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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Big Bore AirGun Gate => Topic started by: AThomas on December 24, 2019, 08:19:10 PM
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Introducing the NEW for 2020 the HATSAN PILEDRIVER a SERIOUS big game hunting PCP rifle pushing SOLID .45 or .50 caliber slugs with the IMPACT of 700+ fpe in .45 caliber and 800+ fpe in .50 caliber at the muzzle. This new offering from HATSANUSA is tested and proven to be more than effective on North American big game. The PILEDRIVER will be available in 2020 pricing and timeline will be announced at SHOT Show in January.
https://youtu.be/BrtNY2JXbBs
What's going to be first the Hammer or the Piledriver???
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What's going to be first the Hammer or the Piledriver???
I want my CF tank for my Texan SS. I hope that will be first ;D
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Would this be enough power to make humane kills on rats?
I'm new to these guns and I don't want to wound the lil critters.
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I'll go out on a limb here and say crank that baby up to about 705FPE and you should be gtg for those rats.
Don't forget your shot placement too. Gotta have that. ;D ;D
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Not enough report or recoil for the power there claiming.
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I bet Hatsan comes to market with their Piledriver in less than 3 years. Can't say the same for the Hammer.
the gun in the video was producing a fair bit of recoil, but I have no experience with big-bores unless you talk bored Navy guys goofing off after standing watch. Those bambis dropped quick- that's for sure. So based on that alone, it is nice seeing another manufacturer put out a legit big-bore.
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Lets not get ahead of ourselves... They have only "put-out" another video for a prototype with an announcement of the announcement to be announced at the coming Shot Show. :o :o :o
pv
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Hopefully they have worked out the bugs and are ready to bring it to market. I'm not a Hatsan fan so it doesn't really matter to me.
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Not enough report or recoil for the power there claiming.
Not knowing what recording equipment they are using, or the weight of the gun that's a pretty bold statement to make.
By comparing the shot in above video at 37sec mark to the below video I think the shot could very well be in the 700 fpe range.
The muzzleloader in the below video is likely producing between 1800 and 2300fpe, I could easily see the Hatsan as being at least 1/3 of the recoil.
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I guess well see if/when it actually comes out.
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Not enough report or recoil for the power there claiming.
Not knowing what recording equipment they are using, or the weight of the gun that's a pretty bold statement to make.
By comparing the shot in above video at 37sec mark to the below video I think the shot could very well be in the 700 fpe range.
The muzzleloader in the below video is likely producing between 1800 and 2300fpe, I could easily see the Hatsan as being at least 1/3 of the recoil.
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I guess well see if/when it actually comes out.
I shoot my Texan at 735 fpe. It has a shroud the size of 3 coke. The recoil is terrible. Take off the shroud and your arm is sore after 10 shots. Even with the shroud your shoulder is throbbing on the way home
The camera mounted shots show the muzzle and it barely jumps. He is shooting off some super wobbly sticks or something. That shows some recoil.
Watch other people videos shooting texans with ATN scopes and there is way more recoil.
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Rick Rehm (shooter1721) has a .45 Piledriver in hand for testing. Would love some video of this with specifics of chrony work in there.
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Well it looks like shooter1721 already had one under his tree and has split a playing card at 50 with a nice little group as well. He was shooting Nielsen 350s
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Well it looks like shooter1721 already had one under his tree and has split a playing card at 50 with a nice little group as well. He was shooting Nielsen 350s
So for the "advertised energy that would put them in the 950 range. I guess we shall see soon
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To get there claimed numbers is going to be 500+ gr bullet. Just like every other manufacturer does.
Texan makes 700 fpe with 520 gr but only makes around 620 fpe with 350 gr
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My money is on the Hatsan. I’m sure they’ll deliver before The Hammer
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Maybe that will light a fire under umarex's. @$$ and get the hammer to market.
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Rick videoed the gun over the chrony. It shot the 350 gr NSA at 870 fps on video when filled to 4,200 psi. Rick did say he got 900 fps when he filled to 4,500 psi.
So.....590 FPE on video and Rick said 629 FPE max with the NSA 350 gr.
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Right away I see the barrel banded to the removable bottle and with the picatinny rail under it for a bipod and think it is similar to Hatsan's Bully which moves POI with bottle pressures and when resting on a bipod.
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So it makes right around what a Texan does on 900 psi less air.
I was right. Said they used a 520 gr slug to achieve the max fpe.
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Right away I see the barrel banded to the removable bottle and with the picatinny rail under it for a bipod and think it is similar to Hatsan's Bully which moves POI with bottle pressures and when resting on a bipod.
Yeah that scope rail setup is a problem...once I modified that on my bully it definitly shot much better. It's not too hard to solve.
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So it makes right around what a Texan does on 900 psi less air.
I was right. Said they used a 520 gr slug to achieve the max fpe.
Wait, so they DID reach the advertised FPE (with 520gr slug)? (you were wrong) or they did NOT reach the advertised FPE? I'm confused
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They claim they used a 520 gr slug to reach max fpe. Didn't say what it was and I'm sure it was on a 4350 psi fill.
Who wants a gun that you have to fill off a compressor? Texan makes same power on 3600 psi
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Nah, I don't like the music.
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Not enough report or recoil for the power there claiming.
The visible recoil will also be lessened when you consider this gun likely weighs
Around 12lbs!! One of the issues I’ve always had with a Hatsan..
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My Texan with my regulated tank is around 15 lbs. It still has terrible recoil. They probably were hunting with lighter bullets where it is around the 600 fpe area.
