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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 => Topic started by: BassMan on May 18, 2020, 07:40:22 PM
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At 70 years old I am really tired of using the hand pump. I recently purchased a 0.25 cal Mrod and I have to tell you, pumping that thing up with a hand pump is a PIA! So, I'm looking for suggestions for a compressor. I would like one that can run on either 12v dc or 120v ac and does not need water for cooling. I don't shoot a great deal, maybe 1 tin (200 pellets) a month. Price wise I would like to stay under $700. The Benjamin Traveler and the similar Hatsan look like possibles. Anyone???
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Paul,
Be on the lookout for a Shoebox.
10, preferably.
Outstanding.
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I’m pleased with my Hatsan Spark. Total was around $400 for compressor and power supply.
Check out this thread https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153114.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153114.0)
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I’m pleased with my Hatsan Spark. Total was around $400 for compressor and power supply.
Check out this thread https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153114.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153114.0)
I agree. This is a good thread to read through; lot of info.
Myself, I'd consider both your options. I haven't heard too much about the Traveler...hopefully someone who owns one can chime in and give a brief report of it's performance.
The Shoebox option is good too, but last I heard, the price went up to $1200 or something. That, and the setup for it isn't nearly as trouble free as the smaller compressors. Don't get me wrong, it's a great booster. At 70, though...I don't think BassMan is going to enjoy setting up two compressors for each shooting session.
For a Marauder, and for occasional use, I think the two smaller compressors should work just fine. I doubt either of them would be overworked.
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Can't buy an F10 new anymore unless you are NASA, he said that he's done building them.
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I have a New Warrior compressor, same as spark, bout from Wes at airgun archery fun. So far it has done its job, with mainly weekend use for almost a year.
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I said, “Be on the lookout for a Shoebox”.
They are always available.
At 70, huh?
I am 75 this year and when I want to fill a tank, the only waiting period is for the pancake compressor to build up to pressure.
Setup?
You mean plug in and turn on?
I will be 75 this year and not many on this forum below my age can keep up with me.
I hunt antelopes at 7000 feet and shoot prairie dogs at the same elevation
Watch your patronizing generalizations or you may open a pandora’s box you can’t handle!
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Lol...are you serious?
No, Frank...not everyone is like you, and sure, maybe not everyone can keep up with you. ::) Frankly, I don't care what altitude you hunt at or what you hunt; this thread's not about you. It's about BassMan looking for something simple to fill his rifle. Stop thumping your chest for a second and read.
The Shoebox is a wonderful contraption, but requires a different set up. I'm glad I don't have to repeat the process for every shooting session. My SB and my pancake aren't set up together, so every time I want to run it, I need to pull out all 4 components (table, tank, SB and pancake). I'm not quite sure that's the simplicity BassMan is looking for.
I'll pass on your idle threats for now. I did not personally attack you nor berate your suggestion about the SB; I simply made an observation about BassMan's age and a deduction of how he does not enjoy pumping, which led me to conclude that lugging around and setting up items that are 3-4 times as heavy as a hand pump would not be his cup of tea.
You, however, are admonishing me to watch what I say lest I open pandora's box? Come now...be fair. And while you're at it, I'm sure an apology to BassMan is in order, because what I read from your response sure makes it seem like you're making very light of his own challenges.
"I'm 70, and pumping is a PITA."
"I'm 75 and not many people can keep up with me, I hunt antelope at 7000 elevation and shoot prairie dogs. Watch what you say."
Just to put that in perspective.
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I said, “Be on the lookout for a Shoebox”.
They are always available.
At 70, huh?
I am 75 this year and when I want to fill a tank, the only waiting period is for the pancake compressor to build up to pressure.
Setup?
You mean plug in and turn on?
I will be 75 this year and not many on this forum below my age can keep up with me.
I hunt antelopes at 7000 feet and shoot prairie dogs at the same elevation
Watch your patronizing generalizations or you may open a pandora’s box you can’t handle!
Just wanted to make sure that this stays as it is, with no editing from you.
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I have a New Warrior compressor, same as spark, bout from Wes at airgun archery fun. So far it has done its job, with mainly weekend use for almost a year.
I'm wondering if I should buy one for backup. Sure, my Spark is slow on the fill...but for simplicity, it's quite hard to beat. Its Iight, runs off of a 110v power supply and a 12v battery. No water setup either.
