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Title: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 26, 2020, 10:26:47 AM
I've wanted a TX200 for a long time...  Not sure why- I'm not a big springer guy.  I have an idea in my head for whatever reason, to assemble a "perfect" (TO ME) TX200 rifle.  I haven't acquired a rifle yet, as I've been focusing on other projects.  But I may very well pick one up soon, just to have one...

I know, I'm going to be doing some things probably EVERYONE considers blasphemy.  But at the end of the day, it's my rifle.  This isn't going to be a fast project either.  Not sure how long it'll take, but I'll certainly take y'all along on the journey. 

Anyhoo, I found this vid a while ago:
https://youtu.be/0UIzKdmX6T8 (https://youtu.be/0UIzKdmX6T8)

This vid only served to BOOST my interest in the TX200.  I'm a weird one (many of you already know that!), and I've always been a bit enamored by .20 caliber.  Not sure why.  Probably because it's a odd caliber.  But out of all the guns I've owned over the years, my .20's have always exceeded expectations.

But I digress.  The plan is this:

-  TX200 Mk3 rifle
-  Shorten the shroud and cocking lever
-  Convert to .20
-  Re-assemble with a Tony Leach 22mm piston kit

Not sure what I'll do for the stock, but this post by Nitrocrushr has really peaked my interest!!  For now, this is the probable route I'll go when the time comes...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=178425.msg156039490#msg156039490 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=178425.msg156039490#msg156039490)

As stated in the vid, I'm not really shortening the factory rifle barrel length.  I plan on copying the barrel dimensions exactly.  I'm only going to modify the length of the shroud and cocking lever.  In the end, it'll LOOK like a carbine, but it won't actually BE a carbine.  I'm not sure how to word that...

So that's it then:  a sub 12fpe  .20 caliber "carbine".

I've been collecting parts for a while, the last thing to get is a new trigger blade.  I'll worry about the stock later, as my feelings may change.  Though, that CS1000 is the bees knees!! 

-  Tony Leach 22mm skirtless conversion kit
-  12 fpe factory spring
-  Maccari forged fore end bracket
-  LW .20 barrel

Not sure how often I'll update, but I WILL update this thread.
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: DonC on November 26, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
Field Target shooters prefer .177 caliber for accuracy. If you want to experience pellets near the weight of 20 cal you can shoot JSB Monsters. I am pretty sure a Leach kit would prefer 8.4 grain maximum however.
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: WildCJ5 on November 26, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
There is a video somewhere on YouTube of a guy heating the shroud for removal. What about starting with the TX200HC? It’s already short.

 I have the Maccari version from decades ago, 2nd rifle in the pic. Mine is hollowed out and filled with lead. Weight is around 16lbs. Pain to lug around but a joy to shoot. I do prefer them in .177.

https://www.customstock.co.uk/shop/ (https://www.customstock.co.uk/shop/)

Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: WildCJ5 on November 26, 2020, 11:14:15 AM
I just did this one for a buddy. It is off a mk1 he just got. It was in ok shape just dirty and dry. I steamed, sanded with 2,000 grit and gave it as much oil as it would take.

Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: AmBraCol on November 26, 2020, 11:53:46 AM
A friend over in the UK just finished up a TX200 in 5.0 mm (.20 cal).  I don't recall off the top of my head all the things he did, but he did a thorough job of it and  it turned out snazzy.  Many of the Brits prefer the larger calibers as they're limited to the same power level regardless.  The only fly in the ointment as far as the .20 goes is the relatively small choice in pellets.  Opting for a quality barrel should make that not a very big issue.

Here's the link to the thread he did on The Airgunners Shed (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theairgunnersshed/tx200-changing-caliber-to-5mm-t1096.html).
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 26, 2020, 03:43:47 PM
...I am pretty sure a Leach kit would prefer 8.4 grain maximum however.

Not sure why- his kits should be fine to use in either .177 or .22.  Regardless, I'm thinking about dropping Mr. Leach a line to find out if .20 will be okay with one of his 22mm kits.  It was one of the things I've been thinking on, since TX200's don't come in .20.  EDIT:  I've posted over at Lost Volume to see if there would be anything wrong with running a Leach 22mm piston kit in a .20.  We'll see what is said. 

