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Airguns by Make and Model => Artemis/SPA Airguns => Topic started by: canadian_shooter on December 17, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
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Just ordered this rifle. Artemis M11 MK2 .22 cal. from airgunarcheryfun.ca
Looking forward to another PCP for the collection. This one is regulated and comes with 2 magazines. :D
Will update when it arrives. Also, shhhhh, don't tell Carolyn! :D :D :D 8)
Dave
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Curious if anyone else has one of these and if so any insight they can provide.
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i have an m10. the m11 is mag fed
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134964.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134964.0)
go to this post, its a capable gun, more so in 25 cal
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i have an m10. the m11 is mag fed
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134964.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134964.0)
go to this post, its a capable gun, more so in 25 cal
Thanks
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I owned the M10 in .22 cal for a while. It was quite powerful and accurate. I think you will like the M11. (Think heavy pellets)
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I didn't know that Wes was selling the M11 ??? I've always liked the power they delivered, they're basically a 100 yard gun for sure right out of the box from what I've seen. The mag on the M11 is what puts the icing on the cake. When Mrodair was selling the M10 they supplied another transfer port with them as well. There's many on this forum that have extended experience with the M10. I think the next year you're going to see more really nice guns being available from SPA. I saw pictures of a lot of what they were projecting at the beginning of this year and it will be interesting to see what they have available for the near future.
I remember one of the members here talking about how a person replaced their Daystate barrel with an M10 barrel, the Chinese can and are building some really nice barrel's in the SPA factory. I have the Airmax Dominator myself and it's my go to gun for hunting squirrels and other small game, super accurate, plenty of power and trouble free. I did do a couple minor modifications to it to up the power also, you can tell by my avatar what I'm shooting out of it.
I was watching a youtube movie today about the M10 that Southern Gunner has and he's shooting the same slugs out of that that I'm shooting out of my Airmax Dominator.
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Thanks for the info guys. I am looking forward to playing with this one. I will have to go and look up Southern Airgunners video. I some how have missed that one. :D
Canada post says rifle is in Mississauga now. Sad part is that it went past my house to get there! Why do they not have a sorting facility in Sudbury or North Bay? Waiting has never been my strong suit. ;D Let's hope they process and reload on truck and send it back north (3 hrs) quickly! Time to check the trail cam and see what made all the tracks the last couple of days. Later!
Dave
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Hey Dave - I got mine from Raman at Canada shooting supply also in .25 and really like it even though it has a pretty good bark. I just did a chrony test tonight and am getting 38 shots per fill with the JSB Kings flying at 900-910fps. I turned down the hammer spring to about 850fps but didn't get a chance to see how many more shots I can get.
I also like the fact that it feels solid and the stock has some heft to it. Overall very pleased with the value given the quality.
Enjoy, I think you're going to love yours.
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Hey Dave - I got mine from Raman at Canada shooting supply also in .25 and really like it even though it has a pretty good bark. I just did a chrony test tonight and am getting 38 shots per fill with the JSB Kings flying at 900-910fps. I turned down the hammer spring to about 850fps but didn't get a chance to see how many more shots I can get.
I also like the fact that it feels solid and the stock has some heft to it. Overall very pleased with the value given the quality.
Enjoy, I think you're going to love yours.
Awesome Mike! Glad you like it. Now the waiting is even harder. LOL :D What weight are the Kings?
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This sounds like the DAR air rifle with just a different name.
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Yeah I seen these, amazing price , never owned a .25, wish I had more coin!
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Hey Dave - they are the 25.4 grain JSB Kings. Since this is my first .25 now the fun begins are going through different pellets to see which one it prefers.
I think I'll order the sample pack from Straight Shooters.
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This sounds like the DAR air rifle with just a different name.
One can only hope that the new DAR's will be as good as the SPA products however the DAR's are made in a totally different factory in China. I do like the DAR's (my .22 in my signature) but when I bought mine they were very far from being refined and I hope when they're released again that they've fixed all the flaws in them. I have been a fan of the SPA products ever since the first one that I bought.