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I said, “Be on the lookout for a Shoebox”.
They are always available.
At 70, huh?
I am 75 this year and when I want to fill a tank, the only waiting period is for the pancake compressor to build up to pressure.
Setup?
You mean plug in and turn on?
I will be 75 this year and not many on this forum below my age can keep up with me.
I hunt antelopes at 7000 feet and shoot prairie dogs at the same elevation
Watch your patronizing generalizations or you may open a pandora’s box you can’t handle!
That Shoebox and pancake is going to take a decent sized Inverter to run them both don't you think? Plus I would imaging since he wanted 12v he is likely going to put in some kind of vehicle. Can't imagine moving a complete shoebox setup back and forth.
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Gentlemen.... please confine your comments to each other to the PM boxes.
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Mike M at Flying Dragon Air Rifles will be having the grease type Xisico compressor available very soon.
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Wayne... is that the same one that Wes sells out of Canada? .. the one that JSAR was testing?
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Bill it uses grease instead of oil though but really the same compressor.
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Interesting.... I should give Mike a shout.
My Vevor (YH knock off) has been doing the job for me. I've had it for 2 years or more (guessing). I fill guns directly and use the large size Folgers container for water. If, by chance, the water gets to hot just dump it out and refill it.... that don't happen too often depending on how many times I fill the gun in a session. Typically I rotate my guns in shooting sessions.... PCP, pumpers, thumpers and C02. If I take a PCP on a 'walk a bout' I rarely use more than a mag or two. We don't shoot nearly as much as we used to but being 'air independent' just makes life so much easier when we do.
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Well, ok then.
If you want one of those Chinese compressors, you had better hurry cause the price is going to be going up real soon.
I am stuck with my Chinese computer and cellphone and the Marauders and Red Ryders probably began life there, but I refuse to buy anymore items from there.
Taiwan, Japan, Korea, even Vietnam, OK.
Finally, I apologize to other seniors on the forum.
I refuse to grow up and I hope you feel better soon.
Remember, we will all be dead a lot longer than we are alive.
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Well, ok then.
If you want one of those Chinese compressors, you had better hurry cause the price is going to be going up real soon.
I am stuck with my Chinese computer and cellphone and the Marauders and Red Ryders probably began life there, but I refuse to buy anymore items from there.
Taiwan, Japan, Korea, even Vietnam, OK.
Finally, I apologize to other seniors on the forum.
I refuse to grow up and I hope you feel better soon.
Remember, we will all be dead a lot longer than we are alive.
That's a fact Frank... as far as I know nobody has found a way out of life alive yet.
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90% of the compressors are made in China I think, that other 10% are probably $3K to buy one, no way I'm going to pay that kinda money for a compressor. I love my F10 but they're not for sale anymore and finding one is probably as hard as finding hens teeth !!!
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Wayne,
I am with you.
I got a great deal on my F10 when they went on sale and then another 10% when Tom’s wife asked for some identification for the credit card purchase. I, of course scanned the retired military ID into the order.
You do see F8’s come up for sale on the AA from time to time, though..
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Heck if I had known about the Military discount at the time I would have gone for that for sure but I wasn't aware of it. I got the deal when they were on sale though for $499 so I'm not complaining. I bought both the F10 and a Cal compressor ultra quiet at the time and with the other hardware I bought the total was about $750. I use that Cal compressor a lot with the air hose, most of the time it's for blowing off hot water on gun parts and molds when I clean them. Usually when I'm blowing a mold dried I immediately start warming it up to cast with.
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I didn’t know about the discount either.
She saw the card and took $50.00 off...
She tossed in a few extra o-rings, too.
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When I first got my F10 I had a problem with it and emailed Tom right away but by the time I get a phone call from Tom I had the problem fixed, it was a misaligned top cylinder (low pressure) I did replace the o rings in it and it hasn't been apart since, works like a charm, I just make sure everything is lubed good.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. And Frank, I didn't mean to imply that I was an invalid at 70, simply that using the hand pump is a PIA. I'm sure I'm not the fine specimen of manhood that you are but I don't see you using a hand pump either ;D!
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I still use a hand pump if it's a pcp pistol or something like the Discovery or Varmint but am spoil with my Shobox and tanks now.
