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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Ironman482 on July 16, 2020, 01:09:25 PM
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Good news, checked my PA account this morning, my avenger order changed from backorder to "your order is beiing picked and packed " looks like I'll be getting a tracking notice soon.
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Here they come :) :)
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So who here will get to be the first RMA of a broken Avenger?
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Very cool 8) I'll definitely be watching people experiences with them for sure.
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For the time they took there should be 2 or 3 shipments in the dock.
I backed out of my order so I’m waiting to get full honest reviews from people that paid money for them.
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For the time they took there should be 2 or 3 shipments in the dock.
I backed out of my order so I’m waiting to get full honest reviews from people that paid money for them.
Good idea, and you can ask the people who own them specific questions.
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So who here will get to be the first RMA of a broken Avenger?
with my luck it'll be me.
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Picked and packed here too!
;) :D ;D
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Hmmmm...... If they received shipment I wonder with they still have them listed as per-order in all calibers?
One wouldn't think they had that many pre-orders.
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I got the shipping and tracking notice this morning, fedex dilivers on Saturday so maybe it'll arrive then, if not early next week for sure,time to top off my bottles and make a scope decision, got a Swfa Ss 16x that needs a place to roost.
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Hmmmm...... If they received shipment I wonder with they still have them listed as per-order in all calibers?
One wouldn't think they had that many pre-orders.
The entire first shipment is sold out. So they will still show as pre-order. Believe the next shipment will be arriving sometime in September.
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Hmmmm...... If they received shipment I wonder with they still have them listed as per-order in all calibers?
One wouldn't think they had that many pre-orders.
The entire first shipment is sold out. So they will still show as pre-order. Believe the next shipment will be arriving sometime in September.
Geez... even with all that buying power ya'll got? lol
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I bet they will be on eBay for 400.00 or more 😆
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I bet they will be on eBay for 400.00 or more 😆
Lol, beat me to it. Kinda like I saw someone sell a Nomad II for over 850 bucks not long ago...crazy.
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Fedex says monday by end of day.
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I just want to know if they shoot slugs, not hybrid, but slugs and how much power they can get with simple mods.
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I just want to know if they shoot slugs, not hybrid, but slugs and how much power they can get with simple mods.
I don't have any .25 cal slugs to try ,but do have some griffin hybrids to try ,if they do well I'll get some Nielsen slugs and test.
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Good news, checked my PA account this morning, my avenger order changed from backorder to "your order is beiing picked and packed " looks like I'll be getting a tracking notice soon.
Good luck on that. I hope you don't have the same issues i had. Not long ago I ordered some pellets and got that same message and it was over two weeks after that before they shipped. Just saying.
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For the time they took there should be 2 or 3 shipments in the dock.
I backed out of my order so I’m waiting to get full honest reviews from people that paid money for them.
I as well.
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I just want to know if they shoot slugs, not hybrid, but slugs and how much power they can get with simple mods.
I don't have any .25 cal slugs to try ,but do have some griffin hybrids to try ,if they do well I'll get some Nielsen slugs and test.
I will be waiting lol, I need a semi light weight slug thrower out to 75 yards.
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Is anyone concerned about all the plastic on it scope mounts look plastic and the side lever is plastic from reviews I have seen
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I just want to know if they shoot slugs, not hybrid, but slugs and how much power they can get with simple mods.
Steve on AEAC youtube channel just dropped his review video today, I'm impressed and I think others will be as well.
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Is anyone concerned about all the plastic on it scope mounts look plastic and the side lever is plastic from reviews I have seen
I am as well, they did an excellent job giving this much in a $300 pricetag....but I'll tell you what give me a match grade trigger and upgraded stock on this platform for a marauder price and this gun will set a new bar for even the high end pcps costing over $1000.
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Wow, APR+HSPR + 300/200bar + Degassing only for 300 is really good.
Also optic rail seams to be fixed hardly only to barrel and stock. Not to air pressure tube.
I hope that they add also some adjustable balanced valve and bullpup version ;).
https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/Air-Venturi-Avenger-air-rifle-manual.pdf (https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/Air-Venturi-Avenger-air-rifle-manual.pdf)
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Is anyone concerned about all the plastic on it scope mounts look plastic and the side lever is plastic from reviews I have seen
Scope mount is not plastic ...
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Scope rail is metal. As is the cocking mechanism. The drop down biathlon lever is plastic with a metal screw that runs all the way through it threading into the cocking lever.
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looks good !!! I may pull the trigger on this one.
I'm afraid it's going to be another QB Chief or Gaunlet. Remember all the hype ??
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From what I've read and videos I watched it seems like this will be a great gun for the price and I'm pretty sure I want one. But I will wait for others to get their's and use them awhile to make sure it really is as good as it seems. I want to buy something I can take out of the box, clean the barrel and just shoot, hopefully for several years before I have to deal with problems. Don't want to worry about leaks or any other new product defects. Lets see what the first purchasers have to say in a few months.
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and bullpup version ;).
Nova Vista did make a bullpup based on the Liberty. It wasn't imported here, but can be seen on some Spanish videos from other countries. They might make one based on the new chassis, but that lower 1/2 tube will probably make for some inletting challenges along with trigger linkage.
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My .25 Avenger arrived 5 minutes ago ,fedex delivers on sunday ,who knew, 1st thing I noticed is how light it feels,.no pressure in tube , lever action not as smooth as all the reviewer's claim ,but not bad triggers feels like about 3lbs , So time to head out to the hot ^&* shop to mount scope and clean barrel, looks like I'm the 1st get a Avenger whooo hoo.
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Congrats on being the 1st !!!
Weeeell ...were waiting. lol
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My experience with the Nova-Vista MFG airguns is that action after a hundred cycles or so smoothes out, or you can go into it and cure it right there and then, same as any high/low dollar air rifle and smooth it out to your preference.
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guns sent out to reviewer where probably well broken in,... yours will be alright just give her time
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guns sent out to reviewer where probably well broken in,... yours will be alright just give her time
Yup remember that hot gal in high school ??? LOL j/k sorta
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Time to take the stock off and show us what is really under there. Take the covers off the regulator and show us how it looks. you dont have to mess with it.
thanks in advance...if you get to it.
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Got the SS 16X mounted,now I remember why its not mounted on something ,the eye box is very narrow ,it'll do for now ,4 shots over the chrony 948,946,948 945 .reg was set at 2800-2900 gage is hard to read I'm leaning toward 2800psi ,only filled to 4000 ,barrel was typical China gun dirty about 12 patches to get a some what clean patch. Now to sight in , I'll remove stock after I've played with it a bit might even paint the stock ,its going to be my small game hunting rifle if the accuracy is there.
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Ok fired a couple 8 shot groups, not a tack driver ,but most of that is me , the guns so light it hard to hold perfectly still ,I think a bipod will help ,I'll mount one later ,it's hott'r fish grease out there.
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35 yrds on that target., the only mag I used was a tight fit in the reciver gotta push hard to snap in in all the way,but thats not necessarily a bad thing,and will probably loosen up some with use.
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35 yrds on that target., the only mag I used was a tight fit in the reciver gotta push hard to snap in in all the way,but thats not necessarily a bad thing,and will probably loosen up some with use.
That's normally a barrel too far back issue. You can probably adjust that if it don't get better.
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Hmm tolerances loosening up ? Few things that concern me with the OTB performance of these guns but reporting and rectifying these problems to an acceptable level will most likely occur.
I am sure a few hundred rounds and some finessing may cure most OTB issues, but hey it only cost you $300.00 for your problems. ;)
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Well, these things aren't assembled by robots so you do have the human factor. Then there is the Friday and Monday morning guns.
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My friday repairs happen more often and better than Monday ones @ home just say'n LOL
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35 yrds on that target., the only mag I used was a tight fit in the reciver gotta push hard to snap in in all the way,but thats not necessarily a bad thing,and will probably loosen up some with use.
That's normally a barrel too far back issue. You can probably adjust that if it don't get better.
yeah don't know why I didn't think of that ,had to do it on my NV Freedom every time I remove the barrel, no baffles in the dead space of the shroud ,a air stripper is one of the first things I'll try to build, already have a donnyfl tanto with adapter on the way, its a little loud for BYF use but not horrible.
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Accuracy should improve if you take it to 850-875fps, but you know this .
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Correction on the fps , my chrony was set on mps ,I'll ck again later with 25.4 gr jsb's, also I might have a leak ,after 4 mags of 8 on the 5th mag it came off the reg, so its sitting now at 4k and will ck on it in a couple hrs.
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Actually fps is correct when I turned the caldwell chrony off I pushed the switch too far and ended up on mps ,seen it later and turned it off and thought I had used it on mps ,after doing the conversion, realized no way was it on mps. I just need to sloooow down.lol
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Thanks Ron
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Well, these things aren't assembled by robots so you do have the human factor. Then there is the Friday and Monday morning guns.
Just like cars made on these dates as I recall in the 70’s and 80’s....lol
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Correction on the fps , my chrony was set on mps ,I'll ck again later with 25.4 gr jsb's, also I might have a leak ,after 4 mags of 8 on the 5th mag it came off the reg, so its sitting now at 4k and will ck on it in a couple hrs.
Not a good sign. Steve from AEAC mentioned in his review that the first rifle he received had a "leaky reg" and he was sent a replacement rifle from Pyramyd Air. He also mentioned the replacement was leak free and he liked the gun so much he opted to keep it for himself.
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The avenger has held 4k for 2 hrs now so false alarm on the leak , one thing I noticed is the mag is thinner than a gauntlet or mrod .25 mag ,but a 22 nova vista freedom mag is same size as the avenger .25 mag ,so they used the same breech for all calibers it looks like. So heavy slugs in 25 probably are a no go ,I did try some griffen 29 grn rat sniper slugs they fit and shot good but not as well as the jsb 25.4
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Thanks for the updates Ronald. Keep up the good work!
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Predictions were that the .25 may tie or fall short of the .22 but other aspects look promising 8)
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Shot this 8 shot group at 35yds with 29gr griffin slugs 5 of them were about 3/4 inch but I pulled the other 3 ,in better hands than mine I think it will do 1/2 in groups at 35yrds
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Just a hint. Take a black sharpie and put a dot in the middle of that red dot about the size of a pellet.... aim at the black dot.... You'll tighten those groups up. ;)
Many of us, including myself... when I aim at a 1/2" target I get 1/2" groups..... providing the gunand pellet are capable.
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He's basically saying...aim small, miss small. Hey, it's a new gun, takes time to figure it out.
have fun !!
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updates on the might have a "leak"?
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updates on the might have a "leak"?
A few posts back he said false alarm. Has been holding air at his fill pressure for two hours.
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Thanks for the tip Bill, I adjusted the trigger to 2lbs and degassed ,adjusted the reg to 2550ish as those gage's are hard to read backed the HS off 1 turn ,chrony'd 897 avarage for 8 shots then shot these two groups, more better!!!! With JDB 25.39 pellets
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You've been busy. Those groups are looking much better!
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I think a lot of people we’re eager for July 20th. I’m awaiting more reports on this rifle.
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I find it hard to believe I'm the only one in this group thats got a avenger so far ,would have thought the forum would've lit up with reports. By now. I've noticed the reg tends to creep up in pressure if you let it sit without firing for several hours , this is my 1st reg gun with a gage for the reg ,so don't know if this is common or not,what say yee experts of the airgun elite. LOL
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I find it hard to believe I'm the only one in this group thats got a avenger so far ,would have thought the forum would've lit up with reports. By now. I've noticed the reg tends to creep up in pressure if you let it sit without firing for several hours , this is my 1st reg gun with a gage for the reg ,so don't know if this is common or not,what say yee experts of the airgun elite. LOL
I preordered one 1 week after you and just tonight I received a "order processing" notif1tition.
Last January I purchased one of the $100.00 Liberty returns and it has worked flawlessly since I received it. I did add a gauge to the bottom on the plenum and it always showed creeping after sitting for a couple of days. I'm stilling using the original poppet which I was planning to replace. Since it cost me $200.00 more I hoping that it will perform as advertised.
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My .25 Avenger shipped last Friday. Spozed to be here by Thursday. We should start seeing other reports pretty soon.
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I have put in an order for the .177 I think that will be a fun little gun to tune and plink with. With all the pellet and slugs out there and with the adjustability of this gun it should be a great plinker and small game hunter. We will see when I get her.
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I removed tje SWFA SS 16X ,Just couldn't get used to the eye relief, installed a cheap tasco 2.5 x 10 and sifhted in with jsb 25.4 s same accuracy 3/4 @ 30yrds ,decided to try some seneca 35.8 pellets shot 1inch low at 35 but same 3/4 group, haven't chronyed them but probably 850-870 as the 25.4's were 896 fps ,gonna adjust the trigger a little lower ,my lyman scale says 2lbs but feels like more,and clean the barrel again, the reg is still at 2600, thunking about turning it down to 2400 ,my gauntlet 25 is set at 2150 and is very accurate at that psi ,don't know the plenum size on either ,but the gaunlets been opened up to .290 IIRC so I'm thinking the avenger has a smaller plenum.
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.290 was on my bulldog don't remember the size on the gauntlet.
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I am waiting for you to open up the plenum and measure with fluids. i bet its 5cc, what say you?
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Ok, I did a full string today ,dang its hot in the shop,I adjusted the reg to 2200psi and backed the HS off another 1/2 turn, with a 4000psi fill ( I'm not gonna do 4350 ) so I got 48 shots 6 full mags before it came off the reg last shot was still 10fps above lowest shot,average fps 881 , hi 892 low 868 ES 24 ,thats where I'm leaving it for now ,will check accuracy at that tune tomorrow, getting dark right now , anyway thats my 1st full tune on the 25 cal with JSB 25.4 EXACT's.
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Ronald that baby is definitely slinging those JSB's fast enough for sure and it does look like it'll be promising for the right slugs as well, I may have to just pick me up one of these guns in .25 because my Liberty in .22 covers the Nova Vista category for me. I have a mold that'd work really good for that gun and that gives me another good reason to buy one of these in .25. I sure do wish they had wood as an option too.
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Ronald, those numbers look really good. Nearly 44 FPE with less than 38 PSI per shot. Very efficient tune you got there. Let's hope those groups like this tune as well.
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Eayne, I don't see AV offering a wood stock ,just too much happening uder that plastic ,maybe Boyds will come up with one if enough people ask , and as light as the gun is alittle more wieght won't hurt the handling much ,it needs more wieght towards the rear anyway, the avenger was pushing the jsb's at 940 out of the box, I wonder why AV maxed the reg and HS out at the factory, thr pellet accuracy has to be better at around 870 or so.
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Heres a 8 shot group @ the new tune 25.4 JSB's the first 5 were almost same hole last 3 opened it up but thats on me just can't seem to keep a decent sight pic ,gun needs more wieght on the rear for me, the potential is there.
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Looks like its liking the new tune.
Can you pull the but pad and get to the hollow part of the stock? We use to fill the rear of our 880's with silicone for more weight and a solider feel. May help with yours if its possible.
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Yes the butt pad comes off ,I was thinking of filling it with expanding foam and a piece of 5/8 round bar ,but don't know if that will expand the stock to much ,I'm thinking if the buttpad is off all the pressure should go out the open end but the risk of damage might not be worth it.
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I would go with silicone caulk.... maybe even dump some of those useless pellets in there that none of our guns shoot well.
Tape a tube of caulk unto the bottom of your stock to get the feel of how it will affect balance before you do the deed. ;)
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I have a bunch of #4 bird shot ,like 4 25lb bags that I'll never load all of for shotgun use think I'll use that now that you mentioned the pellets Knife.
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One thing that work for me was filling the buttstock with expanding foam and shooting a thin film of bedliner in the bedding of the stock...
It gives the little play no room to go..
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I’ve used rubber mulch to fill several hollow plastic stocks, it’s been working well for me.
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Still waiting for my .177 to ship. Ordered on 7/1. On @SSS$$$'s review of the Avenger he put a 1lb block of duct seal, intact with the wrapper in the buttstock & said it really helped. Good review!(https://hardairmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/HAM-Avenger-14.jpg)
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The expanding foam will not have enough power to ruin the stock, some kind of weight and anchor it with the expanding foam.
BTW looks like the gun is a shooter, 48 shots at that power ?
is 3 times the shots you get with a Maurader
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The expanding foam will not have enough power to ruin the stock, some kind of weight and anchor it with the expanding foam.
BTW looks like the gun is a shooter, 48 shots at that power ?
is 3 times the shots you get with a Maurader
thats due to the high fill 4000psu vs low fill 3000psi. Marauder needs a good tune to get there
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The expanding foam will not have enough power to ruin the stock, some kind of weight and anchor it with the expanding foam.
