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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Machine Shop Talk & AG Parts Machining => Wood Chop Shop (Working with wood) => Topic started by: Kid Shelleen on October 31, 2020, 02:42:41 PM
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I tried to search this topic without much success. I'm trying to clean and touch up the finish on an old CMP 853 stock. I know very little about wood stock finished and was hoping for some advice. At this point I'm just trying to clean and touch up some of the worn places on the wood. I've read that 0000 steel wool and mineral spirits is a good way of cleaning a stock but am not sure if that only applies to military-type stocks with a boiled linseed oil finish. I'm also not sure how to touch up the really worn spots. The front of the stock also has been marked with a large letter "A" on both sides with a wide ink magic marker. So I think my questions are:
1. What type of finish does the Daisy 853 wood stock have?
2. Can I clean off the somewhat heavy grime from the stock with steel wool and mineral spirits?
3. What should I use to touch up the really worn spots on the wood?
4. Is there a way of getting most or all of the marker ink stain out of the wood?
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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1- Unfortunately I don't know.
2- You may try that, I also used mild all-surfaces household detergent on a rag with good results.
3- TruOil, or Minwax Antique oil.
4- Maybe furniture stripper would do.
HTH.
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Thank you Happy. I think I will try the mild household detergent first. As long as I don't get the stock too wet, it should be fine and I can still try other alternatives if that doesn't get it all off. I think I have some Minwax Antique oil, so I may try that. I'm reluctant to use the furniture stripper because I will probably have to really refinish the stock after that.
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Thank you Happy. I think I will try the mild household detergent first. As long as I don't get the stock too wet, it should be fine and I can still try other alternatives if that doesn't get it all off. I think I have some Minwax Antique oil, so I may try that. I'm reluctant to use the furniture stripper because I will probably have to really refinish the stock after that.
You're welcome! Maybe acetone on a Qtip would remove the ink mark without affecting too much the finish, followed by a light buffing with 0000 steel wool. Good luck, and if you can please post pictures of the result.
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Don't know how well this would work on wood, but on metal, (aluminum and steel) simple isopropyl alcohol will remove Sharpie permanent marker. If you have an alcohol wipe you can use it. That's what I use in the shop. Might want to test it in a small area first! Good luck.
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Thanks Happy and Bruce. I did some searching for the general question of how to take permanent marker ink off wood. Most discussed furniture which was finished and a few talked about untreated wood. For finished wood (I'm assuming some form of stain with wax/oil coating or stain with clear varnish type finish, some of the recommendations were isopropyl alcohol, standard tooth paste, finger nail polish remover, hair spray and a few others. I tried the isopropyl alcohol and it did remove about half the ink but also removed some of the finish and the area was a lot lighter then the untreated area. The toothpaste did almost nothing. I suspect that because the stocks are old and well used, the finish is thin or almost gone and the ink has penetrated a little deeper into the wood. At this point, it looks like whatever I try, I will probably have to try to restore the extra light area, if I can. If not, I may have do something tricky, like finish just the front two inches of the stock a little darker than the rest or something like that. I'm going to try the acetone next on a very small area, but I think that will make the wood even lighter. We'll see. It would really help if I knew what the original finish is. It's just really hard to tell because it's so old and worn. Yes, I'll post some photos as I go along so anyone else that needs to do this will have an idea of what may work and what will not work. I forgot to take a photo of what it started out looking like but most folks will have a general idea of what a permanent ink marker, on an old wood stock would look like. It started out looking dark and to me looked like it had soaked into the wood. Rubbing it gently with isopropyl alcohol and a Qtip, removed about 20% of the stain. Rubbing it hard with the alcohol removed about 50% or a little more but also remove some of the finish and that area of the wood around the ink was about 30 - 40% lighter.
This is what the area looked like after the hard rubbing with the alcohol:
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May I suggest wiping the affected area with a clean cloth moistened with mineral spirits.
While wet mineral spirits provide a reasonable impression of the look the wood will have when refinished.
Never can tell
Maybe it won't look too bad
Hope this helps
Ed
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Ed, tried the mineral spirits wipe and did not see a noticeable change in appearance. It was neither darker nor lighter and the ink mark was still the same. I think that means that there is still a fair amount of finish in the cleaned part of the wood to prevent it from absorbing the mineral spirits (is that correct?).
Also, does anyone have a suggestion on where I can get information on what type of finish was put on these older 853 stocks. That would really help when trying to find what will help get the ink out and would be valuable if I have to refinish the entire stock.
I think I will try gently rubbing the ink with acetone next.
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Ed, tried the mineral spirits wipe and did not see a noticeable change in appearance. It was neither darker nor lighter and the ink mark was still the same. I think that means that there is still a fair amount of finish in the cleaned part of the wood to prevent it from absorbing the mineral spirits (is that correct?).
Also, does anyone have a suggestion on where I can get information on what type of finish was put on these older 853 stocks. That would really help when trying to find what will help get the ink out and would be valuable if I have to refinish the entire stock.
I think I will try gently rubbing the ink with acetone next.
Yes Mike, I believe that is correct
In the photo there appears to be finish remaining in that area as well.
IMO you will be very fortunate if it turns out the marker did not penetrate through the finish and seep into the wood.
The unfortunate part is that you will probably have removed the finish to learn that.
Sorry I cannot be of real help
I saw your post in the other forum
Perhaps Daisy owners will speak up
Older than dirt also, BTW
Ed
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I refinished one of the stocks. I posted pictures here on the forum so I’m betting if you search my name it will pull up. I gave the rifle to a neighbor so I can’t post new pictures.
I took the finish all the way off. It was thin and easy to remove with just sandpaper. I then sanded all the way up to 2000 grit. Way overkill but I had the paper and furloughed from work.
The wood was almost white and I liked that so I just rubbed it with blo cut with thinner. It felt like glass when I was done.