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Several years ago, the Webley VMX , made by Hatsan, was a much sought after rifle by many members of GTA. These were limited & available in .177 . .20 , & .22. The .20 was the cheapest way to get a .20 break barrel . I still own mine & have enjoyed it.
How many members still have a Webley VMX & in what caliber ?
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Well that sale was not as massive as the P-17, but yes I bought a WVM in .20 then, and still have and enjoy it. It did suffer from a beak in the stock, that a PIF from TommyBoy remadied ;)
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My stock forearm broke too, & I bought a wood stock from someone on here.
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Sought by some as an inexpensive way to try a .20 cal, hedged on by many just because they were so inexpensive plus built by Hatsan and scoffed at by the higher end crowd because they didn't say Weihrauch/Beeman or have a Rekord trigger, even though they were only $99.99 on the Amazon sell-off and very likely could have been easily sold later if they found they didn't like them.
The last ones in .20 cal from Amazon were all the older version rifles with 2 piece cocking arms which, while not impossible, meant doing a little carving inside the wood Striker stocks to make them fit. The newer ones all had 1 piece cocking arms and dropped right in. I still have all 3 I got from that Amazon sell-off. All have 2011-2012 build dates, never had an issue yet with stocks cracking and whatever Hatsan was doing back then during the barrel making, they did very right because all 3 are silly accurate, not pellet picky and deadly on pests with Predator Polymags.
My 3, one of which now sits in a tweaked Striker stock:
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I got mine in .20, when Amazon was doing their close-out sale.
The plastic stock was a smidge lighter but had that hollow thunk.
I got the wood stock from Hatsan. Had to do a little dremel work to get the two piece linkage to fit and work right but it turned out fine.
I love it!
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The wood stock fit perfectly in mine. These were sold for $199, & price was dropping . I started looking for a .20, since I had so many pellets that I used inSheridans. I looked for quite awhile & finally saw one for $ 140, the last one they had. I am very happy with it, even though I saw some for $99, later.
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My 3, one of which now sits in a tweaked Striker stock:
NICE job on that striker stock, Steve! Did you sand the forestock checkering off, or didn't it have any?
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I got one from Amazon's "bot-price-drop" back in May 2018 for ~$60 (w/tax). Since it is basically a Hatsan Edge 177, with minor differences, I thought it was a good deal.
Shot cycle was initially a bit harsh and twangy so I experimented with lowering the power by installing a Crosman spring with custom guide and spacers. That mod worked quite well. Cocking effort went way down and shot cycle was light and smooth. Accuracy at 30' was one ragged hole. It was a pleasure shooting this rifle de-tuned to <10 fpe.
Shortly after that I purchased a "youth" springer which satisfied my desire for an accurate sub 10 fpe backyard plinker so I ended up putting the factory spring back in. The combination of a good tune & lube, some hollow stock dampening, and several hundred pellet break-in greatly improved the shot cycle. I also found a couple pellets my particular rifle really liked so 10 shot groups at 30' went from the original loose 1" down to less than 1/2".
I'm a fan of Hatsan Edge/Striker rifles. With a little help these entry level springers can provide the best "bang for the buck". My VMX is a valued member of that family of rifles.
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My 3, one of which now sits in a tweaked Striker stock:
NICE job on that striker stock, Steve! Did you sand the forestock checkering off, or didn't it have any?
Lost my mind for a bit back when I was doing that stock and the guy I was selling it to asked for it to be the way you see it so it got sanded off. Part of the deal I made with everyone I sold a rifle to: Decide for whatever reason you don't want it, I'll give you your money back no questions asked, just let me know. I've only had 2 people take me up on it out of 24 rifles and that VMX .20 was one.
Also fine with that one because I never should have sold it and won't make that mistake again...lol
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Sought by some as an inexpensive way to try a .20 cal, hedged on by many just because they were so inexpensive plus built by Hatsan and scoffed at by the higher end crowd because they didn't say Weihrauch/Beeman or have a Rekord trigger, even though they were only $99.99 on the Amazon sell-off and very likely could have been easily sold later if they found they didn't like them.
