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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: mrbulk on August 19, 2020, 02:01:06 AM
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So my Umarex Origin kit w/pump arrived today(!). I assembled the pump and plugged the probe into the Origin's fill port but the pump won't go past about 800 psi.
Just for some background I have had two hand pumps and used several others in the past back in the mid-90's, so I am familiar with them and the effort and sweat required. But this brand new "Umarex" hand pump does not look like the ones in all the Umarex ad pictures and reviews with the round base, it has an angular black base. In fact other than the big "UX" printed on the base, it looks suspiciously like the "Mophorn" (who thinks of these names?) Chinese pump on Amazon.
So the issue is this - it pumps up and down easily enough at the start until I get to about 600-800 psi and then, the pump handle will not pull upwards through its full intake stroke. And when I try pushing down anyway it feels like a tiny bit of air is still being compressed right at the very end. But on the upstroke again, it will not pull back up. Maybe about halfway. Now bear in mind I am standing with both feet on the metal footplate with all my weight (about 175 lbs) and heaving and ho'ing trying to jerk the handle back up even a bit past halfway, but it pulls up against this great and *rubbery* resistance wall, as though the intake hole is Now blocked. Mind you, it was intaking just fine on the way to this pressure "wall" that I am hitting, right in the high hundreds of psi. By the way it came with a small bottle of lube which I generously applied, because the inner pump shaft was completely clean and dry out of the box which tells me it may not have even been tested at the factory. At least not in the way a normal human would.
So I have an e-mail in to Pyramyd tonight and hopefully they get back to me tomorrow, but meanwhile -- I CANNOT SHOOT MY NEW GUN!!! And even if they resolve it by sending me a new pump or something, I still can't shoot my first (in my reborn airgun life) PCP until then!
So I figure I'm just gonna bite the bullet and order a compressor from Amazon.
It might even get here before the new replacement hand pump does.
And that way, I can justify buying another PCP... 8)
But meanwhile does anyone have any ideas on what might be happening and what to check for, maybe?
Signed, Soon-To-Be new HPA compressor owner...
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By the way the gun was initially almost completely empty (it showed a couple hundred psi since there is the "Ever-Pressure" pressurized gas piston inside) and it did accept 500-600 more psi before the pump handle stopped going up past halfway, so I know the pump was inputting air, but only until that certain point where it would lock up.
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All those Chine pumps regardless of the name are probably the exact same.
By the way, I have a Mophorn and it's been going strong for a couple years,....I wouldn't trade it for a HILL,
Ok I would, so I could sell the HILL and buy a few Mophorns :) :) :)
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Try a tear down and rebuild. Don't forget to lube what needs to be lubed.
My NiteOwl pump had the same problem. I tried to rebuild it, but probably didn't do it right. I already had a Yong Heng, so I left it as a parts pump and ordered another Chinese pump...Estink. ???
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Ok I would, so I could sell the HILL and buy a few Mophorns :) :) :)
;D
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Try a tear down and rebuild. Don't forget to lube what needs to be lubed.
My NiteOwl pump had the same problem. I tried to rebuild it, but probably didn't do it right. I already had a Yong Heng, so I left it as a parts pump and ordered another Chinese pump...Estink. ???
If they send me a replacement and don't require this one back maybe I will...someday. While I'm not using my new compressor, hehe.
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So my Umarex Origin kit w/pump arrived today(!). I assembled the pump and plugged the probe into the Origin's fill port but the pump won't go past about 800 psi.
Just for some background I have had two hand pumps and used several others in the past back in the mid-90's, so I am familiar with them and the effort and sweat required. But this brand new "Umarex" hand pump does not look like the ones in all the Umarex ad pictures and reviews with the round base, it has an angular black base. In fact other than the big "UX" printed on the base, it looks suspiciously like the "Mophorn" (who thinks of these names?) Chinese pump on Amazon. But it evokes images of either a mop laying on the floor next to a Viking horn, or a Vietnamese food addict's mantra.
