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Hello,
I'm pretty new to the forums and only own a Gamo Swarm Magnum until now.
I've been looking on PCP's for a while now , to be honest right after i bought the magnum.
I live in Eastern Europe and for us here it's very hard even to own Air Rifles , permits , takes a lot of time to get accepted , firearms courses etc.
Pest control is forbidden even on rats.
It took me about 5 months to get the GAMO , and i barely managed to get it at full power. Europe versions are usually found in 24 joules.
Normally we must pick them up ourselves , but i was lucky the Slovenian seller sent it via Courier and actually nobody checks those packages here.
The best PCP i found for my needs is the Air Venturi Seneca Aspen.
I loved the FX Independence and that was in Europe , 1000 euro didn't scare me that much but it's no longer available anywhere for some reason.
Seems like a pretty cheap investment for a sort of PCP , but for me it would be best because if i go shooting i can't carry a scuba or pump with me ( even on my own land ).
What i would like to know about the Aspen are the following :
- If it's by any chance sold in Europe by trusted shop
- By any chance can i find spare parts in Europe
- Could anyone provide some information about the durability , i'm a pretty inexperienced handyman , even tough i learned very much from my gamo i'm not sure exactly how hard to change parts in a PCP ( especially one with a build in pump like the SENECA)
- How does the hand pump last over time ? I shoot around 200 pellets a week and i would like to know how often do i have to actually maintain it (cleaning , oiling , greasing , change pump air filter etc ).
Sorry if questions seemed less tough then they should but as i said i haven't even held a PCP rifle , just youtube and forums.
Thanks in advance and a Happy New Year all!
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I will be following this thread. I too am interested in the Aspen and have read a lot of reviews, many of which are not good but I know this is the place to get accurate information. Good luck Vampp in your search.
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Thanks Rick.
Yes i've heard about the issues.
But i wrote to pyramid air recently and they told me that a lot of the issues ( especially with the pump ) were fixed.
I would like a owner or a expert ( i see there are a lot of them on the forum ) to tell me if it's worth it.
It's hard to get a air rifle and i think there is only one person in my entire country who repairs them , but he usually works with gamo break barrels.
So i'm actually looking for a good and dependable PCP.
A fire rifle is off limits unless you are a hunter (takes 2 years to get a license, and after 1 year till you can get a rifle ) , but i don't call it hunting what happens here, where 10-20-30 people stay in a line and other people with dogs scare the animals into your direction.
You can also use them at a range , but usually the few there are here have 75 meters at most and a 308 cartridge costs about 4-5 bucks. Don't get me wrong i can't complain about money but i don't like throwing it away.
If a fellow European is selling one or a FX independence in .22 or .25 i'm interested in buying it , because it's easy to actually import it after paperwork.
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I know it is available in the UK now. Otherwise check with https://www.facebook.com/pg/airgunexporter/about/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/airgunexporter/about/?ref=page_internal)
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Hi Black_roads,
The ones i saw in the UK i saw they are set to 12 FPE.
Is it set from the pressure gauge or has a smaller transfer port?
I sent a email to the site ( this was a couple of months back ) :) .
Thanks for the help!
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Thanks Rick.
Yes i've heard about the issues.
But i wrote to pyramid air recently and they told me that a lot of the issues ( especially with the pump ) were fixed.
I would like a owner or a expert ( i see there are a lot of them on the forum ) to tell me if it's worth it.
It's hard to get a air rifle and i think there is only one person in my entire country who repairs them , but he usually works with gamo break barrels.
So i'm actually looking for a good and dependable PCP.
A fire rifle is off limits unless you are a hunter (takes 2 years to get a license, and after 1 year till you can get a rifle ) , but i don't call it hunting what happens here, where 10-20-30 people stay in a line and other people with dogs scare the animals into your direction.
You can also use them at a range , but usually the few there are here have 75 meters at most and a 308 cartridge costs about 4-5 bucks. Don't get me wrong i can't complain about money but i don't like throwing it away.
