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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => BB Guns and Such => Topic started by: Tweaker on August 13, 2020, 07:33:20 AM
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I recently on a whim bought a Umarex APX multipump bb/pellet shooter and with bbs it has terrible accuracy even at under 10m the groups were all over. And that one although is cheap it has a rifled barrel. So because of that experience had a few questions....
Does rifling even help .177 cal bbs accuracy ?
What is the most accuracy youve got from a .177 shooting bbs ? any rifle recommendations would be welcome
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Generally speaking, I've experienced poor BB accuracy with rifled barrels, smoothbore seems to be the way to go. For off the shelf BB accuracy, it is hard to beat the smoothbore Daisy 35. You've got to keep the barrel as clean and oil free as possible to maintain good BB accuracy. Excellent accuracy can be had at 2 to 3 pumps out to 5 yards, ok accuracy out to 10 yards, and beyond that, you'll be able to plink soda cans. Accuracy is a relative term here, we are talking shooting BBs from a oversized smoothbore barrel. For a cheap, quiet shooting option at 5 yards in the garage when the weather is bad, it is a great option.
Pushing the number of pumps up will also decrease accuracy. I've found 2 to 3 pumps yields the best accuracy.
If you want to spend some cash, I've heard the Daisy 499 is the way to go for shooting BBs. I can confirm that the 499 barrel is capable of stacking BBs at 5 yards, I've just never used one in the 499 itself.
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Daisy 499B is considered a competition BB rifle.
It even has target sights....
https://www.daisy.com/product/daisy-model-499b-champion-competition-rifle/ (https://www.daisy.com/product/daisy-model-499b-champion-competition-rifle/)
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Watch the youTube videos.....
Those kids and the 499b will shoot better then you...
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On the Daisy site they say the maximum range is 177 yards. Really? Now THAT is impressive for a BB gun.
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Those are the BB guns I started all my kids shooting on. The great thing about them is that they reward proper technique with good results. You can set up a range inside a building with proper backstops. I still have six of them. My grandchildren will learn on them. Maybe they meant 177 inches
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Love my 499! Even did the Red Ryder spring mod. 150 fps added and still has all of the accuracy. If you want a rifle platform that can drill bb's,... the 499 is IT!
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I have a 499 with the peep sight, it drives BBs in the same hole @ 5 meters/16 feet. I was very pleasantly surprised to notice the same thing with my SSP Daisy 840 Grizzly, and also with my 8th variant smooth bore Crosman 760. The 760 is more powerful, and still get decent groups (1 1/2'') @ 10 meters/33 feet. My ol' Crosman 350 is also a joy to shoot. I never had ''good'' accuracy with BBs shooting with a rifled barrel, I think the bore is bigger and the BBs bounce uncontrollably into the barrel. 0.02$.
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Thanks for the replies and will definitely look more into the 499 daisy , also that spring mod sounds awesome. Will also check out some daisy multi-pumps since those are the platform im more familiar with :)
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https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/03/shooting-the-daisy-avanti-champion-499-at-10-meters/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2013/03/shooting-the-daisy-avanti-champion-499-at-10-meters/)
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Never tried a rifled bb gun, but have had great luck with multiple smooth bore 760s. No outliers, often double punching same holes at 10yds. Usually only use 2-3 pumps for 10yd target shooting.
499 could likely be even better, but never tried one.
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Generally speaking, I've experienced poor BB accuracy with rifled barrels, smoothbore seems to be the way to go. For off the shelf BB accuracy, it is hard to beat the smoothbore Daisy 35. You've got to keep the barrel as clean and oil free as possible to maintain good BB accuracy. Excellent accuracy can be had at 2 to 3 pumps out to 5 yards, ok accuracy out to 10 yards, and beyond that, you'll be able to plink soda cans. Accuracy is a relative term here, we are talking shooting BBs from a oversized smoothbore barrel. For a cheap, quiet shooting option at 5 yards in the garage when the weather is bad, it is a great option.
Pushing the number of pumps up will also decrease accuracy. I've found 2 to 3 pumps yields the best accuracy.
If you want to spend some cash, I've heard the Daisy 499 is the way to go for shooting BBs. I can confirm that the 499 barrel is capable of stacking BBs at 5 yards, I've just never used one in the 499 itself.
I agree with Geo.
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Our 4-H kids are consistently shooting .68cal paintballs off of golf tees with 499Bs at five yards. I've got a broken-in Red Ryder that's done a dime-size group of five at the same distance.
