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Any thoughts on the Hatsan Neutron Star?
Saw a vid on YouTube from Airgun Depot on it. Looks promising.
https://youtu.be/1VZuIvl1Occ
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I liked the Nova Star better ;)
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I have a NovaStar, not sure why they changed the name, but if you look at the fine print for the refurbished NeutronStar on the HatsanUSA website, it says:
† Note: Depending upon product availability, item may be marked as “NovaStar”. Products are otherwise identical.
I purchased mine as a refurb and it does say NovaStar. I had to replace the trigger, which Hatsan did under warranty, and now it's working great. Very accurate rifle!
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I have the NovaStar in .22. Don’t know why they changed the name. But the gun is very accurate. I did polish the hammer and have it set to push the 25grain JSB RDs for a average 892fps 24 spread for 66 shots. I have had the 25s pushing 990fps but my curve was more of a cliff. The gun is very loud without a mod and not back yard friendly. I put a DonnieFL Tanto on it and thought it was broke the first time I pulled the trigger. Lol. It really was that quiet.
Butch
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They changed the name because of a copyright issue. Kral had to change the name of their Nemesis PCP to Knight for the same reason.
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Trademark attorneys create some high comedy.
Recently Lagunitas Brewing sued Sierra Nevada for using the letters IPA, which is a whole category of brews most certainly not invented by Lagunitas (backed out due to bad response from community).
Nissan sued Audi for using the letter Q as Audi model designation, which Audi had been using since the 80's Quattro.
Attorneys have no shame, just billable hours, and a load of guile (without the clever bits).
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They changed the name because of a copyright issue. Kral had to change the name of their Nemesis PCP to Knight for the same reason.
Many thanks for the insight on the name change.
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Trademark attorneys create some high comedy.
Recently Lagunitas Brewing sued Sierra Nevada for using the letters IPA, which is a whole category of brews most certainly not invented by Lagunitas (backed out due to bad response from community).
Nissan sued Audi for using the letter Q as Audi model designation, which Audi had been using since the 80's Quattro.
Attorneys have no shame, just billable hours, and a load of guile (without the clever bits).
Just think to be a lawyer when our country was founded was a noble profession :o
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I have the NovaStar in .22. Don’t know why they changed the name. But the gun is very accurate. I did polish the hammer and have it set to push the 25grain JSB RDs for a average 892fps 24 spread for 66 shots. I have had the 25s pushing 990fps but my curve was more of a cliff. The gun is very loud without a mod and not back yard friendly. I put a DonnieFL Tanto on it and thought it was broke the first time I pulled the trigger. Lol. It really was that quiet.
Butch
Did you use a .30 cal or a .25 cal donny fl?
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Trademark attorneys create some high comedy.
Recently Lagunitas Brewing sued Sierra Nevada for using the letters IPA, which is a whole category of brews most certainly not invented by Lagunitas (backed out due to bad response from community).
Nissan sued Audi for using the letter Q as Audi model designation, which Audi had been using since the 80's Quattro.
Attorneys have no shame, just billable hours, and a load of guile (without the clever bits).
Just think to be a lawyer when our country was founded was a noble profession :o
This may not be right but coming from someone who does most thier reviews they changed the name bc in their line of power shotguns they had a name with nova. So they changed the air rifle. Again this may not be correct but what i read, heard watched lol..
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Trademark attorneys create some high comedy.
Recently Lagunitas Brewing sued Sierra Nevada for using the letters IPA, which is a whole category of brews most certainly not invented by Lagunitas (backed out due to bad response from community).
Nissan sued Audi for using the letter Q as Audi model designation, which Audi had been using since the 80's Quattro.
Attorneys have no shame, just billable hours, and a load of guile (without the clever bits).
Just think to be a lawyer when our country was founded was a noble profession :o
This may not be right but coming from someone who does most thier reviews they changed the name bc in their line of power shotguns they had a name with nova. So they changed the air rifle. Again this may not be correct but what i read, heard watched lol..
Yep, I saw that same video, the flaw in that theory is the fact they had the Nova for a number of years before the NovaStar came into being! I know nothing about their Shotgun line, so I have no idea what names they have attached to them...
This same reviewer also stated the .22 Neutron Star was an awesome slug rifle! Well, I'm here to tell ya, my will stack JSB Kings, Jumbos and Hades all day long at between 975-1035 fps, but when I shoot slugs of comparable weights at comparable velocities, the targets look like I'm shooting one of their Shotguns! :o
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Trademark attorneys create some high comedy.
Recently Lagunitas Brewing sued Sierra Nevada for using the letters IPA, which is a whole category of brews most certainly not invented by Lagunitas (backed out due to bad response from community).
Nissan sued Audi for using the letter Q as Audi model designation, which Audi had been using since the 80's Quattro.
Attorneys have no shame, just billable hours, and a load of guile (without the clever bits).
