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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: Mossonarock on September 10, 2020, 04:33:22 PM
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The barrel pivot on my Edge loosens up after about 5 shots. When its' tight, the gun is very accurate and I enjoy shooting it. Others here in GTA recommended I replace the barrel pivot. I'm thinking of just buying another gun to use as a parts gun considering how much difficulty I've had in getting this one measly little part. However, I've been having a hard time finding a vortex Edge. I'd like to snag a refurb on the cheap. HatsanUSA hasn't responded to my inquiries to buy a barrel pivot. Any suggestions? I just wanna shoot my gun and have fun...
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Did you fill out their form?
Sending e-mail is useless.
You need to fill out their form.
Also please remember that EVERYTHING Airgun related is thriving during the pandemic.
I was on hold for 1 hour, trying to contact a human at AoA...
If you get through, I suggest ordering a spare set of stock screws. ;)
-Y
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I filled out their form a couple times over the past year and a half or so. I fill out the form, wait a couple months for a response, nothing. Try again, same result. I'm not looking for reasons to complain; it is what it is. I've already replaced the stock screws with longer screws and used washers and JB weld to beef up the stock since the original star washers chewed up the stock because I was having to remove the stock to tighten up the barrel pivot so often. Eventually I carved away the stock so I can tighten up the barrel pivot without having to remove the stock. That became a feature in airguns I was looking to buy- can I tighten the barrel pivot without having to remove the stock?
I expect to have to pay $20-$30 for a barrel pivot; so its not a big stretch to buy a refurb gun of whatever model as long as it uses the same barrel pivot. That way I can swap parts and have more spare parts than just a barrel pivot.
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Midway has the Edge vortex .25 in Muddy Girl black and pink cammo $130 and the Striker 1000S vortex .25 $155.
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so, you think the Striker uses the same barrel pivot? That's the kind of info I'm looking for. I know some of y'all have both guns in hand.
Also, if there's any retailers outside the US that may have spare parts.
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so, you think the Striker uses the same barrel pivot? That's the kind of info I'm looking for. I know some of y'all have both guns in hand.
Also, if there's any retailers outside the US that may have spare parts.
Tim
I have both a Vortex Edge and a Vortex Striker.
Everything is identical on them ....Except for the Calibers, Rifle Stock & Barrel Lettering.
I have swiped barrels, barrel pivot pins, barrel pivot spacers, screws, rifle stocks etc.... between those four rifles.
(The exact same thing also goes.... between the Walther Talon Magnum and the Hatsan 125TH.)
Best Wishes - Tom
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I'm sure they're the same. I've had two Striker springers in wood, a .177 and .25, a VMX in .20 and now I have a Striker Vortex .177. It was in plastic, now wood. The stock on it and the VMX broke at the front stock screws.
I just don't think they're worth fixing. Over powered, stinking trigger. The striker I have now is in the don't use rack and the VMX is in the parts bin.
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All my Edge & Striker rifle actions are the same. The only differences I can see are the stocks and muzzle-breaks. They all have the same (scalloped head) main pivot bolt with a small locking screw.
I'm puzzled how this bolt can continually come loose with the small locking screw in place. Is your Edge missing this small screw?
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I'm also surprised Hatsan hasn't responded with a part quote. I always received a quote for parts (using the online form) in 2-4 business days. Last one was pre-pandemic and many things have changed since then.
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I'm puzzled how this bolt can continually come loose with the small locking screw in place. Is your Edge missing this small screw?
My '08 Cometa Fenix 400 has a similar, proven pivot bolt design. The thing is, when the pivot bolt is in perfect tightness, none of the scalloped edge's lobes line up with the small locking screw, to actually lock the setting. So, after shooting for a while, the pivot joint loosens too much, despite the locking screw in place.
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I'm puzzled how this bolt can continually come loose with the small locking screw in place. Is your Edge missing this small screw?
My '08 Cometa Fenix 400 has a similar, proven pivot bolt design. The thing is, when the pivot bolt is in perfect tightness, none of the scalloped edge's lobes line up with the small locking screw, to actually lock the setting. So, after shooting for a while, the pivot joint loosens too much, despite the locking screw in place.
A lot of break barrels have that little lock screw, even Chinese B1's and B2's.
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I'm puzzled how this bolt can continually come loose with the small locking screw in place. Is your Edge missing this small screw?
