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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Boolit and Pellet Casting => Topic started by: scion19801 on August 19, 2020, 12:33:52 PM
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they have a few of them back in stock. hunter, slugs, wadcutters, and the magnums if i recall. i just got a brass 2 cavity 249-39-rf e6 to try out.
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Dan I cast up some from my 249-39-RF mold this morning, I did go to the woods after and they're shooting decent from my Avenger however I didn't bother to adjust my scope because it's tuned for the Hunters right now. Sometime I'll turn the gun back up and see how they really do when being pushed up close to 900fps. First I'll do a chrony test to get them up there to about max for the gun and see how well they really shoot.
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nice. i did see you had that mold. gonna see how my gauntlet does with them. worst case it don't like them or i can get the accuracy out of them and i sell the mold off. figure it can't hurt to try it as i been wanting to really try slugs but the price per ### is a bit much when i haven't found anything it cares for too much. the AVS's new .2503" slugs did pretty decent and i tried the 38 gr ones seem to be the best, and the .249" 26.8's NSA's were decent. so with any luck these will do well. hoping it drops on spec, and i don't need to get into a sizer system for them.
will definitely have to turn the gun back up from my measly 1700 psi reg pressure, at least with casting my own it'll be a bit cheaper and easier to dial in for them.
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Yep I bought a.25 cal mag hunter alu mold yesterday. Been waiting for the.25 mag hunters for awhile. Don't know why, but something told me to check the 25 molds on NOE and will dare it was.👍👍
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Thanks Dan.
I ordered one too. .249- rf -e6 4 cavity aluminum.
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Thanks Dan.
I ordered one too. .249- rf -e6 4 cavity aluminum.
Me too...Thanks Dan!
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The way that I have my Avenger tuned right now it's spitting out the Hunters like a laser.
(https://i.imgur.com/D4QiYVf.jpg)
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Yep, all the .25 cal pellet moulds just hit the store....
Bob
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wow...NOE is fast. My new slug mold will be here today... Can't wait.
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I have not received a shipping notification yet for my order and I ordered 6 days ago. Most unusual 🤔
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yeah that is quite odd. mine was ordered the 19th and gonna be here today. Might wanna call and double check that everything went through ok and there is no issue.
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wow...NOE is fast. My new slug mold will be here today... Can't wait.
Which mold did you go for? I just cast some from my new 249-39-RF-E6 4 mold. I haven't tested any yet. I should be receiving a couple of new barrels for these and the other new pellet mold today. Fingers are crossed that I can get them to shoot straight. I only had like a 43 grain spread on these new slug castings.
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keith,
i got the same mold. .249-39-rf-e6. Hopping like crazy that i can get them working with my 1:20 twist on my gauntlet. Barrel has been worked and have no issue trying to chamber AVS .2503" dia. slugs that are .406" long at 38 gr, and ones that are .365" long at 32 gr. they were my best performers, and had ok luck with NSA 26.8 gr .249" dia. guess testing will be the true tell on if this mold will work. May have to come up with a way to increase the diameter, then get a sizer setup to bring them back to where the barrel wants them.
really wish i could get a different barrel adapted to the gun to see if i can get it to be a true laser.
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keith,
i got the same mold. .249-39-rf-e6. Hopping like crazy that i can get them working with my 1:20 twist on my gauntlet. Barrel has been worked and have no issue trying to chamber AVS .2503" dia. slugs that are .406" long at 38 gr, and ones that are .365" long at 32 gr. they were my best performers, and had ok luck with NSA 26.8 gr .249" dia. guess testing will be the true tell on if this mold will work. May have to come up with a way to increase the diameter, then get a sizer setup to bring them back to where the barrel wants them.
really wish i could get a different barrel adapted to the gun to see if i can get it to be a true laser.
These are coming out at .2495. I have sent some of them through the NOE .249 busing, but not much is removed. I can barely get them through my STX barrel though by hand. They will be tested in my non-choked Marauder and a STX and STX Superior liner.