Just think to be a lawyer when our country was founded was a noble profession :o
This may not be right but coming from someone who does most thier reviews they changed the name bc in their line of power shotguns they had a name with nova. So they changed the air rifle. Again this may not be correct but what i read, heard watched lol..
Yep, I saw that same video, the flaw in that theory is the fact they had the Nova for a number of years before the NovaStar came into being! I know nothing about their Shotgun line, so I have no idea what names they have attached to them...
This same reviewer also stated the .22 Neutron Star was an awesome slug rifle! Well, I'm here to tell ya, my will stack JSB Kings, Jumbos and Hades all day long at between 975-1035 fps, but when I shoot slugs of comparable weights at comparable velocities, the targets look like I'm shooting one of their Shotguns! :o
HAHA yeah that video. Well another questions since you have one. I am looking at buying one but cant decide on .22 vs .25. i hand pump currently and have no issue if it takes longer than the 160 cc tank i had at 200 bar. Backyard pests, birds, squirels, random coon or opossum, crows and such. I have a donny fl sumo in a .25 but not sure about clipping and so forth. originally purchased a .22 in another rifle bad had all sorts of issues with 2 so sending the second replacement back.
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Steve at AEAC has done an extensive review on the Neutron Star. Sounds like it's a real slug lover.
They changed the name because it shared a name with one of their shotguns. It was causing confusion with some of their dealers, regarding parts orders.
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Steve at AEAC has done an extensive review on the Neutron Star. Sounds like it's a real slug lover.
They changed the name because it shared a name with one of their shotguns. It was causing confusion with some of their dealers, regarding parts orders.
Yeah I watched the video. Needing to do something in next few days. Currently the .22 is on abxk order that’s the reason I was looking at the .25. Trying to see what benefit or if it would hurt me more for what I do with it.
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Josh, mine is a .22 and I have a .25 cal DonnyFL Koi on it. I also have a .25 cal Tatsu (Short version of the Sumo) and sound is about the same from both. They do quiet it down considerably. I will say it produces about the same amount of power as my .25 Galatian, but that's regulated and tuned for a better shot count. I prefer .22 just because I don't shoot anything bigger than an occasional squirrel and mostly rats and mice, so a .25 is really overkill. Plus, the .22 pellets are more economical. It really loves the AA diablo pellet in both weights!
I did purchase mine direct from Hatsan USA as a refurb. I did have to have the trigger replaced and had to tighten a number of screws, but since getting all that worked out, it's settling in to be a real tack driver with the JSB and AA pellets.
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Josh, mine is a .22 and I have a .25 cal DonnyFL Koi on it. I also have a .25 cal Tatsu (Short version of the Sumo) and sound is about the same from both. They do quiet it down considerably. I will say it produces about the same amount of power as my .25 Galatian, but that's regulated and tuned for a better shot count. I prefer .22 just because I don't shoot anything bigger than an occasional squirrel and mostly rats and mice, so a .25 is really overkill. Plus, the .22 pellets are more economical. It really loves the AA diablo pellet in both weights!
I did purchase mine direct from Hatsan USA as a refurb. I did have to have the trigger replaced and had to tighten a number of screws, but since getting all that worked out, it's settling in to be a real tack driver with the JSB and AA pellets.
Dang
Now I wish it was in stock in a .22 lol.
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Where are you looking? HatsanUSA has them in stock, but they don't have any sales going at the moment. They seem to be completely out of stock of the refurbs though, which the the route I took. You can always sign up to receive a notification when the refurbs are back in stock, that's how I got mine. $599.99 for a return vice $889.99 for new...
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Where are you looking? HatsanUSA has them in stock, but they don't have any sales going at the moment. They seem to be completely out of stock of the refurbs though, which the the route I took. You can always sign up to receive a notification when the refurbs are back in stock, that's how I got mine. $599.99 for a return vice $889.99 for new...
Having to go through pyramid air since everything I got was from there and that’s where I have to send the screwed up hatsan flash back too. Then they will send me a new rifle once they see tracking on the one I send abxk. Just pay difference.
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I got one in .177 when they had them on sale for 45% off. I tried a few pellets and it did not seem to take to any of them. I was sure JSB heavies would do well. I did not try slugs.
It's currently in pieces to have a 12.7mm OD TJ 16.5" pellet barrel fitted. in 22 caliber.
The original .177 barrel and shroud were astoundingly heavy. I'll weigh them on a better scale when I get them back. I have no need for a 24" barrel, though. Or the extra mass the 16mm OD + 4mm thick steel shroud added.
Does anyone know if the hammer spring is adjustable?
It looked like to me the hammer has a stop screw in the receiver tube side-wall. It's just a regular screw, and it had been flattened on one side by repeated hammer impact. I figure it's to stop over-travel, and work to aid in consistent velocity. Just seems very crude.
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Where are you looking? HatsanUSA has them in stock, but they don't have any sales going at the moment. They seem to be completely out of stock of the refurbs though, which the the route I took. You can always sign up to receive a notification when the refurbs are back in stock, that's how I got mine. $599.99 for a return vice $889.99 for new...