If a fellow European is selling one or a FX independence in .22 or .25 i'm interested in buying it , because it's easy to actually import it after paperwork.
the aspen is my first pcp, and has been very accurate, and easy to use. the pump on it does need an o-ring replaced every 4-5 thousand shots if you're just using the built in pump. maybe less than that, i've learned how to be more patient with it. but it will need serviced at some point. there are quite a few good threads on this forum and others on how to perform the repair. other than that, the only other maintenance is you will want to add some oil to the pump whenever it starts feeling stiff.
i'm also pretty inexperienced with tools, etc. but with the information on forums, and friendliness of people on forums, i was able to eventually get the repair down to 20 or so minutes comfortably.
my only complaint with the gun would be the bulkiness of it.
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I've had my Aspen since last March and it's been very reliable for me. I will say when I first received it it took a lot of pumps after each shot get it back up to 3000 psi and after maybe 100 shots the pump because very hard to pump. I fixed the problem by putting 6 drops of silicone oil in the pump and pumping it a few times then repeating that until the pump work just fine. I do pump it back up after each shot using 5 to 6 pumps to maintain 3000 psi which on my rifle is the sweet spot. As they say, your results may very. lol
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I have had no problems with the freedom after two months.I think you need to use a little more oil than the manual calls for.And not try to pump it up fast thus overheating the oring.
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That's why I pump back up after each shot. I keeps the pump a lot cooler than pumping back up from 10 shots.
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I like the low power, high power feature on the Aspen.
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Thanks for the answers guys!
I really appreciate them especially on the new years eve! I wish you a happy new year and happy shooting :) . I feel i was born to enjoy this but unfortunately in a wrong country.
So back to the seneca , would you recommend the .22 or .25.
My Swarm Magnum is .22 so my first instinct is to go for .25 on the aspen.
But i'm not really sure , i aim to shoot 50-100 meters , so i'm not sure if it's strong enough for the .25 or the FPE retention is still good at that distance.
I own a lot of land at my grandparents and they have farm animals , especially chickens are taken by bird predators and foxes. Even tough the law is not really on our side , unless the fox makes a criminal complaint there are no issues.
Also the orings you were talking about before , are they easy to get?
It does not really matter if it's from the US because a 30 euro shipping it's no problem if i buy 10 and seal them of with one void plastic bag i think.
I found a guide earlier this year that stated that 2 turns to power it up should take the velocity to about 950 FPS ( on the .25 ). Has anyone cranked the power up?
I use heavy JSB domes on my magnum and they work pretty darn good a around 970 fps. So i'm guessing heavier .25 will be the same if cranked up.
The lighter ones seem to have a curve in air .
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That's why I pump back up after each shot. I keeps the pump a lot cooler than pumping back up from 10 shots.
this is the mistake i was making initially. i would pump it up all the way, shoot it back down to 1500, then pump it back up. now keep it around 1800-2000 on low, and 2200-2400 on high
Vampp - o-rings should be #006 Buna-N O-Ring. these are the ones i bought: https://www.amazon.com/Buna-N-Ring-Durometer-Black-Width/dp/B00NY9QZ12 (https://www.amazon.com/Buna-N-Ring-Durometer-Black-Width/dp/B00NY9QZ12)
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I think .22 has plenty of power for larger small game, using the heaviest .22 pellets that are accurate, or Air Velocity Sport swaged slugs, a member here developed just to fit the bore of the .22 Novas.
All depends on the availability of ammo for you. :-\
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Black_roads i can get mainly H&N sports and JSB.
I'm still more interested in the .25 as i already own a .22 , even tough it's a break barrel.
But what i am curious to know is if the .25 can handle the h&N 31 grain slugs on factory high setting.
I'm hoping to get around 800-850 FPS on those slugs even if i loose a couple of shots along the way and if i increase the number of pumps to get a shot.
I'm not sure if this is possible so i'm hoping that a member can help with some facts , or can confirm my theory.
Mundillar in europe offers a huge variety of .22 ammo and also some of the best for .25 , they have fair prices and shipping is around 15 euro but i buy a lot when purchasing so it's not a big issue.
Also thank you for the link to Airgunexporter , they answered in the new years eve and they told me they can get the Independence , Aspen and Indy.
