GTA
Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => The Long Range Club => Topic started by: JuryRigger on October 12, 2020, 01:03:43 AM
-
I have thought about giving NUAH a try, but I have a question regarding range. I do not have a rangefinder; is Google Earth an acceptable way for checking range? I usually pace off ranges but that is obviously not extremely accurate...
Thank you,
Jesse
-
100 foot ribbon tape, anchored at end & fliped around for 200' then again for 300' ... wala 100 yards.
-
100 foot ribbon tape, anchored at end & fliped around for 200' then again for 300' ... wala 100 yards.
That would be great, except I don't have a 100 ft tape... :-[ Being a machinist, got lots of ways to do 0-6", but no surveying equipment. I DO have a 25 footer, but that could get tedious.... :o (12 flips)
Thanks for the suggestion though, as a (measured) length of rope/wire would do just the same thing! :D (with only 4 flips of the 25' tape ;))
Thanks Knife,
Jesse
-
I got this off Amazon a month ago, they also had single-wheel models for like $10 bucks or so at the time. Used similar device at work for 28 years, real easy way to measure on flat ground:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X3ZTW9W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X3ZTW9W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
-
Here's one for $10.59, and free shipping if you're with their Prime membership:
https://www.amazon.com/Foldable-Measuring-Collapsible-Digital-Distance/dp/B07TQLGY88/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=measuring+wheel&qid=1602479328&s=hi&sr=1-10 (https://www.amazon.com/Foldable-Measuring-Collapsible-Digital-Distance/dp/B07TQLGY88/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=measuring+wheel&qid=1602479328&s=hi&sr=1-10)
-
I got this off Amazon a month ago, they also had single-wheel models for like $10 bucks or so at the time. Used similar device at work for 28 years, real easy way to measure on flat ground:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X3ZTW9W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X3ZTW9W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Another good idea, except I have only one place I can get a (safe) 100 yards (maybe 130ish maximum), and it certainly ain't flat! :-\ Was a great idea (and cheap), not knocking it, unfortunately won't work for me. Was kinda hoping Google would work, then I wouldn't need to buy anything. Though the measuring rope idea I can still jury-rig. :D :D
Thanks mrbulk,
Jesse
-
Another good idea, except I have only one place I can get a (safe) 100 yards (maybe 130ish maximum), and it certainly ain't flat! :-\ Was a great idea (and cheap), not knocking it, unfortunately won't work for me. Was kinda hoping Google would work, then I wouldn't need to buy anything. Though the measuring rope idea I can still jury-rig. :D :D
Thanks mrbulk,
Jesse
Maybe some string like this would work. You can probably find it at Home Depot or Walmart.
Cotton Twine (https://www.amazon.com/Cooking-Kitchen-Homemade-Gardening-Applications/dp/B01LZA2SMG/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=string&qid=1602482551&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMUlYSlhSR1ZMTkg2JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzExMTQwM0tQVjZCUEpKMkdRMiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwODU4ODYxNktTMTZOUDJFRjFNJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==)
-
100 foot ribbon tape, anchored at end & fliped around for 200' then again for 300' ... wala 100 yards.
Here’s one under ten bux
https://www.amazon.com/Wideskall-Feet-Fiberglass-Open-Measuring/dp/B07B9MHZYC/ref=asc_df_B07B9MHZYC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=344024276099&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10886224470796704381&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032484&hvtargid=pla-785998932155&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=69357499815&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=344024276099&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10886224470796704381&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032484&hvtargid=pla-785998932155 (https://www.amazon.com/Wideskall-Feet-Fiberglass-Open-Measuring/dp/B07B9MHZYC/ref=asc_df_B07B9MHZYC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=344024276099&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10886224470796704381&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032484&hvtargid=pla-785998932155&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=69357499815&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=344024276099&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10886224470796704381&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032484&hvtargid=pla-785998932155)
-
Here ya go, 330ft(110yds) at Harbor Freight and you don't have to flip.
https://www.harborfreight.com/330-ft-x-12-in-open-reel-measuring-tape-62413.html (https://www.harborfreight.com/330-ft-x-12-in-open-reel-measuring-tape-62413.html)
-
Thanks all, have a 100' length of rope; just need to verify it's length. Double it over twice, and now only need to use the 25' tape once. :D
Would still be curious about Google Earth's expected accuracy, if for nothing more than quick reference for ranges on my property for myself.
Thanks all, lots of good cheap ideas here, (but have the rope and could always use $10 more in pellets for practicing...LOL ;D ;D)
Jesse
-
A simple way would be to use measured fishing line. Colors change at 5 or 10’ sections. Leave it on a cheep rod and reel. Very easy to deploy AND retrieve. Also makes it easy to put markers at 10, 20, 30 yards etc.