BTW looks like the gun is a shooter, 48 shots at that power ?
is 3 times the shots you get with a Maurader
thats due to the high fill 4000psu vs low fill 3000psi. Marauder needs a good tune to get there
Yeah, that's what I'm saying
Pretty darn good gun there at 300 bucks out the box, if accuracy is there.....
Sidelever, lightweight, easily adjustable.......not bad, not bad at all at that price.
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My .22 ordered from PA 6/28 shipping today!
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I could care less about power....I can grab another gun of mine if I need more power. I want to see accuracy w/ a Chinese barrel for 300 bux. Watched Ted's review on the avenger and he put up his Impact 30 to compare guns, which shoots light out.
He testing avenger shooting on a big farm, with plenty of room, only shooting out to 75 yds. Hmmmm
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He testing avenger shooting on a big farm, with plenty of room, only shooting out to 75 yds. Hmmmm
It was windy. Why shoot it at 100 yards, then make excuses for wind? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhCoHIYn99o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhCoHIYn99o)
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I find it hard to believe I'm the only one in this group thats got a avenger so far ,would have thought the forum would've lit up with reports. By now. I've noticed the reg tends to creep up in pressure if you let it sit without firing for several hours , this is my 1st reg gun with a gage for the reg ,so don't know if this is common or not,what say yee experts of the airgun elite. LOL
I JUST got mine this afternoon... it's a .25, but due to Family coming first, I'll be a couple days before I do anything with it ...well...okay I filled it up to 3800 for a 'leak test' and put a favorite tube on the front... tried the trigger two times (sweet) and there it will sit until I get back home in a couple days....to clean and try. I have a scope in mind but that is a 'fluid decision'. I'll post results when I can
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Well, looks pretty good to me ...75 yards in the wind.
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Getting my .25 on Sat. & have 100yd. range, so will post groups ASAP. Part of the 1st wave ordered before the July 8th cutoff.
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I think I found my best pellet (so far) for my avenger ,the JSB king heavy 33.95 , 8 shots at 35yrds first 3 were same hole .
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That is nice grouping..
Did you observed better efficiency in shot count ??
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Very nice group Ronald. Good to know it likes the king heavy's!
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That is nice grouping..
Did you observed better efficiency in shot count ??
I haven't done a shot count with the heavy's, just tried to chrony them but my battery was dead forgot to turn it off yesderday.
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The shot count should be the same as the one I did with the 25.4's ,same reg and HS settings so nothing should have changed, the 33.9 heavy's shot to same POI as the 25.9's ,that was surprising, just finished cleaning the barrel this time a lot more thorough, with jb paste and pro7 ,now off to get some 9volt batteries. PS I NOTICED THE HEAVY'S WERE ALOT MORE CONSISTENT LOOKING THAN THE 25.9'S
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Looking more and more like 300 bucks well spent :)
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Look at what the mail lady just dropped off.
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Following with interest, just need a second wave of stimulis. For those thinking about using Great stuff expanding foam in the buttstock, it comes in several different expansion levels with the gaps and cracks in the red can being the least expansive. I like the duct seal idea also.
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Ok got the chrony up and going the 33.9's were avg 790fps so almost 100fps slower than the 25.4's, installed the donnyfl tonto and wow, reallymade a difference, BYF now ,talked to Hajimoto and he's working on a baffle stack, I'll get one of those too and it should be mouse fart quiet then . The donnyfl didn't affedt poi at all ,the 25.4's shot a 6 shot group that was one ragged hole at 35yds, the donnyfl adapter was loose I had to wrap it with teflon tape to get it straight, but no baffle strikes so far ,I ordered the .25 cal, some folks recommend going up one cal and with the loose threads that might be wise.
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The dogs not dead just old and lazy, like me
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The dogs not dead just old and lazy, like me
LOL. good thing you cleared that up. :o
My .22 is sitting at home on my deck waiting for me to get off work. Another couple hours and I'm outta here for 9 days. Hopefully will get some time to shoot my guns.
BTW, Great shooting with your .25. Looks like these guns might live up to the hype.
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The DonnyFL mods are really nice looking and well built. I saw them at AOA a few weeks ago.
Looks like there're worth the $$$.
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Ok got the chrony up and going the 33.9's were avg 790fps so almost 100fps slower than the 25.4's, installed the donnyfl tonto and wow, reallymade a difference, BYF now ,talked to Hajimoto and he's working on a baffle stack, I'll get one of those too and it should be mouse fart quiet then . The donnyfl didn't affedt poi at all ,the 25.4's shot a 6 shot group that was one ragged hole at 35yds, the donnyfl adapter was loose I had to wrap it with teflon tape to get it straight, but no baffle strikes so far ,I ordered the .25 cal, some folks recommend going up one cal and with the loose threads that might be wise.
That is on par with some grouping i saw from the FX impact... only difference is the price..
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The FX Impact is a whole nother class, but the avenger is knocking on the door, I should sell 5 or 6 guns and buy a impact ,we'll see ,till then I'm enjoying the heck out of this avenger
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Ironman, I hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your thread.
This is some quick shots with my new .22 Avenger.
Mounted a 4-16×44 Optisan Mamba lite on top and took it outside to shoot a few shots. I did not adjust anything and first shots with 18 gr JSB were 948, 950 . The reg was set about 2600 and shot a few groups at 35 yards with 18 and 16 gr JSB. They were not great but after about 50 shots it started to tighten up.
Next I dropped the reg pressure to 2200 and backed off the hammer spring until the 18 were at 885. It really started shooting good then . I ran out if time so I left it there for now. I need to clean the barrel and adjust the trigger. Its at 3# out of the box but has a long take up and a little creep. Kinda throws me off but I can make it better.
I'm very pleased with this gun for the $300 I spent on it. It will be nice to keep around as a loaner and all around plinker, hunter.
Sorry about the bad marker writing. Its all i could find.
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Randy ,that looks pretty good , I think the 22 will be a all round great cal. Mine was maxed out on HS and reg pressure , and it performs so much netter when backed off that I have to wonder why AV ships them this way, after I did a real thorough barrel cleaning the accuracy improved dramatically.
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Ironman, I hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your thread.
This is some quick shots with my new .22 Avenger.
Mounted a 4-16×44 Optisan Mamba lite on top and took it outside to shoot a few shots. I did not adjust anything and first shots with 18 gr JSB were 948, 950 . The reg was set about 2600 and shot a few groups at 35 yards with 18 and 16 gr JSB. They were not great but after about 50 shots it started to tighten up.
Next I dropped the reg pressure to 2200 and backed off the hammer spring until the 18 were at 885. It really started shooting good then . I ran out if time so I left it there for now. I need to clean the barrel and adjust the trigger. Its at 3# out of the box but has a long take up and a little creep. Kinda throws me off but I can make it better.
I'm very pleased with this gun for the $300 I spent on it. It will be nice to keep around as a loaner and all around plinker, hunter.
Sorry about the bad marker writing. Its all i could find.
If i remember correctly, Steve Shalley has a video mentionned of the eco tune..
The regulator was set at 1800psi and shooting similar to your results...
Dont want to mislead nobody here but i think it was verry efficient..
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https://youtu.be/oUpBxCbi5o8
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Oh yea, I have a lot more tuning and tweaking to do.
I really want to shoot the 16's around 900 for a pesting gun as I already have my Hubens shooting 18s and 25s.
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right out of the box barrel cleaning..... :o
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right out of the box barrel cleaning..... :o
My patches where identical to yours and it took 10 patches to get it semi-clean.
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Well, got my .25 Avenger on Saturday. It came with ~1000 psi so I filled it to 3500psi to let sit overnight. The regulator gauge showed 2900psi which I expected after filling. The gun was light, trigger light and crisp, and side lever smooth. Didn't shoot it.
Sunday morning, cylinder pressure said 3400 but regulator was now at 3200psi (via regulator gauge). Uh oh. Did some off hand shooting with H&N baracuda hunters, grizzlys, and NSA 34g slugs and they all shot well. So close. I then de-gassed it, changed regulator to 2500psi and refilled to 4000psi.
Hours later, Sunday afternoon, regulator gauge says 2800psi. Ack, maybe leaking regulator. Do you guys know of someone at Air Venturi to contact to get repair parts cause I really want to keep this airgun...
Rob
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Well, got my .25 Avenger on Saturday. It came with ~1000 psi so I filled it to 3500psi to let sit overnight. The regulator gauge showed 2900psi which I expected after filling. The gun was light, trigger light and crisp, and side lever smooth. Didn't shoot it.
Sunday morning, cylinder pressure said 3400 but regulator was now at 3200psi (via regulator gauge). Uh oh. Did some off hand shooting with H&N baracuda hunters, grizzlys, and NSA 34g slugs and they all shot well. So close. I then de-gassed it, changed regulator to 2500psi and refilled to 4000psi.
Hours later, Sunday afternoon, regulator gauge says 2800psi. Ack, maybe leaking regulator. Do you guys know of someone at Air Venturi to contact to get repair parts cause I really want to keep this airgun...
Rob
your in good hands, PA has your back...go to there site and contact them.
good luck and keep us informed.... ;)
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It may take some more shots to get the regulator to settle in, even the expensive guns need some lead down range to hit peak performance.
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It may take some more shots to get the regulator to settle in, even the expensive guns need some lead down range to hit peak performance.
100% agree. Give it a tin of pellets to break in before passing judgment on the reg.
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I am not suprised the regulator spikes above the set range. if its the same Nova parts used in the Liberty, its going to do it. easy to remedy but requires a strip down
If anyone want to send the assembled breech to me, ill fix the reg spike for free. just cover the shipping, ill have it returned in 7 days. i would buy one to play with but i have already spent too much on other airgun purchases. pm me
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Got my shipping notice today. Its on the way. Can't wait..
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Got my shipping notice today. Its on the way. Can't wait..
WHUU WHOO!
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Just getting my .25 broken in- some starting tune with 25.39 & 33gr.
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I got a tracking number on wednesday but hasn't shipped yet.
Hopefully soon.
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Update on my .25 avenger with the regulator creep:
Indeed, it has settle a little bit. it was going from 2400psi to 2900+ psi overnight but now it's going from 2400 to 2800 psi and holding there.
I like the rest well enough that I'm gonna keep the gun, hope it settles more, and clean up the regulator if/when I have to open her up for some reason.
Thanks for the help guys. Rob
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I may buy one of these guns some day but not today, I've got plenty of guns to play with right now as it is. I've been going hog wild with the Sentrys and have been having a lot of fun with them. It's been causing me to do a lot more casting of pellets and slugs as well because they're simply soooo much fun to shoot.
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I received my .25 avenger a week ago today. Besides shooting it one time without a scope on it just to hear it I haven`t done anything with it. I`ve been waiting on a scope purchased on ebay. More than a week later it still has not shipped so I picked up a cheap scope (Simmon`s) at Walmart just to have something on it while waiting for the better scope. After a few shots to zero it in I have to say the accuracy is sick! At thirty yards it stacks the pellets so tightly it`s hard to see more than one pellet went through the paper.
I have only used the JSB Jumbos so far but plan to shoot more today using some others on hand. I`ll extend the range too though most of my shooting is at short range.
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Them Simmons are not a bad scope for their cheap price. Glad you got some lead down range and right where you pointed it :)
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I received my .22 Avenger last week and finally got it set up. Due to physical restrictions from recent major surgery, I needed help getting it set up, tuned, and sighted in so I called on my good friend Springrrrr to give me a hand. The gun has no leaks and no reg creep. My goal was to shoot JSB 18.13's at 870-880 fps and we ended up achieving that goal with the reg set at 2000psi and 1 turn on the hammer spring (my hammer spring has a total of 3 turns of adjustment). It appears to be using approx. 20 psi per shot which is about 80 shots from 4000 psi to 2000 psi. After sighting it in, Springrrrr was shooting JSB 18.13's in the same hole at 25 yards. I tried a few shots and hit dead center each time. I also added a monocore baffle that I purchased from Geoffk on Ebay that has helped to quiet it down. The baffle fits over the end of the barrel inside the shroud and extends to the shroud end cap. The 2nd stage of the trigger had quite a bit of creep but I was able to remove most of it by adjusting the trigger pull weight screw. So far I'm thrilled with the Avenger. I especially like the fact that it only weighs 6 lbs which makes it much more manageable than my other 8 to 10 lb beasts.
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Ive had my .25 Avenger for 2 weeks now and am happy with it overall, but the accuracy is not as good as some of the other members are getting ,I think I need to disassemble it and ck for loose screws ect ,and add some weight to the buttstock , I ve adjusted the trigger to just under 2lbs with no creep the pull# feels like more than 2lbs so while I have it apart I'll see if I can improve the polish on the mating surfaces, the reg still creeps about 200lbs overnite but after one shot returns to 2200 lbs ,I can live with that,looks to be well built for 300.00 ,time will tell
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Check the to in the barrel for burrs. My liberty had some when I checked it and we all know that the liberty is the avenger's older brother.
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I received my .22 Avenger last week and finally got it set up. Due to physical restrictions from recent major surgery, I needed help getting it set up, tuned, and sighted in so I called on my good friend Springrrrr to give me a hand. The gun has no leaks and no reg creep. My goal was to shoot JSB 18.13's at 870-880 fps and we ended up achieving that goal with the reg set at 2000psi and 1 turn on the hammer spring (my hammer spring has a total of 3 turns of adjustment). It appears to be using approx. 20 psi per shot which is about 80 shots from 4000 psi to 2000 psi. After sighting it in, Springrrrr was shooting JSB 18.13's in the same hole at 25 yards. I tried a few shots and hit dead center each time. I also added a monocore baffle that I purchased from Geoffk on Ebay that has helped to quiet it down. The baffle fits over the end of the barrel inside the shroud and extends to the shroud end cap. The 2nd stage of the trigger had quite a bit of creep but I was able to remove most of it by adjusting the trigger pull weight screw. So far I'm thrilled with the Avenger. I especially like the fact that it only weighs 6 lbs which makes it much more manageable than my other 8 to 10 lb beasts.
My bad on the math. That would be 100 shots from 4000 psi to 2000 psi.
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I knocked my avenger over last night with the donny fl tanto on it ,it bent the tonto at a bad angle, (should have took pic) .fortunately the adapter was a loose fit and I wrapped it with 2 layers of teflon tape and was able to get it off ok rewrappef the adapter and installed the tanto tried to site it in this morning can't get 2 pellets in the same spot so looks like new scpoe and tear down in the future, no pellet strikes on the tanto so thats good.
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Well folks I went and bought another airgun and it's the Avenger 25 Cal, ordered it yesterday about 4pm, already got the UPS tracking number and it's supposed to be here Tuesday 8)
I didn't want it in .22 simply because I'm happy with my Liberty that's shooting fantastic these days, I may even open the barrel port on it soon ???
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Well folks I went and bought another airgun and it's the Avenger 25 Cal, ordered it yesterday about 4pm, already got the UPS tracking number and it's supposed to be here Tuesday 8)
I didn't want it in .22 simply because I'm happy with my Liberty that's shooting fantastic these days, I may even open the barrel port on it soon ???
Wayne, good move. You are like me, you definitely did not need it but wanted it. I'm very happy with mine (.22) and I find that it's a big
improvement over the $100 Liberty which has also been performing great.
The adjustability is what turned me on and it amazes me how quality is going UP and prices are coming DOWN on all air guns.
At least you did not have to wait 6 months like me.
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Wayne, I think you made a very good call there. Lugging those Sentries around in the woods will kill you. With the liter Avenger you may find yourself staying in the woods all day. Have you decided on a scope?
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Well folks I went and bought another airgun and it's the Avenger 25 Cal, ordered it yesterday about 4pm, already got the UPS tracking number and it's supposed to be here Tuesday 8)
I didn't want it in .22 simply because I'm happy with my Liberty that's shooting fantastic these days, I may even open the barrel port on it soon ???
Well, we gonna see a good review on this one for sure now,...you gonna shoot only bullets or you gonna try pellets too ?
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Well folks I went and bought another airgun and it's the Avenger 25 Cal, ordered it yesterday about 4pm, already got the UPS tracking number and it's supposed to be here Tuesday 8)
I didn't want it in .22 simply because I'm happy with my Liberty that's shooting fantastic these days, I may even open the barrel port on it soon ???
Awesome Wayne!!! Keep us informed this looks like a winner!
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Hey Wayne, welcome to the .25 cal Avenger club. I can relate to your joy in shooting the Liberty, (I have 3 in .22, with two Duy poppets, that I love) but this gun is in a different league. Been messing around with my .25 for a about a week and I can tell you that this gun is fantastic! It will do whatever you want at the turn of a screw. It's really nice to not have to tear it apart to change the settings. And, even though I love my Liberty's, they can't keep up with the accuracy of this rifle. You will love it!
