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40 Bullpups Photo Comparison Chart – For Size and Looks
(the photo chart is at the end of this text)
If we believe what’s in the internets..., then “a bullpup is a firearm* with its action and magazine behind the trigger. This creates shorter weapons in comparison to rifles with the same size of gun barrel. This means the advantages of a longer barrel such as muzzle velocity and accuracy are retained while reducing the overall size and weight of the weapon.”
That’s why I like bullpups (and no, you don’t have to like them, as there’s plenty of space in the airguniverse for bullpup haters and bullpup lovers to kill pests, game, target cards, and paint balls in peace and unity).
I want my air rifle to be as short as possible, yet without sacrificing power or shot count when compared to a regular sized rifle. That way I can backpack it, take it vacationing on a plane in a non-oversized suitcase, shoot it unencumbered by confined spaces like my car or a hide, or use concealed carry to avoid needlessly spooking the ever-present paranoid among my city’s 10 million.
So, in my extensive travels across the vast expanse of the internets, I have collected a bunch of them, and their stats, and today I just want to show you a comparison – in looks and in size, in a photo chart. It has helped me see what’s out there, and make a better purchase decision. Maybe it helps you some as well...?! :)
WHAT YOU GET
A list of 40 bullpups.
With their picture.
Sorted according to their OAL (overall length, in imperial and metric).
I’ll try to add to this list as I feel like it and the weather is good.
SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PICS AND SIZES, AND SOME DISCLAIMERS
● The measurements are for: .22cal | silenced/moderated | bullpups
Note that some .25 offerings are significantly longer (e.g., FX Wildcat).
Sometimes a lower powered version is shorter (e.g., it hurts my heart not to include the Walther Reign**)
● The measurements are for bullpups with shroud or with silencer (“moderator”). For those that want it really short and don’t care about the much louder noise, some manufacturers also offer their bullpups without the shroud (e.g., Hatsan Flashpup, Gamo Furia, Weihrauch HW 100 BP-K, Walther Reign). Of course, with many bullpups you can just remove the shroud and reduce its size.
● I personally like synthetic stocks, and if I can’t get that, at least painted black. So, the pics all have that feature – if I was able to find one.
● The photo chart is sorted – from shortest to longest.
● At the end of this text there is a list sorted according to the brand name.
● All pics are side views. Some pics I had to flip horizontally around to have it point into the same direction as the other guns. Sorry, that way you don’t get to see the side lever....
● The lengths are rounded to the full centimeter.
EXCLUSIONS (Sorry!)
● As I feel the main point of a bullpup is to have a short rifle, I had to draw the line somewhere. I did – at 80cm or around 31".
Anything longer did not make it onto the list. I did include the Huben at 83cm, because it has so many qualities, and they are making full use of the bullpup design not wasting length on a bloated stock. For that same reason I did not include any Brocock as they are half-hearted “semi”-bullpups, much longer than necessary (if their designers just would made up their minds to take full instead of half advantage of the bullpup design!).
The 80cm/31" cutoff means that most of Hatsan’s offerings did not make it onto the list, though I did let the Flashpup squeeze in, as it finally came out in synthetic. But really, Hatsan – to me a BullBoss at 37" (93cm) is just a “regular carbine” with the action behind the trigger – because no regular suitcase, no regular backpack will accommodate it.
● Some manufacturers offer compact, standard, and long versions of the same bullpup (e.g., Taipan, EDgun Matador R5M, Weihrauch HW 100 BP); as long as they were under 31"/ 80cm, they are all listed. Even a semi-bullpup made it into the list because it still is very short.... (Zbroia Kozak Short).
● Some bullpups have been discontinued, so they might not have made the list (EDgun Lelya Mk1).
● Sorry, the Evanix Rainstorm 3D Bullpup is with its 27.0" (69cm) quite short, but – in my eyes – it is so unspeakably ugly that it makes my eyes bleed. (Please, don’t take it personal.) Now I don’t have to apologize for leaving out the Benjamin Bulldog – with similarly hemorrhage-inducing aesthetics – because it busts the length limits for this list with its 36".
