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Airguns by Make and Model => Feinwerkbau => Topic started by: Alain on February 04, 2020, 07:53:30 PM
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Hey
A Feinwerkbau FWB 300S Match at pawn shop. appears to shoot fine. Is it worth getting?
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I would get it, but first need to calculate if it needs anything replaced and how much that would cost. also depends on the asking price from the Pawn shop.
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Asking $350 and it cocks and shoots. Bringing in a chrono and bore scope to get fps and try and have a look into it.
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It's a pawn shop. If they're asking $350, they didn't give more than $100-150 for it. I'd shoot them a low ball offer, with crisp new $$ bills in my hand while making the offer. They're not air gunners, or they wouldn't be selling it, they'd be keepin' it.
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LOL I was going to go in and poke a few holes and find a few things 'wrong' and offer $200 and see what happens.
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Under $450.00 is a steal. If you don’t want it call me.
Mitch
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It's a pawn shop. If they're asking $350, they didn't give more than $100-150 for it. I'd shoot them a low ball offer, with crisp new $$ bills in my hand while making the offer. They're not air gunners, or they wouldn't be selling it, they'd be keepin' it.
Never heard of a pawn shop doing anybody a favor’ probably gonna take those crispy bills and ask where the rest are’
I never pawned anything I will bust it into a hundred pieces for I do that’
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Asking $350 and it cocks and shoots. Bringing in a chrono and bore scope to get fps and try and have a look into it.
When you tested it for function did you use a pellet? Don't dry fire it.
Check the seals in the breech, If they are blue / green it has new seals, if white /ivory they are the originals.
If so make sure they aren't deteriorated (crumbling).
A FWB 300S needing seals is worth $350 all day long.
But if you can get it for $250 you did GOOD!
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$350 Canadian? I want to come up there and go pawn shopping.
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One plus on this find is it has the sights! Sights are not cheap and have to match the model. I do have a sweep Daisy FWB300S low mileage fresh built that I may let go? Has sights but on the edge to let go. These old warbirds are hard to beat and just keep on shooting.
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it is a 300 and not a 300S. Pellet does not leave the barrel when fired. While it appears to be whole, it has rust pits and was not treated well. They have been dry firing it every chance they get. I will go back in a few weeks and offer $150 for it. I don't have the time and have a dozen air rifles to work on.
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it is a 300 and not a 300S. Pellet does not leave the barrel when fired. While it appears to be whole, it has rust pits and was not treated well. They have been dry firing it every chance they get. I will go back in a few weeks and offer $150 for it. I don't have the time and have a dozen air rifles to work on.
Sorry, I'm late to the party, and although I have yet to own an FWB, I still try to follow these 300 series for my own knowledge.
I'd do exactly what you just said Alain. Offer $150. If the pellet isn't even leaving the barrel, what use is it to a (the average) buyer?
Someone please educate me......do the 300 series use a piston seal, or piston rings?
Also, what is the difference between a 300 and a 300S?
Alain, sorry if I've stepped on your thread. :D
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$350 Canadian? I want to come up there and go pawn shopping.
Yes do it! It is much bigger than Texas.... 8)
-Y
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it is a 300 and not a 300S. Pellet does not leave the barrel when fired. While it appears to be whole, it has rust pits and was not treated well. They have been dry firing it every chance they get. I will go back in a few weeks and offer $150 for it. I don't have the time and have a dozen air rifles to work on.
Sorry, I'm late to the party, and although I have yet to own an FWB, I still try to follow these 300 series for my own knowledge.
I'd do exactly what you just said Alain. Offer $150. If the pellet isn't even leaving the barrel, what use is it to a (the average) buyer?
Someone please educate me......do the 300 series use a piston seal, or piston rings?
Also, what is the difference between a 300 and a 300S?
Alain, sorry if I've stepped on your thread. :D
Piston RING .. as in one.
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Thanks Scott! :D
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Here you go on the FWB300/300S. MUCH on the net but this is a good GTA Thread.💀 As with other brands imported with other branding but all FWB guns.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151073.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151073.0)
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Great link there Fang!!
Thanks very much! :D
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it is a 300 and not a 300S. Pellet does not leave the barrel when fired. While it appears to be whole, it has rust pits and was not treated well. They have been dry firing it every chance they get. I will go back in a few weeks and offer $150 for it. I don't have the time and have a dozen air rifles to work on.
Sorry, I'm late to the party, and although I have yet to own an FWB, I still try to follow these 300 series for my own knowledge.
I'd do exactly what you just said Alain. Offer $150. If the pellet isn't even leaving the barrel, what use is it to a (the average) buyer?
Someone please educate me......do the 300 series use a piston seal, or piston rings?
Also, what is the difference between a 300 and a 300S?
Alain, sorry if I've stepped on your thread. :D
Here is a pic of the goods......
