match rifles, I like to shoot my 300.
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Is there much difference between the FWB-300 and FWB-300S?
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That new D54 Air King looks cool. Te red an black laminated stock and a wood one. Open sight or a muzzle weight adjustable for harmonics. Sliding action like a 300.
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Is there much difference between the FWB-300 and FWB-300S?
As far as I know just the stocks.
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Is there much difference between the FWB-300 and FWB-300S?
It has been too long.
I do not remember what the differences are.
As @WildCJ5 said there was a stock change when the international rules changed.
One of the stock changes was the pistol grip cap. It used to be flared, but the flaring was removed after the rule change.
SWAG here. The 300 might be pre rule change, and the 300S post rule change.
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Is there much difference between the FWB-300 and FWB-300S?
It has been too long.
I do not remember what the differences are.
As @WildCJ5 said there was a stock change when the international rules changed.
One of the stock changes was the pistol grip cap. It used to be flared, but the flaring was removed after the rule change.
SWAG here. The 300 might be pre rule change, and the 300S post rule change.
One of my grip caps looks like the flare was removed by a beaver. :'(
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Is there much difference between the FWB-300 and FWB-300S?
It has been too long.
I do not remember what the differences are.
As @WildCJ5 said there was a stock change when the international rules changed.
One of the stock changes was the pistol grip cap. It used to be flared, but the flaring was removed after the rule change.
SWAG here. The 300 might be pre rule change, and the 300S post rule change.
One of my grip caps looks like the flare was removed by a beaver. :'(
Mine too. :(
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For 10-20 meters any of the mentioned guns will definitely make you happy, so its just a matter of taste at that point. As was said, the PCP will require a little more gear up front and while it will shoot amazing at those ranges, they really perform well all the way out to 100 meters, probably way overkill. I love them all, but I have really been bitten by the long range accuracy bug and PCP's!
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I ended up with a FWB 300S. I played around with the sights that come on it and had good success.
Then I mounted an old Tasco 6X32 and WOW.......what a rifle!
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Congratulations! Looks like it shoots ok. Haha
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I also checked the FPS at the muzzle and at the 10 meter target. I was surprised that the pellet left the rifle
at 610 FPS and hit the target at 525 FPS. I never would have guessed that much speed would be lost in
10 meters.
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I ended up with a FWB 300S. I played around with the sights that come on it and had good success.
Then I mounted an old Tasco 6X32 and WOW.......what a rifle!
Be aware that while the 300 is recoilless, it uses a sliding sledge that the scope is mounted on. So the scope is on a RECOILING mechanism. This isn't the 2-way jolt of a spring rifle, so not quite as damaging.
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I'm aware of the potential damage Springers can do to scopes. So far, so good. I've probably put 500 pellets through it
with no problems...yet!
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N-Joy the new toy.
A scoped 300 is very cool.
I made the targets smaller and smaller, until it was smaller than the diameter of the pellet.
I finally gave up the small target, because I got to the point that it was tough for me to easily see the dot with my scope. If I can't see it, I can't aim at it. And if I can't aim at it, I can't hit it.
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I ended up with a FWB 300S. I played around with the sights that come on it and had good success.
Then I mounted an old Tasco 6X32 and WOW.......what a rifle!
Be aware that while the 300 is recoilless, it uses a sliding sledge that the scope is mounted on. So the scope is on a RECOILING mechanism. This isn't the 2-way jolt of a spring rifle, so not quite as damaging.
I do have to re adjust the crosshairs often.....maybe the recoiling is causing that issue.
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I ended up with a FWB 300S. I played around with the sights that come on it and had good success.
Then I mounted an old Tasco 6X32 and WOW.......what a rifle!
Be aware that while the 300 is recoilless, it uses a sliding sledge that the scope is mounted on. So the scope is on a RECOILING mechanism. This isn't the 2-way jolt of a spring rifle, so not quite as damaging.
I do have to re adjust the crosshairs often.....maybe the recoiling is causing that issue.
Is your scope rated for use on a spring rifle?
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I have no idea if my old Tasco 6X32 is rated for my FWB 300S!
It works great most of the time, but needs continual tweaking.
I don't put the turret covers on anymore! I tried a new Discovery
scope but it did not work nearly as well for me as the old Tasco on
the 300S.
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Oh a caution that you probably figured out.
You need to keep enough clearance on the loading port for your fingers to easily load the pellet.
That was a problem when I scoped my 300 many years ago. They did not have the short high magnification scopes that they do today.
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Yes, I have my 6X32 Tasco scope, which is 11.75" long, moved back enough fo easy loading of pellets.
But that makes the butt of the stock about 2" short for me. I had intended to have that lengthened. Or maybe
I should look for a shorter scope. Can anyone recommend a short scope for a FWB300S for 10 to 20 meter
target shooting?