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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: JungleShooter on December 23, 2020, 11:41:06 AM
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🔴 Prices of USED Airguns — There must be a reason why they are so high — But is it reasonable...?
So, we've got the Maverick out. With all new this and all new that. Way beyond your father's BB gun.... Wait, way beyond the PCP you bought just 5 years ago.
Then we have:
The Cricket 2.
The Veteran 2.
The Priest 2.
The Impact Mk2.
The Wildcat Mk2, wait, make that Mk3.
And all the technological bells and whistles that used to be upgrades — and now come as standard, right off the bat.
Well, I really like the specs of these second and third generation guns, I like their looks, I like the progress of technology that they represent. That's 3 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼.
I'm 😊.
Now, I can't help but wonder…. 🤔
➔ With all these new guns coming out making the previous models "outdated/ old" and with "obsolete technology":
❓ When will the prices of USED high-end PCP's finally drop to more affordable levels?
I mean I simply can't afford a $1000 gun, let alone one for $1500 or $2000. I was OK with that when I chose my profession, and I'm still OK with that. 👍🏼
➔ However, am I the only one that feels that a gun that sold NEW for $1200 — and that has been superseded by Mk2 and Mk3 — should normally cost USED $800 or less…… 🤔
I would point out that the prices for cell phones follow this path, and so do prices for motorcycles, cars, large screen TVs, etc. etc.
❓ What's up with airguns? 🙄
🔶 (I might have one idea WHY used airguns prices are so unreasonably high….:
➔ It's because we all are more or less gun collectors — so, the older guns that we rarely shoot anymore and that are superseded we do not sell — so the used airgun market is very slow — which drives the prices way out of proportion….. [Maybe?? 🤔])
OK, just my own reflections slash frustrations…. 😕
Never mind. I have two guns I decided to sell asap to have the money to pay for a new gun (and you know the rest of the story already).
I now have the new gun. Yeah! And I still have the two old guns. Two years and counting. 🤦🏻♂️
🔶 Yupp: Obsessive airgun collector. Guilty as charged. 🙋🏻♂️
Matthias
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Just give it time. Prices will come down. People are just going to try to get whatever they can... the "extra" $1000 these fancy guns cost on top of the $300-$500 you might expect to spend as you say are becoming standard. Seems like the market is nearing a tipping point (what do I know though?)maybe moving past paying the huge premiums for small innovations which are now commonplace.
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No, it's not reasonable. Simple answer, they're paying those ridiculous prices. When demand and used sales falls off, the prices will , too. ♤
After the pandemic, when normal production resumes flooding the market with NEW, the old, used, Classic's will be forgotten about as well as these bloated pandemic prices.$$ ¿
🎅🎯
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Yeah, I wished this was just a pandemic phenomenon — but these high prices of USED guns have been common for the last couple of years before the pandemic. 😟
Matthias
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Itch a niche market filled with enthusiasts who are much more knowledgeable and hard core then hobby’s with a passing interest.
Big difference between a guy who puts out 2 grand for a gun and the drops the coin on optics, support / air charging gear etc. then the average Ruger 10/22 owner. (No disrespect to the average 10/22 owner as I am one of you. :)).
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Was getting worried about the used/vintage gun market.(99 % of my collection) A few years ago prices dropped considerably, especially with the yellow forum disappearing.
There was a time with the yellow forum classifieds. you had what felt like only seconds to determine if you were buying or not with an "I'll take it " response. Or someone was going to snatch it up from under you....those were the days.... Never to be duplicated again.
I'm glad to see the vintage/used market prices turn around.
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🔴 Prices of USED Airguns — There must be a reason why they are so high — But is it reasonable...?
So, we've got the Maverick out. With all new this and all new that. Way beyond your father's BB gun.... Wait, way beyond the PCP you bought just 5 years ago.
Then we have:
The Cricket 2.
The Veteran 2.
The Priest 2.
The Impact Mk2.
The Wildcat Mk2, wait, make that Mk3.
And all the technological bells and whistles that used to be upgrades — and now come as standard, right off the bat.
Well, I really like the specs of these second and third generation guns, I like their looks, I like the progress of technology that they represent. That's 3 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼.
I'm 😊.