● I felt the Leshiy with its short 25" / 64cm deserved a space here, since this is a list about short AG, but it’s technically not a bullpup, so for now I left it off.
**● On the Walther Reign (2019)
As great looking and as powerful as it is, but it is not moderated and therefore not feasible in many urban environments – once you calm it down with a 6-inch DonnyFL SUMO or RONIN you hold a 37-inch rifle in your hands, honking 95cm....
Even if we gave up more than half of our muzzle energy, the mid-powered version at 18FPE is still 27" (69cm) loud & long, and adding a TANTO or Hugget Belita we end up with 32" (82cm). Bummer.
Happy drooling, happy clicking that Put-In-Cart button, happy shopping!! Don’t blame me for making you buy more guns than you need, I got my own problems. I’m just trying to be helpful when you chose your next gun. :)
Matthias
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*Yeah, Wikipedia discriminating again against airgunners.... bullpups don’t have to be firearms, mind you. :(
40 Bullpups
Sorted acc. to Brand
(in the graphic the bullpups are sorted acc. to size)
AGT Uragan Compact (OAL: 24.4" = 62cm)
AGT Vulcan 1 (OAL: 26.7" = 68cm)
AGT Vulcan 2 (OAL: 29.8" = 76cm)
AirArms Galahad Carbine (OAL: 27.5" = 70cm)
Artemis [SPA] P10 (OAL: 31" = 79cm)
Artemis [SPA] P15 [= Diana Skyhawk with a much simpler stock] (OAL: 26.6" = 68cm)
Ataman BP17 (OAL: 23.9" = 61cm)
Ataman M2R Bullpup Compact (OAL: 28" = 72cm)
BSA Defiant (OAL: 31" = 78cm)
Cometa Advance (OAL: 28.7" = 73cm)
Cometa Orion BP Gen. 1 (OAL: 27.5" = 70cm)
Cometa Orion BP Mini Gen. 2 (OAL: 24.8" = 63cm)
Cometa Orion BP Gen. 2 (OAL: 28.7" = 73cm)
Daystate Pulsar (OAL: 29.9" = 76cm)
Diana Skyhawk [= Artemis P15, with a sophisticated stock] (OAL: 29" = 74cm)
EDgun Matador R3M (OAL: 29.3" = 74cm)
EDgun Matador R5M (OAL: 27.5" = 70cm)
EDgun Lelya 2.0 (OAL: 23.5" = 60cm)
Evanix Max ML (OAL: 29.3" = 74cm)
FX Bobcat (OAL: 29.5" = 75cm)
FX Dreamline Bullpup (OAL: 29" = 72cm)
FX Impact (OAL: 29.3" = 75cm)
FX Wildcat (OAL: 26.8" = 68cm)
Gamo Furia (OAL: 28.0" = 71cm)
Hatsan BullMaster (OAL: 30.9" = 78cm)
Hatsan Flashpup (OAL: 32" = 82cm)
Huben K1 Gen. 5 (OAL: 32.7" = 83cm)
Kalibrgun Cricket Compact (OAL: 24.4" = 62cm)
Kalibrgun Cricket (OAL: 26.8" = 68cm)
Kral Puncher Breaker (OAL: 29" = 74cm)
Lobo Hound (OAL 28.4" = 72cm)
RTI The Priest 2 (OAL: 27.8" = 71cm)
Taipan Veteran Compact (OAL: 23.6" = 60cm)
Taipan Veteran (OAL: 28" = 71cm)
Steyr Pro X Scout (OAL: 24.8" = 63cm)
Steyr Pro X (OAL: 29.9" = 76cm)
Zbroia Kozak FC Standard (OAL: 27" = 69cm)
Zbroia Kozak FC Long (OAL: 31.1" = 79cm)
Zbroia Kozak [Short] (330/180) (OAL: 28.0" = 71cm)
Weihrauch HW 100 BP-K [Karbine] (OAL: 29.0" = 74cm)
THE LIGHTEST ONES I GOT ON MY LIST ARE THE FOLLOWING
• Artemis (SPA) P15: Weight: 4.6lbs = 2.1kg
• FX Dream Pup: Weight: 5.3lbs = 2.4kg
• Kalibrgun Cricket Compact: Weight: 5.7lbs = 2.6kg
• Diana Skyhawk: Weight: 6.0lbs = 2.7kg
• FX Wildcat MKII: Weight: 6.1lbs = 2.8kg
• EDgun (SPA) Lelya 2.0: Weight: 6.4lbs = 2.9kg
• AGT Uragan Compact: Weight: 6.4lbs = 2.9kg
LINK to HiRes JPG File
https://www.mediafire.com/view/nsil64g13fnmm5x/Bullpups._PICs_and_Sizes._19._Sorted_acc._to_Size._06._HiRes.jpg/file
(https://www.mediafire.com/view/nsil64g13fnmm5x/Bullpups._PICs_and_Sizes._19._Sorted_acc._to_Size._06._HiRes.jpg/file)
FILE ATTACHMENT of LoRes JPG File
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I did not include any Brocock as they are half-hearted “semi”-bullpups, much longer than necessary (if their designers just would made up their minds to take full instead of half advantage of the bullpup design!).