My Airmax Dominator is my best hunter and always my go to gun for hunting
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4856/46091255721_57a41022ec_b.jpg)
I'll be using it in the morning at the state land, it's gonna be a really nice day tomorrow.
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Hey Dave - I got mine from Raman at Canada shooting supply also in .25 and really like it even though it has a pretty good bark. I just did a chrony test tonight and am getting 38 shots per fill with the JSB Kings flying at 900-910fps. I turned down the hammer spring to about 850fps but didn't get a chance to see how many more shots I can get.
Heya Mike; is 850fps as low as you could go with the external hammer spring adjustment..?
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One can only hope that the new DAR's will be as good as the SPA products however the DAR's are made in a totally different factory in China. I do like the DAR's (my .22 in my signature) but when I bought mine they were very far from being refined and I hope when they've released again that they've fixed all the flaws in them. I have been a fan of the SPA products ever since the first one that I bought.
Looking forward to its day view.
I hope that what I'm reading from the feedback from the beta testers is not just spin. It's happened way too many times for those who have a vested interest to be biased because they were selected to be a beta tester.
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I recieved mine from Wes about a week ago and I'm really liking it. It's in. 22 cal like yours. So far it has been very accurate with 17.5 grain NSA slugs at around 915 fps. It is far from broken in yet but even so the reg has been very consistent right from the start . Mine came set at about 140 bar and I have the hammer spring backed all the way out to shoot the 17 grain slugs. So it will definitely sling some heavier ones! I will say that you should pull the breach off when you receive yours and tighten all screws. .
Mine had the cocking lug on the bolt backing out and causing some issues after just a few mags.. there were a few other one that were loose as well..
But after I tightened everything up all has been well and Its getting alot of attention while I wait on my raptor mini to arrive!
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The only downside to the rifle I've found is the trigger.. it is not adjustable and has a really long spongy 1st stage with a decent 2nd stage.
I'm sure there is a way to improve as with any trigger but havent really dove into that issue yet.
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I recieved mine from Wes about a week ago and I'm really liking it. It's in. 22 cal like yours. So far it has been very accurate with 17.5 grain NSA slugs at around 915 fps. It is far from broken in yet but even so the reg has been very consistent right from the start . Mine came set at about 140 bar and I have the hammer spring backed all the way out to shoot the 17 grain slugs. So it will definitely sling some heavier ones! I will say that you should pull the breach off when you receive yours and tighten all screws. .
Mine had the cocking lug on the bolt backing out and causing some issues after just a few mags.. there were a few other one that were loose as well..
But after I tightened everything up all has been well and Its getting alot of attention while I wait on my raptor mini to arrive!
Thanks for the info. I was hoping it would be good with slugs. I will check the screws also.
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I received the rifle yesterday and it looks and shoots great! Will post some pics after Christmas when I have more time. Thanks to Wes.
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Hey Dave - I got mine from Raman at Canada shooting supply also in .25 and really like it even though it has a pretty good bark. I just did a chrony test tonight and am getting 38 shots per fill with the JSB Kings flying at 900-910fps. I turned down the hammer spring to about 850fps but didn't get a chance to see how many more shots I can get.
Heya Mike; is 850fps as low as you could go with the external hammer spring adjustment..?
No, I don't think that is as low as it'll go. Going to 850 was from two full turns counter clockwise. I haven't had a chance to adjust it further out and check velocities. From what I've read though, backing it out further will only marginally reduce speeds and that cutting a coil off the hammer spring might be a better option. I just don't feel comfortable doing that without a replacement spring just in case I cut too much off.
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Makes sense Mike; thanks for the info..!
