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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: Lt. Dan on December 25, 2020, 02:24:04 PM
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The gift from John (fwbsport) arrived yesterday, Christmas Eve. I had a horrible headache yesterday so I waited untill today to really examine it closely.
This is exactly how it came out of the box. Awesome right? It doesn't look like it's been shot much, John you must take marvelous care of your rifles I only found a couple of dings on the stock and they are so small they can easily be overlooked.
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More.
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John sent me a Parrus .177 last February.
The wooden one in the picture.
I also was lucky to get a .22 Parrus ( black one in picture ) from another member ( Bill - MMCM13 ).
Thanks again to John and Bill
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Great kindness extended here is a wonderful testimony to the GTA members. John, that's a great gift. LT. Dan, you've got a super good looking HW50 there. I'd forego the sights, slap a quality scope on it, and start nailing targets at 50-60 yards (which is well beyond my open sight eye vision).
Merry Christmas!
Archie
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The gratitude and thoughtfulness of the members in this community and on this forum are beyond compare! Merry Christmas and happy holidays everyone
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Very nice Dan! John ur a good MAN! I'm sure many blessings will come ur way! ;D
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Kudos to John for his wonderful generosity. Well done, friend.
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Hey John,
You've got a big/kind heart ;).
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Excellent John, what a wonderful gift. Lt. Dan, I think you will enjoy that one.
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Sure is a beautiful rifle. Hope you get some good shooting weather, it’s supposed to be much warmer here today.
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I have other rifles I will probably give away I just realized my HW98 .177 is easily replacing anything in .177!
I can't really sell a rifle to anyone because once I use it it is sighted in and ready for use by anyone.
I feel what I have done to the rifle is learn from it and then go the next step to eliminate problems with offhand shooting. Offhand shooting requires absolute quiet concentration without rush and Hector's D54 .20 allows it along with all the other HW98s which, by the way, are truly the best air rifles I've had the pleasure of shooting offhand along with the FWB Sport and others like the Daystate Huntsman (the story on this PCP is only beginning) but right now my HW98 .177 is shooting Rangemaster Sovereign 10.33 gr with ease. I think any .177 I choose would work inside this machine but for now I am still snugging up screws and shooting the HW98 .177 thinking if I had ONE rifle..........
I have to "clean out" my signature to the bad to the bones minimum.....
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On this rifle the open sights are dead on for nice eyes, but if you want to put ANY scope on top use the Diana Zero Recoil Mounts and Rings with the STUD set at the closest to the MUZZLE!
That rifle will then show you its capability with a scope. I've had two scopes on that rifle, a Trijicon and also the Leupold 3-9X 33mm Air Rifle Scope from Straight Shooters years ago. My problem in not wanting to scope that rifle is the grooves are not tight enough to prevent SKID from ANY scope atop!
So you need a locking lug to "cement" the scope mount in without having to rely upon the grooves alone. However, I have witnessed rifles using lugs this way WITHOUT the Diana ZR mounts in time will scrape into the "lug" to allow the entire scope mount set to keep setting back more and more until that lug (which was a hollow type that is rather common in many lugged scope mounts) is sheared to the point of 50%! Can you believe that! So the HW50 NEEDs a LOCKING LUG in there (no #d screw top mount is going to hold the vibration without a lug) and since you do why not make the rifle recoiless to your choice of scope?
No need to worry about "magnum or springer" rated scopes. Whatever scope you have you can believe in for your eyes to hold zero without shock is CANDIDATE to what you elect.
I have a $70 Traditions 3-10X atop my racehorse rifle: the Hector Special or the H.S. of all air rifles. It has PERFECT optics my eyes can SEE with and the crosswire arrangement is SO CLEAR it looks as Bright and Clear as a Swarovsky Z3 atop my HW95L .22.
That $70 scope by Traditions (a black powder type of scope!) is my perfect scope on top of the HECTOR SPECIAL .20 D54! And the mounts and rings are the ZR you can buy today for around $70.
I never mounted the ZR system on the HW50 so the horizon can be great there!
Kindly,
John
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Thanks John for the tips and advise.
Results from Chronograph
HW50 .22
FIELS TARGET TROPHY 14.66gr 5.53mm
LV 610.8
HV 620.9
AV 614.9
ES 10.13
SD 3.6
ENERGY 12.3
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Thanks John for the tips and advise.
Results from Chronograph
HW50 .22
FIELS TARGET TROPHY 14.66gr 5.53mm
LV 610.8
HV 620.9
AV 614.9
ES 10.13
SD 3.6
ENERGY 12.3
That's about what I see the new .20s in HW50 are doing with their pellets! Truly that rifle is deadlier than any .20 HW50!