Their design is not a “half-hearted” bull pup. Their designers came up with the semi, because it combines the best features of a carbine and a pup. I guess bull pups are the bomb if you pesting in tight places like from the backseat of an MG Midget? My Bantam Sniper at 34” long gives up “nothing” in practical field handling to the pups. Pups are specialized rigs, that a few prefer. Rifles, carbines, and now semi-bull pups, far outsell pups for many reasons. Many users attach a LDC to them pups, they then start looking like semis, so what’s the point? Then they put massive scopes on them with the scope a mile high? Buying very short guns then trying to shoot long range with massive scopes atop seems counterintuitive. Yes, they are cool, but not as practical as many think they are.
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Does anyone have the width/height measure of a FX Dreamline Bullpup? I'm trying to buy a case and I think a 36" case will work as far as the length. But the height with a scope is what I don't know and none of the websites have even the height or width of it with or without a scope.
thanks,
karmicgumbo
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That's a fantastic reference, Matthias! Thanks for putting that together and posting it.
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Does anyone have the width/height measure of a FX Dreamline Bullpup? I'm trying to buy a case and I think a 36" case will work as far as the length. But the height with a scope is what I don't know and none of the websites have even the height or width of it with or without a scope.
thanks,
karmicgumbo
I can't help you out there, but what I did for my own bullpup, because I was having a heck of a time finding a case wide enough to accommodate it and a scope, was buy this and it has worked perfectly. I added an extra thin sheet of foam on the inside to give it a little more cushion, but it's probably unneeded.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008F68ARG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008F68ARG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Does anyone have the width/height measure of a FX Dreamline Bullpup? I'm trying to buy a case and I think a 36" case will work as far as the length. But the height with a scope is what I don't know and none of the websites have even the height or width of it with or without a scope.
thanks,
karmicgumbo
https://www.saviorequipment.com/products/american-classic-32-double-rifle-case (https://www.saviorequipment.com/products/american-classic-32-double-rifle-case)
Unless you're using a huge diameter scope, Savior bags should fit.
I have this 32" double that fits 2 bullpups.
Removed the center panel for photo-
Bought the double intending on using it to carry 1 pup + fishing gear & fly box or tackle.
Bag has so much space.
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Matthias, very nice work on this!
Thank you!
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Thanks for your hard work on the list. Very informative.
I'm glad you let the Hatsan Flashpup slide in cause I really like mine.
Mark
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Very interesting !
Especially since there is a top ranking on weight as well.
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Pretty cool shot of all those bull pups lined up …
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More Bullpup Comparison Lists.... ;D
I've done some more comparisons and lists as I was narrowing down the field for a bullpup purchase last year.
(1) Some bullpups have a curious feature – I call it the BLOAT STOCK. :o
The foundational idea of a bullpup has always been to produce a SHORT gun.
Some manufacturers seem to have thrown out that foundation and produce bullpups with unnecessarily long stocks.