Having to go through pyramid air since everything I got was from there and that’s where I have to send the screwed up hatsan flash back too. Then they will send me a new rifle once they see tracking on the one I send abxk. Just pay difference.
Gotcha, hopefully, they will get some in stock soon. I know the .22 I have is a laser.
I got one in .177 when they had them on sale for 45% off. I tried a few pellets and it did not seem to take to any of them. I was sure JSB heavies would do well. I did not try slugs.
It's currently in pieces to have a 12.7mm OD TJ 16.5" pellet barrel fitted. in 22 caliber.
The original .177 barrel and shroud were astoundingly heavy. I'll weigh them on a better scale when I get them back. I have no need for a 24" barrel, though. Or the extra mass the 16mm OD + 4mm thick steel shroud added.
Does anyone know if the hammer spring is adjustable?
It looked like to me the hammer has a stop screw in the receiver tube side-wall. It's just a regular screw, and it had been flattened on one side by repeated hammer impact. I figure it's to stop over-travel, and work to aid in consistent velocity. Just seems very crude.
You know, I thought it adjusted the same as the AT44's. It's been a while since I had mine apart, but I thought I had backed it off a bit because it was shooting so hat. It's still shooting hot, and I thought I backed it off as far as it would go, so if there an adjustment, it's not much!
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You know, I thought it adjusted the same as the AT44's. It's been a while since I had mine apart, but I thought I had backed it off a bit because it was shooting so hat. It's still shooting hot, and I thought I backed it off as far as it would go, so if there an adjustment, it's not much!
Hmmm.. I havn't looked or tried yet.
I thought I recall people saying the nova had external hammer adjustment? (not nova star) Or at least adjustment that was accessible without having to remove the stock? I figured the star would have had the gesture, too. ::)
I imagine I'll be cutting my hammer spring a bit. Might save the wishbone debouncer from grenading. It seems some people have an issue with that, and others don't. I havn't been able to dig up a real root cause for that failure. But I figure I'll resolve it when/if it comes to it.
I figure maybe they're failing because Hatsan is cranking their guns up so hot, because that's what's selling? More tension, pressure, impact. Launch a hammer at a high pressure valve as hard as you can, and then try to use some forks riding on a pin in the receiver block to catch it real quick. Either the fork(s) is/are tearing up, or the pin they ride on is destroying people's receivers.
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There is a hammer stop screw, which always ends up beat to death. You can get rid of that and put a piece of 1/10 scale nitro rc car fuel tubing in a loop between the brass and hammer. That will provide a stop and a buffer for the hammer. It will significantly quieten the shot cycle and aid a bit in efficiency. I did that mod to AT44s with great results. The hammer spring is adjustable, just like the one on an AT44. You have a stop hole that you insert something into to keep the hammer from spinning, then you use a long 4mm allen through the rear to adjust the HS with the grub screw inside the hammer. It is a little counter intuitive, so CW decreases speed and CCW increases speed ;)
Some of the stocks come with a hole already in them to insert something to stop the hammer from rotating while adjusting, and some don't. I can't remember which ones do and don't though. You can just take the two screws out of the stock, remove the action and adjust it that way. It does take a rather long 4mm allen to reach that grub screw in the hammer, fyi.
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One of the first things I did when I got it was replace the 2 piece debounce part with the one that's riveted together. Thus far, no problems!
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There is a hammer stop screw, which always ends up beat to death. You can get rid of that and put a piece of 1/10 scale nitro rc car fuel tubing in a loop between the brass and hammer. That will provide a stop and a buffer for the hammer. It will significantly quieten the shot cycle and aid a bit in efficiency. I did that mod to AT44s with great results. The hammer spring is adjustable, just like the one on an AT44. You have a stop hole that you insert something into to keep the hammer from spinning, then you use a long 4mm allen through the rear to adjust the HS with the grub screw inside the hammer. It is a little counter intuitive, so CW decreases speed and CCW increases speed ;)
Some of the stocks come with a hole already in them to insert something to stop the hammer from rotating while adjusting, and some don't. I can't remember which ones do and don't though. You can just take the two screws out of the stock, remove the action and adjust it that way. It does take a rather long 4mm allen to reach that grub screw in the hammer, fyi.
I just got my new Nova Star .177 (New Old Stock) today. I got a screaming deal from Amazon. I guess it was a one day blow out sale or something.
Anyway, I also have the AT-44 and it's probably one of my all time favorites. I shoot it more than my HW100. I'm curious about the fuel tubing mod you're talking about. I have not had a chance to shoot it, yet but it is one of the most comfortable, well balanced rifles I've ever held. It almost feels weightless.
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The fuel tubing mod is pretty easy to do. You just need a piece of 1/10 or 1/8 scale rc car fuel tubing about 2.25" long. Just roll that up and put it in front of the hammer, and remove that hammer stop screw. It won't go anywhere, and it will quieten down the shot cycle and possibly help with efficiency(depending on tune).