Independence seems to have a little more power from the factory settings but i'm guessing the price is over 150% more so i'm pretty sure the aspen can be tuned to that 45 fpe also ( maybe sacrificing a few shots from 1 fill in the process ).
The Indy on the other hand seems to have a .30 caliber , but i'm not really sure it can shoot more then 3-4 consistent shots per fill , and the price is too much for me at the moment.
So i decided to take it slow go for .25 then move up the ranks.
One question i forgot to ask was about the moisture , none of the 3 rifles actually have a filter on that.
My region is not know for high humidity but i would like to know if the rifle is hard to take apart and more important if it's hard to put it back in place :) . For my springer i need a press in order to grease the piston and change piston seals.
Happy New Year to everyone!
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Black_roads i can get mainly H&N sports and JSB.
I'm still more interested in the .25 as i already own a .22 , even tough it's a break barrel.
But what i am curious to know is if the .25 can handle the h&N 31 grain slugs on factory high setting.
I'm hoping to get around 800-850 FPS on those slugs even if i loose a couple of shots along the way and if i increase the number of pumps to get a shot.
I'm not sure if this is possible so i'm hoping that a member can help with some facts , or can confirm my theory.
Mundillar in europe offers a huge variety of .22 ammo and also some of the best for .25 , they have fair prices and shipping is around 15 euro but i buy a lot when purchasing so it's not a big issue.
Also thank you for the link to Airgunexporter , they answered in the new years eve and they told me they can get the Independence , Aspen and Indy.
Independence seems to have a little more power from the factory settings but i'm guessing the price is over 150% more so i'm pretty sure the aspen can be tuned to that 45 fpe also ( maybe sacrificing a few shots from 1 fill in the process ).
The Indy on the other hand seems to have a .30 caliber , but i'm not really sure it can shoot more then 3-4 consistent shots per fill , and the price is too much for me at the moment.
So i decided to take it slow go for .25 then move up the ranks.
One question i forgot to ask was about the moisture , none of the 3 rifles actually have a filter on that.
My region is not know for high humidity but i would like to know if the rifle is hard to take apart and more important if it's hard to put it back in place :) . For my springer i need a press in order to grease the piston and change piston seals.
Happy New Year to everyone!
happy new year to you too!
air velocity sport (same guy who makes the slugs) has a great teardown in his review of the liberty (same gun, just without the pump). i'm very much mechanically challenged, and using this as a guide has made any work on the gun pretty easy.
https://youtu.be/_Yzb6XzQvTo?t=1604 (https://youtu.be/_Yzb6XzQvTo?t=1604)
also this thread on another forum will walk you through the pump specific repair that needs to be done on the gun, as well as list what special tools may be needed:
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/stuck-halfway-thru-seneca-aspen-nova-freedom-pump-repair-photos/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/stuck-halfway-thru-seneca-aspen-nova-freedom-pump-repair-photos/)
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gc208 thank you a million !
I am watching the first video now.
It's very interesting that the Liberty has a regulator , are you sure that the Aspen has one also?
I found it's manual online and the guys from HAM actually made adjustments only from the hammer spring. ( picture attached )
The guy from the video made adjustments from the regulator spacer giving it more space to retain more air. Honestly i didn't even know the Aspen has a regulator , because every review said that you are the regulator.
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gc208 thank you a million !
I am watching the first video now.
It's very interesting that the Liberty has a regulator , are you sure that the Aspen has one also?
I found it's manual online and the guys from HAM actually made adjustments only from the hammer spring. ( picture attached )
The guy from the video made adjustments from the regulator spacer giving it more space to retain more air. Honestly i didn't even know the Aspen has a regulator , because every review said that you are the regulator.
sorry for the confusion! there is NO regulator, i misspoke. the barrel, shroud, stock, etc. are all the same. air sources are all different.
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The Freedom aka Aspen does have a Regulator. It's called the shooter! I pump my Aspen back up after every shot. 5 pumps usually does it everytime. It makes for good accuracy and it saves the pump from excessive heat which kills the #6 pump Oring which is the biggest problem the pump has along with inadequate lubing.