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I recieved mine from Wes about a week ago and I'm really liking it. It's in. 22 cal like yours. So far it has been very accurate with 17.5 grain NSA slugs at around 915 fps. It is far from broken in yet but even so the reg has been very consistent right from the start . Mine came set at about 140 bar and I have the hammer spring backed all the way out to shoot the 17 grain slugs. So it will definitely sling some heavier ones! I will say that you should pull the breach off when you receive yours and tighten all screws. .
Mine had the cocking lug on the bolt backing out and causing some issues after just a few mags.. there were a few other one that were loose as well..
But after I tightened everything up all has been well and Its getting alot of attention while I wait on my raptor mini to arrive!
How much of a deal is it to remove the breach? Will I require degassing to do so? Can't seem to find much info as far as disassembly Or regulator adjusting (this one is regulated). Not much on youtube either. (in english that is, there seems to be more in Spanish)
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David you might try asking Wes if there is a PDF exploded view of the M11 available, hopefully he chimes in on this thread to give you pointers on degassing this gun. There are several other people on this forum that have the M10 and they might be able to help you with how they're degassing theirs. I do have the PDF for the M10 which is basically the same as yours except yours of course has the regulator and multishot breech I think. I'll uploade the PDF here as an attachment.
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David you might try asking Wes if there is a PDF exploded view of the M11 available, hopefully he chimes in on this thread to give you pointers on degassing this gun. There are several other people on this forum that have the M10 and they might be able to help you with how they're degassing theirs. I do have the PDF for the M10 which is basically the same as yours except yours of course has the regulator and multishot breech I think. I'll uploade the PDF here as an attachment.
Thanks Wayne. From what I have read you have to dry fire until empty. The PDF is great thanks. The diag in the manual is very small and low quality therefore difficult to see and the one in the manual is also only of the M10.
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David you might try asking Wes if there is a PDF exploded view of the M11 available, hopefully he chimes in on this thread to give you pointers on degassing this gun. There are several other people on this forum that have the M10 and they might be able to help you with how they're degassing theirs. I do have the PDF for the M10 which is basically the same as yours except yours of course has the regulator and multishot breech I think. I'll uploade the PDF here as an attachment.
Thanks Wayne. From what I have read you have to dry fire until empty. The PDF is great thanks. The diag in the manual is very small and low quality therefore difficult to see and the one in the manual is also only of the M10.
I'm not familiar with the M10/m11, but most pcp's can be degassed by removing the hammer spring and replacing it with something solid acting as a spacer, then tighten the hammer spring adjuster against the spacer to open the valve. A 1/4;hex screwdriver bit works perfectly in my P15's. If your m11 has a small set screw with a ball behind it as a degas port I recommend against using it as they are very finicky and difficult to get to seal...
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That M11 type II is very tempting at the price that Wes is getting for it plus I have three mags for my SPA M16 already which are interchangeable with the M11 II, I can also screw the LDC from my M16 right on that gun as well. That's a really hard deal to beat especially as smooth as I'm hearing the bolt works on those. On my M16 there's a air release screw that's called simply "Plug" that you just loosen to let the air out.
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That M11 type II is very tempting at the price that Wes is getting for it plus I have three mags for my SPA M16 already which are interchangeable with the M11 II, I can also screw the LDC from my M16 right on that gun as well. That's a really hard deal to beat especially as smooth as I'm hearing the bolt works on those. On my M16 there's a air release screw that's called simply "Plug" that you just loosen to let the air out.
Yes the price is right plus getting a second spare mag sweetened the pot. The bolt is very smooth cocking. I have a QB Chief (which I really like) and it is a lot stiffer to operate though not unusable by any means. Does the "plug" look like this.
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Couple more pics.
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#34 on this exploded view is where the plug is on the M16
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thanks Wayne. :D
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IIRC, some folks bought M-10s a while back and folks tuned them to some very high power levels.
It seems just about all the SPA rifles respond very well to power tuning.
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IIRC, some folks bought M-10s a while back and folks tuned them to some very high power levels.
It seems just about all the SPA rifles respond very well to power tuning.
