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Airguns by Make and Model => Diana Airguns => Topic started by: Shoot Straight on August 19, 2011, 05:00:37 PM
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I'm seriously thinking of buying a RWS 34P Striker combo. But before I do want to know what is a better deal, THE RWS 34P or the Gamo CFX.
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Clearly the 34P....get a T06 version 8 land barrel
Better trigger by miles, better barrel, better fit and finish.
If you get the new Panther and do not like the black stock I will trade you a T06 Classic wood stock.
The combo at Pyramid I think now has the Leapers 3-9x32AO
Gamo is a a couple steps down from a Diana
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Thank you for your input.
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without a doubt get the 34 :)
Jeff
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Not even close. Get the 34 and don't look back. Better quality, better trigger, better resale.........
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The rws without a doubt! Get the 34.
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I have a RWS 34P (Older model with the T-05 trigger, which btw breaks crisp after some cleaning up, lubing and putting about 400-500 pellets through it) with a one-piece Diana mount and a RWS 3-9x40 AO scope. I can shoot the bottom of a coke can from 50 -60 yards over and over again while standing. The RWS shoots CP 7.9gr (Boxed) and the RWS Superpoint work pretty decent as well.
I have a GAMO once but I didnt like it so I traded it for a RWS 34P and I have never looked back.
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I would say the 34, as well. First, the current (and older) CFX needs a new trigger. Add about $30. Second, while the CFX is about the best Gamo going (and accurate, too), the design is limited as to what you can do with it. You can swap springs and full tune it (even nitro piston it), but the gun's not the easiest to work on. There's a big O-ring on the rotating transfer port that isn't easy to get back into place when re-assembling and the little plastic lever that opens/closes it can wear over time. This allows the breech body to set back slightly, losing a bit of pressure. And no Vortek kits, either. Don't get me wrong. I've had two CFX's and they are very nice guns. But not as user-friendly as the 34. And, when it comes to ease of loading, the 34 wins, hands down. Not easy to get that pellet into the breech and you have to be careful of short-seating and clipping the skirts.
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It's a shame more folks didn't get to use the CF series of gamos.
They definately are one of the most accurate AGs you can buy for under $300.00, especially against underlevers.
They aren't the fastest, but at 750-850 fps, and really mild movement...they are deadly sweet.
The trigger is an easy fix, with the GRT triggers...But that goes with ALOT of the offerings in this price range.
There is beauty in the loading breech. It's safe. No anti-beartrapping issues. The new model loading breech is actually better to load (pellet flipping). To be honest tho, you practice with it and you'll be able to load it easily. Steer clear of the .22 version tho...it's not worth it.
If I wanted a ,177 easy shooter, totally safe, with deadly accuracy for targetting or rabbits out to 50 yards, I wouldn't turn my nose up at a CFX. Especially if you can find an older one. I still have one in .177 & it's taken more than it's share...so I won't let it go...for sure. Same goes for a Shadow 1000, (referred to as the "S1K"), a more powerful break-barrel, which would be a closer comparison to the 34P. They are another Gamo model that are well documented as an air rifle that tune up real nice. Good Luck to You!
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Here's a deal that I would consider, if I were looking for a RWS34.
Airgun Depot Refurbished...It's the wood stocked 34 Meisterschutze Pro with 3-9x40 AO scope $179.99:
http://www.airgundepot.com/r-rws-34-2166174r.html (http://www.airgundepot.com/r-rws-34-2166174r.html)
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Don't go for the refurbs.....they will be T05 triggers
You will be much happier with the T06 Combo....plus the RWS scope is NOT a mil dot. I actually do not use the one I have and instead have a 3-9x32AO Leapers mounted
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I have bought 2 Refurbs from AGD and can't complain about either one of them, as far as the quality of refurbishment. I have a Diana 52 that I bought refurb. and the AG was spotless when I received it. To be honest, that's the only way I would have gotten one. I liked it so well, that I sold my M48 to a buddy, and kept this one. I'm sure others can chime in about AGD / Airgunsdaily.com Diana Refurbs.
Are you sure that this exact model would not be a TO6? This is not the plastic model Tom.
The TO5 is a good trigger. Heck,there are a lot of us here that will say that the TO5 trigger is a good one for target play and a good trigger for the field. I'm used to the TO5, I like it, and that is half the battle.