The last ones in .20 cal from Amazon were all the older version rifles with 2 piece cocking arms which, while not impossible, meant doing a little carving inside the wood Striker stocks to make them fit. The newer ones all had 1 piece cocking arms and dropped right in. I still have all 3 I got from that Amazon sell-off. All have 2011-2012 build dates, never had an issue yet with stocks cracking and whatever Hatsan was doing back then during the barrel making, they did very right because all 3 are silly accurate, not pellet picky and deadly on pests with Predator Polymags.
My 3, one of which now sits in a tweaked Striker stock:
Nice rifles and scopes. Looks like one is a Nikko STIRLING GAMEKING.
Back in 2011-2012 ??? Hmmm?
Back then I was heavy into 9mm powder burners pistols. Didn't even own an airgun. Was shooting about 250 rounds a week. All my reloads then reloading components started to rise. I had purchased a Bushmaster AR15 and was reloading for it also.
I'm having more fun now, and it's now near as expensive.
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My VMX in .20 likes the JSB Heavies that came a couple of years ago . Mine shoots these heavier pellest at around 720fps, if I remember correctly. They help reduce some of the TWANG, too.
If you haven't tried these, you should !
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Sought by some as an inexpensive way to try a .20 cal, hedged on by many just because they were so inexpensive plus built by Hatsan and scoffed at by the higher end crowd because they didn't say Weihrauch/Beeman or have a Rekord trigger, even though they were only $99.99 on the Amazon sell-off and very likely could have been easily sold later if they found they didn't like them.
The last ones in .20 cal from Amazon were all the older version rifles with 2 piece cocking arms which, while not impossible, meant doing a little carving inside the wood Striker stocks to make them fit. The newer ones all had 1 piece cocking arms and dropped right in. I still have all 3 I got from that Amazon sell-off. All have 2011-2012 build dates, never had an issue yet with stocks cracking and whatever Hatsan was doing back then during the barrel making, they did very right because all 3 are silly accurate, not pellet picky and deadly on pests with Predator Polymags.
My 3, one of which now sits in a tweaked Striker stock:
Nice rifles and scopes. Looks like one is a Nikko STIRLING GAMEKING.
Back in 2011-2012 ??? Hmmm?
It is and holding up very well. I have another one sitting NIB. The one on the top rifle is a BSA Tactical Mildot 3-12x44 30mm side focus. Got a pair on a one time deal from Midway for $65 each. The other one is on my .25 AirTact. Bottom one had a Hawke but that rifle is now wrapped up and safely stored in it's original box.
My VMX in .20 likes the JSB Heavies that came a couple of years ago . Mine shoots these heavier pellest at around 720fps, if I remember correctly. They help reduce some of the TWANG, too.
If you haven't tried these, you should !
No twang in 2 of mine. Top one got tuned and the stock stuffed before it got put in the Striker stock. Middle one got converted to a Hatsan Vortex gas ram among other things done to it. Bottom one got left completely stock and now safely stored for the future.
Only tried the new heavy JSB's in the top 2 but both shot them very well and in the 650 range which I expect should go up some once the new Vortek seals I used tuning/building both wear in. Never did try them in the stock rifle.
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Nice refinish job on the Striker VMX Steve. I prefer the shape of the stock on my wood Striker 1000 over my mod95. I wish I had knew more about .20 cal when those were on sale, I would have bought one.
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I watched the amazon deals, but never ordered one, it would have been nice to have at least bought one.
I did buy a retay 135, my priorities were in the wrong place.
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Thanks, mac. The synthetic ones on the VMX's are a close match stylewise to the Strikers and easy enough to fill to deaden the echo.
It's extremely rare but now and then one will pop up for sale. Last one I saw was right here when gendoc sold his 2nd one. Before that would also have been gendoc, but he got that 1st one from a scammer on the AA classifieds whose name can't be typed here on GTA that butchered the rifle before he ever got it. Took me 2 days, but I got it rebuilt for him after he asked here for help with it.
I watched the amazon deals, but never ordered one, it would have been nice to have at least bought one.
I did buy a retay 135, my priorities were in the wrong place.
Have one of those too. I may tinker someday, but no way I'd trash what I hope is a decent reputation I made for myself buying/selling guns by selling THAT one to anyone.
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I am well aware of the person who was selling those banged up rifles !! I tried to talk a person out of dealing with him, too.
I have a large pasture behind my house & some cows are about ready to give birth. I am also hearing coyotes which will be coming over once that starts. I killed one last year with the VMX & will keep it ready for any sign of problems.
