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I just read a teaser for a Daystate Delta Wolf.
Whats the deal!? Anyone know what calibers it will be in or any details?
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I just read a teaser for a Daystate Delta Wolf.
Whats the deal!? Anyone know what calibers it will be in or any details?
I have all the details but not allowed to share a few of them. The gun is technological masterpiece in my opinion. I have not shot the gun yet but I was at dinner with Daystate last night where we got all the specs and the sneak peak at the gun. It has amazing features that will be announced in March and the gun should soon after be available.
It will come in .177, 22, 25 and 30 cal. Interchangeable calibers with pre set tunes for each caliber and user adjustable. It is an electronic gun.
The new magazine is a great idea which allows very quick magazine changes with a newly designed magazine which looks very promising. This gun is more powerful too.
There are two more features that we are not allowed to say as it is awaiting the show in Germany for official release. However, those two features are really awesome and I think really make this gun a big advancement in airgunning. I believe this gun is going to be a great seller in the high end pcp market.
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Ah! They missed the 357 boat then.
Well, I was getting excited but I guess I am still just going to have to wait on FX then.
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Could be wrong but I don't see 35 caliber pellet guns a huge hit. The ammo gets expensive and air usage goes up and they are not powerful enough for most states deer hunting regulations. For me, I don't know what I would shoot with a 35 caliber pellet gun that I could not just as easily take with a .30 caliber with cheaper ammo and less air usage. 35 cal bullet shooter is a different story at 300 fpe. Just my opinion.
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Ah! They missed the 357 boat then.
Well, I was getting excited but I guess I am still just going to have to wait on FX then.
I don't see them missing any boat.
357 is exciting in nowhere near as many countries as the small bore calibers. Build the stuff you know will sell in the markets you already have established, then grow. Daystate is not as big in the US as it is overseas.
Plus this: with the plethora of airbow options, I see those coming more front and center over large-bore PELLET guns (not slug guns).
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I agree with Nick about .35 cal pellet guns.... I have made a few, and I far prefer the .30 cal for my biggest Varmint caliber.... On the other hand, for big game, slug guns from .357 and up would be my choice there....
Bob
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Ah! They missed the 357 boat then.
Well, I was getting excited but I guess I am still just going to have to wait on FX then.
Daystate IS the boat.
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LMBO
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im really thinking its possible we see one of those 2 features not mentioned ... being semi auto ... seems everyone is going semi auto ... including custom one off makers have recently been planning their own systems ... AEA talking about a .338 semi auto coming soon i believe.
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Could be wrong but I don't see 35 caliber pellet guns a huge hit. and they are not powerful enough for most states deer hunting regulations.
Tennessee got cute when they opened up air gun hunting last year. They made the law that you need a 36 cal. to go for deer. That puts you mostly in the 45 / 50 region I guess.
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Maybe finally produce effective and strongly guns, with a big plenum and balanced valve...
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This gun will have plenty of power and easily change calibers. The two features not disclosed yet make it really unique and something that does not exist on the market. Can not wait to shoot this gun.
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Great news Nick! Can you tell us if it is made by Daystate or is it made by Ataman/Demyan like the Tsar?
Thank you,
Taso
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To my knowledge the gun is made by Daystate. This gun has some major investment behind hit which you will understand once you know the undisclosed features of the gun.
I can tell you I have plenty of guns and don't need another but I will at some point own this gun.
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Well I'm glad Daystate is making it. I really like the three electronic guns that I have.
I saw the pics of the Delta Wolf behind the "privacy glass" screen and it looks like a tactical bullpup. I prefer the classic layout and wood/laminate stocks.
I considered a Safari but I can't tell from the pics what the finish on the stock is. Plus, you had said in another thread that the ART barrels don't shoot slugs the best.
I'll play with my Airwolves.... for now. ;D
Taso
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Well I'm glad Daystate is making it. I really like the three electronic guns that I have.
I saw the pics of the Delta Wolf behind the "privacy glass" screen and it looks like a tactical bullpup. I prefer the classic layout and wood/laminate stocks.