The barrel pivot only needs to move like 1/16th of a turn or less for the barrel to loosen up enough to wobble while "locked-up". The scallop on the barrel pivot that lines up with the little screw is also the one that's in-line with the slot on the head of the barrel pivot. So, its a weak and enlarged scallop. It may be a proven design but its not a flawless design. I don't particularly like the design since it leaves too much to chance for it to work reliably.
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How about replacing the pivot washers? I had to replace mine, especially the plastic one, in order to get my pivot bolt to lockup. I replaced the bolt and the small locking screw first and the pivot bolt would stlll move until I replaced the washers.
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That would be why I'd buy another gun: so I can have all those odd and end small parts to swap. Those costs add up fast.
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Now is your best chance for a cheap Edge replacement or parts rifle. These usually sell out pretty fast, but you might wait a little bit because Hatsan is overdue to offer a free shipping code again.
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/edge-spring-gun-only-no-scope/?attribute_pa_caliber=25
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/edge-spring-gun-only-no-scope/?attribute_pa_caliber=22
Good luck ! :-)
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Well, Ok, I took the really deep rabbit hole on this one. I got one of those spring Edge's in .25 cal and a Striker in .22. Now I'll have all kinds of stuff to mix and match. Different caliber barrels, a wooden stock, spring or gas piston. Oh boy!
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The guns came in and I have to admit I like this .22 cal Striker. I'm afraid it may even usurp the position of favorite backyard plinker from my .177 Walther Terrus. Ooppss... As nice as the wooden stock is on the Striker, I still prefer the thumbhole stock on the Edge. I like this style of thumbhole much more so than traditional sporter stocks. Currently, I have dreams of a Hatsan 95 with a wooden thumbhole stock like the Edge. Also, if the 95 didn't have the plastic cocking handle on the muzzle nor the QE thingy, just euro style dovetails for a front sight. that's all I care for. One can dream.
One thing about my striker though, I got it sighted in with the open sights and was shooting tight groups at 10m from a bench with about any pellet I put in it. However, later on during day 2, the gun started shooting about 1-2 inches high. I tried readjusting the open sight and bottomed it out and its still shooting at least an inch high. I'm not sure what may have contributed to the change in poi. Should I consider a barrel bend or is there something else to consider? Any suggestions are welcome. The problem solving part of my brain is a bit tired right now from working on installing a drier vent in my house. Its taken me 3 weeks now. ugh.... but its done. I hope.
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You guys talking about those cheap Edge .25's made want one. Don't know why. I've only had one .25, a Norica. One of the cheap ones in plastic. I sold it. Usually I'm a .177 guy. I only buy .22 if it's the only caliber I can get it in, and not many of those, or a dual cal.
But I saw the Dominator 200s carbine springer .25 on closeout for $159. I bought my .177 Dominator carbine years ago and felt lucky to get it for $250. I put in the cart with $14 tax. Trying not to pull the trigger.
I have had a .117 Striker, a .177 Striker S and a .20 VMX. Sold them. I still have a .177 Striker S gas ram in a wood stock. The plastic stock broke at the forward stock screws. Sorry, to much info. Later.
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Error. ;D
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The guns came in and I have to admit I like this .22 cal Striker. I'm afraid it may even usurp the position of favorite backyard plinker from my .177 Walther Terrus. Ooppss... As nice as the wooden stock is on the Striker, I still prefer the thumbhole stock on the Edge. I like this style of thumbhole much more so than traditional sporter stocks. Currently, I have dreams of a Hatsan 95 with a wooden thumbhole stock like the Edge. Also, if the 95 didn't have the plastic cocking handle on the muzzle nor the QE thingy, just euro style dovetails for a front sight. that's all I care for. One can dream.
One thing about my striker though, I got it sighted in with the open sights and was shooting tight groups at 10m from a bench with about any pellet I put in it. However, later on during day 2, the gun started shooting about 1-2 inches high. I tried readjusting the open sight and bottomed it out and its still shooting at least an inch high. I'm not sure what may have contributed to the change in poi. Should I consider a barrel bend or is there something else to consider? Any suggestions are welcome. The problem solving part of my brain is a bit tired right now from working on installing a drier vent in my house. Its taken me 3 weeks now. ugh.... but its done. I hope.
Springers can be so much fun one day and the next day there are thoughts of wrapping them around a tree ;-)
IMHO this power plant is best matched with the .22 caliber. That being said, I have and like shooting all three calibers in this series.