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gc , no problem m8 , honestly for me also it looked as the same rifle without the pump.
Robert, that is what i read about it.
The independence stock reaches to 45 FPE at .25 caliber . What i want to do is reach the same with the Aspen , so i'm researching if it's possible , mainly because i want to use slugs for larger hunt.
The 38 FPE stock power on the Aspen may not be enough to get a steady 850 FPS on the H&N slugs. I need to know if it can reach that velocity with the 31 gr from the slugs.
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I can get 52 fpe out of my Liberty .22 I think with one of Duy's DC valves and the receiver drilled out to .217 it should be no problem. It has a HS adj already and the barrel can be opened up to .200 or so. The biggest problem is to change out the poppet valve the air cylinder is precharged to 1800 psi and it takes a special probe to repressurise it. I would see if Duy can install it for ya as he's taken one apart and knows how to work on it. My Aspen .22 gets 38 fpe with the HS adj turned in to 1/2 turn out from max and the pressure up at 3600 psi. I'm probably going to do all of the mods I did on the Liberty to my Aspen later this year when it's out of warranty. Don't need a hot rod .25 as I already have a Sumatra that will give me 93 fpe stock.
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I can get 52 fpe out of my Liberty .22 I think with one of Duy's DC valves and the receiver drilled out to .217 it should be no problem. It has a HS adj already and the barrel can be opened up to .200 or so. The biggest problem is to change out the poppet valve the air cylinder is precharged to 1800 psi and it takes a special probe to repressurise it. I would see if Duy can install it for ya as he's taken one apart and knows how to work on it. My Aspen .22 gets 38 fpe with the HS adj turned in to 1/2 turn out from max and the pressure up at 3600 psi. I'm probably going to do all of the mods I did on the Liberty to my Aspen later this year when it's out of warranty. Don't need a hot rod .25 as I already have a Sumatra that will give me 93 fpe stock.
Robert, do you get your max velocity at 3600psi or does it come at a lower pressure?
Just asking because my .177 Freedoms always shoot at lower velocity at 3600psi, even with the HS turned in all the way.
The sweet spot seems to be at or below 3000psi.
Thanks!
Kerry
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My Freedoms are stock and not modified.
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Robert , on your Aspen .25 , can you get to 45 FPE just by turning the hammer spring? Or do you actually have to make the mods to get to that velocity?
The HAM tuning i posted before seems promising, a 5-10% increase seems possible , but then again my experience is youtube and GTA.
The graph is for .22 , normally the velocity % should increase on the .25 or then again that is what logic says. I'm just not sure it will increase from 38 to 45 FPE , especially with 31 gr slugs. There may be lower slugs out there but they are out of my reach.
I'm hoping to get about 5 good shots at 45 FPE. I will mainly charge it after each pump , but 5 shots to be there in case i need them is the best i can ask for from that small cylinder.
At this specs ( from my point of view ) it will look like the ultimate survival rifle .
Also , just out of curiosity , what riffle would require more maintenance , and is more likely to hold a lifetime, the Aspen or the Fx Independence / Bullpup ?
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I can get 52 fpe out of my Liberty .22 I think with one of Duy's DC valves and the receiver drilled out to .217 it should be no problem. It has a HS adj already and the barrel can be opened up to .200 or so. The biggest problem is to change out the poppet valve the air cylinder is precharged to 1800 psi and it takes a special probe to repressurise it. I would see if Duy can install it for ya as he's taken one apart and knows how to work on it. My Aspen .22 gets 38 fpe with the HS adj turned in to 1/2 turn out from max and the pressure up at 3600 psi. I'm probably going to do all of the mods I did on the Liberty to my Aspen later this year when it's out of warranty. Don't need a hot rod .25 as I already have a Sumatra that will give me 93 fpe stock.
Robert, do you get your max velocity at 3600psi or does it come at a lower pressure?
Just asking because my .177 Freedoms always shoot at lower velocity at 3600psi, even with the HS turned in all the way.
The sweet spot seems to be at or below 3000psi.
Thanks!
Kerry
P.S.