I considered a Safari but I can't tell from the pics what the finish on the stock is. Plus, you had said in another thread that the ART barrels don't shoot slugs the best.
I'll play with my Airwolves.... for now. ;D
Taso
Only the 22 ART barrel we have not found good slugs. 25 and 30 shoot great
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I just read a teaser for a Daystate Delta Wolf.
Whats the deal!? Anyone know what calibers it will be in or any details?
I have all the details but not allowed to share a few of them. The gun is technological masterpiece in my opinion. I have not shot the gun yet but I was at dinner with Daystate last night where we got all the specs and the sneak peak at the gun. It has amazing features that will be announced in March and the gun should soon after be available.
It will come in .177, 22, 25 and 30 cal. Interchangeable calibers with pre set tunes for each caliber and user adjustable. It is an electronic gun.
The new magazine is a great idea which allows very quick magazine changes with a newly designed magazine which looks very promising. This gun is more powerful too.
There are two more features that we are not allowed to say as it is awaiting the show in Germany for official release. However, those two features are really awesome and I think really make this gun a big advancement in airgunning. I believe this gun is going to be a great seller in the high end pcp market.
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I'm so stoked! Been waiting for Daystate to do a major upgraded to their Pulsar and in this case a full out redesign of another bullpup!!
Now for those magazines clearly not high capacity but they clearly have deepened them to allow for longer and heavier slugs to be used with no issue.
It has been 4yrs since I last purchased a new air rifle for few good reasons but I'm 99% sure I will be putting my name on a list to get one of these. Always wanted a Daystate air rifle! God help me if they put the price beyond 3 grand mark!! LOL
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Well I'm glad Daystate is making it. I really like the three electronic guns that I have.
I saw the pics of the Delta Wolf behind the "privacy glass" screen and it looks like a tactical bullpup. I prefer the classic layout and wood/laminate stocks.
I considered a Safari but I can't tell from the pics what the finish on the stock is. Plus, you had said in another thread that the ART barrels don't shoot slugs the best.
I'll play with my Airwolves.... for now. ;D
Taso
Only the 22 ART barrel we have not found good slugs. 25 and 30 shoot great
Thank you for the clarification Nick!
Taso
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My wish list to have on Daystate Delta Wolf: ( So here you go Daystate and Air guns of Arizona and whom ever is helping producing this pup )
-Picatinny rail with 10-20 MOA, I like to repeat this PICATINNY RAILS 10-20 MOA!!!! lol
-Larger capacity magazine,
-iInterchangeable barrel that's simple and robust,
-Larger diameter shroud,
-Removable carbon fiber air bottle,
-Ambidextrous lever,
-NOT TO have the butt plate so far back to help keep bullpup short (unlike Pulsar which added 3" or more to length) Jiminy Crickets it is a bullpup right? haha
-Oh yeah external adjustable regulator with Daystate fully adjustable electric trigger system with 10 or more power settings saved for 4 different calibers along with mulitple ammo per caliber
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OH Yes forgot about this is a must to accommodate heavier and longer lead projectiles
-Plenum Volume: 60cc or more
- Magazines that will excepted longer ammo
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I have all the details but not allowed to share a few of them. The gun is technological masterpiece in my opinion. I have not shot the gun yet but I was at dinner with Daystate last night where we got all the specs and the sneak peak at the gun. It has amazing features that will be announced in March and the gun should soon after be available.
It will come in .177, 22, 25 and 30 cal. Interchangeable calibers with pre set tunes for each caliber and user adjustable. It is an electronic gun.
The new magazine is a great idea which allows very quick magazine changes with a newly designed magazine which looks very promising. This gun is more powerful too.
There are two more features that we are not allowed to say as it is awaiting the show in Germany for official release. However, those two features are really awesome and I think really make this gun a big advancement in airgunning. I believe this gun is going to be a great seller in the high end pcp market.
So Mr Nielsen is this true?
