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Airguns by Make and Model => Diana Airguns => Topic started by: 35 shooter on October 13, 2020, 12:52:59 AM
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PA has a supply of supposedly new 350 magnums in .177 with T05 triggers.
First question.. what was the last year the t05 trigger was used on these rifles?
Second question.. are there any differences in parts on the older guns other than the triggers?
The reason I ask is I know the newer models have the t06 triggers? Just wondering if there are any other differences.
I was really wanting one in .22 cal., as I felt the larger bore would make more efficient use of the power plant, but the t05 in 177 is available for $100.00 dollars cheaper than the to6 trigger model.
Good deal or not?
Thanks for any info.
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I honestly don't recall the exact year they went from T05 to T06. It was about five years ago. The trigger group changed, obviously, and I believe there was some change in the piston as well. I do know the scope rail changed between T05 and T06. The newer rail is longer and has two fully through drilled scope stop holes instead of the depressions in the T05 rail. Other than those differences they should be the same. You can turn the .177 into a .22 by swapping the barrel. Unfortunately it would be less expensive for you to just purchase the T06 outright in .22 if that was your wish. I inquired about a Diana 34 barrel a couple years ago. The barrel alone was $160 from Umarex. Either way, good luck on your decision.
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Buy the rifle u want, if u want a T06 .22cal buy that! I will say this as a warning to you! In the last yrs of the T05 production the 34's and 350"s had Chinese barrels on them!!!!! their a 12 land barrel, not the standard German 8 land barrels! I purchased 2 34's in this time frame of production T05's and I was not very happy with them! I think this is why u still see a lot of New Old Stock T05 rifles still for sale! :o
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The 350 Mag is a pretty senseless buy in .177 cal - been there. You'll have a four-foot long log of a gun with a hefty recoil, that provides just a tiny bit more KE than an infinitely more maneuverable HW95 in .22 cal. Pelletier agrees with me: the 350 Mag is a .22 cal gun.
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The 350 Mag is a pretty senseless buy in .177 cal - been there. You'll have a four-foot long log of a gun with a hefty recoil, that provides just a tiny bit more KE than an infinitely more maneuverable HW95 in .22 cal. Pelletier agrees with me: the 350 Mag is a .22 cal gun.
+1, buy the 350 in .22.
Don't be penny wise and pound foolish! ;D
-Y
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Just in case u still want to save $100, here is a 350 in .177 with T06-
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1828980 (https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1828980)
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I honestly don't recall the exact year they went from T05 to T06. It was about five years ago. The trigger group changed, obviously, and I believe there was some change in the piston as well. I do know the scope rail changed between T05 and T06. The newer rail is longer and has two fully through drilled scope stop holes instead of the depressions in the T05 rail. Other than those differences they should be the same. You can turn the .177 into a .22 by swapping the barrel. Unfortunately it would be less expensive for you to just purchase the T06 outright in .22 if that was your wish. I inquired about a Diana 34 barrel a couple years ago. The barrel alone was $160 from Umarex. Either way, good luck on your decision.
Thanks Thomas,
That’s the kind of info I was looking for.
PA is out of stock on the t06 models right now, but I may wait till they have some more.
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Buy the rifle u want, if u want a T06 .22cal buy that! I will say this as a warning to you! In the last yrs of the T05 production the 34's and 350"s had Chinese barrels on them!!!!! their a 12 land barrel, not the standard German 8 land barrels! I purchased 2 34's in this time frame of production T05's and I was not very happy with them! I think this is why u still see a lot of New Old Stock T05 rifles still for sale! :o
Yep, the Chinese bbl. would be a deal killer for me.
If I wanted Chinese, i’d Just buy a xs28 (Chinese 350 clone) for an even cheaper price.
I’ll try to check on the bbls.; if they’re not sure, I think i’ll pass on this deal and wait for the t06 to be back in stock.
Glad I posted some questions on this before just jumping in.
Thank you!
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Good point with having Chinese barrels.I remember years back every manufacturer was having price increases except them...until someone figured out them swapping barrels.
I had a 350 mag for a while in .22 with german barrel...it was ok.