My Freedoms are stock and not modified.
My Aspen .22 is normally shoot around the 3000 psi mark. I wanted to see what she was capable so turned the HS adj all of the way in then back it off 1/2 turn to be able to shoot at 3600 psi. Recalculated the energy and found it peaked at 36.6 not 38.
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I can get 52 fpe out of my Liberty .22 I think with one of Duy's DC valves and the receiver drilled out to .217 it should be no problem. It has a HS adj already and the barrel can be opened up to .200 or so. The biggest problem is to change out the poppet valve the air cylinder is precharged to 1800 psi and it takes a special probe to repressurise it. I would see if Duy can install it for ya as he's taken one apart and knows how to work on it. My Aspen .22 gets 38 fpe with the HS adj turned in to 1/2 turn out from max and the pressure up at 3600 psi. I'm probably going to do all of the mods I did on the Liberty to my Aspen later this year when it's out of warranty. Don't need a hot rod .25 as I already have a Sumatra that will give me 93 fpe stock.
Robert, do you get your max velocity at 3600psi or does it come at a lower pressure?
Just asking because my .177 Freedoms always shoot at lower velocity at 3600psi, even with the HS turned in all the way.
The sweet spot seems to be at or below 3000psi.
Thanks!
Kerry
P.S.
My Freedoms are stock and not modified.
My Aspen .22 is normally shoot around the 3000 psi mark. I wanted to see what she was capable so turned the HS adj all of the way in then back it off 1/2 turn to be able to shoot at 3600 psi. Recalculated the energy and found it peaked at 36.6 not 38.
Seems it would take a stronger hammer spring to utilize 3600psi for max power. ;)
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My Freedoms are stock and not modified.
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My Aspen .22 is normally shoot around the 3000 psi mark. I wanted to see what she was capable so turned the HS adj all of the way in then back it off 1/2 turn to be able to shoot at 3600 psi. Recalculated the energy and found it peaked at 36.6 not 38.
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Sorry for the long break I am back.
Robert,
Well yeah but your version is the .22 , that it supposed to be at 30 FPE you got it way more than that. Grats for that.
The .25 version I want is stock 38 FPE.
So in your chart there , you have it to max and half turn out from maximum tension?
I saw a video of someone suggesting to change the Hammer Spring to a more powerful one because that is the weak item from that combo.
Considering I never had a PCP , i'm about to get it and I am already talking about tuning it i'm going to ask a noob question.
Is the hammer spring separate from the hammer? I just actually have to change the spring or a entire element from there?
But then again all I want is to shoot 825-850 FPS with the H&N .25 Slugs and for it to be acurate.
And that is around 45-46 FPE.
100 FPE always sounds better but unfortunately we are talking about a small reservoir , and I would like 4-5 shots.
I saw that new FX Power Plenum ... 150% more shots with it , but I imagine it can't be done on the aspen.
Also by changing spring (with a more powerful one) , does it give you more power or more stable shots / velocity? I'm still trying to get the hang of this.
I'm asking this because you mentioned that it will shoot right from 3600 PSI.
Thanks.
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Remember, if you change to HS IMO you will be voiding your warranty and that's not a good thing if you don't know much about PCP's. Also IMO if you shoot the .25 Aspen at 3600 psi with the HS 1/2 turn out from max I feel you will get your target of 45 to 46 FPE but that will be with the first shot and your energies will lower after the first shot for each shot there after. That's why you should pump it up with 5 or 6 pumps after each shot not only to keep your power level but also to be easier on the pump. Lots of pumps create lots of heat and heat will kill the Orings in the pump. What are you going to use the rifle for?
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Remember, if you change to HS IMO you will be voiding your warranty and that's not a good thing if you don't know much about PCP's. Also IMO if you shoot the .25 Aspen at 3600 psi with the HS 1/2 turn out from max I feel you will get your target of 45 to 46 FPE but that will be with the first shot and your energies will lower after the first shot for each shot there after. That's why you should pump it up with 5 or 6 pumps after each shot not only to keep your power level but also to be easier on the pump. Lots of pumps create lots of heat and heat will kill the Orings in the pump. What are you going to use the rifle for?