My switch on my PID controller fried. Waiting on a US version toggle switch to cast more...
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i think my mold is buggered. just my luck. mold haves wont close flat with hollow point pins in place. one side is way higher in the slot than the other. GRRRRRRRRRR. pull pins mold closes flat. cleaning it to see if i can find a burr of something that isn't allowing the pin to ride correctly.
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it seems to be the pin closest to the sprue plate pivot pin, the pin closest to you when holding the handles. its off just enough to cause it to wiggle slightly and, not close flush. no burr to be found anywhere. swapping pins doesn't help. wonder if it could be lapped in if that would fix it.
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i think i got it working properly now. had do go outside the norm for an NOE mold. gonna do a test run tonight to verify.
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Mine arrived today, warmed it up in the toaster oven once so far.
I have a little casting booth set up in the garage. Mounted a range hood with squirrel cage blower to exhaust smoke and fumes. A couple pieces of osb board, from the hood to the bench top make the sides.
Going to wait for cooler weather to get casting.
To hot right now to wear safe casting clothing.
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I have not received a shipping notification yet for my order and I ordered 6 days ago. Most unusual 🤔
Just Emailed Al asking if my order really did go through. My card was charged for it??????? Usually I get any mould I order from Al in about 4 days and today is the 5th day but only the 3rd working day. Oh well, when it gets here it gets here.
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Ran my mold test tonight. All appears to be kosher with the mold now. Did a small run at my 850°F pellet setting. Was getting a lot that wanted to hold on to the front hp pin. Dropped lead down to 800°F and things went smoother. 2-1/2 hour Casting run got me 165 from the 850 temp and 275 from the 800 temp. These .249-39-rf cast up so fast and easily.
Now hopefully they'll perform well for me. Got to figure out a lube for them as well possibly. I'll measure and weight check them tomorrow.
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Ran my mold test tonight. All appears to be kosher with the mold now. Did a small run at my 850°F pellet setting. Was getting a lot that wanted to hold on to the front hp pin. Dropped lead down to 800°F and things went smoother. 2-1/2 hour Casting run got me 165 from the 850 temp and 275 from the 800 temp. These .249-39-rf cast up so fast and easily.
Now hopefully they'll perform well for me. Got to figure out a lube for them as well possibly. I'll measure and weight check them tomorrow.
Glad you got your mold worked out. They definitely need going over and adjusting before first use as they don't come ready to cast. Mine came near perfect, except for needing the pins adjusted. I could not get mine to open it was so tightly made, which I really like. Pressure pouring with this one is not an issue.
They are really easy to cast !!! I have had a few try to stick on the pins at 825°. I don't let those stop production or hold me back. I run the mold back through the melt skipping those and they typically will fall off on the next run or so. Pins got too cold I assume.
I got my two new barrels in yesterday, so I'll be trying these out soon.
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I have not received a shipping notification yet for my order and I ordered 6 days ago. Most unusual 🤔
Just Emailed Al asking if my order really did go through. My card was charged for it? ??? ??? Usually I get any mould I order from Al in about 4 days and today is the 5th day but only the 3rd working day. Oh well, when it gets here it gets here.
I agree, something doesn't smell right with the delivery. NOE has never taken more than four days for me to receive. I know the USPS is limping along these days. I would certainly be communicating with NOE to find out what's going on.
You should have received a Pitney Bowes email with tracking info.
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The tracking number is what is missing. I even checked my spam folder and it s not there. I guess I have to give Al a call.
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weights look awesome. getting 36.6-36.8 grains. pure lead. temp doesn't seem to change these much. they measure in at .344" long with .2495 diameter.
shot some this morning, but they are way slow at 700 fps. this was using how my pelet tune is set up. got fresh batteries for the chrony, and now may have to change the hammer back out to see where i can get these moving at. Oh, no spiraling at this speed and decent accuracy, just not enough FPE.
