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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: Stinger177 on October 08, 2019, 11:56:11 PM
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My older brother and I got together after a fews years of not seeing each other in person, and we shot some of my air rifles the other day. This was his first introduction to true air rifles as opposed to powder burners. He now wants to own an air rifle and I've steered him towards the Weihrauch lineup (that being my own personal preference, and also the brand that he shot from my collection - I forgot to bring along my Diana's).
We're trying to narrow down the right HW model for him. He wants something to possibly take down a few critters, possibly up to the size of a Prairie Dog, but not necessarily.
We all know how nice just about any HW shoots, and my brother is looking at the HW85 or 95, and since I do not own either, I'm asking what any of you can tell about the differences between the two.
We're talking about the newest model 85 and 95. No need to discuss the aspects of the first version 85 as we are not considering a used rifle.
He's the best brother in the world, so please help me out here. :D
Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.
Dennis
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If he likes em big, long, and heavy, go 85.
If he likes them a little shorter, lighter, and handier, go 95.
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only difference is the barrel length and the front sight, globe with inserts on the HW85
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Thanks guys.
So they have the same power?
Are the actions identical or does one have a larger compression tube than the other?
It appears that the 95's front sight is a globe, but with the fixed post. I assume that it could be changed out to an insert style globe?
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as far as I know it's the same power plant on both (same FPS). you can swap the front sight but the cheapest i've seen is $50 new + shipping
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Thanks Joe. I have a couple spare insert style Weihrauch globes to use.
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Thanks Joe. I have a couple spare insert style Weihrauch globes to use.
I bet. If not I have like 6 of them for you. Go with the 95. It will be less hold sensitive with the shorter barrel. The 95 barrel is already plenty long for the very reasonable cocking effort. Not all 95s come with the fixed globe. My AoA 299 special came with one and I really like on my Hw30. If you get one with a fixed globe maybe we could work out a trade. I'd like to get another
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Ohhh and the Hw95 is a great all around gun. Especially if he has a little property around him. I love mine. It was the rifle that got me hooked on airguns. It was my first quality AG. You're a good brother and your brother is very lucky to have you. What caliber are you going to do? Mine is 177 because I wanted a flatter shooting gun that I could find pellets for anywhere. Mine is making 15 fpe and can head shot a tree rat at 50 yards. With a scope of course. I did a starling at a little over a hundred. The 95 is nice medium powered airgun. It shoots strong enough for most airgun activities but much more enjoyable to shoot than magnums. I say that because they are noticeably lighter, much easier to cock and shoot accurately. Hw30s (my favorite AG) lacks the range and power of a 95. A HW50 is a nice gun to but has a less power and the weight and cocking effort is very close to the Hw95.
Best of luck
Ron
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when I bought my .22 HW85k from Krale the only difference between the HW95 was the front sight. odd they had two rifles so close in specifications ?
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Ohhh and the Hw95 is a great all around gun. Especially if he has a little property around him. I love mine. It was the rifle that got me hooked on airguns. It was my first quality AG. You're a good brother and your brother is very lucky to have you. What caliber are you going to do? Mine is 177 because I wanted a flatter shooting gun that I could find pellets for anywhere. Mine is making 15 fpe and can head shot a tree rat at 50 yards. With a scope of course. I did a starling at a little over a hundred. The 95 is nice medium powered airgun. It shoots strong enough for most airgun activities but much more enjoyable to shoot than magnums. I say that because they are noticeably lighter, much easier to cock and shoot accurately. Hw30s (my favorite AG) lacks the range and power of a 95. A HW50 is a nice gun to but has a less power and the weight and cocking effort is very close to the Hw95.
Best of luck
Ron
Thanks Ron. Very helpful information.
I think he's going with .177 for the flatter trajectory. Your mention of availability is a good point as well. I noticed that you have the Nikon 3-9x40 EFR. That's the exact same scope I have on my HW30K. I love that scope, even without mil dots.
How much did the Vortek change your 95? Is the Vortek a PG2 or 3, and is it an HO?
I'll look through my stash and see if I can find a fixed post HW front sight, and yes, I'll do a trade if I have one.
when I bought my .22 HW85k from Krale the only difference between the HW95 was the front sight. odd they had two rifles so close in specifications ?
Joe - I thought the same thing which is why I'm having difficulty determining the difference.
It's my understanding that a K version has the barrel shortened, therefore losing the front sight dovetails. Is that correct? My HW30K is that way, with a glued-on Weihrauch ldc and no sight holes on the breech block. Again, is it that way on all HW-K versions?
Thanks again guys. This is all very helpful, and my brother is following this thread as well.
:D :D
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If he likes em big, long, and heavy, go 85.
If he likes them a little shorter, lighter, and handier, go 95.
Please disregard the above (as you probably already have. )
I had a moment of confusion - I was thinking HW80 when I wrote that. Sorry.
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The HW85k has the globe sight with inserts ;)
https://www.weihrauch-sport.de/air-rifles/hw-85-hw-85-k?lang=en (https://www.weihrauch-sport.de/air-rifles/hw-85-hw-85-k?lang=en)
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The HW85k has the globe sight with inserts ;)
Who has the 85k? Krale does not. Its my understanding that it's a uk market only version of the 95 with said globe sights. The barrel length and everything else on a 85k and 95 are identical.
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The HW85k has the globe sight with inserts ;)
Got it, thanks.
We're leaning (or at least I am) toward the 95 and replacing the front sight with an insert style. That is, if that's what my Bro wants. At least I have all the parts to do it.
