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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: joer on December 01, 2019, 09:26:49 PM
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I just ordered another PROD and am on the hunt for short range sights for pesting fox squirrels. We are talking 5-10ft. Any suggestions? There is a Japanese maple tree just outside a balcony on my home that the little guys are feasting on. They also mistake my Christmas lights for food on the same tree.
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Red dot sight! The BSA is awesome for $30
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Not bad this one, either.
https://www.crosman.com/holiday-2019/optics/multi-tac-quick-aim-sight (https://www.crosman.com/holiday-2019/optics/multi-tac-quick-aim-sight)
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I have never tried to zero anything that close. I say hang a Christmas light near the end of the muzzle. Come chew on this. :D
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I have never tried to zero anything that close. I say hang a Christmas light near the end of the muzzle. Come chew on this. :D
That thought has crossed my mind.
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You want something like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ade-RD3-015-Zantitium-Red-Dot-Reflex-Pistol-Sight-with-40000-Hours-Battery-Life/332874780189?hash=item4d80e20e1d:g:ggEAAOSwiSZdJjE4 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ade-RD3-015-Zantitium-Red-Dot-Reflex-Pistol-Sight-with-40000-Hours-Battery-Life/332874780189?hash=item4d80e20e1d:g:ggEAAOSwiSZdJjE4)
I have Burris fastfire III and a Vortex venom on my pistols same concept just way more expensive . I should have bought the cheaper versions , my astigmatism can’t tell the difference between 2 MOA or 10 MOA .hahaha
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I've never tried to shoot anything that close either, but for that range I would at least think about an open sight. Of course this requires mounting a front sight on the PROD, and I would think about a peep sight for the rear with a fairly large hole. One issue you may find shooting at that close range is getting the sight adjusted so the shot does not go lower than where you are sighting. With open sights, this requires a rear sight that is higher than the front sight, so make sure that rear sight can be adjusted high enough. I would think a peep sight can be adjusted to hit at 5 or 10 feet . A red dot sight may be an easier solution as long as it can be adjusted for that short of a distance. I'm not sure about that.
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Red dot..
5-10 ft??
How about a baseball bat?
Or a #7 golf club?
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Look for the videos 1721 did on the Prod. He did some pretty fancy shooting, read accurate, with the Prod without any sights on the gun. at the really close range you need to shoot, I bet that a days practice without the sights would turn out to work just fine for you.
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Shots like that have come up occasionally, but I've never set an optical sighted pistol just for that range.
Becasue of the sight line/bore line miss-match, the shots would be low. Sight line closer to bore line would be a help (low iron sights would be a close as you could get).
You certainly can set up a sacope or red dot for that 10 foot range.....but it will be shooting quite high at normal ranges (for that matter,would be a noticable change between 6-7 feet and 13- 15 feet).
With rifles (and I'll count trhe P-Rod in a stock with them), with a low power scope sighted in for normal ranges, shots would still be in the scope's field of view...just way low. Most scopes aren't really focused at 5-10 feet,but the low-low powered ones (varaibles with a bottom end of like 1.3-2X) are normally useful.
Think I'd just try sighting in whatever sight you are using to get as close as mounting/adjustments would let you.
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How about pistol style laser?
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I had another thought. Put a shotgun bead at the muzzle end of the shroud, and another smaller bead further back, just like some shotguns have. Line them up. That's the lowest sight you can get so closest to the bore.
I ordered a $230 PROD too, just like you.
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I have a UTG reflex sight on my P-rod, using a 11mm to weaver adapter. Entire cost is under 100 bucks. Very fast and accurate.