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It seems that I've hit a wall. I got it up to 850 fps with the 36.7 grain for 59 FPE. I'm probably going to need valve work to get above that. I pushed my reg setpoint to about 2100 psi, still got my aftermarket spring in, but had to go back to the heavy hammer. I wonder if Hajimoto's valve stop is needed at this point to get more fps behind the slugs. Accuracy seem to be doing ok. i can tag my 72 yard gong consistently and not seeing any spiraling thus far. so things are looking good.
Rain just caused a delay in sight in. I tried some teflon lube on the slugs, but it doesn't seem to be drying on them, but did give me a 5 FPS boost over dry (no lube) slugs. More to come on this venture.
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Dan, how far have you been shooting the new slugs?
My interest in them is less wind deflection, but getting the velocity back up close to what the 27 grain pellets are shooting is going to be pretty vital to shooting to longer ranges.
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i have gone out to my 100 yard gong in good wind(5-10 and gusting) and can ring it no issues. then just realized i was using my 106 yard mildot. but they were slightly high. when holding on 100 yard mildot. no issues. lol. got it sighted in, in the wind. so we'll see what it does once the wind dies off. shot count is cut in half as to be expected.
got to check the slugs just a little bit better. getting occasional fliers, plus i'm not bagging or benching it per say. resting on my deck railing and getting as stable as i can. I get a more accurate picture of what it will be like in the woods this way. hitting accurate on my 43 yard gong as well. just a touch of left and right off center due to wind i'm sure. Given my current wind conditions i wouldn't be shooting my pellets at all with any accuracy.
here is my sight in at center and then group at upper right at 50 yards. few fliers in the group shot due to gun jumping and not 100% stable.
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The tracking number is what is missing. I even checked my spam folder and it s not there. I guess I have to give Al a call.
Al called me and for some reason they were out of stock. I decided to go with the Bbt .253- 52 grain but won't get it for a couple of weeks. Al said they'll be running them the middle of next week which I told him would be fine.
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well that is a bummer. but at least you got a heads up. Al is an awesome individual, and runs a good ship. i cant wait for the .250 bbt mold to come up.
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The tracking number is what is missing. I even checked my spam folder and it s not there. I guess I have to give Al a call.
Al called me and for some reason they were out of stock. I decided to go with the Bbt .253- 52 grain but won't get it for a couple of weeks. Al said they'll be running them the middle of next week which I told him would be fine.
I wondered about that because if it's the same mold, there were only two in stock...Dan and I got those. Glad you were able to get an answer and more will be available.
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i have gone out to my 100 yard gong in good wind(5-10 and gusting) and can ring it no issues. then just realized i was using my 106 yard mildot. but they were slightly high. when holding on 100 yard mildot. no issues. lol. got it sighted in, in the wind. so we'll see what it does once the wind dies off. shot count is cut in half as to be expected.
got to check the slugs just a little bit better. getting occasional fliers, plus i'm not bagging or benching it per say. resting on my deck railing and getting as stable as i can. I get a more accurate picture of what it will be like in the woods this way. hitting accurate on my 43 yard gong as well. just a touch of left and right off center due to wind i'm sure. Given my current wind conditions i wouldn't be shooting my pellets at all with any accuracy.
here is my sight in at center and then group at upper right at 50 yards. few fliers in the group shot due to gun jumping and not 100% stable.
Well, that group could be much worse. I am really glad to see them grouping that well on a first attempt. They may need a little more spin/speed. I'll be able to turn them up over a 1000 if needed. I don't have a specific goal for mine yet, just decent accuracy and power so far.
I pushed some of these through the Superior liner. That liner is more loose than the STX liner, which I believe will be better. The Superior leaves shallower groove markings in comparison. Depending on how it goes with these, I'm thinking I may even need a .248 bushing. They are tight pushing these by hand in these FX barrels.
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The tracking number is what is missing. I even checked my spam folder and it s not there. I guess I have to give Al a call.
Al called me and for some reason they were out of stock. I decided to go with the Bbt .253- 52 grain but won't get it for a couple of weeks. Al said they'll be running them the middle of next week which I told him would be fine.