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I have not seen one in .20 cal. for sale in quite awhile. I did see a.177 not long ago. I am not really a TWANGER person, but I do have a few that I enjoy shooting.
I would like to see another lower priced .20 break barrel come on the market, but I am not holding my breath .
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This thread reminded me to break out my VMX for some seasonal exercise.
Started shooting it with some of the 10000+ boxed Crosman Dome Heavies (10.5 grain) I got from that last 2 for 1 sale with free shipping on the Crosman website. They WILL ship me pellets & parts, just not any rifles or pistols.
My VMX was still shooting dimes or better at 30' with open sights. Need to add this pellet to the "good list" for the VMX. Shot cycle had NO twang, but seemed a bit sharper than I remembered. Probably because I've been experimenting with tuning my AT44PA for the last couple weeks.
I opened up the VMX and removed the loose plastic spring guide and the loose fitting top-hat. Fabricated and installed a custom "longer & snug" steel spring guide with NO top-hat. Reassembled and shot some more 10.5 grain heavies. Chronograph says average velocity stayed the same. I "think" it shoots a little less sharp, but cannot rule out the placebo effect. Accuracy is still dimes or better at 30'.
Now I remember WHY I wanted to keep this rifle. It is easy to maneuver, shoulders well, and target acquisition is quick and effortless with the factory open sights. While a good artillery hold works best for mine, it seems much less hold sensitive than many of my other springers. IMO this is an excellent hunting rifle. Really want to take it outside after the 60mph wind gusts pass.
I also think I understand why this rifle in 20 caliber would be a keeper.
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Just out of curiosity, how do these compare to the 95? Similar power plant, or are there differences? I got a 95 in .22 cal on a clearance sale, and kinda like it- even though it might be TOO powerful and is a little harsh. Makes me wonder what else I’m missing out on from Hatsan.
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I am not sure which #95 you have. Is it spring, gas , QE ?? You really need to compare a standard spring 95 to a standard VMX.
I have a friend who does have a 95QE in .22 , that I have shot. His rifle is a sweet shooter, quieter than most, & accurate. My VMA had a wood stock, so it feels & looks a lot like the 95QE. My VMX does not need an artillery hold , so that is nice. Power-wise they are close , but my VMX shoots at higher FPS.
Every now & then I see a VMX in .177 or .22, but like mentioned, the .20's are harder to find.
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Just out of curiosity, how do these compare to the 95? Similar power plant, or are there differences? I got a 95 in .22 cal on a clearance sale, and kinda like it- even though it might be TOO powerful and is a little harsh. Makes me wonder what else I’m missing out on from Hatsan.
I'm assuming you are referring to the Hatsan Mod95 and not the Weihrauch HW95. The Mod95 series is rated to be the same power as the Edge/Striker/VMX series, just a different configuration rifle. The compression tubes are the same diameter and they use the same piston seal, but the springs and pistons are not the same.
Mod95 improvements (IMO over the Edge series) include the SAS shock absorbing system, the Quattro trigger, and a fairly nice piece of Turkish Walnut stock (usually). The wood stock on the old Striker series was quite nice also, but I believe it was stained Beach. The Mod95 is slightly larger and heavier, but not by much.
These internal and external changes make the Mod95 a generally BETTER rifle, unless size and weight are critical criteria.
A properly tuned & lubed Mod95 coil spring shoots just as smooth and with the same power as the Vortex air spring version. Shot cycle should be a solid THUMP with no hint of spring vibration or twang. If a Mod95 has a harsh (hard piston slam) shot cycle, it either means the piston seal is bad* or the Vortex air spring pressure is too high.
If your Mod95 was a refurb, there is a good chance it could use a little tune-up work and maybe a new piston seal. Hatsans "refurbish" procedure is a quick & basic visual inspection followed by a quick functional test of a few shots over a chronograph. If the rifle doesn't show any GROSS physical or functional defects, it goes out to the "refurb" pile. I don't know how thoroughly they "repair" really defective/damaged rifles, but I suspect it's either a quick fix or off to the scrap parts bin.
* On refurbs the piston seals may be worn or abuse damaged; on new rifles sometimes a new seal gets nicked/damaged during factory assembly.
All of the refurbished Mod95s I've received needed some additional work before they could perform up to their potential. I've never purchased a new Mod95, but have had some less that perfect piston seals on other "new" Hatsan springers.