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I still have a copy of the letter that Diana sent me concerning the outsourced barrels that is dated March 2010.
It states that the Diana 34 was expected to switch back to German barrels mid-year, and that the Diana 350 had already went back to German barrels.
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Ya but you don't know when these rifles were produced that their sell as NOS? Diana dropped the ball on these rifles, I would not buy 1 unless the seller could confirm it a German barrel and that's the 1 u were getting? :o
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Just got off the phone with Ruth( I think that was her name) at PA.
I was told there was no way she could confirm how many lands the bbls. had.
Think i’ll wait for the t06 to be back in stock.
I think the longer rail, t06 trigger, and the knowledge it will have the German bbl. is more than worth the extra dollars for my peace of mind.
:o ;)
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I had a ruger air magnum years ago which is a chicom knockoff of the 350 and it was accurate and made quite a bit more KE (19 fp) than any hw95 I ever heard of. There are more heavy pellets available these days too. I’d love to shoot some 13 gr jsb’s in a Diana magnum.
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The D34 .22 cal in my avatar has the Chinese barrel. A case of my not asking before buying. But it is a laser. Squirrel head shots to 40 yards, groundhogs dropped in their tracks at 25. I've no regrets.
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Some shoot good some don't , mine would not shoot past 10yds before they opened up to unacceptable groupings, :o
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Talked to my “main man” at PA today again about when the t06 versions would be available again and he said they’re over due now.
I asked him about the bbl. situation on the t05’s they have in stock.
He agreed to send me one(paid for of course) to look at and if it’s not what I want he’ll send a shipping label to send it back and a full refund.
Also said to the best of his knowledge, these are late models just before the t06 came out and was pretty sure they have German bbls.
I’ll order one in the morning and let you guys know about what I find on the bbl. when it arrives.
It’s a “can’t lose deal” so i’ll bite lol. If it’s got 12 lands i’ll send it back on they’re dollar and pre order a t06 instead of a refund.
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It’s a “can’t lose deal” so i’ll bite lol. If it’s got 12 lands i’ll send it back on they’re dollar and pre order a t06 instead of a refund.
Hi Buddy, not sure why you are not considering this deal of readily available Diana 350 with T06 trigger for the same low price of $249.99 (+shipping) - https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1828980. (https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1828980) If you call, i'm sure they might be inclined to even waive the shipping considering matching offer from pyramidair. I think $17.50 shipping would be well worth the much better T06 trigger and confirmed german barrel (my 0.02)
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It’s a “can’t lose deal” so i’ll bite lol. If it’s got 12 lands i’ll send it back on they’re dollar and pre order a t06 instead of a refund.
Thanks for the link... I will check it out.
Hi Buddy, not sure why you are not considering this deal of readily available Diana 350 with T06 trigger for the same low price of $249.99 (+shipping) - https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1828980. (https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1828980) If you call, i'm sure they might be inclined to even waive the shipping considering matching offer from pyramidair. I think $17.50 shipping would be well worth the much better T06 trigger and confirmed german barrel (my 0.02)
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Triply,
Glad I looked at that link again, I missed the part about the t06 trigger in the description part before.
Definitely says t06.... i’ll Call them in the morning. :D
Also says free shipping on orders over $75.00!
Thank you very much.
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Barrel aside, I don't mind the t05 trigger. But given the choice most would probably take the t06.
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Just placed the order for a t06 177 cal. Diana 350 with Numrich Gun Parts Corp. for $249.00.
I asked to make sure they were’nt t05’s and was told they were not and could return on their dime and get a full refund if not as advertised.
Supposed to ship tommorrow.
If it truly is a t06 it”s a whale of a deal and was told they have a lot of them in stock... we shall see and i’ll let you guys know what I wind up with when I recieve it.
Even if it winds up being a t05 trigger it won’t get returned as long as it has the German bbl.
Thanks again for all the info. I know what to watch out for now.
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Just placed the order for a t06 177 cal. Diana 350 with Numrich Gun Parts Corp. for $249.00.
I asked to make sure they were’nt t05’s and was told they were not and could return on their dime and get a full refund if not as advertised.
Supposed to ship tommorrow.