The scope most likely will be the same scope that is in the 34P Striker Combo, and Straight Shooter may be perfectly happy with it. For the savings, you can re-scope it after a while.
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I have the CFX in .22 and a 34 in .177. While the Gamo is a little hard to load, I got the .22 just because of that. Bigger pellet, easier to load. The 34 is a great gun, but I find the CFX much easier to shoot and it is extremely accurate while the 34 take a while to shoot well. In my case the CFX wins. By the way, the CFX has the GRT4 trigger installed.
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The Panther Version does come in T06 but no more full length barrel Pros in wood
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Congrats on your CFX. They are a sweet shooter. I'm sure you're happy with the new GRT. Have you filled the stock yet? You won't be disappointed.
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Filled stock with styrofoam packing "peanuts". Every little bit helps. I won't make anymore changes untill the spring breaks, them I'm thinking Theoben gas ram.
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It's a shame more folks didn't get to use the CF series of gamos.
They definately are one of the most accurate AGs you can buy for under $300.00, especially against underlevers.
They aren't the fastest, but at 750-850 fps, and really mild movement...they are deadly sweet.
The trigger is an easy fix, with the GRT triggers...But that goes with ALOT of the offerings in this price range.
There is beauty in the loading breech. It's safe. No anti-beartrapping issues. The new model loading breech is actually better to load (pellet flipping). To be honest tho, you practice with it and you'll be able to load it easily. Steer clear of the .22 version tho...it's not worth it.
If I wanted a ,177 easy shooter, totally safe, with deadly accuracy for targetting or rabbits out to 50 yards, I wouldn't turn my nose up at a CFX. Especially if you can find an older one. I still have one in .177 & it's taken more than it's share...so I won't let it go...for sure. Same goes for a Shadow 1000, (referred to as the "S1K"), a more powerful break-barrel, which would be a closer comparison to the 34P. They are another Gamo model that are well documented as an air rifle that tune up real nice. Good Luck to You!
I have 2 older versions of the .22 cal. CFX that I upgraded with Maccari seals and Theoben gas rams. They're both shooting 14.3 CPHP pellets at 750 fps with accuracy and authority, even though they are stamped 1000 fps with PBA and 750 with (11.0 grain) lead pellets. I'm getting 750 fps with 14.3 grain lead pellets, which is substantially faster than it was rated at with the pellet they used.
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for anyone saying the cfx is more accurate heres why flies shouldn't land on my 30yard target when i have the 34 out
.22 rws 34 @30yards
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LongIslandArcher,
Those are very impressive numbers in you .22. Combined with their inherent accuracy, you've got a real nice package there, for sure!
I hope you and yours are safe and dry Bud!
Mike
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for anyone saying the cfx is more accurate heres why flies shouldn't land on my 30yard target when i have the 34 out
.22 rws 34 @30yards
CFX .177: Ya don't know how good she was to us, son,,, ya just don't know.
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for anyone saying the cfx is more accurate heres why flies shouldn't land on my 30yard target when i have the 34 out
.22 rws 34 @30yards
CFX .177: Ya don't know how good she was to us, son,,, ya just don't know.
well then have you ever shot flies at 30 yards with a cfx? and if so pix plz.
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Used to.... But I seem to have misplaced my 30 yard Fly Leash!
;D
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I find it amusing that people think they have to have the latest and greatest of everything coming down the pike. For me I find that old is good (enough). It was good enough for my grand dad and dad and by gosh it is good enough for me. T05 vs T06 triggers? Who among us will really know the difference? High fidelity stereo or surround sound? I'm deaf enough I won't know the difference. I will tell you I am sticking to iron sights and for me the accuracy I get is just dandy. My eyesight isn't what it use to be but it is good enough to get the job done. 3 shots under a dime? 3 under a quarter works for me. Am I a nut or what? I'm just sayin'.
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You're not nutz, just honest, LOL! Nothing wrong with old guns. However, just as with new guns, some of the old ones weren't so hot and Great Grandad would have been more than happy to trade ya. I have old guns going back almost a hundred years. Thing about guns is, if they are kept in good condition (BIG IF), they usually are good to go. And older-style accessories, like peep sights and fixed power scopes can work surprisingly well, too. Way overlooked these days, especially the scopes since everyone wants one now that tells you the range and lights up inside like a carnival.