Find out which guns have bloat stocks, and how many inches they bloated – all in a side-by-side comparison (photos).
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=164024 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=164024)
(2) You think SHORT is not a big deal? This thread anwers the question "WHY SHORT?!?" 8)
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/question-for-bullpup-owners/#post-583404 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/question-for-bullpup-owners/#post-583404)
(3) Can you ever have too much air in your airtube or bottle? – Sorry to ask such a stupid question.... ;D
But it surprised me greatly to see how some bullpup manufacturers design some very ANEMIC AIR TUBES – surely they must think that airgunner don't need all the air they can get.
Here is a photo comparison chart of bullpups that cheat you out of air, and by how much (in inches of airtube length length).
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=164331 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=164331)
(4) It seems like if you fork out 700, 1000, 1500 dollars you'd get a bullpup with at least the basic gun features. Suprise...! >:( Here's an overview of bullpups that lack a feature even AS BASIC AS a safety lever – and if that safety lever is in a quick-to-reach location. Why wouldn't I want that for hunting?!
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156453 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156453)
Have fun! ;D
Matthias
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More Bullpup Comparison Lists.... ;D
(4) It seems like if you fork out 700, 1000, 1500 dollars you'd get a bullpup with at least the basic gun features. Suprise...! >:( Here's an overview of bullpups that lack a feature even AS BASIC AS a safety lever – and if that safety lever is in a quick-to-reach location. Why wouldn't I want that for hunting?!
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156453 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156453)
Have fun! ;D
Matthias
This is my safety lever...
(https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WmYQnYSP/safety.gif)
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Yes, Will, I understand!! ;D (and since I'm German, I like to have it doubly safe – the trigger finger operated by an alert brain – and a safety lever....)
But let's not discuss the philosphy of safety levers on this thread... –– let's discuss bullpups...! ;D
Be well, and shoot well,
Matthias
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40 Bullpups Photo Comparison Chart – For Size and Looks
(the photo chart is at the end of this text)
If we believe what’s in the internets..., then “a bullpup is a firearm* with its action and magazine behind the trigger. This creates shorter weapons in comparison to rifles with the same size of gun barrel. This means the advantages of a longer barrel such as muzzle velocity and accuracy are retained while reducing the overall size and weight of the weapon.”
That’s why I like bullpups (and no, you don’t have to like them, as there’s plenty of space in the airguniverse for bullpup haters and bullpup lovers to kill pests, game, target cards, and paint balls in peace and unity).
I want my air rifle to be as short as possible, yet without sacrificing power or shot count when compared to a regular sized rifle. That way I can backpack it, take it vacationing on a plane in a non-oversized suitcase, shoot it unencumbered by confined spaces like my car or a hide, or use concealed carry to avoid needlessly spooking the ever-present paranoid among my city’s 10 million.
So, in my extensive travels across the vast expanse of the internets, I have collected a bunch of them, and their stats, and today I just want to show you a comparison – in looks and in size, in a photo chart. It has helped me see what’s out there, and make a better purchase decision. Maybe it helps you some as well...?! :)
WHAT YOU GET
A list of 40 bullpups.
With their picture.
Sorted according to their OAL (overall length, in imperial and metric).
I’ll try to add to this list as I feel like it and the weather is good.
SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PICS AND SIZES, AND SOME DISCLAIMERS
● The measurements are for: .22cal | silenced/moderated | bullpups
Note that some .25 offerings are significantly longer (e.g., FX Wildcat).
Sometimes a lower powered version is shorter (e.g., it hurts my heart not to include the Walther Reign**)
● The measurements are for bullpups with shroud or with silencer (“moderator”). For those that want it really short and don’t care about the much louder noise, some manufacturers also offer their bullpups without the shroud (e.g., Hatsan Flashpup, Gamo Furia, Weihrauch HW 100 BP-K, Walther Reign). Of course, with many bullpups you can just remove the shroud and reduce its size.
● I personally like synthetic stocks, and if I can’t get that, at least painted black. So, the pics all have that feature – if I was able to find one.
● The photo chart is sorted – from shortest to longest.
● At the end of this text there is a list sorted according to the brand name.