There is a video somewhere on YouTube of a guy heating the shroud for removal. What about starting with the TX200HC? It’s already short.

 I have the Maccari version from decades ago, 2nd rifle in the pic. Mine is hollowed out and filled with lead. Weight is around 16lbs. Pain to lug around but a joy to shoot. I do prefer them in .177.

The video I linked above does show shroud and barrel removal.  The TX200 Carbine has a physically shorter barrel, in addition to a shorter shroud and cocking lever.  What would be interesting is if the TX200 Carbine's shroud is the same length as a Rifle's barrel...  That would make the job a little easier- just get a Carbine like you said, and simply make a longer barrel.  If anyone  knows if this is the case, please chime in!!  I wish Mr.  Maccari still made stocks!!  Also- that stock you did up looks gorgeous!!

A friend over in the UK just finished up a TX200 in 5.0 mm (.20 cal).  I don't recall off the top of my head all the things he did, but he did a thorough job of it and  it turned out snazzy.  Many of the Brits prefer the larger calibers as they're limited to the same power level regardless.  The only fly in the ointment as far as the .20 goes is the relatively small choice in pellets.  Opting for a quality barrel should make that not a very big issue.

Here's the link to the thread he did on The Airgunners Shed (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theairgunnersshed/tx200-changing-caliber-to-5mm-t1096.html).

Thanks for that link, I'll be sure to check it out!  .20 has always had a relatively low selection of ammo choices, so that's nothing new.  I think the LW is the only choice in barrels, unless I repurpose say, an HW barrel...  Not too many companies make a .20.   

EDIT:  That link won't work for me- for some reason Tapatalk isn't letting me log-in to view it.  I have an account, it's just being stoopid.

Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: AmBraCol on November 26, 2020, 06:23:51 PM
Here's the group link. 

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theairgunnersshed/ (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theairgunnersshed/)


Scroll down to "Springers".  Scroll down to  "TX200 Changing Caliber to 5mm.." by solarB41
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 26, 2020, 08:19:36 PM
Whew!  I do NOT like that forum's set up.  It is not navigation friendly...

No "Springer" gate is there.  At least not visible to me.  Did a search for "TX200 changing caliber to 5mm", nothing.  Did a search for "solarB41" and looked at his "recent posts" all the way back to 2018, not a single mention of a TX200.  So I guess I won't be looking at that thread!  ;D ;D

Oh- I did get a response on the Lost Volume FB page- basically, there's no real issue running a .20, it's simply a matter of tuning to set it up properly.  So if anything, it'll be more fiddly to set up initially.  More than likely somewhere between a .177 and a .22, with regard to how many coils to clip.  So what'll probably happen is that 2 coils will be cut, then add a shim or two to fine tune it. 
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: Nitrocrushr on November 26, 2020, 09:45:45 PM
Hi Tom, I’ll be looking forward to following your project!  This will be an interesting one😎

My TX .177 that I have in my CS1000 stock is a 22mm x 92mm stroke.  I have a custom 22mm x 85mm stroke kit on the way from Tony.  This has his new glided comp tube.  While this kit was primarily built for my TX200 .22 caliber, I am also going to test in my .177.


Steve
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 26, 2020, 10:57:32 PM
Hi Tom, I’ll be looking forward to following your project!  This will be an interesting one😎

My TX .177 that I have in my CS1000 stock is a 22mm x 92mm stroke.  I have a custom 22mm x 85mm stroke kit on the way from Tony.  This has his new glided comp tube.  While this kit was primarily built for my TX200 .22 caliber, I am also going to test in my .177.


Steve

I was hoping you would pop by!  Given your experience with these kits, do you think setting one up in .20 would be any more complicated than .177 or .22?
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: AmBraCol on November 27, 2020, 12:51:01 AM
Whew!  I do NOT like that forum's set up.  It is not navigation friendly...