(https://i.imgur.com/bFLAFg8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2Jm69cD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f67cbNl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lo9hxg7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1Iq1VJy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4MzV78m.jpg)
Jason
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Great pics Jason as always.
Here is another link and some others can be seen on my forum of builds.
I've had some fine old Warbirds but I still favor the 300s. 😰
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/fwb-300s-4/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/fwb-300s-4/)
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Great pics! Thanks guys.
So the design is that the ring provides the compression, and the red or green seals provide the ultimate seal at the end of the piston stroke, plus acting as a bumper as well?
Sorry for my ignorance, Just trying to get my head around this design. ???
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Correct. The piston has a buffer in the end and really has nothing to do with the compression. More like a bumper.
Cast iron ring seals the sliding compression tube. Very short piston stroke. An impressive design and @ 6+- Fpe the gun and it's accuravy is unbelievable. I've take prey out to 30+ yards easy with placed shots. Turtle head neck shots at 35. Turtle head hit the water and the turtle never moved.
These guns have 1 of the best triggers that are super sweet. They are built like tanks.
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Good to know Fang, thanks.
If I can ever stop buying vintage Weihrauchs, I'll have to get myself an FWB.
Anyone see anything on my gunlist (https://i.postimg.cc/0jrzRT9r/Airgunlist-01-19-2020.jpg) that they might want to buy, LOL?
Weihrauchs are not for sale however, sorry.
:D
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The seal on the Jason's picture #4 and the last picture appears to made from molten sulfur or is in REALLY bad condition and is falling apart and plugging the barrel and maybe even the piston. After cleaning the barrel carefully, it still cannot shoot a pellet. They turned down the $150 offer so I will try another approach.
I was surprised how much the floating action moves and how much noise it makes when firing.
Al
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Walk away.... and give me their address / contact info.
;) ;D
Seriously... if you can get it for under $300 I think you did well.
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Fwiw the one I've been watching on eBay is well over 400$ now.
Actually it just passed 500
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It's a pawn shop. If they're asking $350, they didn't give more than $100-150 for it. I'd shoot them a low ball offer, with crisp new $$ bills in my hand while making the offer. They're not air gunners, or they wouldn't be selling it, they'd be keepin' it.
^ this is it.
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And please save it from the pawn shop before it becomes a pile of rust and fingerprints.
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Easy $300 in parts plus sights but pawn shops are not always steals. All depends on how much you want it.
As to the condition of the gun the buffer material was not as todays materials and over time the buffers, piston seals and breech seals of the old Warbirds gave up. Old brittle, burned or turned to as wax.
The dry firing has not helped the old gun. It's going to need a total rebuild. So even at $300 you will have be investing more money in the gun. The sights alone are parts that many of these gun lack and many are looking to buy them.
The gun Scopes good IMO But I can't use iron sites.
It only matters just how deep you want to go. I've spent far more than I intended on guns I wanted. Wants and needs at times are the same. Lol
Best of luck. 💀
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Heading back in the morning to try again. Funny thing is that the sights are in great condition compared to the rusting and worn blueing. I have 10 Springer's and 2 PCPs and one of my favorite Springer's is the FX200.
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The one I was watching is over 700 now.
https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/312971134414 (https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/312971134414)
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Hope you got it Al...
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Well, I now own ANOTHER German springer!
The FWB 300 is now in good hands. The seals are gone so I ordered new seals and the piston ring from FWB tonight.
I have a few honey do items on the list and then I will make tidy up the work area and get everything ready to take my time and take it apart and decide what to do next.
It needs a good cleaning and I think the rust spots may come off and it should be able to be touched up blued without a full strip. The stock looks like walnut and it will also need to be looked at. I think I can touch it up as well.
I should now be able to beat my son at 30 yard plinking. He always gets the best of me when he shoots the TX200. If he still does better after this, I may have to admit that it me and not the gun.
Al
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Glad you got it, hope it's everything you wanted. $$??
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Nice!
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Congrats!
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it is a 300 and not a 300S. Pellet does not leave the barrel when fired. While it appears to be whole, it has rust pits and was not treated well. They have been dry firing it every chance they get. I will go back in a few weeks and offer $150 for it. I don't have the time and have a dozen air rifles to work on.
Sorry, I'm late to the party, and although I have yet to own an FWB, I still try to follow these 300 series for my own knowledge.
I'd do exactly what you just said Alain. Offer $150. If the pellet isn't even leaving the barrel, what use is it to a (the average) buyer?
Someone please educate me......do the 300 series use a piston seal, or piston rings?
Also, what is the difference between a 300 and a 300S?
Alain, sorry if I've stepped on your thread. :D
I've never been inside a FWB300 but this is a pic of the piston and ring..........
(https://i.imgur.com/metHvOsh.jpg)
In my reading it seems that the automotive style metal piston ring is rather brittle and can be broken with careless removal/installation.
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Yes the ring is a cast and yes you can brake it. They are tough as wear goes. I would mic the ring vs your new one. If the measurements are really close I would not replace it.