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LOL... I don't ride a bicycle anymore.... that don't mean I can't.
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I've been using the Nomad II for a year and a half, with no problems. Check it out!
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Gentlemen.... please confine your comments to each other to the PM boxes.
Yes sir.
As for the compressors, yes a Nomad is another option. Totally forgot about it.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. And Frank, I didn't mean to imply that I was an invalid at 70, simply that using the hand pump is a PIA. I'm sure I'm not the fine specimen of manhood that you are but I don't see you using a hand pump either ;D!
Paul,
You have that right.
I bought my first Marauder about 9 years ago.
It came with a pump.
I used it for about a month.
It is in like new condition.
I have two tanks and the SB10.
If I didn’t have the compressor, no worries.
My club has one..
BTW: As others here already know. I have high blood pressure, high cholesterol and Type 2 Diabetes. All diagnosed by the VA as resulting from my exposure in 1968 to Agent Orange. Everyone who served with me during my 22 years are gone. Why am I here? I will enjoy every moment left to me.
Stay safe.
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Frank, I'm glad you didn't take my post wrong. That's the trouble with the interweb, you can't experience good natured kibbitzing like you can in person. I do appreciate your input,stay safe my friend.
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It's kind of sounding like my choices may come down to a Hatsan Spark, Warrior, or Benji Traveler (or a shoebox if the price is right). Any experience with any of these? pro or con. From what I've read it sounds like the Hatsan's have good customer service. Anyone?
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Paul, I got the Hatsan over the unbranded ones precisely due to the 1 year warranty. I figure if it works well for a year, it’ll likely last fine after that. My other consideration was price—at $400 it was the least expensive compared to the Nomad, Traveler, etc.
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First off...Frank. Thank you for your service and I hope the VA is taking care of you. It's an injustice how they treat some of the veterans sometimes. I highly doubt I'll make it to 75; longevity isn't something that runs in my family. So you have the one up on me there.
Next up - BassMan. For simplicity, I'll go out on a limb and say that the three options are probably going to be easiest. I don't have any experience with the Traveler or the Nomad, so hopefully some of the folks who have them can give you a little more in-depth review.
I have a Spark, and it's been doing well, aside from the temp gauge dying. I purchased it as a refurb from Hatsan, and it's been chugging nicely. For the gauge, I'm assuming it's just a matter of the batteries dying out. It fills slow, but I don't find that being too much of a deal breaker; it's capability to run off of a 110v power supply or a 12v car battery make up for that. Also, the added bonus of not having to set up a container of water makes the icing pretty nice. I have a YH that has not seen much usage in the past 6 months, and a large part of that was due to the Spark being so much easier to set up.
I also have a Shoebox, and I will say that I am glad that I made that investment. Sure, it needs a shop compressor, but it's such an easy compressor/booster to use. You can set the PSI cut off and it will slowly, slowly, fill your tank or rifle. I have a SCBA tank that I take with me now on my jungle walks, and it's pure air independence. I also bring the Spark just in case I get a little trigger happy or if I have an extended shooting session with my Sumatra or my big bores. The set up isn't too bad, but it's not something that I'd like to repeat on the daily; although if that were the case, I'd find some way to have a dedicated fill station set up.
In terms of Customer Service, anecdotal evidence suggests Crosman has outstanding customer service, although I have yet to experience that. They won't ship anything to the regular consumer out here...but they have no problems shipping out to their distributor here. Coincidentally, that distributor is a mere 2 minute drive away from me. Go figure. Hatsan, on the other hand, I have had no problems with. I've ordered numerous spare parts, the Spark and even some optics from them, and there hasn't been a hiccup. The only issue I've had with them was parts being out of stock. For myself, their customer service is commendable.
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A Tuxing came up on the classifieds if you are so inclined.
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Paul, Can you set the Spark to shut off at a certain pressure? Also, how long would it take to bring an Mrod from 2000 to 3000 psi?
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Bill I seen that Mike@Mrodair has one for sale. He's also got some varmints now too ??? I doubt he's ordering from SPA again though. I tried loading adding two to the basket but it would only do one on the compressor. The price is $750 on the compressor.
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Paul, Can you set the Spark to shut off at a certain pressure? Also, how long would it take to bring an Mrod from 2000 to 3000 psi?