If it truly is a t06 it”s a whale of a deal and was told they have a lot of them in stock... we shall see and i’ll let you guys know what I wind up with when I recieve it.
Even if it winds up being a t05 trigger it won’t get returned as long as it has the German bbl.
Thanks again for all the info. I know what to watch out for now.
Good news.
Now figure out you initial cleaning and prep procedure. ;)
-Y
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Best to use the Diana ZR scope base on the 350 mag?
I know it’s droop compensating, which I may or may not need depending on how the bbl. lines up.
I’ve seen the utg droop compensating base recommended for it in a post or two in the past.
Still have’nt recieved shipping confirmation on the rifle yet.
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Depends. Mine has very little droop. I put a Hawke Airmax 3-9×40 on mine. And a shorter one piece mount. Everybody out of stock here re droop mounts. But fortunately not needed in my case. The scope is also magnum rated. It's held up for a couple thousand shots so far. And it does hold zero.
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Depends. Mine has very little droop. I put a Hawke Airmax 3-9×40 on mine. And a shorter one piece mount. Everybody out of stock here re droop mounts. But fortunately not needed in my case. The scope is also magnum rated. It's held up for a couple thousand shots so far. And it does hold zero.
Thanks!
Nice bunch of black phase squirrels there! Wish we had those around here more.
Lol, after 7 days they let me know they could’nt read the pic of my drivers license I sent in, had to do it over for them... recieving slated for Saturday by end of day.
May go with the Diana Zero base just because I have some cheaper( but proven tuff) scopes on hand to break it in with, then decide which scope i’ll Get for it in the end.
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I had a ruger air magnum years ago which is a chicom knockoff of the 350 and it was accurate and made quite a bit more KE (19 fp) than any hw95 I ever heard of. There are more heavy pellets available these days too. I’d love to shoot some 13 gr jsb’s in a Diana magnum.
Did you catch the .177 cal vs. .22 cal point?
My stock 350 Mag in .177 cal put out 18.4 ft.lbs at best. My stock HW95 in .22 cal put out 16.5 ft.lbs.
the .177 cal 350 Mag wastes so much energy it makes no sense. In .22 cal it blows the HWs out of the water.
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Just recieved the rifle from fed-x. It was double boxed and well padded.
Lol, I must admit I had my doubts this would be a t06 trigger model since PA had the to5’s for the same price, but it definitely says t06 on the reciever :D!
Fit and finish looks perfect along with a fairly nice grained beech stock. The pressed checkering on the stock is a bit deeper and more refined than I thought it would be.
All in all, a very nice looking air rifle.
I’ll have to get the girls at the local apple store to show me how to send pics from my phone... computer is on the blitz.
Weight seems perfect for offhand shooting and carry in the field as is, but will be on the heavy side once a scope base, rings, and scope is added for sure.
Now to clean the bbl. and try a few shots.
This one will eventually get a stock and bbl. sling swivels added for carrying in the field.
I think it’s a heck of a deal for $249.00 plus shipping. 8)
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Just had to clean the bbl. and shoot a few pellets through it before working this afternoon lol.
First thing I noticed... no hard recoil as I was lead to believe from researching this rifle?
Shot cycle quick with No Buzz or twang.
The weight of this rifle must do a good job of absorbing recoil as my gas ram crosman summit ranger in 22 cal. Is Much Harder than this rifle.
Cocking effort is deceiving as it starts out easy and does’nt get “hard” till the end of the stroke being a springer.... i’m In good shape for 67 years old and could cock and shoot this rifle all day.
Could’nt get a chrony reading on my Chinese shoot through chrony, low battery I think. Got it charging up now.
It may not give an accurate reading anyway as I had a deformed beeman pellet go 2 1/2” low from 3 ft. a week ago and shoot out 2 of the led lights on the right side. :o At least that’s my story and i’m sticking to it lol.
May have to wait for a new Caldwell chrony i’m going to order.
Cocking did sound a bit dry and rough and bbl. pivot is tight as a drum... needs adjusting just a bit looser I think.
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Just had to clean the bbl. and shoot a few pellets through it before working this afternoon lol.