● All pics are side views. Some pics I had to flip horizontally around to have it point into the same direction as the other guns. Sorry, that way you don’t get to see the side lever....
● The lengths are rounded to the full centimeter.
EXCLUSIONS (Sorry!)
● As I feel the main point of a bullpup is to have a short rifle, I had to draw the line somewhere. I did – at 80cm or around 31".
Anything longer did not make it onto the list. I did include the Huben at 83cm, because it has so many qualities, and they are making full use of the bullpup design not wasting length on a bloated stock. For that same reason I did not include any Brocock as they are half-hearted “semi”-bullpups, much longer than necessary (if their designers just would made up their minds to take full instead of half advantage of the bullpup design!).
The 80cm/31" cutoff means that most of Hatsan’s offerings did not make it onto the list, though I did let the Flashpup squeeze in, as it finally came out in synthetic. But really, Hatsan – to me a BullBoss at 37" (93cm) is just a “regular carbine” with the action behind the trigger – because no regular suitcase, no regular backpack will accommodate it.
● Some manufacturers offer compact, standard, and long versions of the same bullpup (e.g., Taipan, EDgun Matador R5M, Weihrauch HW 100 BP); as long as they were under 31"/ 80cm, they are all listed. Even a semi-bullpup made it into the list because it still is very short.... (Zbroia Kozak Short).
● Some bullpups have been discontinued, so they might not have made the list (EDgun Lelya Mk1).
● Sorry, the Evanix Rainstorm 3D Bullpup is with its 27.0" (69cm) quite short, but – in my eyes – it is so unspeakably ugly that it makes my eyes bleed. (Please, don’t take it personal.) Now I don’t have to apologize for leaving out the Benjamin Bulldog – with similarly hemorrhage-inducing aesthetics – because it busts the length limits for this list with its 36".
● I felt the Leshiy with its short 25" / 64cm deserved a space here, since this is a list about short AG, but it’s technically not a bullpup, so for now I left it off.
**● On the Walther Reign (2019)
As great looking and as powerful as it is, but it is not moderated and therefore not feasible in many urban environments – once you calm it down with a 6-inch DonnyFL SUMO or RONIN you hold a 37-inch rifle in your hands, honking 95cm....
Even if we gave up more than half of our muzzle energy, the mid-powered version at 18FPE is still 27" (69cm) loud & long, and adding a TANTO or Hugget Belita we end up with 32" (82cm). Bummer.
Happy drooling, happy clicking that Put-In-Cart button, happy shopping!! Don’t blame me for making you buy more guns than you need, I got my own problems. I’m just trying to be helpful when you chose your next gun. :)
Matthias
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*Yeah, Wikipedia discriminating again against airgunners.... bullpups don’t have to be firearms, mind you. :(
40 Bullpups
Sorted acc. to Brand
(in the graphic the bullpups are sorted acc. to size)
AGT Uragan Compact (OAL: 24.4" = 62cm)
AGT Vulcan 1 (OAL: 26.7" = 68cm)
AGT Vulcan 2 (OAL: 29.8" = 76cm)
AirArms Galahad Carbine (OAL: 27.5" = 70cm)
Artemis [SPA] P10 (OAL: 31" = 79cm)
Artemis [SPA] P15 [= Diana Skyhawk with a much simpler stock] (OAL: 26.6" = 68cm)
Ataman BP17 (OAL: 23.9" = 61cm)
Ataman M2R Bullpup Compact (OAL: 28" = 72cm)
BSA Defiant (OAL: 31" = 78cm)
Cometa Advance (OAL: 28.7" = 73cm)
Cometa Orion BP Gen. 1 (OAL: 27.5" = 70cm)