So the issue is this - it pumps up and down easily enough at the start until I get to about 600-800 psi and then, the pump handle will not pull upwards through its full intake stroke. And when I try pushing down anyway it feels like a tiny bit of air is still being compressed right at the very end. But on the upstroke again, it will not pull back up. Maybe about halfway. Now bear in mind I am standing with both feet on the metal footplate with all my weight (about 175 lbs) and heaving and ho'ing trying to jerk the handle back up even a bit past halfway, but it pulls up against this great and *rubbery* resistance wall, as though the intake hole is Now blocked. Mind you, it was intaking just fine on the way to this pressure "wall" that I am hitting, right in the high hundreds of psi. By the way it came with a small bottle of lube which I generously applied, because the inner pump shaft was completely clean and dry out of the box which tells me it may not have even been tested at the factory. At least not in the way a normal human would.
So I have an e-mail in to Pyramyd tonight and hopefully they get back to me tomorrow, but meanwhile -- I CANNOT SHOOT MY NEW GUN!!! And even if they resolve it by sending me a new pump or something, I still can't shoot my first (in my reborn airgun life) PCP until then!
So I figure I'm just gonna bite the bullet and order a compressor from Amazon.
It might even get here before the new replacement hand pump does.
And that way, I can justify buying another PCP... 8)
But meanwhile does anyone have any ideas on what might be happening and what to check for, maybe?
Signed, Soon-To-Be new HPA compressor owner...
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Don't count on PA to respond anytime soon, it took 9 days to get a response when I contacted them and I've heard they're even farther behind now. That's not to say they won't resolve the issue because they do have great customer service, but they are estimating 10-15 days for a response.
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Which compressor did you decide on?
If you went for the Xisico then be sure to get it from WES at https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/ (https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/)
Those are the re-engineered ones from Travis and Wes that are either oil or grease.
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Follow this link to other Nevada shooters and maybe they can give her a jump start and get some lead downrange...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=80.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=80.0)
If you were here I'd fill it for you!
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on and on...
Be GLAD it's not from Air Force. They received my warranty scope in mid-June and still have it. Pathetic.
I ran, customer service and repair, for a MAJOR knife company and had a three day turnaround.
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So the issue is this - it pumps up and down easily enough at the start until I get to about 600-800 psi and then, the pump handle will not pull upwards through its full intake stroke. And when I try pushing down anyway it feels like a tiny bit of air is still being compressed right at the very end. But on the upstroke again, it will not pull back up.
I've encountered this a few times with my pumps. Usually it's the check valve, take it out, clean it and reassemble.
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Charlie, I think getting a compressor is still the way to go and to have a hand pump as back up!
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Charlie, I think getting a compressor is still the way to go and to have a hand pump as back up!
+1
You won't look back.
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So the issue is this - it pumps up and down easily enough at the start until I get to about 600-800 psi and then, the pump handle will not pull upwards through its full intake stroke. And when I try pushing down anyway it feels like a tiny bit of air is still being compressed right at the very end. But on the upstroke again, it will not pull back up.
I've encountered this a few times with my pumps. Usually it's the check valve, take it out, clean it and reassemble.
This.
Happened to me a couple times. Takes a minute or two to fix.
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Don't count on PA to respond anytime soon, it took 9 days to get a response when I contacted them and I've heard they're even farther behind now. That's not to say they won't resolve the issue because they do have great customer service, but they are estimating 10-15 days for a response.
Yeah dang this Covid slowdown, it's slowing down the critical services (for airguns) that we all need...
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Which compressor did you decide on?
If you went for the Xisico then be sure to get it from WES at https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/ (https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/)
Those are the re-engineered ones from Travis and Wes that are either oil or grease.
Whoops - in my anxiety and angst last night to get shooting again, I already pulled the Amazon trigger. Oh well, the reviews were mostly all positive and mentioned their customer service guy (named "Jason" I think it was,) being highly responsive to support inquires and also mentioning in many reviews that the little supply of grease that came with the unit is no longer supplied because it was the "newer latest version" that does not require it. Also some stories of issues being resolved by free replacement without ever having to send the original malfunctioning part back. So ... I had my shot and took it.