As far as I know, no. It needs to be monitored. As for filling your MRod, I see that it has a 215cc reservoir, so that is pretty close to my Bullboss, which is a 230cc. 2000-3000PSI is roughly 150BAR to 200, which is usually where I do my fills.
The Spark on a 12v source fills the Boss in about a min and half. On the 110v power supply, it fills in about a minute. I'd assume that your times should be roughly the same, given that our fill pressures are identical and reservoirs very similar.
Just for a comparison, the Yong Heng fills the Boss in about 10-15 seconds at those pressures. Not bad, but the tube is always warm-ish when I fill with the YH. Not so much with the Spark.
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Bill I seen that Mike@Mrodair has one for sale. He's also got some varmints now too ??? I doubt he's ordering from SPA again though. I tried loading adding two to the basket but it would only do one on the compressor. The price is $750 on the compressor.
Haven't spoke to him in forever.
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One thing that I'll mention about the Nomad II, that I'm not sure that the other 12V type compressors have, is the it has a coalescing water separator built in. On the bottom of the compressor is what appears, at first glance is another vent valve. Not quite! This is the drain for a moisture separator, that I think is after the first stage of the compressor. You open this up every so often to drain water. It does a pretty nice job of removing water/moisture. I have a desiccant filter (indicating) on the output of the compressor, and when checking this, I rarely see any color change in the desiccant.
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Thanks Doug, good info for sure!
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It seems eveyone is out of the Nomad ll but when I looked at Amazon another one that looked identical is a Tuxing TXET061. Is this the same just rebranded or a cheaper knockoff?
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If you can wait and watch the pricing everyday. Be ready to pull the trigger when the time comes. Most of these machines sell for 1/3 less once a new shipment arrives. The Yong Heng I bought a few weeks ago was $400+, then when the shipment arrived the price fell to $225 delivered. I offered $200 and they accepted $210. I see the price is back up to $400 +.
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People on another forum have suggested that for the amount that I shoot a scuba tank may be the way to go. So, what size tank and fittings would I need to fill my Mrod to 3000 psi? Cost?
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People on another forum have suggested that for the amount that I shoot a scuba tank may be the way to go. So, what size tank and fittings would I need to fill my Mrod to 3000 psi? Cost?
With a tank, you'll need to load it up and take it to a scuba shop or possibly a local fire station to get filled. With a compressor, plug it in and fill. No travelling. And you WILL shoot more when you don't have to hand pump.
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People on another forum have suggested that for the amount that I shoot a scuba tank may be the way to go. So, what size tank and fittings would I need to fill my Mrod to 3000 psi? Cost?
A Scuba tank won't cut it for filling an Mrod to 3000 psi. You need a 4500psi SCBA tank. The tank size depends on how much you shoot, and how easy it is to get filled. Before buying an SCBA tank, you need to figure our for filling it near you. Some Scuba shops aren't equipped to fill to 4500 psi, and a lot of fire stations won't fill other peoples tanks due to liability reasons. In the US, to have someone fill a tank for you, the tank needs to be DOT certified, be properly hydro tested, and not be expired. This leaves out the inexpensive CE rated tanks on Ebay, and the expired tanks (greater than 15 years old).
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F10 Shoebox for sale on AA Classifieds...In Lousiana
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I will be the second one to mention the AV Nomad ll, hand pumping was not an option for me, I have plenty of scuba tanks and getting them filled was not a problem until the hurricane made a mess of everything in my area. So my solution was the Nomad ll, I have had it for about a year now and no problems with it. It does have a water separator in it and also comes with an outlet filter as well. I am able fill guns up to 4300 psi with no moisture issues. It is portable, runs on 120v or 12v dc, weighs about 20lbs, built in cooling fan so no need for water cooling attachments, does not need a compressor for filling assists, you can preset the air pressure to whatever fill pressure the gun needs and it will automatically shut off, no more dragging tanks around when hunting, comes with a carrying case to keep it clean and store the accessories. Just plug in and fill the gun. It is not designed to fill tanks, only for the gun's cylinder or tank. I caught mine on sale for $650 from PA. I can shoot anywhere at anytime and never run out of air for my guns.