Bottom line on 34 VS CFX - If you can find a good, used older CFX (steel trigger that easily takes Charlie's drop in) for about $100 - $125, snap it up. Over $175 (unless it's a tuned Royal woodstocked gun, etc), stick with the 34. That puts you within range of a new 34. Either gun will do most anything you ask of it.
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Red you sure got that right....they do 4 changes to a new product and 3 of them are cost cuts...that do nothing for the customer. I would clearly take the 34 over the CFX the Diana trigger(T05) is leaps and bound ahead of the Gamo trigger even after it has a aftermarket blade installed. The T06 is even more refined.
Scrape up the pennies and get the RWS....besides the older CFX are becoming scarcer and scarcer and if you want it in 22 even more so
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Tom, actually the steel CFX .177 is becoming the scarcer of the two, it worked out well for GAMO. The .22 was a bit slower than was thought it would be. I was one of the many, who tried and returned the CFX in .22. With the original "aftermarket" triggers, they (CFX .177), became a formadable shooter against High Priced F.T. Airguns. That accuracy and power balance made them very desirable as a cost effective F.T. alternate. A CFX .177 was used by a very good national shooter, and he placed in the National event (I think N.Y. but don't hold me to it), using a CFX. Of course, that doesn't mean that one may jump up in the used sale tomorrow ;)
Edit: I still kick myself when I passed on getting one of the last Royale in wood.
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how many fps is the 34 in a 22,and how is the consisten shoot place ment at 35 yards?
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mine shot 14.3 cphp at 660 fps avg. very mild. but it was my number 1 squirrel hunter. i used a hawke sr6 scope and had it zeroed at 30 yards (nickel sized groups at the zero). the farthest i have taken game with it is rabbit at 53 yards (rangefinder) with a shot under the eye. POA was the top oh the head. and it hit 1/4 inch under the eye. I love that gun but the cfx is no slouch.
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that sounds pretty good,been thinking about another ag though i am ag poor
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Mike, I had the Royal and, to be frank, the stock was nothing to write home about. Same quality as the 440. It was in .22 and I sold it, then found out that Charlie had done a full blown tune to it. Had I known ..........but that's another story. Charlie's trigger, BTW, was pretty darned sweet in that gun. The CFX owes much of it's accuracy to having been designed by BSA in the first place. As I said, above, they can be about as good as a 34 for a bit less money. Certainly no flies on them, no pun intended.
Regarding the CFX in FT competition, you might be alluding to the CFX that @@$$$&^( worked up for Jock Elliot. I believe Jock one a smallish match with it, but did prove that a CFX can, indeed, run with the big boys. Almost bought that gun from him a while back. There are no under levers as nice anywhere near the price.
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That's one in the same Red...Jock Elliot was who I was referring to. Thanks for clearing the "Fog". And that was not a modified gun; to stay within the rules. These truths are just testimony to some to the great things about the CFX, that has gotten lost over time.
Yeah, mine has the GRT trigger. It's better than my modified trigger was. Took a few years for me to play with mine, (S1Ks), but then the better trigger came along, and I finally bit the bullet and got one...no regrets.
Heck, I'll not getting rid of mine...that's for sure! ;)
Edit: I'm gonna have to take a look back to see about finding write-ups on Jock, and the CFX, in FT matches.
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Mike, I had the Royal and, to be frank, the stock was nothing to write home about. Same quality as the 440. It was in .22 and I sold it, then found out that Charlie had done a full blown tune to it. Had I known ..........but that's another story. Charlie's trigger, BTW, was pretty darned sweet in that gun. The CFX owes much of it's accuracy to having been designed by BSA in the first place. As I said, above, they can be about as good as a 34 for a bit less money. Certainly no flies on them, no pun intended.
Regarding the CFX in FT competition, you might be alluding to the CFX that @@$$$&^( worked up for Jock Elliot. I believe Jock one a smallish match with it, but did prove that a CFX can, indeed, run with the big boys. Almost bought that gun from him a while back. There are no under levers as nice anywhere near the price.
Red, I think I might have that one. I picked it up last year on the Yellow. Here's a little info on it:
"Dated 2004. The rifle has been fully Turbo Tuned with custom trigger, a Tarantula spring, new Maccari seal, Custom Delrin Guide"
It's got the polished loading port too. Not exactly sure if it's the one since I don't know too much about its history.
-GB