Roachcreek
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If you are only shooting at that set distance one of these do the short range jobs nicely. I have 2 of them according to amazon :-\ I have them set for the short range work to assist other sights/ scopes.
https://www.amazon.com/Pinty-Hunting-Rifle-Adjustable-Mounts/dp/B019Q05CNY/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia?crid=3QKGLWFX6W7ZV&keywords=green+laser+sight&pd_rd_i=B019Q05CNY&pd_rd_r=b95cd05b-bbf8-4275-8023-73fd3126e727&pd_rd_w=Fllbx&pd_rd_wg=vVpEH&pf_rd_p=1cb3f32a-ccfd-479b-8a13-b22f56c942c6&pf_rd_r=X581YN3TWPQ8PHM1TCZ9&psc=1&qid=1575304216&sprefix=green+laser%2Caps%2C210 (https://www.amazon.com/Pinty-Hunting-Rifle-Adjustable-Mounts/dp/B019Q05CNY/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia?crid=3QKGLWFX6W7ZV&keywords=green+laser+sight&pd_rd_i=B019Q05CNY&pd_rd_r=b95cd05b-bbf8-4275-8023-73fd3126e727&pd_rd_w=Fllbx&pd_rd_wg=vVpEH&pf_rd_p=1cb3f32a-ccfd-479b-8a13-b22f56c942c6&pf_rd_r=X581YN3TWPQ8PHM1TCZ9&psc=1&qid=1575304216&sprefix=green+laser%2Caps%2C210)
Light them up and have a merry Christmas 8)
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The Bug Buster on my Prod does 5 yds nicely murder close rats
Bob
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Joe
Right now I'm running a Pinty 3x9x32 A.O. Tactical, on my P-Rod. Amazon Special for $36.79 and love it. You can dial down to 4x or 5x and shoot up close no problem, or 9x for 20 to 30 yards. Perfect P-Rod companion, compact & lightweight.
(Pinty 3-9X32 AO Mil-Dot Tactical Rifle Scope Optics Optical Scope for Hunting with Aircraft-Grade Aluminum Alloy Tube, Waterproof Fog Proof)
Have also used cheaper 2-MOA red dot. Several offered in the $30 to $75 range. These are a sweet match for a P-Rod for closer work, 5-20 yards. Super light, fast target acquisition (moving squirrel) and you can keep both eyes open, a real plus on those pesky little critters.
(Feyachi RDS-22 Micro Red Dot Sight - 2 MOA Compact Red Dot Scope 1 x 22mm)
You'll be happy with either one.
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Ill take a good dot sight over a laser any day. or both ;D
10 ft pole might be an option also ;)
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5-10 feet?!
A prod is over kill... i sudjest using a daisy buck bb rifle. They are perfect.
The only problem is Eastern Fox Squirrels are tough. I ordered an SS valve to get the power up a bit and am still waiting on it. My MROD does fine on them. The PROD is right on the edge.
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Thanks for all the input guys.
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The Prod will knock the heck out of the squirrels. Turning up the power takes you into coons and opossums for sure. Look at getting an LDC from Rocker1. He does custom shrouds too if needed.
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I've had this sight for a couple of years now, and it works very well. It's lightweight and fairly low profile, but it doesn't hinder visual on the target much at all.
https://www.amazon.com/Feyachi-Reflex-Sight-Adjustable-Reticle/dp/B01HPWATOC/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=red+Dot+sight&qid=1575398483&sr=8-8 (https://www.amazon.com/Feyachi-Reflex-Sight-Adjustable-Reticle/dp/B01HPWATOC/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=red+Dot+sight&qid=1575398483&sr=8-8)
However, you'll need to use these adapters to for it on the PRod
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B007BNHFLQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=weaver+to+picatinny+rail+adapter&qid=1575398919&sprefix=Weaver+to&sr=8-5 (https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B007BNHFLQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=weaver+to+picatinny+rail+adapter&qid=1575398919&sprefix=Weaver+to&sr=8-5)
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Something like this would be great!!