If I do my part, it will usually hold 5-shot groups inside a dime at 50 yards with both the JSB King 25.39's and the King Heavy 33.95's. Haven't tried slugs yet.
Steve
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Rick Rehm's (shooter1721) review is one that really convinced me that the gun is a great shooter, I've already cast up a bunch of slugs that'll work in it plus I've got plenty of 26 grain Hunters and also some of the 34.5 grain magnum hunters cast. I probably would have been after the Liberty in 25 cal but they were never imported here in the U.S. I had a hunch that the only place you could order these was from PA or Airgun Depot however when I seen a thread about them being for sale at "RL Airguns" along with free shipping, I went for it.
Wayne, I think you made a very good call there. Lugging those Sentries around in the woods will kill you. With the liter Avenger you may find yourself staying in the woods all day. Have you decided on a scope?
I'm sure that I'll have a lot of fun with the gun no doubt, I do really like my Sentry collection though, I just tore down my 705-9K because it had developed a slow leak recently and I'm pretty sure that I've got it figured out. I'm thinking that it was leaking through the degass block because the entire thing was loaded with grit and I'm sure that some of it might have gotten down in the valve as well, I've got the air tube pressurized right now and going to let it sit for several hours to see if it's sealed good then reassemble it the rest of the way.
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I knocked my avenger over last night with the donny fl tanto on it ,it bent the tonto at a bad angle, (should have took pic) .fortunately the adapter was a loose fit and I wrapped it with 2 layers of teflon tape and was able to get it off ok rewrappef the adapter and installed the tanto tried to site it in this morning can't get 2 pellets in the same spot so looks like new scpoe and tear down in the future, no pellet strikes on the tanto so thats good.
well I decided to take the scop off and then the small 11mm rail off the front half of the breech to ck the barrel grub screws, what do you know, the two tiny counter sunk screws were loose ,not afull turn loosr but enough to cause poi problems the barrel screws were tight and there are 3 ,one large and two smaller ones ,reinstalled the scope and sited in one hole groups at 35yrds ,I think I found my accuracy problem,oh happy days.
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So who's gonna be 1st to tear it apart and look athe the poppet et al?
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Nova Vista sell their guns world wide, so they must follow the forums to get feedback on there guns performance. Any company will not know if they need to improve something unless they get returns? ATI would just sell the returned guns as parts guns & not return them to China. They seem to be a forward thinking company so hopefully they changed the poppet material. We will see!
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Ironman, how much difference does the Tanto make. I don't find my .25 to be loud, say compared to my Sentry which produces a good crack. And congrats on finding and fixing your gun, that is a good feeling.
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Those of you that have the Avenger in .22, do you consider it quiet enough? If not, can internal baffles be added to quiet it sufficiently? Would rather not add extra length in a external LDC.
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there is a baffle system you can install, a member here posted about them
advertising on ebay..... check the earliers posts in the AV avenger and other avenger threads. ;)
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Have a .22 avenger. Been doing some slug testing. NSA stuff, JSB knock outs and a few H&N slugs. I have the reg about 2500 and 5 turns on the hammer and shooting the NSA 24.8gr .218 at 855fps. So far the NSA 24.8gr .218, JSB jumbo monster redesigned 25.39 and H&N slugs 21gr .217 are shooting the best. Testing at 45yards. I also just finished a barrel band, had a ton of flex and was having POI issues. Great gun so far!!!
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there is a baffle system you can install, a member here posted about them
advertising on ebay..... check the earliers posts in the AV avenger and other avenger threads. ;)
Found the Ebay Seller - looks like they're 3D-printing both a internal baffle system and a external moderator. https://www.ebay.com/usr/12ab34cd (https://www.ebay.com/usr/12ab34cd)
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there is a baffle system you can install, a member here posted about them
advertising on ebay..... check the earlier posts in the AV avenger and other avenger threads. ;)
Found the Ebay Seller - looks like they're 3D-printing both a internal baffle system and a external moderator. https://www.ebay.com/usr/12ab34cd (https://www.ebay.com/usr/12ab34cd)
awesome !!! glad you found it..... 8)
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Have a .22 avenger. Been doing some slug testing. NSA stuff, JSB knock outs and a few H&N slugs. I have the reg about 2500 and 5 turns on the hammer and shooting the NSA 24.8gr .218 at 855fps. So far the NSA 24.8gr .218, JSB jumbo monster redesigned 25.39 and H&N slugs 21gr .217 are shooting the best. Testing at 45yards. I also just finished a barrel band, had a ton of flex and was having POI issues. Great gun so far!!!
with my .22, its going to be hard to beat the JSB RDJM...25.39gr @ 50yrd !!
ive tried quite a few slugs i use in my impact (.218) and none compare yet...
i just ordered the .217 sampler from nick so maybe i'll get lucky ;)
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Avengers are looking better day after day
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Have a .22 avenger. Been doing some slug testing. NSA stuff, JSB knock outs and a few H&N slugs. I have the reg about 2500 and 5 turns on the hammer and shooting the NSA 24.8gr .218 at 855fps. So far the NSA 24.8gr .218, JSB jumbo monster redesigned 25.39 and H&N slugs 21gr .217 are shooting the best. Testing at 45yards. I also just finished a barrel band, had a ton of flex and was having POI issues. Great gun so far!!!
with my .22, its going to be hard to beat the JSB RDJM...25.39gr @ 50yrd !!
ive tried quite a few slugs i use in my impact (.218) and none compare yet...
i just ordered the .217 sampler from nick so maybe i'll get lucky ;)
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Ironman, how much difference does the Tanto make. I don't find my .25 to be loud, say compared to my Sentry which produces a good crack. And congrats on finding and fixing your gun, that is a good feeling.
the tanto makes a big difference, but I want haji's air stripper and baffles too so you get the full benefit of the shroud plis yhe barrel is captured at the end instead of farther back, just like the nova freedom's the barrel support blocks the shroud anf and limits the volume that is avalible, last time I checked Haji is out of stock for the .25 ,so I'm waiting.
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Gendoc, would like to know what you come up with on the .217 pack. I tried a few .217 but mine so far is better with the .218 though much harder to load. Very tight fit!
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Gendoc, would like to know what you come up with on the .217 pack. I tried a few .217 but mine so far is better with the .218 though much harder to load. Very tight fit!
will do !!
i tried about 6 top quality slugs in .218, they were very fps consistant and close to the RD's...but not what i was wanting in a slug POI... 8)
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Can anybody chime in on their Avenger compared to high end stuff (2k +) As far as accuracy 50 &100 yards ?
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Can anybody chime in on their Avenger compared to high end stuff (2k +)
i can.... pellet wise, its just as fun and nearly as accurate as my impact mk2/pp in .22(>2k)
my kalibur cricket in .22...and my Taipan compact. (<2k)
its got a ways to go before competeing with the cricket, taipan and career-II (<1k) in accuracy ;)
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Guys
I just got this info from PA, seems that Tom and been wringing out the Avenger in his 8 pt series.
There is some useful info contained in these 8 part series,
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#trash/FMfcgxwJXLhBVprBMShfcLChpFknHxNs
Scroll down to find the Avenger series.
I am itching real hard on a 25 cal to run against my 25 cal Sentry................. ;)
Don
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Guys
I just got this info from PA, seems that Tom and been wringing out the Avenger in his 8 pt series.
There is some useful info contained in these 8 part series,
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#trash/FMfcgxwJXLhBVprBMShfcLChpFknHxNs
Scroll down to find the Avenger series.
I am itching real hard on a 25 cal to run against my 25 cal Sentry................. ;)
Don
if the avenger is done right, it wont have much of a job against the sentry.....
i have been there and have the flowers from the sentry...... ;)
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John
I am interested in the hammer adjustment of the Sentry,
so far I have seen very little info on this part of the Sentry,
It may be possible with a good machined spring base, (OEM factory one is a joke),
and a good use able spring, and maybe a SSG and Reg involved, the Sentry's could sing a great song.
I am going to try the flat springs/lite weight hammers to see the results,
made ALL the difference in my QB/Gauntlet etc.
Don
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John
I am interested in the hammer adjustment of the Sentry,
so far I have seen very little info on this part of the Sentry,
It may be possible with a good machined spring base, (OEM factory one is a joke),
and a good use able spring, and maybe a SSG and Reg involved, the Sentry's could sing a great song.
I am going to try the flat springs/lite weight hammers to see the results,
made ALL the difference in my QB/Gauntlet etc.
Don
barrel work is needed on the sentry, thats what Rocker1 worked on with mine and it became ruthless !!! but, not as consistant as the avenger out of the box.
i think its barrel quality to start off with ;)
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you get a sentry to do this @ 50yrds...
1st shot is the known regulator creep the avengers have sitting with pressure on the reg, then 9 following shots.
JSB .22 =redesigned 25.39 monsters @ 879fps avg
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Nice shootin Doc, headed out tomorrow to try some 50, 100 and maybe 150 with the AV and some heavy JSB lead. NSAs aren’t here yet.
Even if the gun is that good pretty sure I’m not yet.
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The Avenger is definitely a one ragged hole gun with little effort out of the box with shooting most anything at 40 yards. I have not tried any slugs until I polish and slug the barrel.
An adjustable cheek plate is a must for me as well as some trigger improvements with less creep and side play. Than again this a $299.00 air gun which offers a super bang for the buck.
I love the adjustability.
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Doc
Great shooting for a 1 eyed Fat Man......................... ;) ;D Jerkin on your chain a wee bit.........LOL
What size is that target dot 3/4 or 1"?
Thanks,
Don
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i will go and check...stand by
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of course the battery was dead !!! ::)
here it is....
and BTW, 195lbs drippin wet ;D
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Thanks Doc
LOL
Got to go set the 50/100 yd back stops................... ;)
Don
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I bought my baffle from Geoffk on EBay. He advertises Liberty baffles but also makes Avenger baffles. The Avenger baffle is shorter than the Liberty. If you order one from him, make sure he knows you want a baffle for the Avenger not the Liberty.
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I bought my baffle from Geoffk on EBay. He advertises Liberty baffles but also makes Avenger baffles. The Avenger baffle is shorter than the Liberty. If you order one from him, make sure he knows you want a baffle for the Avenger not the Liberty.
Do you have a link to his Seller page? I tried searching and came up with nada.
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Check here,
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Monocore-Moderator-Suppressor-Baffle-for-ATI-Nova-Liberty/333599993252?hash=item4dac1beda4:g:onUAAOSwsV5ev15E (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Monocore-Moderator-Suppressor-Baffle-for-ATI-Nova-Liberty/333599993252?hash=item4dac1beda4:g:onUAAOSwsV5ev15E)
HTH;s
Don
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Thanks Don!
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I have a .25 & very impressed with the accuracy & so far no hiccups- would like better trigger adjustment but not bad- Shooting Jsb 25.39 & AA 25.4 & both running @ 890 avg. Reg set @ 1900 & HS@ 3 turns- getting an easy 48 shots without coming off reg. (https://i.postimg.cc/v8jRH8Vg/img053-min.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) Shot a bit @ 100 yesterday & 1st 3 @cloverleaf~ 1/2", then the shooter fell apart under pressure LOL. More today. The link is @ 65yds. & 16 shots
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Very impressive results Steve. Curious to know what the Extreme Spread was at those settings, and your starting fill pressure. Thanks.
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These are with my .25 @ 102 yds with tune @ 1900-2000 reg output & HS 3 turns out avg 880-890. This ones a winner!! Had gusts W @ 5-8 mph.5 shot groups
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Well I got my Avenger today, the reg on it is set to 2900psi (definitely on the high side) so I put 20 shots through it using my cast NOE 249-39-RF slugs sized down to .248 to see what kind of energy it was delivering and I was quite surprised to see all 20 shots that I put through it starting at 3400psi down to about 2800psi.
1, 789.2 - 50.49fpe 6. 804.5 - 52.46 11. 806.1 - 52.67fpe 16. 808.0 - 52.92fpe
2. 796.1 - 51.37fpe 7. 802.5 - 52.20 12. 800.6 - 51.96fpe 17. 813.1 - 53.59fpe
3. 798.9 - 51.75fpe 8. 798.3 - 51.66 13. 810.5 - 53.25fpe 18. 820.3 - 54.54fpe
4. 806.1 - 52.67fpe 9. 800.7 - 51.97 14. 805.9 - 52.65fpe 19. 798.3 - 51.66fpe
5. 807.2 - 52.82fpe 10. 802.6 - 52.22 15. 799.3 - 51.79fpe 20. 791.8 - 50.82fpe
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Does anyone have an Avenger in .177? If so is it as good as the reviews I've been seeing on the .22 and .25? I was planning to buy 1 in .22 but don't feel like waiting until they are back in stock but did find a store with the .177 in stock. Wondering if it will be good out to 50 yards or should I wait for a .22.
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I was on the Utah Air Gun site today, they were out of stock of the .177 but looked like they had .22 and .25 in stock! ;D
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I was on the Utah Air Gun site today, they were out of stock of the .177 but looked like they had .22 and .25 in stock! ;D
Great, thank you just ordered it!
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Did you go with the .22 or .25? I have a .22 but thinking of ordering a .25 as well. I have mine tuned up shooting NSA 24gr and JSB 25gr. I'm thinking with the .25 cal I could shoot 25gr without putting so much stress on everything. I could tune down the .22 and just about double the shot count. Just a thought???? I would like to know how the .177 are doing.
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Did you go with the .22 or .25? I have a .22 but thinking of ordering a .25 as well. I have mine tuned up shooting NSA 24gr and JSB 25gr. I'm thinking with the .25 cal I could shoot 25gr without putting so much stress on everything. I could tune down the .22 and just about double the shot count. Just a thought???? I would like to know how the .177 are doing.
.177 seems to be an over looked caliber in PCPs , I have a few .177s and with the heavy pellets / slugs they keep right up to some of my .22s with the heavier ammo now available.
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Rick- shooter 1721 was able to blow the candles out with the avenger .25 ... ;D ;D at 50 yards :o...
my .25 avenger is on the way , I went over to walmart ,and bought the same scope as Rick was using = center point 3x12x44 to try out ..this one has the etched glass reticle 30mm tube , ballistic moa reticle precision lock ring turrets with zero resetting capability , it also comes with picatinny rings that appear to be the right height for the avenger looking at Ricks avenger ... price is 104 bucks , appears to be very clear on 12 power ...
so just over 400 bucks for gun ,and scope with all the great features of both gun ,and scope is amazing ! ;D ;D ;D ... this new avenger is setting the bar pretty darn high for the lower cost guns....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqxKYmHRm0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqxKYmHRm0)
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Rick- shooter 1721 was able to blow the candles out with the avenger .25 ... ;D ;D at 50 yards :o...
my .25 avenger is on the way , I went over to walmart ,and bought the same scope as Rick was using = center point 3x12x44 to try out ..this one has the etched glass reticle 30mm tube , ballistic moa reticle precision lock ring turrets with zero resetting capability , it also comes with picatinny rings that appear to be the right height for the avenger looking at Ricks avenger ... price is 104 bucks , appears to be very clear on 12 power ...
so just over 400 bucks for gun ,and scope with all the great features of both gun ,and scope is amazing ! ;D ;D ;D ... this new avenger is setting the bar pretty darn high for the lower cost guns....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqxKYmHRm0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqxKYmHRm0)
GREAT video, thanks! Also wondering what that bipod is you have on it?
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I dropped the reg pressure down to about 2450psi and it's shooting my 34.5 grainers flat out amazing for power, better than those slugs for sure. I tried the 26 grain hunters for 10 shots in it but they're shooting too fast so I grabbed my 34.5 grain Magnum Hunters and did a 20 shot string . . . . this gun is amazingly easy to adjust everything externally.
Here's what the 34.5 grainers did here's what the 26 grain Hunters did
1. 849.5 - 55.29fpe 6. 858.0 - 56.40fpe 11. 858.7 - 56.50fpe 16. 847.0 - 54.97fpe 1. 974.7 - 54.86fpe 6. 995.8 - 57.26fpe
2. 848.1 - 55.11fpe 7. 848.4 - 55.15fpe 12. 868.4 - 57.78fpe 17. 843.2 - 54.47fpe 2. 943.2 - 51.37fpe 7. 982.7 - 55.76fpe
3. 859.0 - 56.54fpe 8. 854.2 - 55.91fpe 13. 850.5 - 55.42fpe 18. 852.8 - 55.72fpe 3. 974.0 - 54.78fpe 8. 974.0 - 54.78fpe
4. 834.8 - 53.39fpe 9. 845.6 - 54.79fpe 14. 852.8 - 55.72fpe 19. 855.4 - 56.06fpe 4. 983.3 - 55.83fpe 9. 937.2 - 50.72fpe
5. 856.0 - 56.14fpe 10. 862.0 - 56.93fpe 15. 862.0 - 56.93fpe 20. 851.5 - 55.55fpe 5. 995.7 - 57.25fpe 10. 977.6 - 55.18fpe
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I'm close to getting in on this one.