Now, I can't help but wonder…. 🤔
➔ With all these new guns coming out making the previous models "outdated/ old" and with "obsolete technology":
❓ When will the prices of USED high-end PCP's finally drop to more affordable levels?
I mean I simply can't afford a $1000 gun, let alone one for $1500 or $2000. I was OK with that when I chose my profession, and I'm still OK with that. 👍🏼
➔ However, am I the only one that feels that a gun that sold NEW for $1200 — and that has been superseded by Mk2 and Mk3 — should normally cost USED $800 or less…… 🤔
I would point out that the prices for cell phones follow this path, and so do prices for motorcycles, cars, large screen TVs, etc. etc.
❓ What's up with airguns? 🙄
🔶 (I might have one idea WHY used airguns prices are so unreasonably high….:
➔ It's because we all are more or less gun collectors — so, the older guns that we rarely shoot anymore and that are superseded we do not sell — so the used airgun market is very slow — which drives the prices way out of proportion….. [Maybe?? 🤔])
OK, just my own reflections slash frustrations…. 😕
Never mind. I have two guns I decided to sell asap to have the money to pay for a new gun (and you know the rest of the story already).
I now have the new gun. Yeah! And I still have the two old guns. Two years and counting. 🤦🏻♂️
🔶 Yupp: Obsessive airgun collector. Guilty as charged. 🙋🏻♂️
Matthias
Matthias now you got me worried - I have to sell a couple of (nearly new) PCP guns so I can get me a new Wildcat MkIII (wifey's conditions ::)), so I hope the used prices don't drop Too far!
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You can only ask what people is willing to pay,
In the end the market is directed by the buyers not the sellers.
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Some of it also has to do with impatience. There are things people sell out of impulse. No different than impulse buying.
We are all guilty of both in some form or another.
I'll give you an example. I got a truck that I've been sitting on for over 20 plus years. It's in mint condition, super low miles, and it's a rare breed, even for it's day. To the average person it's worth diddly squat (especially comparing to KBB). To the person that knows what it is and why it's important, it's worth a lot, and they are willing to pay me top dollar for it.
Applies the same to air guns. It's a buyer's market, but the seller can only dictate whether or not they will let it go for that amount.
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Just because the latest thing has come out doesn't mean what came before it instantly lacks what matters.
What was good before is still good when it comes to airguns, it's not like a cellphone that could be unusable 10 years from now.
Not everyone cares about ancillary bells and whistles that do not really make the gun what it is, some people will pay up for a good shooter that's built to last regardless and I suspect that's why many expensive airguns remain expensive even when used.
Not to mention the fact that most people seem to take care of these things, otherwise you might see lower prices on best up examples.
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To the OP I agreed on the used prices being way high. But can also be said of the “new” PCPs. Most of the new PCPs come in at $1299.—$1500 and up. I understand the tech is awesome as I love my two PCPs. But the prices are absurd for the regular working class guy. And I do understand that there are fine choices below 1K. So I would have to say it all depends on what a consumer is willing to spend.
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To the OP I agreed on the used prices being way high. But can also be said of the “new” PCPs. Most of the new PCPs come in at $1299.—$1500 and up. I understand the tech is awesome as I love my two PCPs. But the prices are absurd for the regular working class guy. And I do understand that there are fine choices below 1K. So I would have to say it all depends on what a consumer is willing to spend.
Ditto. I've spent a lot of my hard earned money on my air guns. Some of them I got for free from certain manufacturers (and some I had to return). This is what happens when you spend lots of money and do a lot of communication to manufacturers over the years. You establish a trust with them. Some want to know you, some don't give a squat about you. All fine and dandy with me.
I can give you a very recent example, that Umarex Ready air compressor I keep asking them a certain question about. I contacted them a few times, and they keep saying they will get back to me. Now I'm not the brightest light on the Christmas tree (no pun intended for this time of the season), but I think they know I'm right and they are figuring out what to do (or rather, what to say to me). Not to say Umarex is bad, as I've had good interaction with them in the past. They just seem like a slippery snake on this one, but patience will succumb. At the end of the day, I'm concerned with safety -- not looking to give them a bad name, or sue them or whatever. I'm trying to help them so they don't need to end up back tracking and dealing with a massive recall on a product. Again, I'll reiterate it -- Umarex is not a bad company. I'm just using them as an example. I have run into this with many companies.