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I bought a Red Ryder and the pictured 499b for $100.00 on the AA.
It cost the seller $35.00 to ship them both.
Good deal?
Uh, yeah!
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My Daisy Powerline 880 was pretty accurate with BB's. I could hit birds and cans at 20-25 yards pretty easy with it, I never shot for groups though when I was young and starting out.
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Before I got into air guns I was into muzzle loaders. I was looking at my old B-3 one day and thought "Heck! I bet I can figure out a way to shoot a patched BB through this thing! And I did. I developed a method of muzzle loading a patched BB in a B-3. Fifteen yard accuracy was quarter sized groups. That is the best accuracy I have ever wrung out of a BB shooter. I don't recommend trying it in anything but a junk gun that you really don't care for though. ;D
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My experience with bbs is the same as others, with the occasional exception of my Benjamin 160. I say occasional because I have never been careful to record which bbs worked best. European 4.4 mm round lead balls do very well in my Haenel 310 repeater.
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On the Daisy site they say the maximum range is 177 yards. Really? Now THAT is impressive for a BB gun.
This means the gun will spit it out that far...
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I have to give another shout out for the Daisy 35, it is very accurate for a smooth bore and easier to pump than a 760...I got a 35 to plink w/ BB's as I did not want to ruin an 880 rifled barrel. The 35 is a great deal and also been using it to kill ground wasps digging up the flower beds. I have tried both the open sights (which include a factory white dot!) and the Daisy red dot sight. using 2-3 pumps I can hit a tiny wasp with a BB from 5-10ft. And then go shoot cans at 15yrds, and put in a wad cutter pellet and killed a giant rat in the garage...this is the best deal for an "all round" gun...the 880 (or other rifled pumpers in same price range) would only out-do it for a bias towards hunting...but the 35 could do it all including your purpose of shooting BB's accurately...I even take it on the boat in case I need to dispatch any snakes or snapping turtles that become pests (thankfully none yet). I'm sure the 499 is better for ITS intended purpose, but it costs much more, and you can't control the power or use it for pest control or survival meat. If was only going to own ONE gun and the main purpose was plinking/targets w/ BB's, then that's the one until someone changes my mind LOL.
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Something I never thought to add to these threads is that the BBs I had the kids (scouts, my kids, clubs, etc.) shoot were "match" grade, they come in large cartons, I still have many pounds of them around. Don't try to get any kind of accuracy with the "copper" BBs. I'm guessing they were harder and rounder than the daisy copper clad BBs, but I don't remember for sure. I'm guessing someone knows and can chime in.
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I get better accuracy from Daisy BBs than Crosman BBs.
The Daisys and the Hornady Black Diamonds get about the same accuracy but I can see the Daisys travel to the target.
Daisy Premium Grade zinc coated BBs are what I like best.
I have not tried the Daisy Precision Ground Shot.
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My 880 is horrible with bbs. My APX NPG is too. Thd newer model ,760 I had shot s couple groups with bbs but had no consistency. I think that Daisy Avanti 499 is the way to go. But, it's pretty low on power. Otherwise, I say bbs just plain not so good.
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Its been a bit since I pulled out the 880, but the common complaints about bb accuracy seem to ring true for my experience. It was a happy day to group within 5" at 20 yards. Pellets were better, but always carried off to one side and I could never loosen that darn rear sight screw to adjust the windage.
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I just got an adult red ryder, and I've been impressed by the accuracy I'm seeing from it. Daisy precision max BBs seem to shoot well for me.
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In respect to inside safety
My 1377-rifled barrel-will reliably penetrate a normal cardboard box-4 splatter stickers and no more than 20 layers of newspaper are broken/cut
with 5 pumps- never ricochets-
On the other hand my all plastic "double action SIG 226 BERETTA 92" that actually charge with slide- will NOT reliable penetrate a regular shipping box with a splatter sticker-ricochet
every time(yes I wear glasses and safety glasses)
They will penetrate-reliable-a single splatter sticker on a thin ALLBRAN etc cereal box-packed with newspaper and tightly crumpled shipping paper-usually penetrates "not much paper"
I put a powerful MAGNET- 12x12x24mm square prism on the back of the 1377 receiver-it magnetizes the lower receiver and the probe-BB sticks-stays
Yes it is rifled-but barrels so cheap-who cares
Accuracy 1377 is OK for me-eyes so bad hardly matters-1" at 25 feet when I am lucky