I wondered about that because if it's the same mold, there were only two in stock...Dan and I got those. Glad you were able to get an answer and more will be available.
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i did a quick chamber test..just barely showing any rifling marks. i'd have to pull my barrel to do a push through, but given all the slug sizes i've tested. i know these are right where they should be diameter wise.
i'd like to push more speed behind them but still trying to figure out how to get it out of the gauntlet. Was gonna get a higher valve travel stop, but hajimoto is out of stock on them.
my performance/efficiency calculator program is telling me that i have hammer bounce. thats getting 24 shots from 3000 to 2200. but if i get 26 then it's possible i got hammer bounce. if i pull 28 shots then there is no hammer bounce.
So i'd say i'm not fully tuned in just yet. I'm only running a 22# spring with a slight preload, the cocked to the lock position, adjuster turned in till i cant get it in/out of the lock, then backed off 1 turn.
my program says:
1.08 FPE/CC @ 57.5 FPE Avg
Estimated Valve Close @ 11.1'' / 48%
tested the factory spring(30#) as well, but it gave my a heavy cocking and still got same speed.
transfer port through receiver to barrel is all .1875". valve outlet is only .194" in stock form. not sure what the throat size in the valve is. that would really help to know.
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I have been replacing liners and checking the .30 cal cast pellets out again this evening, but the weather shut me down quickly. I was able to drill a few ragged hole groups with all of the wind at 50 yards. Those have me excited. There were plenty of flyers starting out, but I cleaned the 700mm STX slug A liner real good before installing it. They are beginning to cooperate some now. I will try again when I can.
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Nice job triggertreat.
I just cast up another 446 slugs. These cast so fast when things run smoothly. With that done and given the price per hundred. I think I just paid off this mold. So I've cast 886 slugs in two days. lol. Hmm... Fx hybrids $16 per 100. So that'd be 9 boxes. So yep, paid for as I've probably throw back more than 14 to redo. That was a quick payoff.
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Nice job triggertreat.
I just cast up another 446 slugs. These cast so fast when things run smoothly. With that done and given the price per hundred. I think I just paid off this mold. So I've cast 886 slugs in two days. lol. Hmm... Fx hybrids $16 per 100. So that'd be 9 boxes. So yep, paid for as I've probably throw back more than 14 to redo. That was a quick payoff.
For me, it's more about having a say over everything involved in the end result of my own PCP experience, including the cost. From compressor air, to gun selection, to tune of a select projectile for a range of task, etc. I don't see myself totally devoid of commercial projectiles ever, but would welcome my own accurate projectile to add to the experience. I wouldn't close the door on any accurate projectile.
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With the next few days being very hot here I'm going to try getting in more casting. I just got my 217-24-RF mold back on handles and I'm going to cast up a bunch more for my 22's that like the heavier pellets, my favorite from that mold are the 23 grain that I cast. I've got everything warming up right now.
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Absolutely agree keith. Accuracy is where it matters. I hate to miss a target. Granted the gauntlet probably isn't the best for slugs, but getting it shooting them Accurately is half the fun. Especially with a gun that was primarily made for pellets. Would love to get fx's liner system adapted to it, then I could really have some fun with it. Different twist rates and swaps for barrels way easier. Gotta be a way to do it and still be able to use the factory barrel.
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Absolutely agree keith. Accuracy is where it matters. I hate to miss a target. Granted the gauntlet probably isn't the best for slugs, but getting it shooting them Accurately is half the fun. Especially with a gun that was primarily made for pellets. Would love to get fx's liner system adapted to it, then I could really have some fun with it. Different twist rates and swaps for barrels way easier. Gotta be a way to do it and still be able to use the factory barrel.
I wanna say my .25 Marauder certainly improved with slugs (not good enough to use still) after I cut the choke off. Pellets do better for sure. Got a little more speed as well. I was able to close the added gap within the shroud with additional baffles.
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that's one fortunate side to the gauntlet. no choked barrel in the .25 cal. and 23.75 inches of barrel. thinking i may need to do another session with the JB Bore compound. that may help things even more.