Going back to the pricing, I've spent a lot of money on certain airguns that were NOT worth what I paid for it. Mostly due to the poor engineering and excessive parts replacement to make it right -- sometimes right out of the box! These aren't Benjamin Wildfires, folks... some of the airguns are high end Air Force, Gamos, etc in the cost of over $1,000+. I see why people get mad when they take home an expensive airgun and they fill it up with air and it doesn't even want to hold air. -- This is also why I only buy from Pyramyd Air most a majority of the time. I do the $10 for 10. It's a lot easier for them to fix or replace the airgun there, then playing the shipping game or me fixing a brand new airgun on my bench.
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Prices have been driven up this year for a few reasons. But I am not and will not be used to the used prices I see. I've passed on literally every gun I've thought about buying this year. In part because I already have a lot. But also becuase the price is not right. I did try to buy one of those rws 54s for 265$ or whatever it was, with no luck
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➔ With all these new guns coming out making the previous models "outdated/ old" and with "obsolete technology":
❓ When will the prices of USED high-end PCP's finally drop to more affordable levels?
it's because of people like myself. I love the older guns....As far as I am concerned, the older guns (at least in the springer world) tend to be better, more accurate, better made, and aesthetically nicer. As with the world of anything old and/or collectible, the value is whatever someone is willing to pay.
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You can only ask what people is willing to pay,
In the end the market is directed by the buyers not the sellers.
Ding Ding Ding!
What's a mint condition Nova SS or Mickey Mantle card worth?
It is worth EXACTLY what another person is willing to pay for it. No more, no less.
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Do think that once a GEN II is out...the GEn I's are down graded in value.
Then again,it's supply/demand....value and asking price do not have to agree.
Guy can ask whatever price he cares to. Either it's worth it to you to buy, or it's not. Depends on how long he's willing to sing "happy birthday " every year the rifle hangs around un-sold.
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How much of a "vulture"do you really want to be?
Not a pretty chapter of a miss-spent youth hustling a few bucks.
Local tragic event...like a large factory/bussiness shutting it's doors...100's if not 1000's of people out of work?
(this was more firearms based...they couldn't sell nationally without an FFL....airgunners with the time can...but unexpected events when they need the money NOW rather than later).
Could be a "vulture"...check the local pawn shops/trader-papers and be ready to "dicker-down".
I had the power of "time"...they didn't.
YEah...can be like kicking a cripple....so I condered that whenever I could beat the pawn shop offers in a man-on-man private sale, are actually helping a bit.
Were times when I paid too much and actually lost money in the re-sale...just out of the obvious seller's need/bad luck story.
Guess I'm human after all.
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It is worth EXACTLY what another person is willing to pay for it. No more, no less.
Yupp, Peter, you are right, of course. 👍🏼
And I guess, I'm in the minority here of not being willing (or able) to pay 70-80% of the new price for a used gun....
But that's just me, of course. 😊
So, a question that prompted me to write the OP is that: WHY are there so many buyers who are fine with 70-80% of the NP? 😊
Matthias
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It is worth EXACTLY what another person is willing to pay for it. No more, no less.
Say I have a gun that I want $1000 for it, but you only want to pay $900. If I decide to sell it for $900 then YOU determined the "worth", if I decide to NOT sell it for $900 then I determined the "worth", Agree? if you don't agree then why didn't you get the gun for $900?
Buying and selling is a 2 way street, especially when it is something no longer produced.
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the problem i have is when someone has all this money into a gun and try to get a mint. when truck owners put all those useless accessories on a truck and go to trade it in they get nothing more for all the bs. not everyone wants all the extras. if im looking for a used impact, im not gonna pay $2100 just because it has extras i dont need. I’ll just spend that money to get a new one!
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I've bought used from reputable air rifle places who take them in and refurbish them back to operation.
I've bought used from one member here because I fell in love immediately with his vortexed .177 HW30 which is still with me in remembrance. He took away a BOSS .30 and another PCP I had (Rapid) and I like the springers he gave up for the PCPs!