But thanks for the heads-up Johnny, maybe if This one ever fails I will buy from Wes.
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Follow this link to other Nevada shooters and maybe they can give her a jump start and get some lead downrange...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=80.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=80.0)
If you were here I'd fill it for you!
Aww, thanks bud!
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So the issue is this - it pumps up and down easily enough at the start until I get to about 600-800 psi and then, the pump handle will not pull upwards through its full intake stroke. And when I try pushing down anyway it feels like a tiny bit of air is still being compressed right at the very end. But on the upstroke again, it will not pull back up.
I've encountered this a few times with my pumps. Usually it's the check valve, take it out, clean it and reassemble.
Thanks kindly Brad, especially for the pics. I may attempt this once I know I will have some alternative from Pyramyd. Just in case they say send the whole thing back gun and all, and we'll ship you another one...although it already shows Pre-Order now for the Origin...
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Charlie, I think getting a compressor is still the way to go and to have a hand pump as back up!
Thanks Randall. My plan exactly...as long as they send me a replacement pump. :'(
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Charlie, I think getting a compressor is still the way to go and to have a hand pump as back up!
+1
You won't look back.
I am indeed looking forward to not looking back.
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Pump and compressor....likely the best combination. It's also an admission that one or the other will eventually screw up and stop working right. But the odds of both taking a dump on you at the same time are way-way in your favor.
Either can be fixed....but for 99% of the screw ups, one or the other will work to keep you shooting until the other is fixed.
On the other hand, having both means you'd have two systems that are just as picky about not leaking/working right as any PCP....so pretty quickly your preventive maintenance/repair requirements start to eat into your shooting time.
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Pump and compressor....likely the best combination. It's also an admission that one or the other will eventually screw up and stop working right. But the odds of both taking a dump on you at the same time are way-way in your favor.
Either can be fixed....but for 99% of the screw ups, one or the other will work to keep you shooting until the other is fixed.
On the other hand, having both means you'd have two systems that are :-[ as picky about not leaking/working right as any PCP....so pretty quickly your preventive maintenance/repair requirements start to eat into your shooting time.
I sure hope you’re right, Ribbonstone...all this non-shooting (although I do have my CO2 guns but they are not PCPs) is not good for the soul.
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Charlie, I think getting a compressor is still the way to go and to have a hand pump as back up!
Thanks Randall. My plan exactly...as long as they send me a replacement pump. :'(
Charlie, PA will take care of you! Really good customer service....might take some time because of the pandemic and they are semi shut down to catch up on fulfilling orders for a week to catch up. I would call next week to reaffirm your email and issue.
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Charlie, PA will take care of you! Really good customer service....might take some time because of the pandemic and they are semi shut down to catch up on fulfilling orders for a week to catch up. I would call next week to reaffirm your email and issue.
Thanks Randall, I truly believe what you reassuringly say, I have dealt with them in the past. Although this was long before, when I met the original owner I forget his name but had an accent and married to a doctor, good guy met him at SHOT Show when they were first starting up Pyramyd (see, I do have memory left) but I'm afraid it's tough times for now. Because aside from emailing and trying to text them (text ph. number avail on website but now it's not receiving texts), I just now called them and the recorded msg was that they have "suspended telephone operations temporarily" or something like that.
Of course I'm certain they will eventually make it right. But I do understand it might have to be "eventually", thanks to hugely spiking sales from extra airgunning activity because everybody's home due to lockdown plus all them stimulus checks...guess that's what happens when you give avid airgunners lots of time at home and money to spend...
But on the positive side, so it's a good thing that I got to order the compressor (will be here by Sunday). And I shouldn't be receiving too much static over it, "But look hon, the pump don't work, see? So that's why I HAD to get this new compressor, see?"
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No one MADE you buy a compressor!