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I am not sure which #95 you have. Is it spring, gas , QE ?? You really need to compare a standard spring 95 to a standard VMX.
This^^^. I remember your post in the German Gate about Hatsan 95 vs HW95. I got slammed for suggesting having your Model 95 tuned if it was a springer and still do, said by someone who owns (my Webley Tomahawks are just dressed up Model 95 springers) both rifles. Clip a couple coils, better spring guide, trigger tweaked and take it from an 18+ fpe gun to 15, maybe 16 fpe rifle and you'd have a real nice, smooth shooting rifle.
The VMX rifles are Hatsan built, have been since 2006, but Hatsan never built a .20 caliber with their name on it. The VMX is the same rifle as the Hatsan Striker/Edge/1000 series rifles, the only differences being cosmetic ones in the stocks and sights. mikeyb already spelled out the differences between them action and trigger wise and yes, the Striker stocks are Beech, not Walnut. While the triggers will never be anywhere as good as the Quattro, they're easy to work on (the whole rifle is) and for a .25 cent screw and a little time polishing and a little lube can be made better and make very good hunting rifles. All the ones I had would shoot under inch groups at 30 yards and my VMX rifles will shoot under a half inch if I do my part.
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Thanks for the info, guys. Yes, I meant a Hatsan 95 and with the standard spring. And for some reason, I really enjoy shooting it with the open sights. I think it’s my most enjoyable air rifle to use. And although it isn’t exceptionally accurate with any of the pellets I’ve tried so far, it hasn’t been bad with any of them, either. I will say, though, that the shot cycle seems noticeably more calm when firing 11.75 grain GTO’s. They also rocket out at 900-910 FPS, though- probably a little too hot since you can see some spiraling when shooting out past ~35 yards and using a scope. Although they’re still reasonably accurate...
I just finally got that stubborn retainer screw out the other day and got this thing apart. Man, that’s a long spring! I was thinking of just removing the ~1/8” spacer on the guide that sits behind the thrust washer and seeing how much that might calm it down in conjunction with either the JM seal I just received or the Vortek seal that’s scheduled to arrive tomorrow and obviously a little grease/moly.
If I hadn’t been able to get this thing apart, I was seriously planning on sending it to John in PA for a tune. Something about it is just pleasurable to shoot. Makes me wish I could try one of these VMX .20 gals you guys are fans of. Never had a .20, but always thought they were interesting. And this 95 being my first .22 and being so much fun has me even more curious.
Also, if you guys have any more tips/tricks/thoughts/suggestions on this 95 or similat Hatsans, I’m enjoying reading about it all.
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Thanks for the info, guys. Yes, I meant a Hatsan 95 and with the standard spring. And for some reason, I really enjoy shooting it with the open sights. I think it’s my most enjoyable air rifle to use. And although it isn’t exceptionally accurate with any of the pellets I’ve tried so far, it hasn’t been bad with any of them, either. I will say, though, that the shot cycle seems noticeably more calm when firing 11.75 grain GTO’s. They also rocket out at 900-910 FPS, though- probably a little too hot since you can see some spiraling when shooting out past ~35 yards and using a scope. Although they’re still reasonably accurate...
I just finally got that stubborn retainer screw out the other day and got this thing apart. Man, that’s a long spring! I was thinking of just removing the ~1/8” spacer on the guide that sits behind the thrust washer and seeing how much that might calm it down in conjunction with either the JM seal I just received or the Vortek seal that’s scheduled to arrive tomorrow and obviously a little grease/moly.
If I hadn’t been able to get this thing apart, I was seriously planning on sending it to John in PA for a tune. Something about it is just pleasurable to shoot. Makes me wish I could try one of these VMX .20 gals you guys are fans of. Never had a .20, but always thought they were interesting. And this 95 being my first .22 and being so much fun has me even more curious.
Also, if you guys have any more tips/tricks/thoughts/suggestions on this 95 or similat Hatsans, I’m enjoying reading about it all.
Start a new thread with everything you're doing to it, pellets you've tried and whatever else comes to mind. You'll get plenty of ideas and help :)
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Ugh. I guess this VMX madness was going on while I was on hiatus from airgunning or I’d surely have a half dozen in the collection! Argh.
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Sorry you missed the sale of the VMX , in .20. You may run across a used one.