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My scope hasn't made it here yet. So I shot using open sights today. Even with my aging eyesight this rifle definitely showed me what it could do.
I started at 20 yards shooting RWS Superdomes 14.5 gr at my 3" spinners. That was too easy so I moved to 1-1/2". I was popping them every shot. I noticed the pellets were hitting in the same spot on the spinner so I moved up to the one inch spinners. LOL that was more difficult but I was still hitting them most of the time.
I decided to see how far I could hit. At 30 yards, with these Superdomes I was hitting a 3" spinners everytime. I had to quit because it started sprinkling.
Oh, I forgot, I was shooting offhanded with no support.
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That’s great shooting with open sites Dan!
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Lucky dog ;D Good to see the christmas spirit is alive and well. I've been thinking of re-homing one of my many scopes lately. I cant seem to part with any of my current guns, though.
At any rate, the HW50 is the nicest springer I've owned, and resultingly my favorite, I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
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That’s great shooting with open sites Dan!
Thanks John, I forgot to put that I was shooting offhanded with no support. Oh, I could still edit it.
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Lucky dog ;D Good to see the christmas spirit is alive and well. I've been thinking of re-homing one of my many scopes lately. I cant seem to part with any of my current guns, though.
At any rate, the HW50 is the nicest springer I've owned, and resultingly my favorite, I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
Yes sir. John's generosity is refreshing. And this was not his first act of generosity either.
No doubt this will become my favorite rifle.
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Well it was sighted in offhand.....and never needed any more adjustment once there at 25 yards. I'd step back to 35 yards and still make hits with the open sights. It can use a low mounted scope that is light to extend range!
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Dan, that's great--NO, GREAT--shooting via off-hand!!!!!
Remind me never to compete with you.
Have fun,
Archie
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Dan, that's great--NO, GREAT--shooting via off-hand!!!!!
Remind me never to compete with you.
Have fun,
Archie
Thanks, but worry not Archie, once upon a time I was a pretty good shot. Now age has begun to make it more difficult to shoot offhanded.
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Offhand lets a springer show accuracy especially when not having time to look for a rest.
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For example the springer D54 I shoot in .20. A heavy rifle, but not far from the HW98. Either model to me is outstanding offhand without trying to see what they do with targets and multiple shots in a bench type rest or whatever.
The PCP Daystate I got recently in .177 (Huntsman) is the most reliable unregulated PCP I have ever owned since RAW and FX BOSS .30 and Theoben Rapid .25.
But it is in my mind an updated PCP anyway because it's been time before I came back on board the PCP realm. This is a rifle not taylored as a springer in function but PCPs will outdo springers pretty much most of the time in some kind of narrowed competition revolving around range and power.
Offhand shooting eliminates all other questions except the ones about YOU holding the rifle and that makes a springer's work much simpler. Once it is sighted in offhand you'll find it is the best sight in procedure for any of your springers. Once you can hit at 10 yards with open sights offhand with your springer you'll see how to adjust your open sights if they are off.
You can actually be assured any rifle scoped or not can be sighted in offhand with you shooting and getting better results for a "zero" when using stabilizing methods like bipods or sand bags.
Sight in ALL your rifles offhand; then make adjustments to them as time moves along. No need for a chrony or paper targets at all, just sight them in offhand to hit a 1.5" disc at 25 yards like I do and everything else always falls into place without cleaning the bore or thinking I'm off.
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Really great to see such generously and a fine gift especially after witnessing some of the greed of some users in the bargain gate forums of users buying up many limited rifles with the sole intention of profit knowing full well there were many members looking to obtain a single one for personal use.
Congratulations on your hw50!
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I'll be giving away my air rifles that led to the D54 and HW98s until the Daystate Huntsman kicks the last rifle out.
It's only (the Daystate) in .177 and I've never before enjoyed a PCP as much.
Maybe in .22 it's better.
But I'm content with it in .177 the rest of my terra firma walk to check me and satisfy me.
You see, I love springers and the Daystate Huntsman makes me love springers more.
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I'll be giving away my air rifles that led to the D54 and HW98s until the Daystate Huntsman kicks the last rifle out.
It's only (the Daystate) in .177 and I've never before enjoyed a PCP as much.
Maybe in .22 it's better.
But I'm content with it in .177 the rest of my terra firma walk to check me and satisfy me.
You see, I love springers and the Daystate Huntsman makes me love springers more.
Your D54 (with Hector's magic touch ) sounds like a perfect companion to your HW98s. I'm proud you have them by your side.
Dan
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Dern ya, John! Thanks to you an HW50 is on my short list! And an HW98 is a bit further out!
But I truly enjoy and appreciate your comments about those two rifles!
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Dern ya, John! Thanks to you an HW50 is on my short list! And an HW98 is a bit further out!