Cometa Orion BP Mini Gen. 2 (OAL: 24.8" = 63cm)
Cometa Orion BP Gen. 2 (OAL: 28.7" = 73cm)
Daystate Pulsar (OAL: 29.9" = 76cm)
Diana Skyhawk [= Artemis P15, with a sophisticated stock] (OAL: 29" = 74cm)
EDgun Matador R3M (OAL: 29.3" = 74cm)
EDgun Matador R5M (OAL: 27.5" = 70cm)
EDgun Lelya 2.0 (OAL: 23.5" = 60cm)
Evanix Max ML (OAL: 29.3" = 74cm)
FX Bobcat (OAL: 29.5" = 75cm)
FX Dreamline Bullpup (OAL: 29" = 72cm)
FX Impact (OAL: 29.3" = 75cm)
FX Wildcat (OAL: 26.8" = 68cm)
Gamo Furia (OAL: 28.0" = 71cm)
Hatsan BullMaster (OAL: 30.9" = 78cm)
Hatsan Flashpup (OAL: 32" = 82cm)
Huben K1 Gen. 5 (OAL: 32.7" = 83cm)
Kalibrgun Cricket Compact (OAL: 24.4" = 62cm)
Kalibrgun Cricket (OAL: 26.8" = 68cm)
Kral Puncher Breaker (OAL: 29" = 74cm)
Lobo Hound (OAL 28.4" = 72cm)
RTI The Priest 2 (OAL: 27.8" = 71cm)
Taipan Veteran Compact (OAL: 23.6" = 60cm)
Taipan Veteran (OAL: 28" = 71cm)
Steyr Pro X Scout (OAL: 24.8" = 63cm)
Steyr Pro X (OAL: 29.9" = 76cm)
Zbroia Kozak FC Standard (OAL: 27" = 69cm)
Zbroia Kozak FC Long (OAL: 31.1" = 79cm)
Zbroia Kozak [Short] (330/180) (OAL: 28.0" = 71cm)
Weihrauch HW 100 BP-K [Karbine] (OAL: 29.0" = 74cm)
THE LIGHTEST ONES I GOT ON MY LIST ARE THE FOLLOWING
• Artemis (SPA) P15: Weight: 4.6lbs = 2.1kg
• FX Dream Pup: Weight: 5.3lbs = 2.4kg
• Kalibrgun Cricket Compact: Weight: 5.7lbs = 2.6kg
• Diana Skyhawk: Weight: 6.0lbs = 2.7kg
• FX Wildcat MKII: Weight: 6.1lbs = 2.8kg
• EDgun (SPA) Lelya 2.0: Weight: 6.4lbs = 2.9kg
• AGT Uragan Compact: Weight: 6.4lbs = 2.9kg
LINK to HiRes JPG File
https://www.mediafire.com/view/nsil64g13fnmm5x/Bullpups._PICs_and_Sizes._19._Sorted_acc._to_Size._06._HiRes.jpg/file
(https://www.mediafire.com/view/nsil64g13fnmm5x/Bullpups._PICs_and_Sizes._19._Sorted_acc._to_Size._06._HiRes.jpg/file)
FILE ATTACHMENT of LoRes JPG File
This is FREAKING Awesome Matthias - why have I not run across this till now?!?!?!
Thanks!
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Thanks for putting the bullpup list together....
I remember when the Edgun was the only pcp pup available. They were first priced at 1k and quickly climbed to 2k. There was also a waiting list for the bullpup. One could purchase the gun. shoot it for a yr or so and sell for the same price purchased...the good old days.
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Ive owned personally 17 on the list of 40
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Hmm, I've only got 7 of'em.
Mike
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Oh, you only have 17 and 7 you guys? Well...then I just have some catching up to do... ;D
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Besides this photo list I of course also made a specs list for the ones I like.... ;D
And after I figured the prices of each bullpup on that short list, I call myself blessed to own THE ONE bullpup that I like best of all the ones I can afford. 8)
No debts. No regrets. No divorce.
Matthias :)
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Great posts! I am eyeing up the Ataman BP17 and the FX Wildcat MkII atm. There are certainly others I desire from Kalibrgun, Edgun, but I think they are outside my price range. I certainly desire small and light.
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I posted to the other bullpup thread asking what the consensus was on the new FX Dream-Pup Bottle. I know it’s not out yet but it looks and sounds pretty cool, especially with a CF bottle. The .177 and .22 are only 29” long. Shot count should be phenomenal!