Their sales fluctuated at times. There was a scramble for those, then you could not find any, then a few more appeared, then you couldn't find one, etc., etc. I have a stable full of Sheridans but always thought of owning a TWANGER in .20. Only ones I saw were expensive German made , til the VMX appeared. A lot of them sold for $199, then they seemed hard to find for awhile. I found one at $140 , last one they had, & I thought I might get the sole survivor. Several months later, more were for sale & as low as $99 ! It doesn't matter, because I feel like mine was worth what I paid for it.
You will hear complaints about not having many different choices of pellets in .20, & having to order the ammo. There are not many choices, but there are some fine pellets out of the few that are offered, & it seems like everyone finds the right pellet. Many of us have to order all our pellets anyway, since local stores only stock the cheapest, & worst quality. I order pellets for every caliber that own to get better quality ammo.
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Steve, I have a lifetime supply of .20! Hoarded when Crosman discontinued. Big stash of the Webley domes. Feared I would run out of ammo for my AZ Rapid.
Never seen a VMX for sale. With two JSB options I’d think you’d be ok. Found both JSB to be better than the H&N through the R1.
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The JSB Heavy shoots the best from mine.
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Only pellets mine don't shoot well are the Benji's. They do shoot, but the H&N, JSB and Polymags shoot better.
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In most Sheridans I have owned, the Benji did shoot pretty accurately, but not as good as JSB’s
The Benji has slightly more penetration, though.
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I should have added that the Benjamin/Sheridan pellets do not shoot very accurately from my VMX. The are" acceptable " in my Sheridans , but I think the VMX has too much power for them to be accurate.
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I finally made some minor adjustments to my VMX, yesterday. I had put a nicer, new scope on it awhile back, but the elevation adjustment bottomed out before I could zero the scope. It was shooting about 1 1/2" low at 25 yards, & I was just remembering to compensate for that . It didn't take 10 shots before it was producing acceptable accuracy ! With the coyotes sneaking around here, I didn't want to take a chance & miss a shot , due to my forgetfulness. They come around & try to attack the calves after they are born, & it is about time for several cows to give birth.
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Went back to the start of this thread and actually kind of surprised more owners haven't chimed in knowing there's more than just myself and the 2 others who've posted that bought VMX .20's during that sell-off. Also admit to a bit of jealousy that you can shoot as mine are sitting idle until the shoulder heals and I can finally shoot again...lol.
I may not have a lifetime supply but I've slowly doing inventory on the pellet stash to find I have give or take 7500 in 8 different kinds just in .20 so I should be set for a bit when I can:
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I bought one during the sell off. I'm one of those guys that can't leave well enough alone. I was into chopping barrels at the time and making carbines for woods rides and such. I liked the drab green stock of the VMX an knew I wanted that on the build.
Another member didn't get in on the sale and wanted one. I also found a stockpile of the Striker 1000 at my local pawn shop and bought a couple at $50.
I put the VMX action in the Striker stock and sold it to the other member.
I then chopped the barrel of the Striker and put it in the drab green VMX stock. This thing looks like it came as an accessory on my Honda Rancher atv. It's a great grab and go utility gun.
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Hey Steve, I think you have more pellets than I do ! NOT FAIR !!
I noticed last week that my supply of JSB Diabolo 13.73 are getting low. Those are what I usually shoot is all my Sheridans. I shoot the Heavy's in the VMX. The heavier pellet seems to calm it's " temper " down a little , making it have less twang , a slower speed, & thus shoot more accurately. I am not as good a shot as I used to be, though. I have weak shoulders , especially my right shoulder, so I try to not shoot it over about 20 times. It is hard to cock & the recoil on my right should will make it start to hurt. It is a little sore this morning. I fell off my bike about 15 years ago & fully dislocated that shoulder.
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The Air Venturi Tune-in-a-Tube would help with the twang and not require any more than taking the action out of the stock and getting some on the spring through the cocking slot. As for the shoulder, I'll find out in a couple months how completely tearing the bicep muscle is going to mess with my shooting...lol.
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So.......
The early versions had a two piece linkage. later versions have a single piece?
I wonder if I were to go to Hatsan and buy a new EDGE linkage if that would fit?
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So.......
The early versions had a two piece linkage. later versions have a single piece?
I wonder if I were to go to Hatsan and buy a new EDGE linkage if that would fit?