That's what I have been reading too. One of the reasons this was on my radar. Haven't had much time to play yet. Kinda busy time of year with family visiting, etc. Looking ahead doesn't look well weather wise for me either. >:(
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If you haven't already done so, there is no need to degas to remove the breach..
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David you might try asking Wes if there is a PDF exploded view of the M11 available, hopefully he chimes in on this thread to give you pointers on degassing this gun. There are several other people on this forum that have the M10 and they might be able to help you with how they're degassing theirs. I do have the PDF for the M10 which is basically the same as yours except yours of course has the regulator and multishot breech I think. I'll uploade the PDF here as an attachment.
Thanks Wayne. From what I have read you have to dry fire until empty. The PDF is great thanks. The diag in the manual is very small and low quality therefore difficult to see and the one in the manual is also only of the M10.
I'm not familiar with the M10/m11, but most pcp's can be degassed by removing the hammer spring and replacing it with something solid acting as a spacer, then tighten the hammer spring adjuster against the spacer to open the valve. A 1/4;hex screwdriver bit works perfectly in my P15's. If your m11 has a small set screw with a ball behind it as a degas port I recommend against using it as they are very finicky and difficult to get to seal...
Hey, missed this one this morning. Thanks good idea. Thanks for the heads up on degas port.
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If you haven't already done so, there is no need to degas to remove the breach..
I haven't yet, been gone all day. Thanks for that. I was thinking it didn't but having not been inside this one yet wanted to see from someone who has been. :D
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Ok, so. Had some time today to really check out the new rifle. After a couple mags of sighting scope and testing a few pellets bolt started to not want to go into home lock position. Pulled the rifle down and yes the screw was coming out on the bolt. Cleaned everything up, degreased the threads on the screw and applied some blue loctite. While apart cut about 1/2 cm from hammer spring. Now I can loosen hammer adjustment to where there is no spring tension and hammer actually has about .030" play and plenty of adjustment to increase tension as required. (waiting for a bright day to shoot over Chronograph) Much better as air in main tube not dropping so much with each shot and a tad quieter (The hammer was under quite a bit of tension before clipping the spring). I am putting pics of what I found and spring length before and after cutting. Camera wasn't straight in last shot so looks kinda funky to me. Loctited every screw while reassembling (which really should have been down a factory). Should be nice now and ready for fine tuning of hammer spring tension whenever I can set up Chronograph and spend some time.
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Managed a little time on the Chronograph today. With the spring clipped 1/2 cm shorter than stock and adjuster set so there is about .030" - .060" free play between hammer and spring I am averaging 850 fps with 18.21 grain H&N hunter pellets. Shot 4 full mags (44 shots) and main reservoir was right about reg setpoint. (140 -150 bar - gauge isn't super high res). I think that is pretty good for now. It seems to be quite accurate at up to 30 yards but a bit shotgun ish at 40 -50 yards (furthest I have shot for groups so far). Could be the pellets they are hollow point. Though I tried JSB 18.13 and (for s*&^s and giggles) Crosman Premier HP and didn't seem to fair much better. I could actually see the CPHP spiral just before hitting at 50 yards (The sun was behind me and lighting them up just nicely). Will try a few others I have kicking around as time permits before getting to concerned or involved in discovering cause. It is more accurate with the single shot tray then magazine however. Wonder if my barrel from the QB Chief is compatible as it shoots a near single hole at the same range with all the above pellets (slightly different POI between pellet types but near single hole grouping). Anyway just wanted to keep those who may be interested updated. Hoping next week I can get more time in. Rifle may still be settling in too. Also as a side note I noticed that Huma makes a direct replacement regulator for this rifle. 8)
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I also have a stainless steel (316) fill probe that I'll be using for mine when I get it, I bought it for my PP700SA because the fill probe that came with it was way too soft and not holding up well. I wonder if the threads for the LDC are 1/2"NPT ???