You made a $h77y choise and wants to rub it of onto someone else?
Do the right thing and buy an Altaros booster and you'll never need another filling agent!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors (https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors)
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mrbulk
you're welcome
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No one MADE you buy a compressor!
You made a $h77y choise and wants to rub it of onto someone else?
Do the right thing and buy an Altaros booster and you'll never need another filling agent!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors (https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors)
Lol, you really should have to sign up as an Altaros vendor considering you interject this into every thread. If they were so amazing more folks would have them over here, maybe they will now that the far superior Shoebox went out of business but I doubt it. But keep on tooting the proverbial horn.
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He's forcing inbound links
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No one MADE you buy a compressor!
You made a $h77y choise and wants to rub it of onto someone else?
Do the right thing and buy an Altaros booster and you'll never need another filling agent!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors (https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors)
Lol, you really should have to sign up as an Altaros vendor considering you interject this into every thread. If they were so amazing more folks would have them over here, maybe they will now that the far superior Shoebox went out of business but I doubt it. But keep on tooting the proverbial horn.
Thanks for saving me from naively responding Zack, you’ve encountered this CZ vendor before, I see...
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Whoa, even during these overstressed times and deluged with orders, PYRAMYD responds!!! I guess my failed texts eventually went through...Thanks Pyramyd!
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No one MADE you buy a compressor!
You made a $h77y choise and wants to rub it of onto someone else?
Do the right thing and buy an Altaros booster and you'll never need another filling agent!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors (https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors)
Lol, you really should have to sign up as an Altaros vendor considering you interject this into every thread. If they were so amazing more folks would have them over here, maybe they will now that the far superior Shoebox went out of business but I doubt it. But keep on tooting the proverbial horn.
Thanks for saving me from naively responding Zack, you’ve encountered this CZ vendor before, I see...
Don't get me wrong, Altaros is a decent company and builds some nice regulators and other products...but this person is rude and obnoxious and always touting the booster as "MUST HAVE." I'm sure it works fine, I wouldn't buy it, if I wanted a booster I'd wait for a used Shoebox to pop up for sale and figure out how to fix it myself over the Altaros any day. Just my opinion though, maybe others on GTA have used the Altaros with success, I just don't recall seeing it.
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No one MADE you buy a compressor!
You made a $h77y choise and wants to rub it of onto someone else?
Do the right thing and buy an Altaros booster and you'll never need another filling agent!
https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors (https://www.altaros.cz/en/50-compressors)
Lol, you really should have to sign up as an Altaros vendor considering you interject this into every thread. If they were so amazing more folks would have them over here, maybe they will now that the far superior Shoebox went out of business but I doubt it. But keep on tooting the proverbial horn.
Thanks for saving me from naively responding Zack, you’ve encountered this CZ vendor before, I see...
Don't get me wrong, Altaros is a decent company and builds some nice regulators and other products...but this person is rude and obnoxious and always touting the booster as "MUST HAVE." I'm sure it works fine, I wouldn't buy it, if I wanted a booster I'd wait for a used Shoebox to pop up for sale and figure out how to fix it myself over the Altaros any day. Just my opinion though, maybe others on GTA have used the Altaros with success, I just don't recall seeing it.
Understood, all cool.
Anyway I did click the link and seems a little pricey. Plus why ain’t they on Amazon? Would inspire a bit more confidence than having to order all the way from Czechoslovakia during these times...
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Whoa, even during these overstressed times and deluged with orders, PYRAMYD responds!!! I guess my failed texts eventually went through...Thanks Pyramyd!
What are the chances of them reading this post? ;) ;) ;)
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Whoa, even during these overstressed times and deluged with orders, PYRAMYD responds!!! I guess my failed texts eventually went through...Thanks Pyramyd!
What are the chances of them reading this post? ;) ;) ;)
Right? Waal, I guess I'm just a grateful and friendly patron who hopes they see my appreciation (although no e-mail yet...) and ships it fast.