Correct. All 3 of mine are the older version 2 piece cocking arms. The older versions also have about a 1/4" longer piston in them, which I got to find out doing the Vortex gas ram conversion on one. Ended up having to also use the piston from the donor gun to get the gas ram to fit. Other thing is the barrel blocks are different. You can see the difference in the below pic. The 1000X on the left was the donor gun I swiped the gas ram out of. You'll have to figure out a way around that to make one work.
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I then chopped the barrel of the Striker and put it in the drab green VMX stock.
That looks like it might be a bugra to cock. Is it?
I bet with that short barrel you got rid of any hold-sensitivity it may have had.
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I then chopped the barrel of the Striker and put it in the drab green VMX stock.
That looks like it might be a bugra to cock. Is it?
I bet with that short barrel you got rid of any hold-sensitivity it may have had.
It's not too bad Randy... I can't remember the exact details but I detuned it by clipping a couple coils off of the spring.. It's probably one of those guns I will keep when I start lightening the load. Like I said, it's like an accessory for the Rancher.
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I also had to cut out the cocking slot in the VMX stock so the Striker linkage would function. The linkage on the VMX was a two part and the Striker linkage was one.
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I was lucky. My Striker stock fit perfectly. Sure made it a much better looking rifle.
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I was lucky. My Striker stock fit perfectly. Sure made it a much better looking rifle.
Steve that looks great. You know how I like wood stocks. I have two Edge rifles ( .177 & .22) absolutely love the way a Striker stock feels and looks.
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Had them on both my Edge Vortex .22 and Webley Spector .177 although the one on the Spector was just a bit modified. So far, their new owners have no complaints. The Striker stock I refinished I also now have back. Guy that bought it liked it but no pellets local bothered him so I kept my word and bought the rifle back.
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I live in a rural area & the only pellets locally, are Daisy in .177 & 22. So, it doesn’t bother me a bit to order pellets.
Years ago, I sold a nice Silver Streak to a single woman who was homesteading on an island off Washington. About once per year or so, she asks me to mail pellets to her. She doesn’t worry about finding local pellets either.
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Hi fellow VMX owners!
I do love my VMX .22 it’s a UK version as I’m in Scotland and I’ve modified it quite a bit now.
Things a tack driver nowadays!
Good to see there’s a following here, if anyone’s got a .20 barrel going spare I might be interested haha!
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Thanks for your reply from Scotland. Have you ever tested your VMX with a chronograph ? I would like to see the results.
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Hi fellow VMX owners!
I do love my VMX .22 it’s a UK version as I’m in Scotland and I’ve modified it quite a bit now.
Things a tack driver nowadays!
Good to see there’s a following here, if anyone’s got a .20 barrel going spare I might be interested haha!
There's a small following, unfortunately they're no longer available here in the US. The few retailers that did sell them had a fire sale a couple years back, sold their remaining stock of rifles dirt cheap and how I got all 3 of my VMX's and the 4 Tomahawks you see in my sig.
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Thanks for your reply from Scotland. Have you ever tested your VMX with a chronograph ? I would like to see the results.
I have chrono’d many a time, at the moment I’ve set it to 582 fps average over 10 shots with h+n ftt 14.7 grain.
The standard deviation is around 3 fps at the moment, max deviation was 9 fps so pretty decent after fettling.
The first time I crammed the titan Xs spring in the action it was a bit hot for over here so had to take 2 coils off the end and re finish..
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Mine is original & is a .20 cal. Using 14.3 g pellets, it clocks at 720 FPS. I use it to keep coyotes out of the pasture.
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16.5 ft lbs with a .20 caliber, must fly pretty flat with that power.
My .22 drops an extra 21 inches at 100 yards but for shorter range shooting it’s pretty spot on.
According to ChairGun your .20 and my .22 retain close to the same velocity, energy levels and time taken out to 100 yards...But the .20 hits 2 ft lbs harder in the end and flys flatter.
Must be a good hunting caliber
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Dead coyotes don’t like it.
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Are theses the guns originally marketed as the Webley Value Max?
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Yes, Valuemax = VMX .
They were offered in .177 , .20 , & .22.
I love Sheridan Streaks, which are .20 , so I have plenty of ammo & wanted a VMX in that cal.
I do use JSB Heavy pellets, 15.89g , for the coyotes. If I remember correctly, they shoot at about 675 FPS & hit hard !