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I was just snooping around AliExpress, there are some deals on the spark like compressors, approx 200 shipped, if one wants to risk long distance waranty service.
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Amazon got restocked with the CX2 and CX3 compressors,
both come with power converters
I bought a CX2, it will be here Monday
CX2
https://www.amazon.com/GX-Portable-Compressor-Oil-Free-Paintball/dp/B07XYRS15R/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=2G5XIHVF3XUAI&dchild=1&keywords=pcp+compressor+4500+psi&qid=1590768083&sprefix=PCP%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyS1JGRUsyM0VXOUVPJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTc5MDU4MVY4MlJZVEZJS0s4ViZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDM3Nzg3M1Q0SVhUMVhSUDkxUiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU= (https://www.amazon.com/GX-Portable-Compressor-Oil-Free-Paintball/dp/B07XYRS15R/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=2G5XIHVF3XUAI&dchild=1&keywords=pcp+compressor+4500+psi&qid=1590768083&sprefix=PCP%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyS1JGRUsyM0VXOUVPJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTc5MDU4MVY4MlJZVEZJS0s4ViZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDM3Nzg3M1Q0SVhUMVhSUDkxUiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=)
CX3
https://www.amazon.com/GX-Compressor-Auto-Stop-Water-Oil-Separator/dp/B0819ZH85H/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2G5XIHVF3XUAI&dchild=1&keywords=pcp+compressor+4500+psi&qid=1590768143&sprefix=PCP%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-8 (https://www.amazon.com/GX-Compressor-Auto-Stop-Water-Oil-Separator/dp/B0819ZH85H/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2G5XIHVF3XUAI&dchild=1&keywords=pcp+compressor+4500+psi&qid=1590768143&sprefix=PCP%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-8)
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I had kind of decided on a Nomad 2 but for the difference in price the CX2 is worth considering. I'll be curious on peoples experience with that compressor.
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For the $380 it is on Amazon, I’d go with the branded Hatsan Spark for the same price or less.
There is also the improved CX3 from JSAR/FDAR/AirgunArcheryFun for about $500.
Choices are good ;)
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The ones on Amazon did say that they have now been converted to oil and the new manuals will be included as soon as the old supply of manuals is spent.
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I will throw in my vote for the Nomad II, buy some silicone oil with it as it is the lube for the system. I have the hand pump, AV home compressor, tanks along with the Nomad II. I had a life change recently and I no longer have the ability to use the AV home compressor & tanks, it is in storage until things change for me. Now I carry the Nomad II with me out on my hunting trips, it fills the gun to 4350PSI with no problem even at 4000 feet. Mine is about 8 months old. I use the jeep battery with the engine running when filling multiple guns in a row. The Nomad II was a good investment IMO for my needs. Always buy some compressor rupture disks with any compressor you buy! You may never need them but if one does blow it will not mess up your activities.
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Good info re: the Nomad 2 Randy!
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For the $380 it is on Amazon, I’d go with the branded Hatsan Spark for the same price or less.
There is also the improved CX3 from JSAR/FDAR/AirgunArcheryFun for about $500.
Choices are good ;)
I have considered the Spark but unlike the Nomad 2 it doesn't come with the 120v adapter, auto shutoff or the handy drain.
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I have considered the Spark but unlike the Nomad 2 it doesn't come with the 120v adapter, auto shutoff or the handy drain.
I wanted to go with the Nomad 2 too, but for a couple hundred less, I got the Spark and 120V supply, and decided I could live without the extra water drain or auto shutoff.
In using it, the purge valve seems mostly sufficient, and the rifle fills in 3.5 minutes from 800 psi to 3100 psi so the auto shutoff turned out to not be nearly as important to me either. Besides, knowing me, I’d keep a close eye on it while filling anyway ;)
If I had found the unbranded version of the Spark with power supply for $200, I’d most likely have gone that way rather than the Hatsan Spark and power supply for $400.
Of course, your needs might lead to a different decision :)
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Have you heard any reports about the generic Spark?
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I don’t recall anything negative; apparently the only differences the branded ones have are the stickers and the one year warranty.
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https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/ (https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/)
http://xisicousa.com/site/index.php/product/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor-2/ (http://xisicousa.com/site/index.php/product/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor-2/)
same as GX CS2 and CS3 on Amazon