No "Springer" gate is there.  At least not visible to me.  Did a search for "TX200 changing caliber to 5mm", nothing.  Did a search for "solarB41" and looked at his "recent posts" all the way back to 2018, not a single mention of a TX200.  So I guess I won't be looking at that thread!  ;D ;D


Odd.  It's definitely different from here, but the Springers are there, under the "The Shed" section towards the top. Looking forward to how your project works out.  Have been watching the reduced diameter setups for a while now. Not curious enough about them to try one though.  :D So am glad you're willing to give it a shot, or several.  ;)
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 27, 2020, 01:31:17 AM
Mr. Leach responded on that FB post I made- he suggested 90mm stroke, due to possible interference from the anti-bear trap.

Odd.  It's definitely different from here, but the Springers are there, under the "The Shed" section towards the top. Looking forward to how your project works out.  Have been watching the reduced diameter setups for a while now. Not curious enough about them to try one though.  :D So am glad you're willing to give it a shot, or several.  ;)

I did click on "the shed", and the only main gates I see are "SSP", "Trigger's Broom", "Barrels", "Signatures", and "Triggers".  That's it.  I appreciate the help though!!
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 27, 2020, 02:13:52 AM
I was looking at the Rifle vs. the HC, and interestingly the barrels are about the same: 13".  Well, going off of PA's spec sheets, 13.19" vs. 13".  The HC has some baffles in front of the muzzle, and the HC is only 2"+ shorter than the rifle, if everything else is the same.  Since there's baffles in the HC, the barrel shroud could be shortened even further w/o fussing w/the barrel length.  Interesting. 

Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: Nitrocrushr on November 27, 2020, 04:48:32 AM
I was looking at the Rifle vs. the HC, and interestingly the barrels are about the same: 13".  Well, going off of PA's spec sheets, 13.19" vs. 13".  The HC has some baffles in front of the muzzle, and the HC is only 2"+ shorter than the rifle, if everything else is the same.  Since there's baffles in the HC, the barrel shroud could be shortened even further w/o fussing w/the barrel length.  Interesting.

The HC Barrels are about 9”.  I prefer the rifle over the HC, but thats just me. 

Steve
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 27, 2020, 09:09:34 AM
The HC Barrels are about 9”.  I prefer the rifle over the HC, but thats just me. 
Steve

See, now THAT's interesting!!  So PA's description is wrong.  Again, I'm glad you said something!!  Would you happen to know the difference in length between a HC vs. Rifle barrel shroud?  Because I may actually be able to simply get a HC, and when I re-barrel, just make a longer barrel (no longer than a Rifle's barrel) to fit the shroud.  No need to get complicated with it! 
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 27, 2020, 04:15:51 PM
Due to some shuffling of project ideas, I have a .20 HW barrel to use for this project!!  ;D ;D ;D

I think I am going to get a Carbine version after all, and simply make the barrel match the barrel shroud, w/o the baffles.  It's accomplishing the same goal, with less work.
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: Rick67 on November 27, 2020, 04:32:59 PM
Hi Tom, I’ll be looking forward to following your project!  This will be an interesting one😎

My TX .177 that I have in my CS1000 stock is a 22mm x 92mm stroke.  I have a custom 22mm x 85mm stroke kit on the way from Tony.  This has his new glided comp tube.  While this kit was primarily built for my TX200 .22 caliber, I am also going to test in my .177.


Steve

I have seen that one, Mr. Steve.

I have full respect for people who do things like they are assembling a Swiss wristwatch  ;D

I remember 2 motor mechanics who would always wipe their tools even after using it just to loosen or tighten something.

Those two were so precise in their movements it was like robotic  ;D

It was like: loosen/tighten a single screw, then pull out their clean cotton rags and wipe the screw driver  :o  ;D
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: Nitrocrushr on November 27, 2020, 05:15:33 PM
The HC Barrels are about 9”.  I prefer the rifle over the HC, but thats just me. 
Steve

See, now THAT's interesting!!  So PA's description is wrong.  Again, I'm glad you said something!!  Would you happen to know the difference in length between a HC vs. Rifle barrel shroud?  Because I may actually be able to simply get a HC, and when I re-barrel, just make a longer barrel (no longer than a Rifle's barrel) to fit the shroud.  No need to get complicated with it!