This tells me anyone with a springer they don't want I'd take because I like them always and as long as they are taken care of like the Gipper took care of his vortexed HW30 .177 I will take it as "brand new" and work with it.
I looked on the sites for prices of new rifles in AOA and to me they seem about 20-50 dollars higher. The used rifles on AOA (and pistols) are not selling.
There WAS a Tarantula .22 available at AOA some time back that I was ready to buy but didn't and it's gone. No wonder.
Anybody know the Tarantula besides me here? Anybody know the Black Widow .22 that came after the Tarantula?
I must be really old.
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Oh I forgot to add the AOA used site shows some huge caliber rifle and a lot of old cheap handgun CO2s which to me are worthless in the first place for that many years old.
But if you spend on a new HW98 you will NEVER regret it.
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AoA has a lot of old cheap handgun CO2s which to me are worthless in the first place for that many years old. Quote from above^^^^
Are you talking about the Crosman 150s?? Boy, you don't know what your missing with the vintage guns.
Yes, I remember the FX Tarantula...I own both the Timberwolf and Axsor.
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It is worth EXACTLY what another person is willing to pay for it. No more, no less.
Say I have a gun that I want $1000 for it, but you only want to pay $900. If I decide to sell it for $900 then YOU determined the "worth", if I decide to NOT sell it for $900 then I determined the "worth", Agree? if you don't agree then why didn't you get the gun for $900?
Buying and selling is a 2 way street, especially when it is something no longer produced.
It is worth exactly what somebody else is willing to pay.
If you only offer $900 but another person is willing to pay $1000, then the "object" is worth $1000.
So the bottom line is something's price is always determined by the buyer. If no buyers deems a $1000 PCP is worth $1000, then the seller must drop the price or go back to storing the PCP.
People who are willing to spend the money for an ansked price are the ones allowing those asked prices to be what they are. If nobody buys at the given cost, then the price drops- simple economics.
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I'd say it is a money laundering scheme? :o I always wonder of these almost new or unshot ones are provided by vendors to people for service or marketing and then sold off later. If you are paid in goods you tend not to use them very much as they loose value. Who buys a non-collectible airgun and doesnt shoot it? Plenty of these on ebay.
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I'd say it is a money laundering scheme? :o I always wonder of these almost new or unshot ones are provided by vendors to people for service or marketing and then sold off later. If you are paid in goods you tend not to use them very much as they loose value. Who buys a non-collectible airgun and doesnt shoot it? Plenty of these on ebay.
If one buys used one surely knows what one is getting into.........
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Cost of manufacture for the new guns can also dictate used gun prices. It's mostly true when it comes to automobiles, new technology makes them more powerful, more fuel efficient, and more creature comforts. But labor costs go up to meet cost of living demands for workers and the cost of materials also rises as resources are consumed. This also applies usually to mechanical items. If the new product cost increases a certain percentage then the cost of an older model will normally retain more value on resale due to the spread in price from new to used. Electronic devices are the opposite, they become obsolete and value drops substantially once the new model is out.
The ball game changes if the particular older product had some highly desirable feature about it that is no longer available or if quality of newer items have gone down. The older model then has the potential to increase in value beyond what it originally cost brand new if the production numbers were small or if very few remain in good working condition.
As far as airguns and related items go, there are times when used items are posted for sale on various sites and may either be overpriced or might be reasonable depending on how the person cared for their gear and whether or not the item description is truthful. Weighing all the factors mentioned I usually tend to pay fairly close to what a seller is asking for something I'm interested in. I always put myself in the seller's shoes when agreeing to a price since no one wants to be insulted with an obvious low ball offer on something they took really good care of and honestly describes any minor flaws during the sale.
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Baby Boomers and younger are finding themselves now with disposable income and want to relive their youth.
Like it or not, Covid 19 forced sales of "Stay at Home / Outdoor sports" through the friggin roof! I could not buy a Kayak this summer to save my arse!!!!
Then you have the preppers who recently got a stimulus check and about to receive another.
Lastly is the guys who got Christmas money and are willing to bid up to get what they want.
Perfect storm for airgun sales..... New ones were non existent due to plant closures (Covid) and so used ones get top money.