But I truly enjoy and appreciate your comments about those two rifles!
I can't comment on the HW98 as I don't have one but the HW50 is a joy to shoot.
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I enjoy a .177 Hawke scoped HW50S and am awaiting another, paid for 3 weeks ago, .177 HW50S from AoA. I shall put a Williams Peep Sight on this second 50S and contemplate installing a JM kit after her, now belated, arrival.
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Awesome little rifle.
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Excellent shooting. Appears you're enjoying both the rifle and the Airmax.
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Excellent shooting. Appears you're enjoying both the rifle and the Airmax.
Yep. I had a few JSB Exact RS and then I decided to try some Vortex Supremes, they surprised me.
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Good shooting, Dan!
An HW50S is a fun and easy gun to learn to shoot and love, IMO. I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of my second one.
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Dan,
You are a true marksman!
Can you now shoot it at 35 or 40 yards?
Which pellet do you like loading? Seems they are all accurate! 8)
-Y
PS I hope that now you understand why I love that rifle. Not to big, not to small, just right! ;)
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I had, (and still have), a headache yesterday along with cold symptoms so I only shot these two paper targets yesterday. I haven't shot at long distances yet Yogi I'm happy shooting at 25 yds. I'm building my confidence and trying to consistently shoot 1/2" groups at 25 yards before moving out to farther distances.
I was curious as to how the HW50 would respond to cheap Walmart pellets so these groups are definitely not the best. The target backing is completely shot out. I need to replace it so pardon for the closed holes on these shots.
(The Crosman pellets produced a lot of flyers but not surprising due to the variations in skirt diameter and weight. These pellets were not sorted straight out of the tin.)
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Still nice shooting, Brother Dan. Hope you get to feeling better today.
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I had, (and still have), a headache yesterday along with cold symptoms so I only shot these two paper targets yesterday. I haven't shot at long distances yet Yogi I'm happy shooting at 25 yds. I'm building my confidence and trying to consistently shoot 1/2" groups at 25 yards before moving out to farther distances.
I was curious as to how the HW50 would respond to cheap Walmart pellets so these groups are definitely not the best. The target backing is completely shot out. I need to replace it so pardon for the closed holes on these shots.
(The Crosman pellets produced a lot of flyers but not surprising due to the variations in skirt diameter and weight. These pellets were not sorted straight out of the tin.)
Hope you do not have a dry cough. :-[ Get tested!
Unless you are only posting your very best targets, I think you have the 1/2 inch groups nailed. ;)
-Y
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I had, (and still have), a headache yesterday along with cold symptoms so I only shot these two paper targets yesterday. I haven't shot at long distances yet Yogi I'm happy shooting at 25 yds. I'm building my confidence and trying to consistently shoot 1/2" groups at 25 yards before moving out to farther distances.
I was curious as to how the HW50 would respond to cheap Walmart pellets so these groups are definitely not the best. The target backing is completely shot out. I need to replace it so pardon for the closed holes on these shots.
(The Crosman pellets produced a lot of flyers but not surprising due to the variations in skirt diameter and weight. These pellets were not sorted straight out of the tin.)
Hope you do not have a dry cough. :-[ Get tested!
Unless you are only posting your very best targets, I think you have the 1/2 inch groups nailed. ;)
-Y
Thanks for your concern, it's not a dry cough, actually quite the opposite. I or rather we have been sheltering in place for months. We haven't been around anyone lately.
I shoot many different types and brands of pellets when I'm trying to determine the best for a particular air rifle. So sure I have targets that I would never post. I usually post the better of the targets I shoot and I bet that can be said of most here.
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I had, (and still have), a headache yesterday along with cold symptoms so I only shot these two paper targets yesterday. I haven't shot at long distances yet Yogi I'm happy shooting at 25 yds. I'm building my confidence and trying to consistently shoot 1/2" groups at 25 yards before moving out to farther distances.
I was curious as to how the HW50 would respond to cheap Walmart pellets so these groups are definitely not the best. The target backing is completely shot out. I need to replace it so pardon for the closed holes on these shots.
(The Crosman pellets produced a lot of flyers but not surprising due to the variations in skirt diameter and weight. These pellets were not sorted straight out of the tin.)
That’s still pretty darn good shooting. I have sorted a couple tins of 7.9 CPHP and there was a lot of size variation with the biggest majority being 4.50. I go back and forth between the 50 and the 95 for my next gun so I will be interested in reading your comparison of the two.
Since you have been sheltering in place I’m guessing/hoping it’s not COVID-19.
Get well
Shoot straight
And keep the rubber side down ( four wheeler :D)
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Basically my experience with the Crosman Premier domed. Can vary quite a bit, one tin to the next. I have better luck going brown box, but sometimes not easy to find. I do have some Benjamin/Crosman pumps that actually prefer them, but my HWs tend to prefer the higher grade stuff.