The warranty is 0 for me because once it get's in my country unless I sell it or destroy it it can't leave my possession or my metal locker.
1 shot at 45 FPE then reload is mainly what I need. But In case I need to fire 2-3 will it stay consistent?
I need the extra FPE for the 31GR H&N slugs , the only ones I can buy here.
So the spring is not just a simple spring but a assembly of parts?
By changing the spring do I get more shots because I don't need to tune it so high up?
Yes I've read almost everywhere that a lot of people super fast charged the pump and blew up the O-rings.
I'm going to get 100 of those and keep them sealed.
But I've also read that after each 100 shots or when you feel it stiff , to put 5-6 drops of synthetic oil. Is this correct?
I will use it for medium game / small game / plinking .
But the FPE I want it for slugs ( long range ). So if get the slug to 825 FPS It could work at 110 yards.
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By the way , i saw the new Air Venturi Avenger PCP.
It goes up to 4351 PSI , 300 bar.
Does anyone think it's going to be the next step for the ASPEN as well ?
Now i'm thinking that maybe i should wait a little.
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The Avenger just incorporates the modds a lot of Liberty owners have done to their rifles. The Aspen IMHO really can get much better unless they make a more reliable poppet. It has the HS adj already and there isn't a regulator. If AV did open up the TP it would make more power but will take more pumping to get back up to pressure.
The first time you notice the pumping becoming harder lube that pump right now! lol
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So you are saying that it can be modded to 300bar?
Ipotetical how many more constant shots do you think it would get?
I saw what FX did with the power plenum.
Basically more reliable shots , from 30 shots to 79 shots on .30 caliber. That is wow but also the price is wow.
Concept is very strange to me as you have the 500 cc tube at 300 bar , yet the plenum works at 250 bar.
Tbh the hustle for me to import a rifle is huge , i want a good one and i don't really want to see a much better model in 3 months after the purchase.
By any chance someone has shot slugs with it? Is the rifling good for slugs? On the .25 model.
This is my last concern about the rifle.
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For me, the Avenger would be the perfect PCP... IF it still had the power level switch like the Aspen, Freedom and Liberty.
I know there are folks who are looking ONLY for power. I am not one of them.
I like being able, at the flip of a switch/knob, to change from ~12fpe to ~20+fpe. That makes the AG dual purpose IMHO.
If I have to change the HS or regulator settings to achieve this, then it is a one purpose AG.
As I have said before, I shoot my Freedoms on the low power setting MOST of the time (~97-99%).
There is the rare occasion when I NEED ~20+fpe and it is really nice to just flip a switch/knob and get it.
To each their own, but the Avenger will probably not be owned by me because of this lack.
Kerry
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So you are saying that it can be modded to 300bar?
Ipotetical how many more constant shots do you think it would get?
I saw what FX did with the power plenum.
Basically more reliable shots , from 30 shots to 79 shots on .30 caliber. That is wow but also the price is wow.
Concept is very strange to me as you have the 500 cc tube at 300 bar , yet the plenum works at 250 bar.
Tbh the hustle for me to import a rifle is huge , i want a good one and i don't really want to see a much better model in 3 months after the purchase.
By any chance someone has shot slugs with it? Is the rifling good for slugs? On the .25 model.
This is my last concern about the rifle.
It should've read "it can't get much better" Never shot the aspen .25 so can't say for sure but the .22 Liberty which has the same barrel as the aspen/freedom shoots slugs very well.
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Backstop you are right , the power knob will save me some pumping and oil. And lets face it , 70% of time i will use it for plinking so yeah ... long live the knob.
Will switching the power change the POI very much at 25-30 yards?
Robert , yes for me this looks like the perfect rifle also. So it seems like i'm going to purchase it.
One question remains , i am thinking that i wish the .22 and .25 one. They must be aquiree separatelly or the barrel on them can be swaped? Case where i can buy 1 rifle and 2 barrels.
Maybe i would even go for all calibers :).
Thanks.