I heard and maybe all smoke but the Delta is suppose to have:
- Bluetooth
- built-in chronograph
- 150 foot pounds of energy
- Full Auto . ( don't really care for full auto maybe 2 shot burst but not full auto)
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I can not comment on further as to the features coming on this new gun. I was asked to keep some of the features a secret until Daystate decides to release those details so I have to honor that request.
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Ok thanks!
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Tomorrow is the big day. I wonder what this rifle will be like.
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Tomorrow?? I was thinking the 12th for some reason...
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Tomorrow, Yes.
bluetooth, Yes
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Great news Nick! Can you tell us if it is made by Daystate or is it made by Ataman/Demyan like the Tsar?
Thank you,
Taso
You do know of course, that it really doesn't matter as Daystate does not actually "Make" any of their guns now days. They contract out to vendors for all the parts and simply assemble them at Daystate. Who knows who the platora of contractors and outside vendors are.
Hope this doesn't anger you, but it is the way it is. Many, companies actually make their guns. Some, but very few actually make the barrels in house as well. But that is RARE!
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Nice 8)
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I agree with Nick about .35 cal pellet guns.... I have made a few, and I far prefer the .30 cal for my biggest Varmint caliber.... On the other hand, for big game, slug guns from .357 and up would be my choice there....
Bob
Here in Mi to hunt big game .35 or larger is one of the requirements besides having to be a pcp that's filled with an external air supply.
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Oh... I see germany shutting things down. End of the world is near.
Well cool. Does anyone know whom is doing the big announcement and when today?
I personly have not been this excited since getting my first edgun.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDiJHILp-Cw&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDiJHILp-Cw&feature=emb_logo)
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Not too bad looking .. tho seen prettier / more high tech looking pups other places. Not a fan of AR furniture tho.
Likely the electronics had to be improved upon due too having for several years now a Aftermarket manufacturer making Retrofit / replacement electronics Boards that offered more programmable features and power potential than any factory board they offered.
Now If or Not the factory board in this DF is "That" flexible and offers the type of power and self tuners settings we'll know soon enough ? Smart move by Daystate if they get this part right.
Mag capacity with the current trend for more shots on hand ... a disappointment IMO.
Price point if typical Daystate will be ... Ah, well ... steep & costly.
Good intro never the less and many will purchase just like every new wizz bang gun does that comes to market.
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Interesting tech that I hope trickles down to a classic style rifle. I'm not a fan of the tactical look.
Hopefully there is a lot of adjustability. That touchsceen didn't look too responsive. Maybe it was a pre production, mock up rifle or not turned on?
Maybe Red Wolf prices will come down or there will be some in the classifieds soon? ;D
Taso
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$3100.00 + starting is a bit steep
Lol
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$3100.00 + starting is a bit steep
Lol
Well, Daystate just sent a ton more people to buy FX Impacts.
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$3100.00 + starting is a bit steep
Lol
Well, Daystate just sent a ton more people to buy FX Impacts.
I agree Chad. As Mr. Scott brought up, that low mag capacity surely will push those that need it to the Sideshot FX mags.
Taso
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$3100.00 + starting is a bit steep
Lol
Well, Daystate just sent a ton more people to buy FX Impacts.
I agree Chad. As Mr. Scott brought up, that low mag capacity surely will push those that need it to the Sideshot FX mags.
Taso
But but but, you can hook two of them together and double the shot count! Then the battery goes dead or the board gets fried for some reason and there you are with air and nowhere to go. For $3100+ there will be only one bunch of people in that class.
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I have a hard time remembering to plug my cell phone in to be charged. If I owned this rifle I would never be able to shoot it. ;D
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Yeah that starting price is high, whats higher is the price for the high power model. Want a black one 2700 uk pounds, the bronze is 2900. 3700USD!!
Anyone have numbers for power? Nick? And it's .303 for the .30 so actually more like .311?
If it's anything like the red wolf as far as electronics they've been very reliable as far as I've seen same with the battery. Which battery and charger are available in RC shops and the like, not unobtanium. Shame about the magazines that they didn't go bigger. They've been making electronic airguns for a long time, I think they're very reliable and not something to be afraid of.