First thing I noticed... no hard recoil as I was lead to believe from researching this rifle?
Shot cycle quick with No Buzz or twang.
The weight of this rifle must do a good job of absorbing recoil as my gas ram crosman summit ranger in 22 cal. Is Much Harder than this rifle.
Cocking effort is deceiving as it starts out easy and does’nt get “hard” till the end of the stroke being a springer.... i’m In good shape for 67 years old and could cock and shoot this rifle all day.
Could’nt get a chrony reading on my Chinese shoot through chrony, low battery I think. Got it charging up now.
It may not give an accurate reading anyway as I had a deformed beeman pellet go 2 1/2” low from 3 ft. a week ago and shoot out 2 of the led lights on the right side. :o At least that’s my story and i’m sticking to it lol.
May have to wait for a new Caldwell chrony i’m going to order.
Cocking did sound a bit dry and rough and bbl. pivot is tight as a drum... needs adjusting just a bit looser I think.
Congrats on the new rifle ! Seems your first impression is same as mine in every way. I don't understand the recoil hub bub either, it's just a pellet gun. And, yeah, my pivots were dry too. Lots of lube otherwise, mine took a tin of pellets before the dieseling relented. But no twang. And it settled in at 20.5 ft/lbs.
It smoked a limit of squirrels today, 10-45 yards. The 2 at 10 yards were offhand. Its heavy, but steady. The common theme is to hold these very light in every way, let them do their thing.
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WolfyW congrats on the squirrels. That’s definitely on my agenda too ;).
The only heavier pellets I had on hand were some 8.4 gr. Beeman pointed and some 10.5 gr. Crosman piranah’s.
I intially shot sitting at 5 yds. with the iron sights, which turned out centered and about 1 1/2” low, then ten yards standing into a ragged hole with the crosman.
After work I could’nt stand it and put on the only scope and mount I had laying around... a 3x9 barska 22 scope with cheap 2 piece rings lol.
1st 7 shots at 20 yds. benched went into 3/8” c!c.... first time i’ve the piranah’s hold up like that in any rifle.
I shot several more groups in the 3/8” to 5/8” range while adjusting the sights to center.
However, just before leaving for the gf’s house for supper, it started shooting all over the place.... finally figured out the weight of the rifle combined with the recoil had packed the sand in my front bag tight and hard. This rifle definitely does’nt like a hard rest. Did’nt have time to loosen the bag, so put my hand under the forearm on top of the bag and put the last three shots in another 3/8” group.
That was after about 50 shots and I thought the scope had gone bad, or the stock screws were loose, but everything was tight.
Tried the Beeman 8.4 gr. pellets, but they shot 2 to 4 “ vertically.
It seems to shoot well off the bags rested anywhere from the balance point on the forearm or up to the stock screws.
This rifle does’nt seem particularly rest(except from a hard rest) nor hold sensitive, but that opinion may change with more shooting and shooting at further distances.
One other thing I tried was shooting a true 1” pine board at 20 yds. The crosman piranah 10.5 gr. buried 3/4” to the head in it! I believe a pointed pellet may well have gone through it?
Wow...accurate and powerful.
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Dang, thought mine was unique in shooting it rested lol! If you look close at the pic I posted above, you'll see a small black circle on the stock below the sunshade. That's a piece of Velcro. Once I figured the hold it likes, I put that Velcro there where my thumb would be so the hold will be consistent. Just for giggles I rested the rifle on my shooting bag at 30 yards and shot a group, expecting a pie plate size. Instead, it was dime size. Repeatable. Brought my homemade cross sticks next time and it can be rested an inch ahead of that Velcro. Hence the squirrel sniping. My brother has the same in wood and checkering like yours. I've seen him drop squirrels to 54 yards. I wonder if the 350s would sell alot better if they weren't stigmatized and people realized they really are shooters. If.... you handle them to their liking. They shoot you, you don't shoot them.
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Wow, nice 30 yd. group for sure! I’m new to springers so i know I can’t judge it by what I did with it today.
lol, I may wake up tommorrow to find I don’t do so well with it.... we’ll see.
