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Airguns by Make and Model => Air Arms Airguns => Topic started by: Harves on February 08, 2020, 01:25:00 PM
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I am going to take my TX 200 apart , clean , polish & re lube. I have ARH black tar & would like use silicon spring oil on the piston. Will this work as I don’t have any moly?
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I don't believe silicon oil is recommended for metal to metal lubrication.
Your local Honda shop may have M-77 assembly lube in stock if you don't want to wait for an online order.
https://www.amazon.com/Honda-HN-08798-9010-MOLY-PASTE/dp/B0083BWUYW (https://www.amazon.com/Honda-HN-08798-9010-MOLY-PASTE/dp/B0083BWUYW)
Good luck!
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If you don't have 60%+ moly paste .... You can use typical Moly Wheel bearing grease sparingly. NO SILICONE on the seal or anywhere inside a spring gun actually.
If NOT fitting a tighter spring Guide while inside, TAR on spring is a last resort being it is draggy and gun will have a larger ES and be temp sensitive as well.
Honestly ... get the correct lubes and parts required before going in. DO IT RIGHT ... ONCE !
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You've got a high end rifle there. Don't skimp on lubricants. I don't use black tar on my TX 200 - don't need it. I did polish both ends of my spring so it could turn freely. I lubricated the spring ends and put a bit of grease along the spring. You could use a light coat of black tar there. You could put your silicone lube on the lip of the piston seal and perhaps on the nylon ring around the piston base as well. Use caution to place no side pressure on the front stock bracket. They break very easily. Don't forget to lubricate the cocking slot and a drop of oil on the cocking linkage pivot is always a good idea.
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Thanks for the advice, I will order moly paste from Pryamid Air. Frankly it is a bit confusing what to use as there are many post advocating different greases & lubes.
My goal is to replace factory lubes & polish spring ends as the rifle is very smooth darning the firing cycle.
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Glad to see Scott is back online.
When he tuned my TX (I think it was six years ago) he put a DELRIN spring follower in and used some of his secret sauce.
He did his magic on the trigger.
He normally makes his followers a little tight to help eliminate spring twang but I asked him to not slow the speed down (I know, I know...the TX likes 12fpe better).
It was shooting at 915fps with 4.52mm 8.64 grain H&N FTT.
I have been shooting bi-monthly FT matches (switching off with the Marauder) ever since.
At least one tin of pellets every other month.
So somewhere around 6000 pellets since his tune.
I bought a new scope for the TX so I thought I should check the speed for the new FT data...
Not bad, IMHo:
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is this ok to use on spring and top hat and guide
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is this ok to use on spring and top hat and guide
yes tho sparingly less is more ;)
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thank you scott
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What Scott said is what I learned too. Little is what I call a dab. I use a q-tip and it usually leaves too much. You want to burnish (rub) it in to the metal. How you apply that little bit of paste is important. Rub it into the part you want to have lubricated for long lasting effects. For a compression tube that means using a rag wrapped dowel or something similar that can burnish the moly into the metal.
More than likely you will rub off more than you rub in. If it is a compression tube I'm molying, I usually do it a coupla times at least before reassembly.
Also, moly is a mess to work with so don't do it on anything your wife can strangle you with later.
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thanks for the info i took out the metal top hat and spring guide in this tx 200 mark 3 and the spring ordered a .125 liter spring from james at arh i use this moly on the gudies and top hat and coat the metal spring one one that i removed had a thin layer or greas all over the coils
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Get some Krytox 226 grease way better than any tar or molypaste......
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Get some Krytox 226 grease way better than any tar or molypaste......
Been there & tried that ... yes it works very well, but the long term and INCOMPATIBILITY with other petro lubes makes it NOT the right lube to use in my customers guns or my own for that matter.
To each his own however .... Some how MARK YOUR GUNS that have these lubes in them .... our conventional solvents won't disolve or remove it once applied along with unless original Petro lubes are 100% removed the Krytox lubes won't attach themself to the metals.
Missed fact by many :P
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Get some Krytox 226 grease way better than any tar or molypaste......
Been there & tried that ... yes it works very well, but the long term and INCOMPATIBILITY with other petro lubes makes it NOT the right lube to use in my customers guns or my own for that matter.
+1👍
I have been using Vortek Super Moly 70+ in all of my OEM piston rifles.
Steve
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Krytox is good for oring piston seal conversions. But for everyday springer lubing, moly is my preference hands down.
Truthfully my guns run almost dry. Just enough moly to lube the seal minimally, and enough to lube the rear of the piston skirt where all the cocking force is. The less lube, the less temp sensitivity.
I also rough up the seal surface lightly with emory cloth so that it isn't squeaky smooth, and so it will hold lube. Otherwise it acts as a squeegee. This is part of the process anyway if you properly size a seal.
Be advised that the moly wheel bearing grease is really no better than any other grease, as its almost always AT MOST only 3% moly. And it's usually a cheaper grade base grease. Moly is not recommended by most manufacturers in wheel bearing applications, so they keep the moly percent as low as possible to make it more universal.
CV joint grease can have a higher moly content and usually does, but not always guaranteed.
The moly from ARH is what id recommend. It's been proven for many many years and is reasonable money. Id recommend a tub of his clear tar as well for lubing the sliding compression chamber and pivot points. Although any decent grease will work fine here.
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Lucas assembly lube...burnished in
It is a synthetic lube with Molly
Been using it for years on high performance motors and air guns
But above is my opinion...if I had to listen to an expert (I do)..
Listen to MOTORHEAD
Darren
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What is the main reason for using the Lucas Assembly Lube? The extra slipperynes over normal moly?
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Cheap and easy to get