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I'm close to getting in on this one.
Bill, you can't go wrong and you won't regret it. So far all plusses.
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I am also interested in knowing what bipod that is?
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Probably exceeds the cost of the gun :o
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LOL.... you may be right.
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Avator, My stable of guns is not that great but I know a keeper when I shoot it. Do yourself a favor and buy one in your caliber of choice, you will be glad you did.
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OK, OK, OK !!!! I did it.
Just placed my order for the .25 from RL Airguns. $299 shipped.
Y'all happy now? lol
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Did you go with the .22 or .25? I have a .22 but thinking of ordering a .25 as well. I have mine tuned up shooting NSA 24gr and JSB 25gr. I'm thinking with the .25 cal I could shoot 25gr without putting so much stress on everything. I could tune down the .22 and just about double the shot count. Just a thought???? I would like to know how the .177 are doing.
Since they had it in stock I went with the .22. Don't need the power of the .25 but wanted heavier pellets than the .177's to keep them going at slightly longer distances.
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I am also interested in knowing what bipod that is?
I actually asked Rick Rehm that same question on Instagram weeks ago. He only said it was a Leapers/UTG. Pretty sure it's this one here, which sells for around $40 on Amazon...
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Rubber-Armored-Metal-Height/dp/B06VV3MH76/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=leapers+utg+bipod&qid=1597238175&sprefix=leapers+&sr=8-7 (https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Rubber-Armored-Metal-Height/dp/B06VV3MH76/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=leapers+utg+bipod&qid=1597238175&sprefix=leapers+&sr=8-7)
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Looks like it..... thanks.
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So, being regged and a 4300+ psi fill, where would the sweet spot be for, say, 3 mags in .25? That would be 24 shots.
Reason being, I have the Vevor compressor that I will be filling with. It would be less on it if I didn't need to gas it to max for 3 mags. Don't get me wrong, that little Vevor has done a heck of a job for two years topping off guns to 3k+. Just would like it to last as long as possible. Be nice if I could go, maybe, somewhere between 3500 and 4000.
I can set the reg down to increase shot count.... I'm not a hunter, just paper and some furry pests and I want to reach the 50 or so yards that I have available.
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So, being regged and a 4300+ psi fill, where would the sweet spot be for, say, 3 mags in .25? That would be 24 shots.
Reason being, I have the Vevor compressor that I will be filling with. It would be less on it if I didn't need to gas it to max for 3 mags. Don't get me wrong, that little Vevor has done a heck of a job for two years topping off guns to 3k+. Just would like it to last as long as possible. Be nice if I could go, maybe, somewhere between 3500 and 4000.
I can set the reg down to increase shot count.... I'm not a hunter, just paper and some furry pests and I want to reach the 50 or so yards that I have available.
I am getting 48+ shots with reg set @ 1900 & 4000psi fill & still not off the reg@ 890fps with Jsb 25.39. You can go with 3000 fill, just less shots.
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LOL.... looks like I need more mags.
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Where was your reg set out of box?
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WOW,...this Avengers are looking better and better every day.
What a gun for 300 buck !!!!!! ...what a gun.
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I dont have a crony but I got 6 clips out of a 3200 psi fill yesterday. Against that is a .25.
And yes, Avator, I am satisfied. I have done my good deed for the day!
I want to point out I am no fan of China these days and I almost passed on this gun because of their behavior.
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Bill my reg came set to 2900psi which is way too much, I turned it down to 2300psi but I'm thinking about turning it down to 2100psi and use the 26 grainers in it.
Here's five shots I did this morning.
https://youtu.be/6f6K8uApjZE
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I am definitely going to follow your lead Wayne.
I'll most likely shoot the JSB kings.
I do have others to try though.
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Bill I'm going to set mine at 2K soon, I need to figure out where I want my hammer setting too, I'll turn the hammer adjustment back all the way, set the regulator to 2K and see what I end up with. Once I've reached the maximum fps I'll back the hammer off about 1/4 turn.
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Sounds good...
I just got shipping confirmation from R&L but no tracking number.
Looks like it's on the way. Not bad, I just placed the order this morning.
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I think it was Friday morning that I ordered mine and had it in my mitt's yesterday around noon.
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I don't mind if it comes Monday or later.... we'll be in the woods this weekend.
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Following this. I have a .25 cal coming from RL this week also.
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Congrats Joe.
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Thanks, Avator. And congrats to you too! I got this baffle coming too. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Internal-Shroud-Baffles-for-Air-Venturi-Avenger/333669785823?hash=item4db044e0df:g:zzgAAOSwtX5fIedS (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Internal-Shroud-Baffles-for-Air-Venturi-Avenger/333669785823?hash=item4db044e0df:g:zzgAAOSwtX5fIedS)
Keith
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I'm pretty sure it won't be no where near as loud as my nekid Sumatra or my 12ga shotgun so I don't need no stinkin' baffle.... lol
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Was exploring baffles for airgun shrouds on ebay, found the guy (geoffk) recommended by members here, who makes them for the ATI Liberty right now. I reached out to him and explained I have an Umarex Origin on order that is similar to the Avenger.
Turns out he has baffles available right now for the Avenger, but just hasn't updated his ebay listings yet. So I ordered one on the chances it will also fit my incoming Origin.
If anybody's interested I contacted him through his ebay listing on the Liberty baffles.
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OK, OK, OK !!!! I did it.
Just placed my order for the .25 from RL Airguns. $299 shipped.
Y'all happy now? lol
HA ! HA ! ;D ;D ;D it just comes to a point that ya got to have it no matter how many guns you have! ... I kept telling myself you have enough air guns you don't need it ... but the gun is to good for the $$$ to pass up so I ordered the avenger .25 from RL and it should be here in the next day or 2 ... so much for will power the Dark side won again with avenger ! ::) and i cant wait to get/shoot the avenger .. ;D ;D ;)
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I won't order baffles on ebay anymore simply because the last I ordered for my Liberty did absolutely nothing for the gun.
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My Liberty does great with just a spring and a scotch brite pad upfront. Low tech but works great, idea came from Dave ezman.
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I'm using a 1" TKO moderator in 25 cal on my .22 Avenger. Really quiets the gun down and does not block the fill port cap. Adds about 7" to the gun length though. I think this is it:
http://www.tko22.com/Section4.html (http://www.tko22.com/Section4.html)
Also need the DonnyFl 1/2 x 20 adapter:
https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/nova-vista-liberty-1-2-x-20-a50 (https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/nova-vista-liberty-1-2-x-20-a50)
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This seems to be the best deal going and I think he offers a GTA coupon code for like 10% off. For under $22 how could you go wrong if it even quiets it just a little? And it adds under 2". Adding 7" would be a deal breaker for me.
https://www.airgununiverse.net/wp/store/aspen-liberty-freedom-and-avenger-shroud-enhancement-kit/ (https://www.airgununiverse.net/wp/store/aspen-liberty-freedom-and-avenger-shroud-enhancement-kit/)
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My Liberty does great with just a spring and a scotch brite pad upfront. Low tech but works great, idea came from Dave ezman.
Tom I'll probably go that route because the gun is long enough as it is. I won't be shooting mine out in the back yard anyway 8)
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Is the gun really that loud?
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It's not super loud but loud enough so a squirrel or other critter will know where the shot is coming from.
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Bought 2 extra mags from PA and that bipod from the video from Amazon.
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This is what sold me on Geoffk's baffle design, note the air stripper cones and vent slot patterns, yet it disappears completely down into the barrel shroud for no increase in length (this particular one is for Hatsans, the ones for the Avenger/Liberty will be shorter).
Mine will be here Tuesday, same day as my gun!
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For Avenger/Liberty -
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I was out in the woods with mine again today, darned thing is one heck of a shooter. I was using my 26 grainers today shooting those about 880fps. The mags are working perfect now.
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Haji has the air stripper/baffle stak back in stock for the .25 ordered mine this morning, that with the donny tanto should be mouse fart quiet, think I'll crown the muzzle while I have it apart to drill the shroud polish the barrel again and paint the stock with plastic dip camo and fill the butt stock with foam, maybe upgrade the scope at the same time
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I was out in the woods with mine again today, darned thing is one heck of a shooter. I was using my 26 grainers today shooting those about 880fps. The mags are working perfect now.
my mags were very tight when new ,I didn't do anything to them ,now after 500+ rds they are just a little tight and its not the barrel sticking out to far ,they were just oversized a little, I like them the way they are now ,not loose like my gauntlet.
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Bought 2 extra mags from PA and that bipod from the video from Amazon.
Bill do you have a link to the Amazon bipod ? you just cant go wrong with what Rick uses on the guns ... ;) and his shooting is second to none , thats why i always look up his channel for the guns I am interested in to see how accurate they really can be ...
My avenger .25 is on the UPS truck to be delivered today , Randy has it set up requiring signature , so I have to stay here till it arrives ,I had to run to the lumber yard earlier ,but no notice so I did not miss UPS yet so its back to work on the new stair case on my second story deck till UPS gets here ... ;D
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Here ya go Dan...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VV3MH76/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VV3MH76/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Silly me..... I totally missed the UPS delivery e-mail in my box.
Tracking shows my gun to arrive Monday. That's perfect, we'll be back from camping at the atv park and the gun won't sit out on the deck.
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Baffle does not make much difference in the report. .25 is Pretty quiet even without the baffle. Actually, the bore of the baffle that I got is on the large size, which Does make a difference. Arrived with 3K pressure and reg set at 2900.
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Silly me..... I totally missed the UPS delivery e-mail in my box.
Tracking shows my gun to arrive Monday. That's perfect, we'll be back from camping at the atv park and the gun won't sit out on the deck.
Bill when mine came they rang my door bell after having set my gun on the porch, backed off til I answered the door to make sure that I was there, he said he didn't require a signature as long as my name matches the packages address and all was good, I didn't have to actually sign because of the covid19 thing.
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We live at Plumb and 40.
Plumb out in the woods and 40 miles from anywhere. All the delivery and mail folks know us well. One mail lady even brings old Rambo biscuits. We never sign for anything. If we ain't home they take the items around back and put them on the deck out of the weather and under the cameras.
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We live at Plumb and 40.
Plumb out in the woods and 40 miles from anywhere. All the delivery and mail folks know us well. One mail lady even brings old Rambo biscuits. We never sign for anything. If we ain't home they take the items around back and put them on the deck out of the weather and under the cameras.
Haha, I have not heard that saying in forever...you're always good for a hearty laugh everyday Bill!
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It's a curse.... ;)
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I made a joke with a Korean today... he didn't find it funny and went to HR on me. HR found it funny.... lol
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Here ya go Dan...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VV3MH76/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VV3MH76/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Thanks for the link Bill .... and oh look what santa {the ups guy for us adults ;D ;)} just dropped off ! WOW ! its here ! .25 !
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We're supposed to be getting a cool down coming soon here, you ain't going to hear any complaint's from me !!! Tomorrow I'll be switching over to my other SCBA tank because right now the one that I'm using is already down a little below 250bar, the air does go fast when doing the chronograph thing for a couple different tunes and a couple hundred shots in all. Now that also means that I need to smelt some more lead and cast up some more 26 grainers. I sure the heck wouldn't have all the time to be doing this stuff if I wasn't retired. Also making more air will be better for the moisture situation going down due to the humidity dropping, when I gets down there I'll make more air.
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Here ya go Dan...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VV3MH76/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VV3MH76/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Thanks for the link Bill .... and oh look what santa {the ups guy for us adults ;D ;)} just dropped off ! WOW ! its here ! .25 !
Hold up..... what's in the other box?
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Here's the tune where I have my avenger now, these guns are no less than phenomenal for the price is all I can say
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
I still have my fingers cross for a wood stock for this gun 8)
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Nothing wrong with that tune Wayne, and that's with the HS all the way out! Got my .22 & had to pull it out of the stock to check that everything was tight. Pulled the barrel too so i could give it a real good cleaning. Compared to my SPA rifles these guns are way better built.No metal shavings anywhere, no chatter marks on either end of the barrel. Being a newer company i'm sure their machinery is also newer. One thing i didn't like is the 2 screws on the barrel band has created a divot in the shroud & upper cylinder. They should have come up with a better way to fasten the barrel band. Just dialing in the scope i find mine really likes the crosman 14.3 domed ultra magnums. When a rifle shoots the cheap stuff good it can only get better.
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I wish they would come out with a bull pup version. I wonder if anyone would make aftermarket stocks for these??? Your right, a nice wood stock would be something ;D
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Here's the tune where I have my avenger now, these guns are no less than phenomenal for the price is all I can say
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
I still have my fingers cross for a wood stock for this gun 8)
Thinking about a wood stock also. Could do a setup like the Sentry without a lot of trouble. Wood butt stock and plastic forearm using the existing forearm parts.
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Here ya go Dan...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VV3MH76/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VV3MH76/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Thanks for the link Bill .... and oh look what santa {the ups guy for us adults ;D ;)} just dropped off ! WOW ! its here ! .25 !
Hold up..... what's in the other box?
Hatsan Gladius .25 is in the case above the Avenger .25 , and its a laser hitting the metal on 410 shot gun shells at will at 80 yards was the best shooting i have done with the Gladius using 25.39 kings ... ;D
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I have had my .25 for a while but no chance to use it.
so today I ran to the club range, did a somewhere-near few (three to be precise) shots with some JSB Exact Kings into the dirt berm just to get the scope close enough.
The range was 48 1/2 yards to the muzzle. (why they set the target frames there, I do not know....I measured with my range finder a bunch of times.
I shot this STOCK without changing the regulator or the hammer spring. the regulator seems to be roughly at 2900.
I found that waiting a minute or so between shot really helps settle the pressure.
I will have to do a bunch of tuning to make this shoot anywhere near what everyone else seems to be getting.
So unlike all the glowing reports from everyone else... I found that is is acceptable. not WHOO HOOOO .... but acceptable...definitely will keep it and tweak.
I am certain through tuning this will be a very fine rifle, but out f the box with only bore cleaning, not my first pick for the squirrel woods...just yet.
I had to pick up my wife at the hospital from her resection surgery, as I got her call when I had only three magazines worth down-range. ( she was due to be released tomorrow...so it was a good surprise) SO I had limited time to play.
I have to say, the FX Hybrids STANK ...with four shots opening up to about 2 feet...only ONE hit the cardboard and the rest were waaayyy out to the left high and low.....the last one skimmed off the top of the target frame and ricocheted off to never-never land. I stopped right there. I know I can do better and I know the rifle can do better with those hybrids. it might take a lot of playing though. here is the target.
I think I have a LOT of work to do to find the right recipe.
I'll start with the suggestions Steve Scialli gave s all....and go from there... but out of the box...I'm not all tingly.
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I'm pretty darned pleased with my Avenger !!!
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Here's the tune where I have my avenger now, these guns are no less than phenomenal for the price is all I can say
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
I still have my fingers cross for a wood stock for this gun 8)
Thinking about a wood stock also. Could do a setup like the Sentry without a lot of trouble. Wood butt stock and plastic forearm using the existing forearm parts.
Joe I just went to FDAR's site and Mike again has the Sentry .22's back in stock again, he sure has been selling a lot of them but I suspect he'll have a slow down on sales since the Avenger has arrived. During all this covid garbage that's been happening the Sentry HC's have been selling out faster than he can keep them in stock.
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I won't order baffles on ebay anymore simply because the last I ordered for my Liberty did absolutely nothing for the gun.
Wayne,
I wish I would have read this before I ordered my baffle off Ebay. No effect what so ever.
You know, I, and I am sure, as well as all of the other GTA members, Really appreciate your posts. Thanks!
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I won't order baffles on ebay anymore simply because the last I ordered for my Liberty did absolutely nothing for the gun.
Wayne,
I wish I would have read this before I ordered my baffle off Ebay. No effect what so ever.
You know, I, and I am sure, as well as all of the other GTA members, Really appreciate your posts. Thanks!
Thanks Joe and speaking of the devil I just uploaded a video clip shooting at 35 yards with my Avenger .25, the regulator is set to 1900psi and I'm shooting my 26 grainers, it can give you an idea of how loud they are out in the woods.
https://youtu.be/p9UAB_XH-n0
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Wow Wayne! That's definitely not backyard friendly in my neighborhood.
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Wayne, Thanks for the video. That is about the same as my .25 Avenger sounds. Like my nail gun, which is acceptable in my neighborhood. Sending the baffle back to Ebay. Refund okayed.