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I seriously would love one but WAY out of my price range. But hopefully Ill at least get to shoot one someday
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I have two Air Wolves and one MK4IS. I bought them used. They all have Heliboards now and their batteries are the same.
If a board dies I have the Daystate original or I could get a spare Heliboard. If a battery dies I could cobble a battery pack together with 7 NiMh AAA batteries.
Nothing is terribly difficult to recover from in my instance.
Taso
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What's the deal with having both regulator and electronics in it? Electronics not good enough for a flat shot string?
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I expect that the use of the regulator simply enables more flexibility, options, and control for the electronics and programming. I wonder if the regulator set pressure is one of the parameters controlled electronically. That would be really cool and functional for the rest of the programming . . . .
I don't get the swapable air tank, at least as shown in that video at about the 2:00 mark. That just removed the tank, letting the air out - unless it is a proprietary tank with some kind of valve in it, and that would reduce the volume. But as shown a standard CF tank would have to be empty to come off, and I thought "I can do that with my Air Ranger."
As always, all advances build on the art of the possible for the future, so I for one am glad they are doing this. Not likely to spend that much coin on one, but you never know - maybe in a few years.
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Ironically, as much as I love and prefer tacticool over the traditional wooden hunting stocks, I would take the Red Wolf any day over the Delta Wolf. Any day!
Then put that $1000 saved, into some really nice glass.
........but, that's just me 8)
For what it's worth, my opinion on the Delta Wolf visual design is that it's far better than that of the Pulsar.
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The live 1hr Q&A about delta wolf is going to be on FNL channel?
Can some one enlighten me on what channel that is or even better the actual web site????
Cheers
(I'm also little disappointed on price range for the FAC @ $4000) silly.
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So exactly what is this? Seems to be basically an electronic. low shot capacity FX Clone and a very increased price.
There has to be an up side to the very high price some where.
I did notice the speaker said Daystate Air Gun Manufacturer. They are Not, but are an Airgun design and building company. The really don't manufacturer anything but cash flow.
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The live 1hr Q&A about delta wolf is going to be on FNL channel?
Can some one enlighten me on what channel that is or even better the actual web site????
Cheers
(I'm also little disappointed on price range for the FAC @ $4000) silly.
Here buddy
http://fnlnetwork.com/channel-finder/ (http://fnlnetwork.com/channel-finder/)
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I just did a conversion and 2700 euros is $3015 usd. I believe someone said previously there priced the same as a Safari at $2999usd. And while I think it's cool also way outta what I can spend on an airgun.
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I'm curious how much Pulsar tech is in the Delta Wolf or is it next generation?
The video mentions a chronometer is built in. I wonder how they overcame the lead dust issue that the MVT system had obscuring the sensors.
Taso
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I believe the built in chrony has a cover over the sensor to keep the lead dust away from it. I am sure it has to be cleaned from time to time. You will be able to go on your phone app and dial up the fps you want to shoot which is pretty cool for tuning your gun for a pellet or slug.
It comes with a Daystate price tag but my experience with Daystate is they are among the top in quality compared to some high end airguns. My Daystates never seem to break on me and I can always rely on them working. Some of the features on this gun are pretty cool and is on my 'want' list.
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+! on reliability. The AW I had here in .22 was so accurate and dependable that It was down right Boring. Man, it was just dead accurate! 8)
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I just did a conversion and 2700 euros is $3015 usd. I believe someone said previously there priced the same as a Safari at $2999usd. And while I think it's cool also way outta what I can spend on an airgun.
My mistake! It's GBP not euros...would be more like $3522 for the all black high power.... :o
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I just did a conversion and 2700 euros is $3015 usd. I believe someone said previously there priced the same as a Safari at $2999usd. And while I think it's cool also way outta what I can spend on an airgun.
My mistake! It's GBP not euros...would be more like $3522 for the all black high power.... :o
250 in tax and now you have $3800 +
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https://www.mediafire.com/file/gkg7ryg6uf89wxy/Airgun_World___June_2020.pdf/file# (https://www.mediafire.com/file/gkg7ryg6uf89wxy/Airgun_World___June_2020.pdf/file#)