I held off ordering a base and scope for it till I determined if it needed droop compensation. From what I saw today it won’t be absolutely necessary.
May just get a utg one piece base and maybe a utg 4x12AO scope for it.
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Wow, nice 30 yd. group for sure! I’m new to springers so i know I can’t judge it by what I did with it today.
lol, I may wake up tommorrow to find I don’t do so well with it.... we’ll see.
I held off ordering a base and scope for it till I determined if it needed droop compensation. From what I saw today it won’t be absolutely necessary.
May just get a utg one piece base and maybe a utg 4x12AO scope for it.
Sounds like you got a good one. UTG on mine, too. Gotta like the trigger, too, eh ?
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Yep, forgot about the.trigger. It was set hairy from the factory. That’s the only thing that changed as I shot it.... it got a bit harder after about 30 shots... guess the trigger screw backed off a little?
It felt like a 2# trigger to start with... now i’d Guess about 2 1/2 maybe 2 /34#.
But yeah, I like it. Just a bit of take up slack, hit’s a definite wall, then breaks like glass.
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Well, my next shooting session did’nt go as well.
Groups with the Piranah pellets opened to over an inch at 20 yds. benched in some cases.
May just be my inexperience shooting springers or maybe the new bbl. needs cleaning again during break in?
I tried a lighter (Winchester dome) pellet, but it sounded like it border line detonated on me... still a lot of oil left in the compression chamber I suppose.
Got to order some different pellets to try in it from about 8.4 to 10 plus grains... can’t find anything locally much lately.
Looking forward to working with this rifle more!
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Apart from snugging stock screws, I like to pull a patch through the barrel every so often during the break in. Surprising how much gunk ends up in there from dieseling. Its surprising how specific they may want to be held, too. I can get away with alot with my HW 97. I discovered with my 350 it doesn't want to be held with an open palm nor all fingers wrapped around. It specifically wants just thumb and fore finger gripping the stock, at that specific location. Then magic happens. I had a large variety of pellets on hand already, but just one stood out from the rest. My opinion, keep shooting and breaking it in. When things settle in, then see what you have. Mine is. 22 cal, never shot one in .177. But any info I've seen says heavy pellet in .177 or bust. Yes, hard to find in these times. That virus really interrupted manufacturing.
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Sent you a coupla pm's 8)
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Managed to get a chrony avg. for the 10.5 gr. piranahs.... just a 4 shot avg. at 950fps. at 3 ft. from the chrony for 21 ft. lbs. That’s IF my chrony is still accurate. Had a 32 FPS. spread though... it’s still diesling a bit.
Also caught the cheap 2 piece rings sliding back on the rails bit by bit... may account for some of the random grouping I got today.
Tommorrow i’ll Probably order a BKL dropper base and a nice scope for it, plus a few other different brands of 10.5 gr. Pellets. :D
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Managed to get a chrony avg. for the 10.5 gr. piranahs.... just a 4 shot avg. at 950fps. at 3 ft. from the chrony for 21 ft. lbs. That’s IF my chrony is still accurate. Had a 32 FPS. spread though... it’s still diesling a bit.
Also caught the cheap 2 piece rings sliding back on the rails bit by bit... may account for some of the random grouping I got today.
Tommorrow i’ll Probably order a BKL dropper base and a nice scope for it, plus a few other different brands of 10.5 gr. Pellets. :D
What's written here:
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-diana-430l-second-entry (https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-diana-430l-second-entry)
Applies to ALL airguns as far as barrel "breaking in". It takes time and patience, but in the long run it will pay off big time.
HTH
HM
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Thanks for the link Hector.
In the meantime I ordered a 3x9x32 utg scope(for now), a BKL dropper base with 6 screws, and some crosman 10.5 gr. Domes, and some H&N 10.65 gr. Pellets.
I tightened the 2 piece bases down again and it’s right back shooting tight groups again from the bench.... can’t wait to get the BKL base and new scope on it.
Tired of tightening the bases after 25 to 30 shots lol, but it’s all I had on hand.
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Tightening bases and rings is normal, all my springers did that initially. They eventually stay tight. Doesn't take long.