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Wayne, Thanks for the video. That is about the same as my .25 Avenger sounds. Like my nail gun, which is acceptable in my neighborhood. Sending the baffle back to Ebay. Refund okayed.
Was that baffle from Geoffk or another 3D manufacturer?
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Another vendor. It was wrong in a lot of ways IMO.
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My air stripper / baffel stak from Haji Moto should be here tues ,I'll do a review on it after and post ,I have the dfl tanto on it now but knocked it over now it is just a little bit out of kilter, may have to see if one of the nova freedom's shrould will interchange. The threaded end is a little belled out from the adapter and moderater getting wacked. No pellet strikes that I can see.
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Hey Ronald, I measured the shroud off one of my Nova Liberty's and it's an exact fit to my 22 and 25 Avengers. I'm pretty sure the Freedom and Liberty use the same shroud so you should be good.
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The 6.0 lb weight was one of the attractions to this gun for me. I'm not interested in a wood stock that would likely change that.
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The 6.0 lb weight was one of the attractions to this gun for me. I'm not interested in a wood stock that would likely change that.
my exact feelings toward a wood stock ^^......... ::)
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Hey Ronald, I measured the shroud off one of my Nova Liberty's and it's an exact fit to my 22 and 25 Avengers. I'm pretty sure the Freedom and Liberty use the same shroud so you should be good.
yeah I just cked too looks to be the same, I 'm gonna plasti dip my stock and krylon the shroud and air tube this week when all the parts come in . That solid black has got to go.lol
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Ronald, can't wait to see how the plasti dip turns out. Keep us posted.
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Tracking says mine is loaded on the truck for delivery today.
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Bill if it reads 2900psi on the reg see what it's doing with heavy pellets, you'll really be surprised I'm sure.
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I have a feeling I will be surprised. Once it settles in I'll turn it down for better shot count and accuracy.
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I just adjusted the trigger on mine and all I can say is wow can you ever make them nice, very nice trigger on them. I'm also wondering if there's an exploded view of these guns available ???
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I adjusted the trigger on mine a few days ago and was able to get the pull weight down to 1lb-12oz and the pull weight adjustment seemed to remove most of the 2nd stage creep. I'm happy with the trigger now.
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I have the .22 Had the reg at 2900 and the hammer at 5.5 turns shooting JSBs 25gr around 860s. I tuned the gun down this weekend to 2000 and 3.5 on hammer. Shooting 25gr around 775. Was making one big hole with a full mag at 50yrds. Gun seems happier at this setting. My shot count also went from around 45 shots on the reg to 80ish. ;D I'll do an exact shot count at this setting in the next few days and will post! I'm thinking of ordering a .177. Has anyone done any slug testing with the .177???
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Betty Lou just called and said I had a package waiting for me at home..... woohoo, let the games begin.
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Had to go to the post office on my lunch break to send off a couple packages. By the time I got home I had about 15 minutes to eat a sandwich and head back to work. I opened the box and pulled the gun out and had a quick look for any obvious signs of damage. I couldn't find any. Then I looked at the gauges. The fill gauge was at 3k ish and the reg was at 2900 ish. I put a random .25 pellet in the single shot tray and fired the gun out the back door. The gun seemed to function flawlessly. It didn't sound any louder to me than an unmodified .22 SynRod.
That was all the time I had. I petted Betty Lou on the head and kissed Rambo on the cheek and headed back to work.
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I had some time today, so I adjusted my Avenger .25 cal a little per other members results.
Thanks for all of the Great posts on this.
3400 psi fill
Set reg to 2300 psi. JSB Kings 33.9 gr
With hammer spring backed out all the way first eight shots at 700 fps average
1 turn in took fps to 728 fps average. 1 more turn in went to 785 fps average.
Backed off 1/2 turn on hammer spring and did 18 more shots at 777 fps average for a total of 32 with gun just dropping off the reg.
Target at 15 yards with mediocre scope.
Could probably drop it down some more
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I am MUCH happier with the results now.
Lowered my regulator pressure to 2100 and put the hammer spring to +4 turns in.
It is till getting an average of 895 with JSB Exact Kings 25.39 grains.
;D
here is the target with 24 shots.
YES ...I did crop the picture to exclude the other pellets...since this is the only group that was really worth mentioning.
I tried polymags and 31 grain Kodiaks, some RatSniper slugs and the FX Hybrids.
None of those were even close to the JSB Exact Kings.
BUT I did not try to push the slugs and expect that further tuning would settle things down with each.
For now I will concentrate on these JSBs as I will likely not be working past 50 yards in the squirrel woods.
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I really hate to be the one to say it but..... to all those folks out there with Marauders.... the resale value just went down.. ::)
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I really hate to be the one to say it but..... to all those folks out there with Marauders.... the resale value just went down.. ::)
maybe ,but my .25 synrod will out shoot my avenger at 35yrds all day long ,but I'm tweeking the avenger trying to wring some more accuracy out of it, as far as shot count the avenger wins hands down.
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The point is.... I bet you got more than $300 in the SynRod... quite a bit more.
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I've got the .25 avenger taken apart to clean and crown the barrel, it actually had a slight crown already I just added a little more , after cleaning the bore with JB paste and lubing with balistisal I pust a jsb 25.39 exact king through the bore with a cleaning rod ,it was tight for the first 1-1/2 then almost no resistance the rest of the way ,no choke, is this normal ,does the air pressure when fired flare the skirt and seal the bore?
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i dont think i have ever had this much fun with a marauder like i'm
having with the .22 avenger in the last 3 weeks.
i've tuned it about 10-12 different ways and its been a great time.... 8)
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The only issue I see right now is this unrelenting heat. I'm really in no mood for sitting outside and shooting after 9 hours in Haities. I have a feeling, just like the rest of my guns, this one will get very little use until it cools down. This is a hobby and hobbies are to be enjoyed. I don't find the sensation of sweat rolling down any crevasse in my body the least bit enjoyable.
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I got the .25 back together and did a little camo,used plastic dip on the stock, don't think I'll do a muti color with the plastic dip again ,at least not with the netting pattern,but still turned out alright, used krylon on the shroud and air tube it worked great.the Haji airstripper and baffles should be here tomrw ,will wait for that before shooting.
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The only issue I see right now is this unrelenting heat. I'm really in no mood for sitting outside and shooting after 9 hours in Haities. I have a feeling, just like the rest of my guns, this one will get very little use until it cools down. This is a hobby and hobbies are to be enjoyed. I don't find the sensation of sweat rolling down any crevasse in my body the least bit enjoyable.
LMBO!!!
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So, while the rest of you are trying to unsee any images my previous post may have conjured up I made my way to the indoor workbench where the a/c prevents the images from becoming a reality.
The Avenger got it's glass..
I chose the UTG 2-12X44 Accushot Swat IE Scope like this one....
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-3-12x44-ao-swat-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-illuminated-mil-dot?a=3493 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-3-12x44-ao-swat-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-illuminated-mil-dot?a=3493)
And just as I was torquing down the last screw, FedEx showed up with my 2 extra mags.
The BiPod shown in the video is scheduled to arrive Wednesday.
I already have a 3" side focus wheel.
I'll look through my assortment of slings for the best fit. I already have a nice locking aluminum case for the complete kit.
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ok Bill, just shoot it !!!! 8)
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John.... these things take time.
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John.... these things take time.
yes, but its so good you wont sleep tonight.... :o
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ok Bill, just shoot it !!!! 8)
That's what she said last night and then I woke up... ;D
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John.... these things take time.
yes, but its so good you wont sleep tonight.... :o
She said that, too... ;D
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LOL ROTF ;D
Well Glad I got my M-Rod NIB on the cheap then, after selling the wood stock off of it I'm in for the same price as a new Avenger... Ok I will have to add $50.00 for the regulator that I have for it, and as of yet have not installed :-\
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With 35yd 5 shot groups like this what's not to like 8)
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Wayne, Great shooting! I have a 4-16x44 UTG coming which should help me out. Thanks for posting.
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Thanks Joe !!! the scope that I have on mine right now is a new looking old UTG 4-16 but it's not as nice as the swat UTG that I have on my Liberty. Eventually I'll get a newer one for it with the side parallax.
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I am only getting 3 full turns on the spring tension on my .25. Is anyone else seeing that?
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It seems that the .25 that I have is too much hammer spring because even with the hammer backed out all the way with my regulator set for 2kpsi I see no difference at all increasing the hammer. It needs a lighter hammer spring in it in my opinion.
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I set my regulator to 2100 psi for initial tuning. I haven't even had a chance to site it in yet. Hopfully some time this week. and some chrony work as well. I am trying to get JSB kings flying at around 895 and Hades at around 880. I think that will be a good hunting tune for me. We'll see.
Jeff
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I had my Avenger .25 out today , all of you guys that bought the Avenger make darn sure you torque the pic rail down for the scope , and also check the barrel band make sure it is also snugged down ..
I had POI shift on my gun today, and figured out everything I just mentioned was loose ::) after torque down ,and with out the trigger adjusted the way I like it , I was still able to do 2 = 50 yard groups- 8 shots ragged hole on the 1st ..then 10-12 shots ragged hole again for the second group using 25,39 kings 880-890 fps ... I had a couple trigger flyers I will call them , so next is to get this trigger dialed in for punching paper more to what I like ...
So After the first session with this gun... ya know it just fits me really well every thing is right where I need it ...the stock just fits me very well ad that to the gun being very light it makes off handed shooting feel very natural , perfect for hiking woods gun , just like my Vectis is ;D the accuracy is all there ...the Avenger shoot as good as any gun out there a ragged hole at 50 yds ! ;D
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The rail was lose on mine as well,found out after shooting it for a few days.
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The rail was lose on mine as well,found out after shooting it for a few days.
I also found a lot of loose (not so tight) screws. Purple threadlocker will save a lot of headaches and missing screws.
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I actually slept pretty good last night. But I woke up this morning with the gun on my mind. So I drank some coffee, smoked some cigarettes loaded up a couple mags with the JSB Diabolo Kings 25.39 and waited for the sun to come up enough to see the target.
Keep in mind, I shot 1 pellet out of this gun last night just to make sure it functioned properly before I even scoped it. Then I pulled the picatinny rails out of the scope box (never used) and mounted the scope. When daylight finally broke I stepped out onto the deck where I had a bench set up at 21yds from a previous shooting session. There was even a target still hanging at the back stop.
Impressed would be an understatement... I would think amazed might be more like it.
No scope adjustment and the fill and reg pressures matched at 2900. 8 shots hit about 1" northwest of POA and a dime would cover the group.
This is going to be a fun gun.
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I think it may be time to begin my own thread on this gun. This thread is a good place to share general information on these guns but I think more in depth individual reviews would be way too much all lumped in one thread. I've seen these thread grow to 100 plus pages. Alot of info gets lost in all those pages.
I will post a link here once I get going.
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I had a missing screw on the pic rail under the rifle. When I tried to put the one screw that was left in that spot it was stripped out. I ended up drilling an tapping to a larger screw! I would strongly agree with everyone when they say CHECK YOUR SCREWS!!! :D If anyone needs to add a new screw to the underside pic rail, make sure you keep it the same length as stock or it will come in contact with the air cylinder.
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Its looks like one googd guy took advantage of my one time offer for a free power tune, regulator rectify. I am going to open her up and see if she can out do my 60+ fpe liberty.
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Waiting to get mine in. FedEx says it will be today! Hope its not too late as I am free today but have lots to do tomorrow and Thursday and am going out of town Friday so won't have much time with it before I go. Plan on checking all screws, cleaning barrel, mounting the scope and testing out a few mag's full of pellets before I make any adjustments.
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Decided to do a sound comparison on the donny tanto ,with and without, stock 98.9 with tanto 87.1,this is with four holes drilled at the base of shrould and the magic eraser diffuser mod ,later today after mail arrives I'll install the Haji stripper and baffles and measure again, over 10 db is alot of sound change. But at 150 dollars it ain't cheap , the haji is 40 plus shipping so that might be the best bang (or lack of ) for the buck.
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The mail came with the Haji parts, gott'em installed and tested . The Haji air stripper and baffles only were 93.9 and combined with the tanto were 86.8 , so the tanto alone gets you 11.8 db quieter and the Haji alone gets 5 db and combined gets 12.1 db, so 45.00 = 5 db ,145.00= 11.8 db and 190.00 = 12.1, looks like the tanto gets the most reduction in noise for the money, YMMV.
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Well, fedex screwed me over. After 4 days of the tracking report saying it would be in today and sitting home waiting since its a signature required item it did not show up. After getting no satisfaction with the customer service rep I spoke to the supervisor who did nothing for me either. Looks like my wife or I have to sit home all day again tomorrow waiting for fedex to do their job.
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Decided to do a sound comparison on the donny tanto ,with and without, stock 98.9 with tanto 87.1,this is with four holes drilled at the base of shrould and the magic eraser diffuser mod ,later today after mail arrives I'll install the Haji stripper and baffles and measure again, over 10 db is alot of sound change. But at 150 dollars it ain't cheap , the haji is 40 plus shipping so that might be the best bang (or lack of ) for the buck.
Is the avenger shroud support like the liberty? Does it have that solid plastic slug about 2 inches from the end of the barrel to keep shroud, barrel alignment? If so, did you remove it?
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Is the avenger shroud support like the liberty? Does it have that solid plastic slug about 2 inches from the end of the barrel to keep shroud, barrel alignment?
I can vouch that it does not. I received an Avenger monocore shroud baffle today from GeoffK who said it fits the same way in Avengers (no plastic slug), and it fit my Origin like a glove (also no plastic slug). Push-in snug fit over the barrel muzzle which itself is way down in the shroud.
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Does it have a traditional stripper then? What keeps the barrel centered in the shroud?
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Hey Rod,
The avenger shroud support is similar to the Liberty, except it is an open design which allows air to get to the back of the shroud, whereas the Liberty does not. I had to drill out holes in the Liberty support to try to get air to the back. The Avenger support sits 5.25" behind the muzzle; the Liberty is 4" behind the muzzle.
Steve
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Thanks Steve. With Haji's stripper that could be removed then. Half tempted to pick one up. Really enjoyed the liberty.
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I still love my 3 Liberty's, but I think I love my Avenger 25 cal even more!
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Well, fedex screwed me over. After 4 days of the tracking report saying it would be in today and sitting home waiting since its a signature required item it did not show up. After getting no satisfaction with the customer service rep I spoke to the supervisor who did nothing for me either. Looks like my wife or I have to sit home all day again tomorrow waiting for fedex to do their job.
If possible always ask to ship USPS,..FedEx and UPS blow
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Does it have a traditional stripper then? What keeps the barrel centered in the shroud?
It looks like this, a one-piece monocore with the baffle cones sculpted inside. I think it's 3D printed out of some tough nylon-ish material. Drop-in snug fit (o-rings on either end making the diameter just snug inside the shroud's i.d.), gotta push it down a bit to seat it against the muzzle.
Barrel goes into the right side, pellet travels right to left so that airflow is first stripped by the narrow ends of the built-in cones and back down through the shroud.
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I was wondering if the cap thread size of the shroud of the liberty is the same as the Avenger ,and if the 1/2 20 adapter for the liberty will work on the Avenger ...
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I was wondering if the cap thread size of the shroud of the liberty is the same as the Avenger ,and if the 1/2 20 adapter for the liberty will work on the Avenger ...
In my message conversations with GeoffK leading up to buying of one, I recall him mentioning he suspects they are all made off the same specs, etc., and just different brands offering different variations.
Here's a bigger picture of the same baffle.
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Hooked up my Vevor compressor to the Avenger this morning and filled it to just under 4k. This will be my leak test. I'll check it at lunch and again after work.
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Well, fedex screwed me over. After 4 days of the tracking report saying it would be in today and sitting home waiting since its a signature required item it did not show up. After getting no satisfaction with the customer service rep I spoke to the supervisor who did nothing for me either. Looks like my wife or I have to sit home all day again tomorrow waiting for fedex to do their job.
If possible always ask to ship USPS,..FedEx and UPS blow
Actually I've had problems with usps and fed ex before, ups has always been good for me. Guess they can all screw up.
As of a few minutes ago they still don't know anything. They're saying it's still on the truck that left Utah 5 days ago. Less than 1,900 miles and still not here in 5 days??? Think someones lying to me.
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Many of us on that limb.
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/3057568512/hA77C46A6/patience-my-@@@-im-gonna-kill-something
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Well, fedex screwed me over. After 4 days of the tracking report saying it would be in today and sitting home waiting since its a signature required item it did not show up. After getting no satisfaction with the customer service rep I spoke to the supervisor who did nothing for me either. Looks like my wife or I have to sit home all day again tomorrow waiting for fedex to do their job.
If possible always ask to ship USPS,..FedEx and UPS blow
Actually I've had problems with usps and fed ex before, ups has always been good for me. Guess they can all screw up.