I like how they just give a figure of fpe. They know what it does. I found out on FB it was with 520 gr bullet. Why not be honest and say with this bullet it is this.
Post says it did 872 fps with 350 gr on 4200 psi. That's 590 fpe. With 4500 psi, which is over fill it got 900 fps.
Remove the brass and valve spring on old Texan. Put a 3600 psi tank and you get 900 fps with 350 gr.
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Remove the brass and valve spring on old Texan. Put a 3600 psi tank and you get 900 fps with 350 gr.
and that is a fact !!!
Doug, you did just that for me and its amazing >629FPE with nick's 350gr HPBT
1- 140lb whitetail fell DRT with a high shoulder shot @ 30yrds 8)
just awesome Doug, Thanks ;D
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https://youtu.be/UJkq_e4H4AE
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My Texan with my regulated tank is around 15 lbs. It still has terrible recoil. They probably were hunting with lighter bullets where it is around the 600 fpe area.
I like how they just give a figure of fpe. They know what it does. I found out on FB it was with 520 gr bullet. Why not be honest and say with this bullet it is this.
Post says it did 872 fps with 350 gr on 4200 psi. That's 590 fpe. With 4500 psi, which is over fill it got 900 fps.
Remove the brass and valve spring on old Texan. Put a 3600 psi tank and you get 900 fps with 350 gr.
Terrible? I shoot a 7lb Remington 870 with 1oz slugs moving 1760fps. Half the weight of gun at 4 times the ME, and I really don't view it as "terrible"
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For a airgun it is. It's a different type of recoil
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Not sure what we are arguing about recoil for. You can't determine the feel of that in a video.
I'd like to say something about this Hatsan offering, assuming IT doesnt infringe on any patents and it really is as accurate as these videos depict.
I think it is kind of ironic that we have a barrel rifling that caters to super long bullets whereas you were stuck with pellets and super short bullets before (also due to the loading port). This even with the 45 Hercules. Does anyone have the description and stats yet? If it is 12 lbs that kind of makes it a flop considering weight is the other Hatsan issue that keeps its guns from being serious hunting guns.
It looked like off-hand shots in these videos but not sure.
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For a airgun it is. It's a different type of recoil
Would love to hear this explained. Only big bore airgun I've ever shot was a stock .457 Texan. I can tell you that the recoil of it wasn't even close to as much as my .410 shotgun.
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I'm not going to argue about it. It's my gun and I know how it shoots.
But put it this way. If your not careful it will scope you. When your making well over 700 fpe they get to be a monster.
Friend made 908 fpe with same valve but smaller ports. That was with a 425 gr bullet.
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Not sure what we are arguing about recoil for. You can't determine the feel of that in a video.
I'd like to say something about this Hatsan offering, assuming IT doesnt infringe on any patents and it really is as accurate as these videos depict.
I think it is kind of ironic that we have a barrel rifling that caters to super long bullets whereas you were stuck with pellets and super short bullets before (also due to the loading port). This even with the 45 Hercules. Does anyone have the description and stats yet? If it is 12 lbs that kind of makes it a flop considering weight is the other Hatsan issue that keeps its guns from being serious hunting guns.
It looked like off-hand shots in these videos but not sure.
That's the exact point I was making, you CAN'T determine that from a video.
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I'm not going to argue about it. It's my gun and I know how it shoots.
But put it this way. If your not careful it will scope you. When your making well over 700 fpe they get to be a monster.
Friend made 908 fpe with same valve but smaller ports. That was with a 425 gr bullet.
Both of my DAQ rifles kick like mules and they have a barrel lift in addition to the kick.
My .58 Quackenbush short rifle scoped a fellow shooting a fairly light bullet for .58 and shooting heavier lead makes the kick even worse. It is violent for either DAQ. The .458 Outlaw will easily make 600 fpe. To tell you the truth it gave me a flinch I’ve had a hard time getting over.
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Here you go... the moment a .58 Quackenbush scoped it’s victim. It gives you an idea of the kick. Kinda hard to hang on to.
https://youtu.be/GTJVUHTn3-g
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Here you go... the moment a .58 Quackenbush scoped it’s victim. It gives you an idea of the kick. Kinda hard to hang on to.
https://youtu.be/GTJVUHTn3-g
I will say, if this piledriver used a .575 barrel you'd get a lot more FPE due to increased diameter. Not sure you need more FPE though (I already hear people in the future laughing).
We'd probably have more .575 bullet offerings too!
Also, I am wondering about the twist on this barrel to stabilize a 525 gr yet work with shorter bullets? Maybe a 20?
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https://youtu.be/G3M--z6U3E8
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My money is on the Hatsan. I’m sure they’ll deliver before The Hammer
As predicted. Hatsan be Umarex on delivering.
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My XP air guns ranger .45 36inch barrel is around 800 fpe shooting around 900fps with my casted .425g accurate mold , that's one of the most flat shooting 45 or bigger -big- bore air guns you will ever pull the trigger on … no reg … I start out at 4350 psi 2 shots 425g flat nose ..2 shots 349g casull ,then you put the gun on low power and shoot from 275g down to 140g round ball … there is a mid power setting also that works with 250-350g bullets …. This gun does kick pretty good ! ..no joke on that one … you can also change out spring ,and run the gun on gas, and shoot up over 1100 fps with the 425g around 1200 fpe …. funny thing is Dan Mcvey built my gun 9 years ago ,and still nothing new has jumped out at me when comparing it with the ranger .45 for what all it is capable of …