-
Here ya go, 330ft(110yds) at Harbor Freight and you don't have to flip.
https://www.harborfreight.com/330-ft-x-12-in-open-reel-measuring-tape-62413.html (https://www.harborfreight.com/330-ft-x-12-in-open-reel-measuring-tape-62413.html)
I have one of these and it works great.
Anchor the end with a screwdriver in the ground under the gun and stretch it out along your shooting range and set targets at any distance that you choose.
-
Thank you to all who went to the trouble of finding links to the various excellently priced measuring tools/ideas on here. To make my question a little clearer, I really do not want to buy anything right now. Due to my own circumstances, which I do not wish to discuss as the subject of COVID always seems to lead to a firefight over politics, I am sheltering in place and avoiding unnecessary purchases for the safety of others who are there to stock the shelves. I really don't want that to come off as a knock on any of the excellent products that you guys went to the trouble of finding, it's just my own self-set limitations. I will be "calibrating" my rope and using that, thanks again!
Jesse
Edit to add- Though I will keep all these ideas in mind as someday I may be proficient enough to keep stretching it out even further, and then my self-made rope won't cut the mustard...
Or I might just get one of those little laser doohickeys that are made for this..LOL
-
What about google maps? That's mainly what i use
-
Thanks all, have a 100' length of rope; just need to verify it's length. Double it over twice, and now only need to use the 25' tape once. :D
Would still be curious about Google Earth's expected accuracy, if for nothing more than quick reference for ranges on my property for myself.
Thanks all, lots of good cheap ideas here, (but have the rope and could always use $10 more in pellets for practicing...LOL ;D ;D)
Jesse
How close google earth measurements are isn't a straight forward answer. It depends on a number of things, but generally speaking if the area has been flown regularly and recently it is usually within +/-5 feet and I've seen it consistently better in some areas.
-
Thank you Sbak, that's good to know. The view of my area hasn't changed in almost 2 years, will measure off with the rope from two recognizable points and "calibrate" Google for my yard for future references. Thanks,
Jesse
-
GPS measurements (non-military) are usually within 3m (10 ft.), but can be worse if there are not lots of satellites above the horizon at your location.... Therefore, IMO a GPS is not good enough for N.U.A.H.... I would tend to think the same about Google Earth, but you could always use that and shoot at 100m (109.4 yds), I would think that would be OK with Marty (and he is the guy to decide).... Note, I'm not talking about scaling up the target here, just using the standard NUAH target and shoot a bit further away to pretty much guarantee you are "at least" 100 yards out.... JMO....
Bob
-
GPS measurements (non-military) are usually within 3m (10 ft.), but can be worse if there are not lots of satellites above the horizon at your location.... Therefore, IMO a GPS is not good enough for N.U.A.H.... I would tend to think the same about Google Earth, but you could always use that and shoot at 100m (109.4 yds), I would think that would be OK with Marty (and he is the guy to decide).... Note, I'm not talking about scaling up the target here, just using the standard NUAH target and shoot a bit further away to pretty much guarantee you are "at least" 100 yards out.... JMO....
Bob
Exactly what I was thinking Bob, I would want to err on the long side for safety's sake. No feeling of accomplishment if you don't know that you earned it. I have seen many submissions here listed at "103 yds, 107 yds, etc.", and I always thought that was wise, in case your ranges are not correct. Thank you for the pointers and information on GPS/Google; if/when I give NUAH a try I will use the rope as it would appear to be the most accurate (if checked with the tape measure) method that I have. Maybe at some point a sticky/addition to the rules with acceptable alternative ideas would be helpful to others like me? Probably not necessary, as most shooters who would attempt NUAH are likely better equipped than I. Thank you Bob; and I will verify my method with Marty before I actually attempt a NUAH submission (need to practice more before I try).
Jesse
-
GPS measurements (non-military) are usually within 3m (10 ft.), but can be worse if there are not lots of satellites above the horizon at your location.... Therefore, IMO a GPS is not good enough for N.U.A.H.... I would tend to think the same about Google Earth, but you could always use that and shoot at 100m (109.4 yds), I would think that would be OK with Marty (and he is the guy to decide).... Note, I'm not talking about scaling up the target here, just using the standard NUAH target and shoot a bit further away to pretty much guarantee you are "at least" 100 yards out.... JMO....