As of a few minutes ago they still don't know anything. They're saying it's still on the truck that left Utah 5 days ago. Less than 1,900 miles and still not here in 5 days??? Think someones lying to me.
Just had a notification from Midway USA that my latest package shipped,....by UPS, ......WHAT !?!?!?
They always shipped USPS before, I'm bummed now :(
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USPS is undergoing a revamp of their system, took over a week for an ammo order to come that would normally take two days. With this covid nonsense, all carriers are backed up. Ordered a new countertop ice maker, fedx was three weeks to arrive after tracking number given.
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Manny one good thing about Midway is that they usually ship promptly when they get an order.
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Never had an issue with Midway other than pellet packaging. I no longer order pellets from them.
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USPS is undergoing a revamp of their system, took over a week for an ammo order to come that would normally take two days. With this covid nonsense, all carriers are backed up. Ordered a new countertop ice maker, fedx was three weeks to arrive after tracking number given.
Yeah USPS is being gutted,...what a shame
....but, I had a rifle sent from Georgia on Thursday with expected arrival this Monday,.....it actually arrived Saturday :) :) :)
Love USPS, has been far better then other carriers for the almost 2 decades that I've been using it to send and receive lots of packages
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UPS tracking says that the bipod has been delivered.
I'll get hands on it in about 15 minutes when I get home for lunch.
So now my Avenger set up is complete. Time to begin it's own thread.
Stay tuned...
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UPS tracking says that the bipod has been delivered.
I'll get hands on it in about 15 minutes when I get home for lunch.
So now my Avenger set up is complete. Time to begin it's own thread.
Stay tuned...
Looking forward to it my man.
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UPS tracking says that the bipod has been delivered.
I'll get hands on it in about 15 minutes when I get home for lunch.
So now my Avenger set up is complete. Time to begin it's own thread.
Stay tuned...
Looking forward to it my man.
You an me both.... looks like I'll need to put Windows back on one of the laptops. I can't find Linux friendly software for the ProChrono Digital usb link.
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USPS is undergoing a revamp of their system, took over a week for an ammo order to come that would normally take two days. With this covid nonsense, all carriers are backed up. Ordered a new countertop ice maker, fedx was three weeks to arrive after tracking number given.
Yeah USPS is being gutted,...what a shame
....but, I had a rifle sent from Georgia on Thursday with expected arrival this Monday,.....it actually arrived Saturday :) :) :)
Love USPS, has been far better then other carriers for the almost 2 decades that I've been using it to send and receive lots of packages
I will admit - USPS does come through especially in tough times. Especially when you live all the way out in the middle of the Pacific in Haleiwa or Wahiawa or Mililani somewhere (like I used to for 56 years before I retired to Vegas).
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Hooked up my Vevor compressor to the Avenger this morning and filled it to just under 4k. This will be my leak test. I'll check it at lunch and again after work.
Bill mine has been holding air and performing really great so far, hopefully you have the same results.
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Here's a couple five shot groups I did in the last couple days I was using my cast 26grain Hunters. The Avenger exceeds in the accuracy department.
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Hooked up my Vevor compressor to the Avenger this morning and filled it to just under 4k. This will be my leak test. I'll check it at lunch and again after work.
Bill mine has been holding air and performing really great so far, hopefully you have the same results.
Went home for lunch and the needle on the gauge was right where I left it this morning... so far, so good.
She sure looks good with her new legs on.
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Hooked up my Vevor compressor to the Avenger this morning and filled it to just under 4k. This will be my leak test. I'll check it at lunch and again after work.
Bill mine has been holding air and performing really great so far, hopefully you have the same results.
Went home for lunch and the needle on the gauge was right where I left it this morning... so far, so good.
She sure looks good with her new legs on.
Why am I imagining something like this...?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0813/8015/products/leglamp2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1560087092)
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Hooked up my Vevor compressor to the Avenger this morning and filled it to just under 4k. This will be my leak test. I'll check it at lunch and again after work.
Bill mine has been holding air and performing really great so far, hopefully you have the same results.
Went home for lunch and the needle on the gauge was right where I left it this morning... so far, so good.
She sure looks good with her new legs on.
Why am I imagining something like this...?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0813/8015/products/leglamp2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1560087092)
Because you're a sick puppy??? 🤔
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He should be fine as long as he doesn't shoot at golf balls, the real ones that aren't chalk.
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my eyes are bad on the left side of the gun looked like it was a on the 3 does that mean 300 bar it saided 4351 on the box them guages are hard to read got my ldc on my gun and i can remove the fill cover not a problum what do you guys think how a bout hajamoto baffle kit for one these guns ???????
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Fred, I don't know about Hajimoto's magical kits, but I can chime in regarding the gauges:
300 bars are equivalent to 4351 PSI (pounds per square inch).
In the USA, we love our PSI units where the rest of the world has moved to the metric system and uses bars for pressure instead.
The gauges are using bars, and you are correct, the 3 is for 300 bars ( there is a 'x100 showing the multiplication on the gauge, it may be hard to see).
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The inside scale (red) is BAR x100,the outside scale (black) is PSI x1000.
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thanks guys i haft to get me some glases but i figure it out
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Fred.... Yellow means fill. Green is good. Red means stop filling..... ;) ;D
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Fred.... Yellow means fill. Green is good. Red means stop filling..... ;) ;D
My GF thinks Red means Stop, Green means Go, and Yellow means Go Very Fast...
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Fred.... Yellow means fill. Green is good. Red means stop filling..... ;) ;D
My GF thinks Red means Stop, Green means Go, and Yellow means Go Very Fast...
;D that would be my wife as well...
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As far as air strippers and baffles for this gun i have seen people mention the haji combo as well as the one from geoffk offered on ebay is there any data as to which works the best if at all?
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My brother got the Hajimoto baffle kit and it definately helps. I believe it was worth it, even if you still end up putting a DonnyFL on it. He had already put 6, 1mm ports on the shroud, so I don't know how the kit would sound on a un-ported shroud, but it really cut the bark on his. He is running his Avenger at full power so it really needed something.
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I decided to get the Avenger .22 ... so I got on Randys list at RL... the .25 Avenger i bought has worked out so well I just had to get 1 in .22 ;D ;D ;D
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How are your Avengers doing guys? Randy @ RL Airguns is thinking his next shipment will be here around Sept 20th and I'm on his list for a .22. Hoping to get it and get out and tear-up some Ground Squirrels but most of Kalifornistan either has burned or is burning.
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Is anyone concerned about all the plastic on it scope mounts look plastic and the side lever is plastic from reviews I have seen
I am as well, they did an excellent job giving this much in a $300 pricetag....but I'll tell you what give me a match grade trigger and upgraded stock on this platform for a marauder price and this gun will set a new bar for even the high end pcps costing over $1000.
I wonder if the first manufacturing cycle was to see if 'the odd would hunt" in terms of sales. That having been proven I hoping we will see another version with a wood stock and some other upgrades. If the sales on them keep screaming along as they have so far the after market availability of custom wood stocks might develop.
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How are your Avengers doing guys? Randy @ RL Airguns is thinking his next shipment will be here around Sept 20th and I'm on his list for a .22. Hoping to get it and get out and tear-up some Ground Squirrels but most of Kalifornistan either has burned or is burning.
David ... my Avenger is doing great so far honestly nothing comes close to it for the money 6 lbs with all those features . I have around 600 shots reg set at 2200 hammer spring all the way out 880 fps 25.39 kings 3 shot hole threw hole groups at 50 yards , I have a .25 Gauntlet that is very accurate same ammo and hole threw hole accuracy out at 50 , The Avenger I have now dialed in to equal that great shooting Gauntlet but the Avenger has it beat in every other category ....
In fact this gun has performed so well I am also on Randy's waiting list for a .22 , I think about it this way for 600 bucks I get 2 guns . .25 and .22 ... the weakest point about the gun is the plastic stock...
yet that is what helps keep the gun very light and for myself it just fits my body well , plus the pic rail sits far back enough so you can mount the scope so it sits further back which fits me better ,and helps balance the gun better ...
Our state here in Wasington is burning up also I have never seen the sky this bad before sun almost blacked out at times , liberals miss managing our forest is the problem
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Just did a video on the tear down and mods in case anyone is interested.
https://youtu.be/yHhMJxPzwq4
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Just did a video on the tear down and mods in case anyone is interested.
https://youtu.be/yHhMJxPzwq4
Thank you Stephen for all the content you create and provide!
Already seen this one twice. Some parts many times already.
I'm a visual learner and you spend a significant amount of time showing what you do and talk about.
To borrow shamelessly from another you-tube content creator I appreciate greatly: "Thank you doesn't quite say it" ;)
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Just did a video on the tear down and mods in case anyone is interested.
https://youtu.be/yHhMJxPzwq4
Stephen, you need to update your avatar to one of your liberties. Show off those beautiful hand made stocks of yours.
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Thank you Rowan and Robert. I will change my avatar.
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Another great video Stephen. I learned so much from your videos on the Nova Liberty. I was hoping you would get your hands on the Avenger, so we could learn about the internals of the gun. I really appreciate the effort you put in.
Also, keep up the great work on your AVS slugs. They are fantastic in .22. Can't wait to try the .25's.
Thanks again Stephen.
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I too want to express my appreciation to Stephen for taking the time to make the video on the Avenger.
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Thank you Rowan and Robert. I will change my avatar.
👍
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Stephen I'm subscribed to your youtube channel so I seen the video soon after you posted it. Awesome video that you did for sure and extremely informative !!!
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This looks pretty interesting...
https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/air-venturi-avenger-extender-1-2-x-20-adapter-a64
It's designed for the Avenger (also works with the Liberty) to solve clearance issues with certain suppressors and the fill port, but it also centers the barrel, which reduces clipping issues. Seems like it would add more rigidity to the barrel as well. I wonder how much this will help or hurt accuracy.
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I hate the accuracy on my .25- Can't seem to miss- get's BORING LOL -Just kidding- best out of box rifle EVER!
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=177542.0;attach=329579 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=177542.0;attach=329579)
2000 rounds thru & still no leaks- It's a winner
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That was a real cool video,
I liked the real time surprise, very honest and straight forward.
A few things the guy was not to stoked about.
......definitely a lot of gun for the price, But if I had one I don't think I would fill it past 200 BAR, just for long term longevity ( Metal fatigue )
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Steve at AEAC has around 4000 shots threw his Avenger .22.... all of his testing is showing max fill , and shot count , so there appears to be no issue with the air tubes holding up at this point ...
I cant imagine the factory that puts these out with their experience / track record would build this gun with the wrong specked air tube for the pressure ,and I am dead positive Air Venturi would not put their name on it , if it had a suspect air tube , and from what I understand they tested it to 7500 with no issues at all ... ;D ;)
I can see the reason for not filling the large scba tanks to 4500 psi ,and only going to 3800 psi so there is less wear and tear on your compressor ,and just getting less shots for running the compressor easer .... ;)
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Yes China is showing how much more influential they are in the Low cost bracket of the PCP world then anybody else,
between guns, pumps and compressor they are giving the public great affordable products that the was majority of the population can afford.
I hope the Avenger last and that way the China influence will be very much cemented.
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Yes China is showing how much more influential they are in the Low cost bracket of the PCP world then anybody else,
between guns, pumps and compressor they are giving the public great affordable products that the was majority of the population can afford.
I hope the Avenger last and that way the China influence will be very much cemented.
I too have fallen under their spell, got an Avenger .22 incoming...
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Yes China is showing how much more influential they are in the Low cost bracket of the PCP world then anybody else,
between guns, pumps and compressor they are giving the public great affordable products that the was majority of the population can afford.
I hope the Avenger last and that way the China influence will be very much cemented.
I too have fallen under their spell, got an Avenger .22 incoming...
Been sold on China PCP products since I started using the 50 bucks handpump, then hearing of all the great reports on guns from members here that I respect the judgment of.
same with compressors,
China is getting great PCP products to the public at an incredible low price.
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Must be some truth to that.. some of the bigger names are rebranding and selling them.
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China = super cheap labor , they are payed almost nothing compared to the average wage in the USA , and their standard of living reflects that , and that my friends is how we get these super cheap air guns from China ,... Turkish air guns same scenario , India is another mass population cheap labor country ...
Now switch over to Europe ,and close by or the USA ... the quality goes way up ,but so does the price FX , RAW , XP air guns, and all the rest ....
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Yes China is showing how much more influential they are in the Low cost bracket of the PCP world then anybody else,
between guns, pumps and compressor they are giving the public great affordable products that the was majority of the population can afford.
I hope the Avenger last and that way the China influence will be very much cemented.
Its really not the China influence , its the American/European market place they are copying over all ,and being influenced by, and doing it for less money with ultra cheap labor with people that live a much lower standard of living , this is what my friends from China tell me ,... ;)
Their quality has moved up over the years in order to make the sales , years back they started making aluminum high performance racing cylinder heads for small block Chevy's , and other motors , at first they failed on the quality , then they started using better materials better casting /machine work to the heads ,and now you can buy a set of racing heads for $500 to $800 really good quality , instead of $2000 AFR heads or a like - manufactured in the USA ... of course they are not the ones that invented the SBC they simply copied the parts , and did it with ultra cheap labor ...
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Personally I think that if manufacturing here in the U.S. was up to par for products like airguns I personally would probably buy them myself. The example that I'm going to use is a Crosman 150 type 1 that was built in 1954&1955. The guns are built like a tank and I'd personally buy a brand new one just like the originals if they started building them again. It's clearly evident that these guns can last a life time.
price in 1955 - $14.95 price today - $144.99
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4912/45776261615_11e7b31edc_b.jpg)
Would be nice if Crosman started building guns like they use to for quality and longevity again rather than importing them . . . . maybe people just don't want to work anymore. I realize that working conditions aren't the same today as they were in 1954 however I'm still alive and kicking.
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....many people say, LOL ...My friends tell me, LOL
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Most people today never have known the REAL meaning of work, I have done everything from suckering grapes as a kid to an electronics tech. Sometimes work actually involves a little sweat and thinking.
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Most people today never have known the REAL meaning of work, I have done everything from suckering grapes as a kid to an electronics tech. Sometimes work actually involves a little sweat and thinking.
BINGO !!!!!!!
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Personally I think that if manufacturing here in the U.S. was up to par for products like airguns I personally would probably buy them myself. The example that I'm going to use is a Crosman 150 type 1 that was built in 1954&1955. The guns are built like a tank and I'd personally buy a brand new one just like the originals if they started building them again. It's clearly evident that these guns can last a life time.
price in 1955 - $14.95 price today - $144.99
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4912/45776261615_11e7b31edc_b.jpg)
Would be nice if Crosman started building guns like they use to for quality and longevity again rather than importing them . . . . maybe people just don't want to work anymore. I realize that working conditions aren't the same today as they were in 1954 however I'm still alive and kicking.
Wayne take a look at this one , I talked Dave Gunther a well known air gun tuner /collector Portland Oregon area ... out of this one about 15 years ago a pristine crosman 111 with original bulk fill cylinder ;D production was from 1950 to 1954 that gun is dead on ! extremely accurate ,and it just fits my hand absolutely perfect ... I would put that gun up against any thing China makes in a similar configuration ...
A perfect example of a very high quality American made air gun , just after WW2 ...
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Soon after I bought my Avenger I was putting a lot of shots through it but haven't checked in a while with the Chrony, as many of you know everything I shoot I cast myself these days so I won't be doing anymore soon because I want to conserve on my 26 grain Hunter pellets for hunting. This gun is a tack driver to say the least, it's hard to say what I could have done with this gun in my prime shooting days. Today it's way more accurate than I am and am going to use it the way it is because with as many shots that I can get (even from a 250bar fill) I see no sense in doing any internal mods the way it is. The mods I will probably do in the near future will be external (like the divot issue) and can be returned to original.
If this gun fails internally before the warranty I'll probably find out what is wrong with it myself anyway.
The only issue I foresee would be the poppet however I seem to recall seeing the poppets aren't the same
I believe they're a bigger diameter than the Liberty's were. The poppet is still the same type design though.
(https://i.imgur.com/haM05Cj.jpg)
I got six squirrels opening day with this gun.
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I think they figured out the poppet problem ,and perhaps made it more reliable . Steve AEAC has going on 4000 shots threw his Avenger so that might be and indicator on that part being made to last longer , hopefully the manufacture put it threw the paces in testing ,so it will last longer ...
I don't have any plans either to modify the internals ,or maybe just the barrel port opened up a bit for slugs if I go that direction , other wise the gun is dead on with jsb 25.39 , .. I have had thoughts of getting another XP air guns in .30 or .308 with long barrel ,and correct twist rate for slug design .. I have to get on the casting again ,I have several new molds for .40 , and .45 that I need to test out ... fun fun ! ... ;D
I got lucky on a 150g cheap Lee mold in .40 that my Badger love's its producing 300fpe with that 150g ,and extremely accurate ...