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Backstop you are right , the power knob will save me some pumping and oil. And lets face it , 70% of time i will use it for plinking so yeah ... long live the knob.
Will switching the power change the POI very much at 25-30 yards?
Robert , yes for me this looks like the perfect rifle also. So it seems like i'm going to purchase it.
One question remains , i am thinking that i wish the .22 and .25 one. They must be aquiree separatelly or the barrel on them can be swaped? Case where i can buy 1 rifle and 2 barrels.
Maybe i would even go for all calibers :) .
Thanks.
I was wondering that myself as I had not tested it in a long while. At 25 yards, the POI was essentially the same. However, I was not shooting at a paper target, so the actual POI, shifted or not is debatable.
Suffice to say that I could hit a golf ball at 25 yards on either low or high power and even when I was switching from one to the other on each shot. YMMV
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Thanks again for that info , seems very good because my main plinking is at 25 yards. Will save me some muscle. Unless i'm using paper to set the scope i shoot 0.33L soda cans or 0.5L beer cans so it should be ok.
You have the .22 version right?
By any chance you know if the barrel is swapable? Or the other barells work with different transfer ports so it would be impossible.
The .22 seems more versatile but i have a .22 rifle Gamo Swarm Magnum and i get around 28-29 fpe with JSB's and Gamo Pro Hunter , Gamo Rocket. There is a pretty big recoil on it tough even tough i tuned the trigger and i'm looking for a moderator on it because it's very loud.
Thank you.
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Thanks again for that info , seems very good because my main plinking is at 25 yards. Will save me some muscle. Unless i'm using paper to set the scope i shoot 0.33L soda cans or 0.5L beer cans so it should be ok.
You have the .22 version right?
By any chance you know if the barrel is swapable? Or the other barells work with different transfer ports so it would be impossible.
The .22 seems more versatile but i have a .22 rifle Gamo Swarm Magnum and i get around 28-29 fpe with JSB's and Gamo Pro Hunter , Gamo Rocket. There is a pretty big recoil on it tough even tough i tuned the trigger and i'm looking for a moderator on it because it's very loud.
Thank you.
Assuming you were talking to me???
I have a .22 Freedom, but it is not in service at this time.
AFAIK, the barrels are swap-able, but I think there is more to it than just swapping the barrels. I don't do such mods, so I can't say for sure.
The Freedom has no recoil that I can sense. It is a PCP. Springers/NP AGs, especially magnum varieties will always have recoil in both directions.
So, I really like PCP AGs. It removes several variables and makes an accurate shot much easier. I am all for easier accuracy. (smile)
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Assuming you were talking to me???
I have a .22 Freedom, but it is not in service at this time.
AFAIK, the barrels are swap-able, but I think there is more to it than just swapping the barrels. I don't do such mods, so I can't say for sure.
The Freedom has no recoil that I can sense. It is a PCP. Springers/NP AGs, especially magnum varieties will always have recoil in both directions.
So, I really like PCP AGs. It removes several variables and makes an accurate shot much easier. I am all for easier accuracy. (smile)
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Yes indeed it was a reply for you :).
Yes the reasons that i want to buy the aspen are : Built in pump , Accuracy , 2 sets of power , ease of use , low maintenance ( some oil and a couple of O'rings from time to time , or at least this is what i understood ).
As for the springers the bad part is that the piston eventually wears of or the spring gets loose. Either way you have to change the piston / spring and orings to it so ... yeah .
This thing promises everything compared to my springer so i would like to replace my springer with a .22 Aspen.
But i want the .25 aspen as i do not have a .25 rifle and the higher FPE will help in hunting.
So you know that on some rifles you can just unscrew the barrel and exchange it for a different bore or a barrel with a different threaded barrel. I am just asking of it's possible to buy the .25 and a separate .22 barrel, and just swap them out depending on what i want to do with it that day and for pellet / slugs availability .
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Assuming you were talking to me???
I have a .22 Freedom, but it is not in service at this time.
AFAIK, the barrels are swap-able, but I think there is more to it than just swapping the barrels. I don't do such mods, so I can't say for sure.