I've seen similar poi shifts from loose stock screws, but I assume you already checked that.
Some days I get too relaxed with my hold (hand positions) and/or cheek weld and the poi shifts. Those are obviously my fault and the poi returns to normal when I realize I'm slacking.
I've had a couple rifles in this series with a less than perfect lock-up (very weak). I was having vertical poi stringing and thought I was doing something wrong. Then I noticed that when I set the gun down on the front rest bag the barrel would unlatch about 1/16". NOT a hard drop at all and not typical for these rifles. One rifle responded well to a lockup wedge spring "shim" and the other (an abused refurb) needed a new lockup spring. If the lockup isn't secure, you can get some pretty frustrating vertical poi shifts and stringing.
Have you been chronographing any of the shooting sessions?
If I haven't opened up the action for my preferred lube-tune, the factory lube "burnoff" can last a few hundred pellets. As the factory lube diesels away it can cause some velocity and poi shift. But that would not really explain your situation with the open sights maxed out and the rifle still shooting high.
Does the barrel have a visible bend to it?
If not, I'd hold off on barrel bending until all other causes can be eliminated.
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I took a look down the barrel and when I look straight through it, there's a bit of a shadow on the bottom which indicates to me that the barrel may be curved ever so slightly upwardly. I haven't been able to chrony it but I'm guessing the fps increased a bit after shooting it some because the lube got distributed around. Its still shooting about an inch high at 10m.
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I'm puzzled how this bolt can continually come loose with the small locking screw in place. Is your Edge missing this small screw?
The barrel pivot only needs to move like 1/16th of a turn or less for the barrel to loosen up enough to wobble while "locked-up". The scallop on the barrel pivot that lines up with the little screw is also the one that's in-line with the slot on the head of the barrel pivot. So, its a weak and enlarged scallop. It may be a proven design but its not a flawless design. I don't particularly like the design since it leaves too much to chance for it to work reliably.
You might try this trick: With the gun cocked (be careful here), swing the barrel to find its loosest point of travel. With the barrel in this position, try to force the pivot bolt to the next scallop, then insert the locking screw. It is worth a try and it is free. Good luck
ar
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I'm pretty sure I tried that but it was a long time ago. This issue didn't just pop up. Its just that I haven't bothered to do anything about it till now.
I swapped the barrel pivots and took about 10 shots. The barrel didn't seem to come loose; the original would have come loose in that many shots. So, I think this will work. Time will tell. Of course, no scallop in the barrel pivot lines up with the little lock down screw. So, that's screwed in weird and is at risk of backing out till I get some thread locker on it. People say the scallop/lockdown screw is proven technology. Sure it works except when it doesn't.
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People seem to have an issue with my use of the words "proven design" :D when in fact I have an issue with the design, as well, as reported upthread.
I will try the trick Allen proposed to get my Cometa's pivot joint's scallops and lockscrew line up.
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I didn't do any more testing with that gun because I found a William's peep sight and put it on the Striker. I don't know why the gun was shooting high with the OEM open sight but its a non-issue now. A peep sight really suits this gun well. I'm really having fun with it- (trying not to jinx myself here). The model of peep sight I put on it is a WGRS-54. I had to grind of some of the scope rail in order to put it on and did a terrible rough job of it but its on.
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I found a source for the barrel pivot. TW Chambers in the UK. It took awhile to get it shipped here but it just arrived today. I screwed it into my Edge, did some test shooting, and it seems to be working fine. meaning that I verified the part fits. At TW Chambers, the part number is B1743. I just got done putting in an order for 10 more. I'm not putting up with this anymore! HatsanUSA, I'm sorry to say but "you lose!" ::)
Why ten more? The metal is soft and no matter how careful I am, the slot for the screwdriver gets indents in it from the screwdriver. Not necessarily stripped but the force from the screwdriver pushes indents into the sides of the slots. Sure, if I had a ginormous screwdriver, I might be able to minimize that but I'd have to get a screwdriver and grind it till its right and even then it might not be doable. So, I'm hesitant to ruin a screwdriver by trying to make that happen.
I'd also like to get a bunch of replacement locking screws for the barrel pivot bolt. But Chambers doesn't seem to have those. If anyone has any specs on those such as diameter and thread pitch, I'll try to get something from a hardware store. Surely hatsan uses standard metric measures for that screw. Even if I have to get a wee screw that I have to cut down short enough. I'll give it a go. I do tend to strip those screws.