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Wayne take a look at this one , I talked Dave Gunther a well known air gun tuner /collector Portland Oregon area ... out of this one about 15 years ago a pristine crosman 111 with original bulk fill cylinder ;D production was from 1950 to 1954 that gun is dead on ! extremely accurate ,and it just fits my hand absolutely perfect ... I would put that gun up against any thing China makes in a similar configuration ...
A perfect example of a very high quality American made air gun , just after WW2 ...
That is a beauty for a 70 year old AG.
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
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That's great that it was easier inletting than the Liberty, some of the people thought it'd be more involved than the Liberty.
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
Stephen, is it abusing your kindness to ask if you would consider sharing your pattern ?
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
Stephen, is it abusing your kindness to ask if you would consider sharing your pattern ?
Not at all. I'm not sure how to make it available. I can trace on oak tag paper. but I'm sure how to proceed from there
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
Stephen, is it abusing your kindness to ask if you would consider sharing your pattern ?
Not at all. I'm not sure how to make it available. I can trace on oak tag paper. but I'm sure how to proceed from there
Thank you Stephen.
I am neither artist nor engineer. Personally, a picture of your drawing/sketch from the side and from above would be all I could hope for. I can measure and transfer, but I can't draw nice curves and shapes :)
Other's needs may vary.
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
Stephen how did you cut the inlet ? I have done several Richards micro fit stocks using a die grinder with carbide cutter to get the general shape , then tubing with DA sand paper with sticky backing to hold it on the tubing , also a up right drill press with machinist vise .. I have a lot of experience using die grinder's porting 2 stroke racing motors for jet ski's for decades, the average person might have a hard time with that ... it it is some work accomplish for sure ..
I cant wait to see your finished stock , I like the effort your putting in ... ;D ;)
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I wonder if you can "shrink wrap" the action, and then cast a mold around it...wait - that might work better if you are going to then pour liquid plastic around it to make a polymer stock...okay nevermind. ::) ::) ::)
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...or could you make a 3D template of the inletting on the original polymer stock somehow?
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That was my thought... a 3d scanner.
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That was my thought... a 3d scanner.
...after which it attaches to a CNC inletting machine? I'm totally not up on this kinda stuff.
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...but if there Were such a setup, then one could crank out custom-inletted wood blanks for sale to shape, sand and finish as the recipient pleases...
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Ok what we need to do is all of us call boyds stocks , and ask them to start offering some stocks cut for the Avenger pointing out the sales of the gun , if they get enough interest by all of us calling there is a good chance they will offer some stock options just like they do the crosman guns ...
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Ok what we need to do is all of us call boyds stocks , and ask them to start offering some stocks cut for the Avenger pointing out the sales of the gun , if they get enough interest by all of us calling there is a good chance they will offer some stock options just like they do the crosman guns ...
I sent them an E-Mail in August asking if they would consider making a stock for the Avenger. I suspect it went straight to the trash bin ;D
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Ok what we need to do is all of us call boyds stocks , and ask them to start offering some stocks cut for the Avenger pointing out the sales of the gun , if they get enough interest by all of us calling there is a good chance they will offer some stock options just like they do the crosman guns ...
I sent them an E-Mail in August asking if they would consider making a stock for the Avenger. I suspect it went straight to the trash bin ;D
Ronan, asking to make a custom wood stock for a $300 gun they must have thought it was an April Fool's prank... ;D
But I might consider it, depending on how beautiful the wood grain and pattern is...
Dan, that's a good idea if there could be some kind of petition people sign...
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1 like this one would be sweet ! my boyds blaster mrod , check out how accurate that .25 is at 70 ... one of my favorites , first .25 i bought , that gun hooked me on .25 's ;)...
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1 like this one would be sweet ! my boyds blaster mrod , check out how accurate that .25 is at 70 ... one of my favorites , first .25 i bought , that gun hooked me on .25 's ;)...
That stock is an inspired work of art, Dan! No two exactly alike, one of a kind... 8)
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Sorry fellas... I'm not interested in adding a couple more pounds and a couple hundred bucks to my investment in this gun. That kinda defeats the reasons I bought it in the first place.
I love looking at what other folks do to theirs though.
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I don't own an Avenger yet so I have no iron in the fire, but for a field carry gun I'd have to agree with Avator, lightness is king. The manufacturer however could have put a little better stock on it though like what's on the new Umerex non regulated rifle.
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It's rather minor when compared to the ringing the gun puts in that squirrel's head... :o
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Sorry fellas... I'm not interested in adding a couple more pounds and a couple hundred bucks to my investment in this gun. That kinda defeats the reasons I bought it in the first place.
I love looking at what other folks do to theirs though.
I agree on the weight part ... that stock on my mrod at that point in time un- finished was around 70 bucks if I remember right , what I do on a few of my guns is have the light weight stock usually oem for going out in the field ...then have my own usually better for bench shooting after market stock , so you have the best of both worlds ... ;)
so even if I buy a cool wood stock for the Avenger , the plastic 1 goes on for for hiking /hunting . Boyds on the Benji stocks they make ,has a light weight 99 buck stock in laminate that's pretty cool .. spike camp forest laminate 99 bucks ! cheap ! for the guy that wants 1 ...
https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product-configurator (https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product-configurator)
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
Stephen how did you cut the inlet ? I have done several Richards micro fit stocks using a die grinder with carbide cutter to get the general shape , then tubing with DA sand paper with sticky backing to hold it on the tubing , also a up right drill press with machinist vise .. I have a lot of experience using die grinder's porting 2 stroke racing motors for jet ski's for decades, the average person might have a hard time with that ... it it is some work accomplish for sure ..
I cant wait to see your finished stock , I like the effort your putting in ... ;D ;)
Hey Dan, All done with a router and two bits. 1/2" straight bit and 1" core box cutter. Oh and some chisels. Much easier than the Libetrty. I will have a detailed video in a few weeks.
stephen
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Ronan, asking to make a custom wood stock for a $300 gun they must have thought it was an April Fool's prank... ;D
My original signature on GTA was "Never take yourself too seriously, nobody else does", so passing for an April fool's prankster in July fits the bill! this being said, they have stock for the Ruger 10/22, a gun that is sold around $280 new (I just looked a well known brick and mortar store chain's website selling hunting stuff), so I think it might just be they never heard of the Avenger and discarded an isolated request/Email of interest.
As you said, the petition/request idea advanced by Dan has merit in my opinion.
As I'll use the Avenger essentially for bench rest related fun, I do like the idea of swapping the stock for something better.
Regarding the type of stock, what would be your type/style preference if they so happened to offer one?
I must say that a direct conversion of the actual stock to wood would please me greatly, as I do like that classic shape. Otherwise, I have a bias toward thumb-hole stocks aesthetically speaking.
Now, coming back to Stephen's great work, the idea of trying my hand is also very enticing. I can see myself going both routes, especially if swapping stocks is one or two screws away. I believe that according to what I plan to use a gun for on a given day, putting it on a different stock seems a totally appropriate thing to do.
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i have had mine in .22 since the early delivery of the 1st run, and i like the gun as it is right out of the box.....little tweek'n and its a hunter for sure.
not far behind my Impact .22 in accuracy out to 100yrds 8)
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
Stephen how did you cut the inlet ? I have done several Richards micro fit stocks using a die grinder with carbide cutter to get the general shape , then tubing with DA sand paper with sticky backing to hold it on the tubing , also a up right drill press with machinist vise .. I have a lot of experience using die grinder's porting 2 stroke racing motors for jet ski's for decades, the average person might have a hard time with that ... it it is some work accomplish for sure ..
I cant wait to see your finished stock , I like the effort your putting in ... ;D ;)
Hey Dan, All done with a router and two bits. 1/2" straight bit and 1" core box cutter. Oh and some chisels. Much easier than the Libetrty. I will have a detailed video in a few weeks.
stephen
so just curious, whats your thoughts on taking strips of walnut and glueing them together to make a "stock blank" instead of buying one. seems it would be way cheaper than the few places ive seen asking crazy prices for stock balnks
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
Stephen how did you cut the inlet ? I have done several Richards micro fit stocks using a die grinder with carbide cutter to get the general shape , then tubing with DA sand paper with sticky backing to hold it on the tubing , also a up right drill press with machinist vise .. I have a lot of experience using die grinder's porting 2 stroke racing motors for jet ski's for decades, the average person might have a hard time with that ... it it is some work accomplish for sure ..
I cant wait to see your finished stock , I like the effort your putting in ... ;D ;)
Hey Dan, All done with a router and two bits. 1/2" straight bit and 1" core box cutter. Oh and some chisels. Much easier than the Libetrty. I will have a detailed video in a few weeks.
stephen
so just curious, whats your thoughts on taking strips of walnut and glueing them together to make a "stock blank" instead of buying one. seems it would be way cheaper than the few places ive seen asking crazy prices for stock balnks
Andrew,
Wood always expands and contracts with humidity and probably temperatures also. Blanks are usually priced high due to the quality of the walnut grain as well as the fact they have seasoned/aged/dried for years. Those blanks are stable and can usually be trusted not to crack or twist.
If you want to glue together walnut planks, it may work, but you have to be sure they are well seasoned before doing anything. Otherwise, you're playing lottery/roulette . Russian style.
Please note that I believe you would more likely than not end up with roughly the same costs, maybe even higher that way (glued planks vs slab). Here is my reasoning:
If you look not for blank sellers (those guys I respect, as they do provide a great servie) but woodworkers' lumber yards, you will see that wood is usually sold at fixed price by volume, and changes in length, thickness etc don't matter at the dimensions we are talking about here for stock. Getting several planks to glue or getting a slab should end up at the exact same cost to you.
Your best best for me would be to look at those woodworker's suppliers directly and find a seasoned slab that has not been selected (yet) for its beauty by a blank seller (they scour those suppliers and select the best material, sometimes they age the wood themselves and incur a loss when they twist, hence the cost.)
gluing planks is nonetheless a valid technique used for making stocks, but I believe it is used to play with color patterns, save wood and more easily create the general shape of the stock. Example here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ednVDfBoVL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ednVDfBoVL0)
Woodworkers more experienced than me are welcome to chime in and correct what I offered at any time.
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Randy at RL Airguns is expecting his next shipment of Avengers any day now!
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Just wanted to let you know I'm making progress on the walnut stock for the Avenger, in case your interested. Inletting is much easier to make than Liberty stock.
Stephen how did you cut the inlet ? I have done several Richards micro fit stocks using a die grinder with carbide cutter to get the general shape , then tubing with DA sand paper with sticky backing to hold it on the tubing , also a up right drill press with machinist vise .. I have a lot of experience using die grinder's porting 2 stroke racing motors for jet ski's for decades, the average person might have a hard time with that ... it it is some work accomplish for sure ..
I cant wait to see your finished stock , I like the effort your putting in ... ;D ;)
Hey Dan, All done with a router and two bits. 1/2" straight bit and 1" core box cutter. Oh and some chisels. Much easier than the Libetrty. I will have a detailed video in a few weeks.
stephen
Thanks for the info Stephen , I can't wait to see the video , maybe after watching I will get a block of forest camo laminate ,and take a crack at it myself .. ;)
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Randy at RL Airguns is expecting his next shipment of Avengers any day now!
OH YES ! I have a .22 ordered from him ... I cant wait to pull the trigger on this 1 ... ;D
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i have had mine in .22 since the early delivery of the 1st run, and i like the gun as it is right out of the box.....little tweek'n and its a hunter for sure.
not far behind my Impact .22 in accuracy out to 100yrds 8)
John that's great news , pretty amazing for $300 ...
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Here is some more progress on the Walnut stock for Avenger
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There's a lot of work that goes in to a custom stock for sure, you're making some remarkable progress on that one Stephen !!!
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Oh man , I can't wait for the video !
Thanks Stephen!!!!
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Sorry fellas... I'm not interested in adding a couple more pounds and a couple hundred bucks to my investment in this gun. That kinda defeats the reasons I bought it in the first place.
I love looking at what other folks do to theirs though.
I agree on the weight part ... that stock on my mrod at that point in time un- finished was around 70 bucks if I remember right , what I do on a few of my guns is have the light weight stock usually oem for going out in the field ...then have my own usually better for bench shooting after market stock , so you have the best of both worlds ... ;)
so even if I buy a cool wood stock for the Avenger , the plastic 1 goes on for for hiking /hunting . Boyds on the Benji stocks they make ,has a light weight 99 buck stock in laminate that's pretty cool .. spike camp forest laminate 99 bucks ! cheap ! for the guy that wants 1 ...
https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product-configurator (https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product-configurator)
will a Discovery stock work on a Maximus?
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Attached are three scans of the outline for the Avenger Walnut stock in case you want a rough sketch to go by
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Attached are three scans of the outline for the Avenger Walnut stock in case you want a rough sketch to go by
A very big Thank You, Stephen!
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Going to raise the grain tomorrow and apply Tru-Oil
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8) 8) 8)
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I like it ! ..
;D ;D ;D ;D
Stephen mine's next ! ... ;) .... but I want forest green camo Laminate .... ;D ;D ;D
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Oh yeah that's turning out to be another beautiful gun stock Stephen !!! I'll be looking forward to another one of your top notch video's . . . very cool 8)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=175973.0;attach=332477;image)
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Just finished the Walnut stock for the AV Avenger.
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Very nice !!! I take it another range day isn't too far away for that gun.
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Suh-WEEET! 8) 8) 8)
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You're stock looks amazing. Good job.
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Just finished the Walnut stock for the AV Avenger.
WOW !.... I really like it Stephen you did a great job.... looks like the ultimate target stock , how much did it add in weight ? … The extra weight will help bench shooting out to longer distances . I was testing some 28 g eun jin pellets .22 in my Avenger .22 { I have both now .22/.25} I maxed the gun out HS all the way in 2900 psi reg 840 fps is what it did with those = 44 fpe 3shot group 1 ragged hole 50 yards on the fourth on that test I blew it and was 3/8 off ::) ;D , I am finding out this .22 as long as you get the FPS right, just seems to shoot about every thing pretty darn good … its really not what does the gun like , its ..is there any thing it doesn't like ! ;)
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Just finished the Walnut stock for the AV Avenger.
WOW !.... I really like it Stephen you did a great job.... looks like the ultimate target stock , how much did it add in weight ? … The extra weight will help bench shooting out to longer distances . I was testing some 28 g eun jin pellets .22 in my Avenger .22 { I have both now .22/.25} I maxed the gun out HS all the way in 2900 psi reg 840 fps is what it did with those = 44 fpe 3shot group 1 ragged hole 50 yards on the fourth on that test I blew it and was 3/8 off ::) ;D , I am finding out this .22 as long as you get the FPS right, just seems to shoot about every thing pretty darn good … its really not what does the gun like , its ..is there any thing it doesn't like ! ;)
Dan it's 7lb 14oz total
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That ain't bad considering how thick you left it in some areas and the hardware for the cheek riser and butt pad.
Good looking stock.... congrats.
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Just finished the Walnut stock for the AV Avenger.
WOW !.... I really like it Stephen you did a great job.... looks like the ultimate target stock , how much did it add in weight ? … The extra weight will help bench shooting out to longer distances . I was testing some 28 g eun jin pellets .22 in my Avenger .22 { I have both now .22/.25} I maxed the gun out HS all the way in 2900 psi reg 840 fps is what it did with those = 44 fpe 3shot group 1 ragged hole 50 yards on the fourth on that test I blew it and was 3/8 off ::) ;D , I am finding out this .22 as long as you get the FPS right, just seems to shoot about every thing pretty darn good … its really not what does the gun like , its ..is there any thing it doesn't like ! ;)
Dan it's 7lb 14oz total
Okay, now that you have your fancy stock how about showing us those MOA groups at 100 yards. 🧐
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Just finished the Walnut stock for the AV Avenger.
WOW !.... I really like it Stephen you did a great job.... looks like the ultimate target stock , how much did it add in weight ? … The extra weight will help bench shooting out to longer distances . I was testing some 28 g eun jin pellets .22 in my Avenger .22 { I have both now .22/.25} I maxed the gun out HS all the way in 2900 psi reg 840 fps is what it did with those = 44 fpe 3shot group 1 ragged hole 50 yards on the fourth on that test I blew it and was 3/8 off ::) ;D , I am finding out this .22 as long as you get the FPS right, just seems to shoot about every thing pretty darn good … its really not what does the gun like , its ..is there any thing it doesn't like ! ;)
Dan it's 7lb 14oz total
Okay, now that you have your fancy stock how about showing us those MOA groups at 100 yards. 🧐
Hey Robert. You know I will try.