The new cast ring will have to seat in. I use motor oil on it and less than a drop at that. Imo I do not over lube the piston. They shoot better with light light lube. Factory used the 30 non detergent motor oil.
The buffer being bad plus I would suspect the buffer is shot. The buffer being bad will cause a no go on the pellet.
I use the JM Artic 1 piece spring in all of them. Many say the double wire is smoother shooting but I have no issues with the Artic. I would replace the spring or springs while there esp if your going to shoot vs TX. LOL the artic spring should give you a bit more fps.
THE stock should refinish good. I would strip the stock bare and redo it.
Mine is in the shop for look over and still on the edge on selling it. Sad I did some shooting and the thing is still amazingly stupid accuracte. It's on hold for now. But I will reply to those who have asked about it soon.
Thank and enjoy‼️💀
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Forgot to mention look the serial # up and check to see if it is a 300. FWB as mentioned had transition guns where they used the 300 receiver and made 300S guns out of them. The serial # will tell all. Not always a 300 by the label. Still the 300 is a fine gun and is more rare than the 300S. Fewer made 300. Biggest difference is the trigger and a few cosmetics.
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Serial # ID Link. Others out there but this is one that should work for anyone.💀
https://www.co2air.de/thema/9155-feinwerkbau-herstellungszeitr%C3%A4ume/ (https://www.co2air.de/thema/9155-feinwerkbau-herstellungszeitr%C3%A4ume/)
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Hi
The serial number starts with 88 so it appears to be made in 1971. Holy cow that is old, older by a fair amount than any thing else I own.
The stock appears to be walnut, I would like to carefully strip it and refinish it to match the color.
Al
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Old WARBIRDS still shoot.
Suggestion:
Prior to tearing the gun down I soak the gun down good with BP Blaster and let it sit over night.
Esp the front pins and on them I mark them to go back in the hole they came out of. They can be stuck. I take a small brass hammer and tap on them after soaking down a while and then hit them again with PB. ONCE out clean the holes good prior to assemble. I do polish the pins prior to assemble and the rear pin.
Just my way but much more has to be done and all depends on what you find on the tear down. 💀
Best of luck.
The BP should help on rusted bluing but not always.
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Thanks
The last time I was at the shop when I was having a look at it and decided to purchase it, some kid was talking about getting it and putting a 'mega spring' in it and tricking it out for rabbits. I thought I could just let it go and forget about it. I didn't really NEED another air rifle but after reading more about it and seeing that all the parts are still available, I couldn't stop thinking about it being destroyed so I decided to purchase it. I went back and talked to the owner and we reached a price we both felt was fair. I spent about $70 on parts so far. I think it should be fun getting looking and working like it did back in the 70's. Maybe even beat my son with his TX200 that I purchased for him almost 20 years ago.
I took the stock off this evening and the covered over parts of the rifle is surprisingly clean for the age. I took fine steel wool to and cleaned of the rust spots and gave it a light coat of BP Blaster and wrapped it in an oily rag and will let it sit for a few days. It is amazing how well built the trigger assembly and 'undercarriage' is, a lot of man hours and machining went into making these guns and it appears that they were built to last. Hard to believe I have come full circle and back to springers again. This is the third air rifle I have purchased in as many months.
With everything off the stock, it is defiantly a dark wood and appears to be walnut. Not sure if it needs to be fully striped down to bare to make it look good again. I did use super fine steel wool to remove a little of the coating and it appears to be a shellac finish.
Al
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Hi
I am still refinishing my FWB 300 and I am in about $350 now. I was very lucky that the stock was walnut and wood was good but the finish was destroyed. I purchased new seals and bumper as well as a one piece spring from Jim M.
The stock is almost complete and the spring, bumper and breach seal have been installed. I had to grind, lap and polish the spring ends a little but it was a pleasure to work on the gun. I am getting 600fps with 9gr pellets.
Should I replace the piston ring with the new one?
I removed most of the tiny rust spots and re-blued the cocking leaver. I will be finishing the bluing when I get the time.
It is so easy to cock and shoot and now I need more .177" pellets.
Al
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I would not touch the Piston ring as it hardly ever wears out ... how is the accuracy with quality wadcutters?
Looks like You are doing GREAT!
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Great, thanks. I am still going to strip it down and refinish bluing it and will keep the ring as is.
Funny thing, I put the front and rear sights on did not touch the adjustments and put 4 old pellets from a mixed can, I think it was one hollow point and a few domed, through a hole the size of a nickle in a coke can at about 20 yards.
I am looking forward to trying it with a proper rest when the light is better.
Al
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Outstanding!
Get some RWS meisterklugens or R10's and they will put a grin on your face that nobody can slap off!
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Funny, I just had a look in the tin and there are 5 different types of pellets and weights from 7gr to 9gr and I am not sure what I shot. :-\
I think I have a springer that will beat my sons TX200!