Bob
Generally speaking you are correct, but I would like to point out that a "measurement" taken from google earth has nothing to do with gps. It is a distance from an orthographic image created from multiple overlapping images. The more overlap the better. If you can turn on "3D buildings" (or something along those lines) and it produces 3d images there is more than enough data to create a pretty accurate orthographic model. It will be limited to resolution at that point. The images itself will be much, much more accurate that your generic hand held gps. And if the data is there, more accurate than cheap range finders. Imo it is more than adequate for internet bragging rights :)
-
GPS measurements (non-military) are usually within 3m (10 ft.), but can be worse if there are not lots of satellites above the horizon at your location.... Therefore, IMO a GPS is not good enough for N.U.A.H.... I would tend to think the same about Google Earth, but you could always use that and shoot at 100m (109.4 yds), I would think that would be OK with Marty (and he is the guy to decide).... Note, I'm not talking about scaling up the target here, just using the standard NUAH target and shoot a bit further away to pretty much guarantee you are "at least" 100 yards out.... JMO....
Bob
Generally speaking you are correct, but I would like to point out that a "measurement" taken from google earth has nothing to do with gps. It is a distance from an orthographic image created from multiple overlapping images. The more overlap the better. If you can turn on "3D buildings" (or something along those lines) and it produces 3d images there is more than enough data to create a pretty accurate orthographic model. It will be limited to resolution at that point. The images itself will be much, much more accurate that your generic hand held gps. And if the data is there, more accurate than cheap range finders. Imo it is more than adequate for internet bragging rights :)
It did just strike me that my posts may be able to be misread; when I speak of using Google Earth, I mean that I intend to use the measurement function that Sbak speaks of. It is possible for people to think that I was going to use a mobile device and it's location chip to "walk" the start and end points with Google Maps; which would be a GPS function (not saying that was what you were thinking, Bob). I do agree that I've probably put more time and thought into this than is really necessary (Have a habit of overthinking things... :P), only need a way that gets me a assured 100+ yards for something that's supposed to be a fun challenge. Will contact Marty before I try to shoot NUAH, just to make sure that whatever method I use is deemed acceptable. Thanks for the technical insight on both GPS and Google Earth, it will be a while before I try this; as 100 yards is a loooongg way out for a 6-month Magnum Springer shooter...
Jesse
-
I wasn't thinking of using Google Earth as GPS coordinates.... Using the distance function in our area would be worthless, the resolution is just not there.... You can barely make out our house in the overhead view.... YMMV....
Bob
-
Sorry that I misunderstood you Bob, I just wasn't sure if my choice of words left anyone with the wrong impression. In my area the resolution is pretty good, I will verify with Marty if it is acceptable before I use it... Thank you Bob, I appreciate everyone's time and thought in their replies,
Jesse
-
Im using just reticle to ranging. Its accurate atleast 600 yards, so enough accurate for PCP.
For verify picture thru scope is not easy but possible.
There is also app:s do it and they do lot more (attachment)
-
FWIW:
I have found a number of the ranges on which I shot Service Rifle matches, and the firing lines at 200, 300, and 600 are fairly easy to see on Google Maps, along with the target frames in the pits. I was pretty amazed that every one of them was within a yard or two when checking the 600 yard distance, and the shooter lines were usually dead-on for that distance. Even the ranges that have 1000 yard firing lines are +/- 2 yards.
I'd say that on hilly terrain, if you could resolve the firing point and target point using Google Maps, you'd be just as accurate as the other methods used on flat ground.
-
I have a rangefinder that I bought off Amazon for $70. It hangs right with my buddy's Leupold, so I know it's pretty accurate. The problem I have is lining up the target, the rangefinder, and my phone camera. It's dang near impossible.
-
The ancient Egyptians used knotted strings to build the pyramids, they're pretty accurate.
I built a knotted string kit just to mark off distances for practice. I had several colors of braided seine line. I put 10 yards white, 10 yards orange, white, yellow, etc. I put this on a kite string spool. A fishing rod and reel was mentioned earlier with knotted line. I didn't think of using a fishing reel.
Hunter
-
Figure out how to range with your optic. Figure out the measurements and go from there.
-
Would one of these help you out?
link; https://www.techtoolsupply.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RMT-NF-2100&source=googleps&gclid=CjwKCAjwn6GGBhADEiwAruUcKlXF0UcuWEPllsYvQ1fH2zljLFEU_OMJxmaL7DyiNKNVDnf7tdRq3xoCIJAQAvD_BwE (https://www.techtoolsupply.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RMT-NF-2100&source=googleps&gclid=CjwKCAjwn6GGBhADEiwAruUcKlXF0UcuWEPllsYvQ1fH2zljLFEU_OMJxmaL7DyiNKNVDnf7tdRq3xoCIJAQAvD_BwE)
-
Whew! Old thread resurrection here... ;) ;)
I've already made the NUAH membership; I ended up using Google Earth to verify my range-I sent Marty2 (moderator of this gate at the time) a screenshot of it mapped out; so he could decide whether or not the resolution was acceptable (he did). I also added a couple extra yards; just to be sure.
Thanks for the extra responses/ideas though; this thread could still be helpful to other folks :D
Jesse