For sure, this pandemic has had me shooting some pellets I've grabbed over the years, just because they were there and I got them cheap. Tins with labels like Gamo, Stoeger and so on. Still fun for plinking and shooting steel.
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I had, (and still have), a headache yesterday along with cold symptoms so I only shot these two paper targets yesterday. I haven't shot at long distances yet Yogi I'm happy shooting at 25 yds. I'm building my confidence and trying to consistently shoot 1/2" groups at 25 yards before moving out to farther distances.
I was curious as to how the HW50 would respond to cheap Walmart pellets so these groups are definitely not the best. The target backing is completely shot out. I need to replace it so pardon for the closed holes on these shots.
(The Crosman pellets produced a lot of flyers but not surprising due to the variations in skirt diameter and weight. These pellets were not sorted straight out of the tin.)
That’s still pretty darn good shooting. I have sorted a couple tins of 7.9 CPHP and there was a lot of size variation with the biggest majority being 4.50. I go back and forth between the 50 and the 95 for my next gun so I will be interested in reading your comparison of the two.
Since you have been sheltering in place I’m guessing/hoping it’s not COVID-19.
Get well
Shoot straight
And keep the rubber side down ( four wheeler :D)
Thanks. I don't have a lot of confidence in the Crosman pellets, this was more than likely the last time I'll shoot them in my HW50. I'm positive this quality rifle will yield its best performance with a higher quality pellet.
Thanks for the well wishing.
Happy shooting to you.
Dan
At UPS, when we would pull out of the building in our package cars our manager often would say, "Keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down."
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Everyone is probably getting tired of me posting my progress with the HW50 but I promised I would keep John (fwbsport) updated and since I can't figure out how to attach pictures to a PM I'll keep posting them here.
Yesterday I tried Crosman Premier Domed Ultra Magnum and Benjamin Discovery HP'S, I had some tight groups but had some flyers, sometimes 4 out of 10 were flyers. I apologized to Tiger Stripe (the nickname John had for this rifle because of the wood grain on the stock) and promised that I wouldn't poke anymore of those inferior pellet down her throat again.
Here are the results for today. Only pellets I used today was H&N Vortex Supreme 14.66 and only at 25 yds.
The top three targets are 10-shot groups
The very bottom target is my best ever 5-shot group at 25 yards of any air rifle I own.
If you're wondering why some groups are to the right and some to the left is because I've been tweaking my zero and the Airmax and I can't seem to reach an agreement.
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That’s some fine shooting, Dan! At 14.66 gr. and 5.53 mm those Hatsan’s sure sound a lot like H&N FTT. Do you know if they’re the same but relabeled?
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That’s some fine shooting, Dan! At 14.66 gr. and 5.53 mm those Hatsan’s sure sound a lot like H&N FTT. Do you know if they’re the same but relabeled?
Thanks. I was on a roll today. I've been told they are the same but for some reason the HW50 is shooting tighter groups with them than with the FTT.
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That’s some fine shooting, Dan! At 14.66 gr. and 5.53 mm those Hatsan’s sure sound a lot like H&N FTT. Do you know if they’re the same but relabeled?
Thanks. I was on a roll today. I've been told they are the same but for some reason they are shooting tighter groups than the FTT.
Well if it likes Hatsans, feed it Hatsans... good shooting Brother! ;D
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That’s some fine shooting, Dan! At 14.66 gr. and 5.53 mm those Hatsan’s sure sound a lot like H&N FTT. Do you know if they’re the same but relabeled?
Thanks. I was on a roll today. I've been told they are the same but for some reason they are shooting tighter groups than the FTT.
Well if it likes Hatsans, feed it Hatsans... good shooting Brother! ;D
Hatsan pellets are not cheap. $$ ::)
-Y
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Dan,
Great shooting, Dan!
In my experience, the Weihrauchs are not as pellet picky as my other brands--but they do have some that shoot consistently better than others. The H&N med sniper 8.5gr is the only pellet that none of my Ws really like. Oh, and the cheaper economy Excites. OTOH, they shoot the cheaper Beemans just fine. I still prefer H&N first, then JSB/AA pellets. The other aspect that I enjoy about my Ws is this, they will shoot virtually any grain consistently. I'm getting good results with 6.9, 7.0, 7.5 (Daisy WCs), 7.9, 8.0, 8.2, 8.3, 8.44, 8.64--consistently.
Archie
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Thanks Archie, I'm seeing that. They all shoot with pretty groups, 13.12gr, 14.66, 15.89. SteveP-52 is sending some AA Falcons for me to try.