The Freedom has no recoil that I can sense. It is a PCP. Springers/NP AGs, especially magnum varieties will always have recoil in both directions.
So, I really like PCP AGs. It removes several variables and makes an accurate shot much easier. I am all for easier accuracy. (smile)
Yes indeed it was a reply for you :) .
Yes the reasons that i want to buy the aspen are : Built in pump , Accuracy , 2 sets of power , ease of use , low maintenance ( some oil and a couple of O'rings from time to time , or at least this is what i understood ).
As for the springers the bad part is that the piston eventually wears of or the spring gets loose. Either way you have to change the piston / spring and orings to it so ... yeah .
This thing promises everything compared to my springer so i would like to replace my springer with a .22 Aspen.
But i want the .25 aspen as i do not have a .25 rifle and the higher FPE will help in hunting.
So you know that on some rifles you can just unscrew the barrel and exchange it for a different bore or a barrel with a different threaded barrel. I am just asking of it's possible to buy the .25 and a separate .22 barrel, and just swap them out depending on what i want to do with it that day and for pellet / slugs availability .
What I meant was that the barrels are easily swapped, but to change calibers will require more than a simple barrel change. Hammer spring, etc.
I have not and don't plan on doing such changes, so I can guide you. All I was trying to tell you is that there is more to it than a simple barrel swap.
Kerry
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Assuming you were talking to me???
I have a .22 Freedom, but it is not in service at this time.
AFAIK, the barrels are swap-able, but I think there is more to it than just swapping the barrels. I don't do such mods, so I can't say for sure.
The Freedom has no recoil that I can sense. It is a PCP. Springers/NP AGs, especially magnum varieties will always have recoil in both directions.
So, I really like PCP AGs. It removes several variables and makes an accurate shot much easier. I am all for easier accuracy. (smile)
Yes indeed it was a reply for you :).
Yes the reasons that i want to buy the aspen are : Built in pump , Accuracy , 2 sets of power , ease of use , low maintenance ( some oil and a couple of O'rings from time to time , or at least this is what i understood ).
As for the springers the bad part is that the piston eventually wears of or the spring gets loose. Either way you have to change the piston / spring and orings to it so ... yeah .
This thing promises everything compared to my springer so i would like to replace my springer with a .22 Aspen.
But i want the .25 aspen as i do not have a .25 rifle and the higher FPE will help in hunting.
So you know that on some rifles you can just unscrew the barrel and exchange it for a different bore or a barrel with a different threaded barrel. I am just asking of it's possible to buy the .25 and a separate .22 barrel, and just swap them out depending on what i want to do with it that day and for pellet / slugs availability .
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I believe all it would take is to change the pellet probe and barrel if you could get the stock parts. Of course you'd need the mag that fit what ever cal you want but those are available. The other parts not so much. I guess you could get a parts gun from ATI and use the barrel and probe from that. I'm sure you could sell off the other parts of the rifle and make some of your money back.
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oh i see .
well in this case it's just better to buy one of each caliber.
I will probably buy the .25 and go for the .22 once i've sold mine.
I hoped it was just a barrel change and rotary magazine change.
But if hammer spring is required also ... no thanks.
Thanks again for everything guys , i'll post photos once i have it :) .
Any other tips and tricks with this will be greatly appreciated.
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oh i see .
well in this case it's just better to buy one of each caliber.
I will probably buy the .25 and go for the .22 once i've sold mine.
I hoped it was just a barrel change and rotary magazine change.
But if hammer spring is required also ... no thanks.
Thanks again for everything guys , i'll post photos once i have it :) .
Any other tips and tricks with this will be greatly appreciated.
Actually I may be wrong about replacing the hammer spring, but you will have to replace the pellet probe for sure with a barrel swap/caliber change.
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I doubt there's any difference in the hammer spring between the .22 and .25
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I doubt there's any difference in the hammer spring between the .22 and .25
Tee is only 1 part # in the assembly diagrams
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Almost 3 months have passed and apparently is very hard to import air rifles from the US.
By any chance someone knows a reseller for the Seneca Aspen .25 in Europe?
I searched google till the last page.
Men i wish it was as easy as the US here :'(