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Reflex-Micro-Single-Adaptive/dp/B07H1BM46Q/ref=sr_1_2?crid=14S7MXV4RLZBV&dchild=1&keywords=utg+micro+red+dot&qid=1575407428&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sprefix=utg+micro%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-2 (https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Reflex-Micro-Single-Adaptive/dp/B07H1BM46Q/ref=sr_1_2?crid=14S7MXV4RLZBV&dchild=1&keywords=utg+micro+red+dot&qid=1575407428&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sprefix=utg+micro%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-2)
Along with this adapter -
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007BNHFLQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007BNHFLQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Generations of airgunners have been killing short range squirrels with Sheridan/Benjmain/Crosman MSP's which (in factory form) only make about 12 foot pounds. That energy level still works at he same short range.
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Just don't shoot too close and let it bounce back and put you eye out ::) ::)
Bob
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Let me go check the freezer.....
Nope...squirrels are still dead. MIght be playing the ultimate game of possum,as they let me skin,gut, wash,quarter, bag,and freeze them without making a break for it.
But I'll pop the freezer door open now and again to try and catch them recovering from being 12 foot pound hunted.
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Like I said my squirrels are tough and they cause a lot of home damage. My neighborhood was developed 25 years ago and live oak trees planted throughout. Folks like me added a lot of ornamental cherry trees to our landscape. Little did we know back then that we created a squirrel utopia. The squirrels have pretty much a year round food source and our mild climate helped their population expand. Eastern fox squirrels are great acrobats. The can jump 16 feet between homes and trees. Once our trees grew large maybe ten years ago, they were no longer prey to coyotes and household dogs. This is when our problems began. They got into our roofs and attics started destroying wiring and fire sprinkler pipes. Plugging existing places where they were getting in did not help. The over population of squirrels then resorted to lifting concrete roof tiles and boring through the plywood. This is when my squirrel wars began.
I started catching and releasing the squirrels (30 miles away) using Havahart traps. After two years of this, they would not go in the traps any longer. Snares worked for a while but they got wise to them too. I then started using a Crosman backpacker .177 with Beeman silver arrows. That worked for a while. I lost count at around 250 squirrels removed over the last ten years using all of the above methods. Each generation it seemed got a little smarter and tougher to kill. Natural selection? I used an MROD for a while but it was a bit too conspicuous. I then moved over to the PROD but with JSB Jumbo Exacts. This setup produces around 13 FPE but it seemed to be not enough. Most die right away but several ran away with upper body wounds. I am hoping that the addition of the JSR SS balance valve will get the power up enough to drop them each time.
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Will give you that...the big-red squirrels of Va. are about 2-3X larger than the little gray tree squirrels I get down here in the swamps (way-south Lousiana)...but inside of 20-25 yards, the typical PO-Rod .22 14-17 foot pounds seemed to do as well on one as the other.
If you want to crank a P-Rod up to higher energy (fewer shots) it's OK by me...really aren't that many squirrels to shoot in a given afternoon to make shot count the ultimate guide.
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I finally bought one of these since it came with a dovetail mount:
TACFUN Red and Green Reflex Sight
xxx.amazon.com/gp/product/B0160EFOKA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I finally bought one of these since it came with a dovetail mount:
TACFUN Red and Green Reflex Sight
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0160EFOKA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0160EFOKA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
You could have saved $5 and gotten a useful adapter if you had gone my route
I've had this sight for a couple of years now, and it works very well. It's lightweight and fairly low profile, but it doesn't hinder visual on the target much at all.
https://www.amazon.com/Feyachi-Reflex-Sight-Adjustable-Reticle/dp/B01HPWATOC/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=red+Dot+sight&qid=1575398483&sr=8-8 (https://www.amazon.com/Feyachi-Reflex-Sight-Adjustable-Reticle/dp/B01HPWATOC/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=red+Dot+sight&qid=1575398483&sr=8-8)
However, you'll need to use these adapters to for it on the PRod
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B007BNHFLQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=weaver+to+picatinny+rail+adapter&qid=1575398919&sprefix=Weaver+to&sr=8-5 (https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B007BNHFLQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=weaver+to+picatinny+rail+adapter&qid=1575398919&sprefix=Weaver+to&sr=8-5)