Yeah their specs have been wrong for a while on this.  I’m not sure on the differences in shroud length between the two.  Hopefully someone who has both can chime in on this one.  I believe that the rifle length barrel would stick past the HC shroud a tiny bit but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: Nitrocrushr on November 27, 2020, 05:20:26 PM
Hi Tom, I’ll be looking forward to following your project!  This will be an interesting one😎

My TX .177 that I have in my CS1000 stock is a 22mm x 92mm stroke.  I have a custom 22mm x 85mm stroke kit on the way from Tony.  This has his new glided comp tube.  While this kit was primarily built for my TX200 .22 caliber, I am also going to test in my .177.


Steve

I have seen that one, Mr. Steve.

I have full respect for people who do things like they are assembling a Swiss wristwatch  ;D

I remember 2 motor mechanics who would always wipe their tools even after using it just to loosen or tighten something.

Those two were so precise in their movements it was like robotic  ;D

It was like: loosen/tighten a single screw, then pull out their clean cotton rags and wipe the screw driver  :o  ;D

Well I’m not quite that clean with my tools, but can relate to that very well😁 Now my rifles, I dont even like seeing smudges on them when going from work bench to shooting bench for testing.  Between every trip to the work bench for tuning, they get thoroughly wiped down before going back to the shooting bench👍

Steve
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 27, 2020, 07:54:40 PM
Yeah their specs have been wrong for a while on this.  I’m not sure on the differences in shroud length between the two.  Hopefully someone who has both can chime in on this one.  I believe that the rifle length barrel would stick past the HC shroud a tiny bit but I could be wrong.

Not a big deal.  How long is a rifle barrel?

Like I said, I can simply make the new barrel nearly as long as the HC shroud.  If it's a touch shorter than a standard rifle barrel *shrug*  It'll still be longer than 9"
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 30, 2020, 11:48:38 AM
Interesting find:  TX200SR...  a recoilless TX200...  rides on a rail with bearings.  HMMM!!!  Seems to be a simple enough concept.  I may have to start contemplating DIY'ing something similar.  The SR's only had a run of 6 years or so I think, so I don't think there are many out there- let alone any in the States.  At least, probably not for a price I'd want to pay...  Hmmmm!!!!  Recoilless .20 TX200 HCSR, with a Leach 22mm conversion.  Bee's knees!!

I'll post a feeler in the classified section to see if there are any SR's out there, and how much people are looking to get, if they're willing to part with them.  I'm also going to send Mr. Leach a quick message to see if his 22mm kit will work w/a Mk2 TX200.  There's not that much difference between the two generations, so that's a maybe.  I'll post back when I have more info.

Side note:  Rifle barrel is 13.3" or there abouts, HC barrel is 9.5" or there abouts.  O.D. is around 16mm maybe?

Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 30, 2020, 12:22:27 PM
Nevermind about the SR!  As per Tony Leach, it's cheaper and more simple to just convert a Mk3.  The lack of recoil due to the 22mm kit in addition to more fiddling makes the conversion of a SR a big PITA.  He does have a kit that would work well with a SR, but it's still a big PITA to get running correctly.  As per Mr. Leach, a properly converted and tuned Mk3 will outperform a SR by a large margin...  So there you have it!  Sticking to a Mk3.
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: WildCJ5 on November 30, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
I have an SR and a MK3 that I tuned down to 12fpe in a target stock full of lead.

The SR is harder to cock. It does have a more pleasant shot cycle because of the sled but it isn’t any more accurate than my regular TX. I would actually give the accuracy nod to the standard gun. But the SR is cool.

The SR is the closest gun in the picture.
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: Nitrocrushr on November 30, 2020, 01:18:21 PM
Nevermind about the SR!  As per Tony Leach, it's cheaper and more simple to just convert a Mk3.  The lack of recoil due to the 22mm kit in addition to more fiddling makes the conversion of a SR a big PITA.  He does have a kit that would work well with a SR, but it's still a big PITA to get running correctly.  As per Mr. Leach, a properly converted and tuned Mk3 will outperform a SR by a large margin...  So there you have it!  Sticking to a Mk3.