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https://youtu.be/tyz16Dt4mOU
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Nice work, Stephen - you certainly have a way with wood. How much additional weight gain was there over the plastic stock?
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Very good Stephen, sincerely appreciate the extra effort put forth to document this process for people who wouldn’t have any clue how to approach or what to consider. Gonna save some grief for sure.
Goodonya
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Nice work, Stephen - you certainly have a way with wood. How much additional weight gain was there over the plastic stock?
Total weight is 7 lb 13.7oz which about 13 oz heavier even with all the extra hardware.
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I was wondering if you could upgrade the regulator gauge to be a little more accurate. Does anyone know if the thread on the pressure gauge for the regulated side is 1/8 npt?
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just figured out the regulator gauge is a m8 thread encase anyone else wanted to know.
I did find something else interesting out when comparing my liberty to the avenger. I tuned both guns to the same setup using crossman budget pellets. I took a scope directly off a liberty zero'd for crossman pellets @ 880 fps. I moved to the avenger and set the reg at 1250psi with HS at +1.125 from full backed out resulting in average FPS at 885fps. At 30 yards I had to max the elevation on my scope which was greater than 30 MOA different than the liberty for elevation. and I was still off my 2 MOA using the reticle. The strange thing is, My brother ordered an avenger in the same shipment and he has the same problem. I was using the dovetail mount he was using the picatinny mount. Has anyone else has this issue? I am wondering if they have a manufacturing issue with the last shipment. Not sure how best to proceed.
Steve
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I have the same issue with my .22 Avenger. If I remove the barrel shroud the gun shoots about 6" higher at 30 yards than when the shroud is on. Seems like when the barrel is inside the shroud (with the barrel centralizer) it is being pushed downwards. I've made sure all of the screws are snug - the rail, the barrel band, screws holding the barrel in place, etc.
Also be careful not to over tighten the scope ring mounting screws. The rail seems to be made out of fairly soft pot metal. I usually mount rings at around 30 in-lbs. When I did that on the Avenger using a picatinny mount it warped the rail. I then tried a dovetail mount and it snapped off a piece of the rail. Had to order a new replacement rail. Now I won't tighten the mount above 20 in-lb.
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I still haven't seen anything about a person installing a duy poppet in their Avenger yet, I think I'll just take mine back apart and install the duy poppet that I have, first I'll compare the poppet that's in it with a Liberty poppet just to make sure because duy made two of them for me back when I fixed my Liberty with one. The Liberty has been leak free ever since that. I still don't understand why Nova Vista is still using that garbage design they have for their poppets, as Stephen says in his video about the stock that came with his avenger . . . garbage and I have to agree. I'd love to have a wood stock that I could just install on my Avenger however that ain't going to happen unless someone starts building them commercially.
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I've been chasing a accuracy issue on my .25 avenger, tried all the usual remedies, and finally contacted PA for warranty questions, they wanted me to ship entire rifle,but since I've done several mo ds to the stock and shroud, I declined that offer , just wanted a new barrel, after 3-4 back and forth emails, I offered to purchase a new barrel ,bingo that was the magic word, so 45.00 + tax and shipping my new barrel is on the way , should be here today, so after I finish processing a deer today I'll tear the avenger down and install the new barrel whoo hoo.
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Why didn't I think of that? getting just the barrel...
Anyway, I bought an Avenger in 25. I will not be working on that any time soon but probably end of December.
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Wayne, did you notice in Stevens's video that the valve face is now stainless steel and not brass and that the raised rim is wider that the poppet seats on? This may make the crappy material they use for the poppet last a bit longer, but we are already seeing a trend starting on some of the rifles starting to leak. Good thing for the owners they are still under warranty. I've been monitoring GTA and AGN to see when this trend would start and what AV might do to correct the issue. Glad I had Duy machine my stock valve and make a new poppet from Peek, it is supposed to be here tomorrow per USPS tracking. Can't wait to reassemble my Liberty. The next problem might be the regulator on my gun starting to creep, but that's why I don't fill beyond 3500 psi.
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Tom my Liberty has been working perfect since I put the duy poppet in it, still haven't taken my Avenger back apart yet but if the frigid weather we're getting keeps up I'll be doing that soon. I've got a S&W 78G pistol coming probably tomorrow (it was supposed to be here today) and I'll probably be doing some tinkering with that before I get back into the Avenger.
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Tom my Liberty has been working perfect since I put the duy poppet in it, still haven't taken my Avenger back apart yet but if the frigid weather we're getting keeps up I'll be doing that soon. I've got a S&W 78G pistol coming probably tomorrow (it was supposed to be here today) and I'll probably be doing some tinkering with that before I get back into the Avenger.
Not to hijack the thread, but did you ever get your DAR sorted out? I wanted an Avenger to begin with, but decided to hold back and see if they were as prone to leaking as the Liberty. Once I discovered those issues were still present, I began considering a DAR. That is until I read about the issues you were having and several others on AGN.
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Antwuan I think I basically got a lemon, mine also has one of the tapered valve springs in it, I seen others that had their's apart and they had the straight springs in their's by the pictures that I seen ??? I haven't messed with it since I ordered the JB weld to try fixing it with.
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just figured out the regulator gauge is a m8 thread encase anyone else wanted to know.
I did find something else interesting out when comparing my liberty to the avenger. I tuned both guns to the same setup using crossman budget pellets. I took a scope directly off a liberty zero'd for crossman pellets @ 880 fps. I moved to the avenger and set the reg at 1250psi with HS at +1.125 from full backed out resulting in average FPS at 885fps. At 30 yards I had to max the elevation on my scope which was greater than 30 MOA different than the liberty for elevation. and I was still off my 2 MOA using the reticle. The strange thing is, My brother ordered an avenger in the same shipment and he has the same problem. I was using the dovetail mount he was using the picatinny mount. Has anyone else has this issue? I am wondering if they have a manufacturing issue with the last shipment. Not sure how best to proceed.
Steve
Just wanted to report back. I took off the picatinny rails and found a flashing from the manufacturing process used to make the rails on the front rail. It wasn't much material (less than 0.01") but raised the poi almost 20moa. I forgot to take a picture before I removed it. If you found you are having issues with your scope being at the limits of its adjustments low, then i would check this out. you only need to remove 4-5 screws its pretty easy. My avenger was from the December 2020 shipment to AV.
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My scope rails were not level with each other ,I removed the rails and filed the studs down at a angle and filed the bottom of the rails on one side to get them level to each other .
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My scope rails were not level with each other ,I removed the rails and filed the studs down at a angle and filed the bottom of the rails on one side to get them level to each other .
yep I think one of the areas the savings are going into is reduced quality control. From what I have seen the fixes are pretty simple to make. If I had paid more money for the gun i would have been upset but since its such a low cost gun its not as disappointing. I am really happy with the gun. Its dead accurate .5" groups at 50 even with cheap crossman pellets. Cant wait to get my order of NSA slugs and see what they can do at longer range with some tuning.
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Mine was in that same shipment and it was impacting 6" low...I seen your post, but I had already checked screw tightness so I shimmed rear ring. I used a .014" thick card stock and everything came together.
The rail was down and tight...
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Hello, very late to the party. But the low POI is actually very easy to fix and somewhat counterintuitive until you think about it( much like raising a scopes
POI) It took me a while to figure it out. If you loosen the grub screw on the rear barrel shroud support, that will raise your POI. Basically, if it's too tight, it raises the rear of the shroud in relation to the barrel stabilizer and barrel shroud stabilizer , forcing your POI down, think high to low point. Loosen it up a bit and problem solved.
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Hello, very late to the party. But the low POI is actually very easy to fix and somewhat counterintuitive until you think about it( much like raising a scopes
POI) It took me a while to figure it out. If you loosen the grub screw on the rear barrel shroud support, that will raise your POI. Basically, if it's too tight, it raises the rear of the shroud in relation to the barrel stabilizer and barrel shroud stabilizer , forcing your POI down, think high to low point. Loosen it up a bit and problem solved.
It’s so weird I’ve watched several videos of people taking this rear grub screw out that holds the shroud back there. I have two avengers and I have meticulously looked them both over and cannot find a grub screw at the rear of the shroud on either one.
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Hello, that is indeed odd. I have uploaded a photo, with the Alan key in the grub screw to help you find it. I know some have a grub screw outside the shroud, mine also doesn't have that. But I'm sure they should all have the one I'm talking about
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Hello, that is indeed odd. I have uploaded a photo, with the Alan key in the grub screw to help you find it. I know some have a grub screw outside the shroud, mine also doesn't have that. But I'm sure they should all have the one I'm talking about
Ok that might be there. To me that is under the shroud. The shroud has to come off to expose that screw?? Anyway at least I know I’m not crazy. Lol
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Hello, very late to the party. But the low POI is actually very easy to fix and somewhat counterintuitive until you think about it( much like raising a scopes
POI) It took me a while to figure it out. If you loosen the grub screw on the rear barrel shroud support, that will raise your POI. Basically, if it's too tight, it raises the rear of the shroud in relation to the barrel stabilizer and barrel shroud stabilizer , forcing your POI down, think high to low point. Loosen it up a bit and problem solved.
It’s so weird I’ve watched several videos of people taking this rear grub screw out that holds the shroud back there. I have two avengers and I have meticulously looked them both over and cannot find a grub screw at the rear of the shroud on either one.
There was a change to the shroud setup towards the end of last year. The shroud is now threaded on at the rear mounting ring (as shown in Lathaniel's post). The grub screw you're talking about that holds the shroud onto the rear mounting ring is no longer there.
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Hello, very late to the party. But the low POI is actually very easy to fix and somewhat counterintuitive until you think about it( much like raising a scopes
POI) It took me a while to figure it out. If you loosen the grub screw on the rear barrel shroud support, that will raise your POI. Basically, if it's too tight, it raises the rear of the shroud in relation to the barrel stabilizer and barrel shroud stabilizer , forcing your POI down, think high to low point. Loosen it up a bit and problem solved.
It’s so weird I’ve watched several videos of people taking this rear grub screw out that holds the shroud back there. I have two avengers and I have meticulously looked them both over and cannot find a grub screw at the rear of the shroud on either one.
There was a change to the shroud setup towards the end of last year. The shroud is now threaded on at the rear mounting ring (as shown in Lathaniel's post). The grub screw you're talking about that holds the shroud onto the rear mounting ring is no longer there.
Ah ha both mine must be this way. So I would just untwist the shroud after taking the barrel band off to remove it? When do you guys expect to have the wood stocks back in supply for the avenger Tyler? Do they come with the longer screws needed? Thanks man.
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Correct. If you don't see a grub screw on the outside of the rear of your shroud, then you can just twist CCW to unscrew the shroud.
Yes, the wood stocks should be coming with the longer screws. I know some did not previously, but that should be remedied now. More should be arriving next month, heavy emphasis on the word 'should', so don't quote me on that LOL
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Correct. If you don't see a grub screw on the outside of the rear of your shroud, then you can just twist CCW to unscrew the shroud.
Yes, the wood stocks should be coming with the longer screws. I know some did not previously, but that should be remedied now. More should be arriving next month, heavy emphasis on the word 'should', so don't quote me on that LOL
Yeah I know how that goes in todays market. Thanks for the quick response. Have a great day and love PA YouTube videos.
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I have owned my Avenger 25cal for over a year and am very pleased with it, but at first I struggled with the poi scope adjustment as well and finally solved it with scope shims. Am I reading this correct, you are saying that by repositioning the ‘shroud’ at the breech via the shroud mounting block will change the poi? How can that alter the position of the bbl at the breech if the bbl is attached to the receiver? I don’t get it…. Help..
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I have owned my Avenger 25cal for over a year and am very pleased with it, but at first I struggled with the poi scope adjustment as well and finally solved it with scope shims. Am I reading this correct, you are saying that by repositioning the ‘shroud’ at the breech via the shroud mounting block will change the poi? How can that alter the position of the bbl at the breech if the bbl is attached to the receiver? I don’t get it…. Help..
On my 22 the front part of the picatiny rail was loose out of the box. Tightening that down fixed my massively low POI problem
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Thanks Trucker, my pic rail wasn't great either and in my attempts to center poi I replaced it with an aftermarket aluminum pic rail. Still, my scope adjustments are way off center but now I can hit at 85yds but then run out of moa adjustments. Sorry to sound ignorant but it seems I am. If there is a way to center the bore poi on the Avenger from the breech end would you explain it again?
Thanks,
Tom
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Please forgive my rather rudimentary drawing, not to scale either. Looks like I shouldn't have passed preschool, however the concept is similar to shimming a scope, except in reverse. Haha.
1) shows a properly aligned shroud, everything is in alignment. As it should be.
2) Shows how the shroud would align, with the grub screw being too tight.
3) Shows the effect of the grub screw being to tight and the shroud, being "made" to fit.
Now the explanation. As you tighten the screw, you force the barrel lower in the rear shroud support,(or more accurately the rear barrel shroud support higher in relatuon to the barrel)now as the barrel is lower, the shroud support, becomes higher in relation to the middle barrel shroud support and the barrel band. When you make it fit, this forces the barrel to be facing in a downward angle, which is very small but perceptible in your point of impact and measurable in your shroud. Measure the space between your barrel shroud and the air tube at the back, near the breech and again near the muzzle, if it's the support, you will notice that there is a definite change in gap. Unlike a scope, which wants to be facing downward to increase your elevation, your barrel needs to be pointed up to get the same effect.
Hope this explanation helps.
As a small edit, the rear shroud support does not affect where the barrel starts, as much as where it ends. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but if you have a fixed middle point and you raise the rear, the front drops and vice versa. The barrel rear point remains constant, the barrel shroud however does not, and it is the barrel shroud and support that forces the muzzle down.
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Thanks latty, now it makes sense. If I ever remove my barrel to polish it, I'll try to center it as it should be. Like #1 .
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Pleasure, no need to remove the barrel, just the shroud, and even that only 5cm or less, a really painless procedure.
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What do you guys use for barrel bands? I've heard of maintaining poi issues and curious what you guys use. There's a couple brands out there. One has 2 separate bands, ones called the lock down I think. Want something simple and keeps things in check
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What do you guys use for barrel bands? I've heard of maintaining poi issues and curious what you guys use. There's a couple brands out there. One has 2 separate bands, ones called the lock down I think. Want something simple and keeps things in check
I'm using the black arts design barrel band. It's also 2 piece and I can slide the barrel band up & down the shroud. I found better groups with it towards the end of the shroud.
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Dillon..
Mine is in .25.
I did nothing more than adjust the regulator and adjust the hammer spring.... it's bone stock.
No additional barrel band or nuthin.
You can begin reading here if you like.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=177143.msg156010642#msg156010642 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=177143.msg156010642#msg156010642)
Some pellet testing and accuracy.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=177143.msg156006719#msg156006719 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=177143.msg156006719#msg156006719)
... and here.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=177143.msg156006747#msg156006747 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=177143.msg156006747#msg156006747)
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I use the donny FL adapter, holds the barrel centered to the shroud and a simple 3d printed barrel band, bought before I figured it out, do not dare how much it means now, but shroudnus stable so if not why not. Pictured below. I put it close to the stock, centered on the serial number
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Please forgive my rather rudimentary drawing, not to scale either. Looks like I shouldn't have passed preschool, however the concept is similar to shimming a scope, except in reverse. Haha.
1) shows a properly aligned shroud, everything is in alignment. As it should be.
2) Shows how the shroud would align, with the grub screw being too tight.
3) Shows the effect of the grub screw being to tight and the shroud, being "made" to fit.
Now the explanation. As you tighten the screw, you force the barrel lower in the rear shroud support,(or more accurately the rear barrel shroud support higher in relatuon to the barrel)now as the barrel is lower, the shroud support, becomes higher in relation to the middle barrel shroud support and the barrel band. When you make it fit, this forces the barrel to be facing in a downward angle, which is very small but perceptible in your point of impact and measurable in your shroud. Measure the space between your barrel shroud and the air tube at the back, near the breech and again near the muzzle, if it's the support, you will notice that there is a definite change in gap. Unlike a scope, which wants to be facing downward to increase your elevation, your barrel needs to be pointed up to get the same effect.
Hope this explanation helps.
As a small edit, the rear shroud support does not affect where the barrel starts, as much as where it ends. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but if you have a fixed middle point and you raise the rear, the front drops and vice versa. The barrel rear point remains constant, the barrel shroud however does not, and it is the barrel shroud and support that forces the muzzle down.
So this is an example of what you mean, correct.
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Yes, that's it. There is a little grin screw in that . Tightening or loosening will change your POI
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Anybody know, where I can buy a full avenger valve setup, poppet, valve stem and valve housing?
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Try here, pyramydair.com
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Great thanks, will give them a go