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Recieved the scope, BKL dropper base, and rings, and the pellets today! :D
I really like the BKL one piece base and rings.
Got the scope mounted in short order and will try some new pellets out later tonight, though it’s still doing well with the piranah’s.
Have to work tommorrow, but should be ready for a field trip with it Sunday afternoon. :D
Still working on sending pics from my e-mail by phone... may just use a hosting site.
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Wow,
Crosman domes 10.5 gr. Load easy and shoot great out of this rifle! Impact was about 1/2” left and a 1/2” low from the crosman piranah’s.
I got some 3 shot groups less than 1/4” c/c at 20 yds. benched, but 5 shots ran 1/4 to 3/8”.
Also got some 1/2” groups at the same range, but could tell that’s me not paying enough attention to follow through after the shot.
Follow through is crucial with any gun when shooting, but evidently doubly important with a springer... especially one with a long stroke such as the 350.
This rifle can out shoot me for sure. According to the groups at 20 yds., this rifle should be 1/2” capable at 50 yds., but I doubt if my “ springer technique” is capable of it at this point.
Can’t wait to try it though.
I’ll be tickled with it if I can keep them in an inch at that range for now from a bench.
I’ve got some h&n’s 10.65 gr. to try also, but I don’t think I need to look any further than the crosman domes really.
I doubt I can shoot any pellet better than what i’m doing now at this point. Need a lot more trigger time before I can say i’m a springer shooter.
I certainly see what all the hoopla about shooting springers is about now though... this is the most fun i’ve had with Any airgun!
I’m officially hooked! 8)
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That's some exciting news ! Very happy to hear how things are working out so far. Ya the follow through on the trigger is critical, squeeze straight back and keep squeezing the trigger back well after the shot goes off. Always a double bonus to gave a rifle that likes Crosmans, if you hunt. The harder lead really hits game harder.
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Thanks Wolfy,
Going to do some offhand practice tonight and hit the woods tommorrow afternoon with it. :D
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Looking forward to story and pics 8)
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Well, no field trip with it yet. lol, I said the D350 did’nt seem to have the hard recoil i’ve read of so much, or the weight of the rifle must soak most of it up.
It seems my scope base and rings don’t agree :o....
I put everything together without locktite and have been chasing tightening screws ever since.
I’ll take it all off and go back with locktite this time.
Actually, I finally got the base tight after several shooting sessions and retightening, but the rings keep giving and the scope moved back about 1/8”. The base actually has’nt moved, but I did get just a bit of one or two screws very slightly loosening... seems solid now, but i’m Going to locktite it too this time.
Oh well, lesson learned :-[.
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I've had a Diana 350 Panther .22 (still a 350 Magnum, just with a synthetic stock) for a handful of years now and although I haven't shot it a great deal, what little I have shot it, I've really enjoyed. It has the T06 trigger unit (it's laser etched onto the cylinder) and feels fantastic to me. Personally, I think the .22 cal is a better bet for the 350 because with its power level, it makes a lot of sense to have .22 over the .177. In my opinion only, I think it's just time to go up to the next calibre at these velocities. In reality though, it's just personal preference. One thing you will definitely have in .177 though, is a very flat shooting trajectory, that's for real..
For the .177 calibre, I have a Diana 34 Premium, also with a T06 trigger. It's yielding about 15 +/- ft-lb and although I can't remember which pellet I was going to settle on (JSB Exact I think @ 8.4 gr), I chrony'd it at approx 900 - 920 fps. There's only one word needed to describe this rifle - Beautiful...!!!
Al
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GunnerAl,
Your right about the 350 being more efficient in 22.
I just wanted the 177 for the bit flatter trajectory you touched on for woods type squirrel hunting. Well, that and I have a 392 Benji on the way back from Mac1 after receiving the steroid treatment, so I already have a very powerful 22 coming to me.
Alas, the scope rail has come loose on my 350, so it’s going back to Numrich for replacement :(.
Hope I get one back as accurate as this one was before the rail worked loose. :o ;)
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I hope it all pans out happily for you. The name "Diana" still raises eyebrows in airgun circles.. Cheers to you and yours 35 shooter...
Al