Good move👍 I just now saw your post and know that Tony wasn’t as fond of the SR as compared to the MKlll.  I also see your barrel specs listed, and yes I believe the HC is a slightly larger diameter barrel.  I’m surprised the specs havent been updated on the PA website.  They’ve had the HC barrels listed incorrectly for years. 
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on November 30, 2020, 04:30:51 PM
Tony is pretty awesome- I hit him up on FB Messenger and he responded immediately!  Saved me a lot of trouble as well.  I'm greatful.

I just thought it would be a cool idea- as I do like the recoilless idea that the FWB 300 and RWS 54 use.  A simple design that works.  I appreciate the insight on the SR gents!!  Cool piece of airgun history!

No bother though- I'm still moving forward with this weird build plan I have.   ;D
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on December 16, 2020, 12:35:29 PM
I haven't forgotten about this idea- I've got a lead on some trigger components to add to the list of things to do.  I think I may keep it a .177, but I still like the idea of having a full length barrel in a HC sleeve.  I'm really looking forward to this build!
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: Nitrocrushr on December 16, 2020, 12:42:00 PM
I haven't forgotten about this idea- I've got a lead on some trigger components to add to the list of things to do.  I think I may keep it a .177, but I still like the idea of having a full length barrel in a HC sleeve.  I'm really looking forward to this build!

There is quite a bit of enjoyment in taking a project from a vision, to a completed rifle😁
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on December 16, 2020, 02:39:09 PM
There is quite a bit of enjoyment in taking a project from a vision, to a completed rifle😁

I agree 100%! 
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: smack6969 on December 28, 2020, 01:27:55 AM
I have a TX200 that is already converted to .20...I think its HC though.

If you follow through with the barrel change, I am very interested in the skirtless piston kit!

Also, I am blessed with a TX 200 SR that performs amazingly well.  It is way more accurate than any standard TX200 that I have ever shot.  It was actually on par accuracy wise with a FWB300 that I used to own.
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on December 28, 2020, 11:17:58 AM
I have a TX200 that is already converted to .20...I think its HC though.

If you follow through with the barrel change, I am very interested in the skirtless piston kit!

Also, I am blessed with a TX 200 SR that performs amazingly well.  It is way more accurate than any standard TX200 that I have ever shot.  It was actually on par accuracy wise with a FWB300 that I used to own.

Those SR's sure are interesting guns!! 

The .20 conversion will be done to a HC, it would be easier than to modify all the rifle components... 

There's a gentleman working on some new trigger components over in the UK- some of the benchrest shooters across the pond using the TX200 seem to like them VERY much.  So I'm currently waiting on those parts as well.   
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: Nitrocrushr on December 28, 2020, 01:42:26 PM
I have a TX200 that is already converted to .20...I think its HC though.

If you follow through with the barrel change, I am very interested in the skirtless piston kit!

Also, I am blessed with a TX 200 SR that performs amazingly well.  It is way more accurate than any standard TX200 that I have ever shot.  It was actually on par accuracy wise with a FWB300 that I used to own.

There's a gentleman working on some new trigger components over in the UK- some of the benchrest shooters across the pond using the TX200 seem to like them VERY much.  So I'm currently waiting on those parts as well.

Me too😁 Talk about precision, these sears should be as close to perfect as it gets.

Steve
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on December 28, 2020, 01:50:46 PM
Me too😁 Talk about precision, these sears should be as close to perfect as it gets.

Steve

That's what I'm hoping- the reports I've read about those sears is outstanding!  I see your posts on Lost Volume!  ;)
Title: Re: TX200 Musings
Post by: YEMX on April 07, 2021, 09:37:18 AM
No real updates- I'm on the hunt for a TX200 currently.  I didn't think supply would dry up! ???  I did get some new trigger components in from the UK though- Pic below.  Unless some other aftermarket part becomes available that I think would add to a TX200's overall function, I think I'm done buying aftermarket tuning goodies!  *snaps fingers* Forgot about screw cups...  I'll need a set of those!  ;D ;D I'd like to follow Nitrocrushr's lead, and do all the bedding and pillar/screw cup work, but to a factory stock. There's another stock route I might take, but that'll have to wait.  I'll need to make a A LOT of measurements before I decide...   

New trigger components:
(https://i.imgur.com/sMgGIfg.jpg)