The HW85k has the globe sight with inserts ;)
Who has the 85k? Krale does not. Its my understanding that it's a uk market only version of the 95 with said globe sights. The barrel length and everything else on a 85k and 95 are identical.
I don't think we're considering a K version. I was only asking about it for clarity on the front sight dovetails and no sight holes on the breech block.
The big bummer is that Krale is OOS on the 95 in .177.
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The HW85k has the globe sight with inserts ;)
Who has the 85k? Krale does not. Its my understanding that it's a uk market only version of the 95 with said globe sights. The barrel length and everything else on a 85k and 95 are identical.
I bought mine when Krale had the .22 on sale some time ago. they can probably special order one for you?. I would swap you the fixed post off my Beeman R6 but it's the only one I have and I like to keep my OEM parts lol
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The HW85k has the globe sight with inserts ;)
Got it, thanks.
We're leaning (or at least I am) toward the 95 and replacing the front sight with an insert style. That is, if that's what my Bro wants. At least I have all the parts to do it.
The HW85k has the globe sight with inserts ;)
Who has the 85k? Krale does not. Its my understanding that it's a uk market only version of the 95 with said globe sights. The barrel length and everything else on a 85k and 95 are identical.
I don't think we're considering a K version. I was only asking about it for clarity on the front sight dovetails and no sight holes on the breech block.
The big bummer is that Krale is OOS on the 95 in .177.
With shipping your probably within a few bucks AOA's price, except shipping will take LONGER! LOL :)
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The HW85k has the globe sight with inserts ;)
Who has the 85k? Krale does not. Its my understanding that it's a uk market only version of the 95 with said globe sights. The barrel length and everything else on a 85k and 95 are identical.
I bought mine when Krale had the .22 on sale some time ago. they can probably special order one for you?. I would swap you the fixed post off my Beeman R6 but it's the only one I have and I like to keep my OEM parts lol
Same here. I'm stingy with my OEM parts as well. As I understand it, the 95 would come with a fixed post. I would want to swap it for the insert style as I've done with all my other HW's.
I'm good on fixed posts in my stash, if there are any that is. :D
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No forget AOA on the HW95 I thought they had free shipping on Weihrauch >:(
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https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r9-air-rifle?m=1900 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r9-air-rifle?m=1900)
This would have the good globe sights and a much nice stock. Looks to be coming back in stock soon.
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95 hands down. You dont need a longer barrel or a heavier rifle.
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https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r9-air-rifle?m=1900 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r9-air-rifle?m=1900)
This would have the good globe sights and a much nice stock. Looks to be coming back in stock soon.
I must be getting old, I can't get my head around most of the new HW stocks. Almost cried when I saw the new HW77 LOL for me to buy that rifle from PA I would get hit with another $24 in tax :(
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https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r9-air-rifle?m=1900 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r9-air-rifle?m=1900)
This would have the good globe sights and a much nice stock. Looks to be coming back in stock soon.
I must be getting old, I can't get my head around most of the new HW stocks. Almost cried when I saw the new HW77 LOL for me to buy that rifle from PA I would get hit with another $24 in tax :(
Death and taxes. Both unavoidable. If AoA has the 95L its the same as this R9 and I think they're not charging sales tax yet. They're all supposed to for certain destination states.
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https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95-luxus/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95-luxus/)
Same gun same price, possibly no sales tax.
And in Stock!
There you go.
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https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95-luxus/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95-luxus/)
Same gun same price, possibly no sales tax.
And in Stock!
There you go.
I got TWO of those HW95Ls from AOA!
The R9 I got from Straight Shooters some years back.
These three rifles are great! The only rifle I can say I like more than my HW95Ls is the left hand HW80 .20--the wood the caliber the balance the everything on this one is set up like Hector Medina's Diana 54 Air King I am working with.
Admittedly the R1 or HW80 isn't necessary, but it's nice when you really wanna get fast at long distance beyond 50 yards it's nice. But I spend all my time shooting mostly the HW95Ls to compare how the calibers do at longer ranges--testing still on!
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My older brother and I got together after a fews years of not seeing each other in person, and we shot some of my air rifles the other day.
We all know how nice just about any HW shoots, and my brother is looking at the HW85 or 95, and since I do not own either, I'm asking what any of you can tell about the differences between the two.
We're talking about the newest model 85 and 95.
He's the best brother in the world, so please help me out here. :D
Dennis
Hey Dennis,
I know you've gotten a lot of good tips so far ... ::)
1) I wouldn't get the HW85 - I can think of no advantage - maybe opened sighted w/peep.
2) The HW 95 can be had for $350 including 3 day shipping from Krale.
3) The HW95 Lexus can be had for $400 from AOA - free shipping & no tax unless you live in AZ.
I would likely pay an extra $50 for the nicer stock. The HW95 regular stock is adequate at best.
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I love my HW85 .22 that shoot 720fps with FTT 14.66g 5.55mm its very accurate pellet on pellet at 30yrd with open sight.
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https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r9-air-rifle?m=1900 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-r9-air-rifle?m=1900)
This would have the good globe sights and a much nice stock. Looks to be coming back in stock soon.
Thanks Ron. That's a nice rifle. Is that available in a non-Beeman format?
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I have a HW 85 in .177 (newer model) and it is stelling. It is dedicated irons and my only open sight break barrel. The longer sight radius is a benefit to me over the shorter HW 95. If a scope is all one intended to use then I would choose a 95K. Mine is packing the Hornet spring and moly vac piston seal. A real good shooter.
(https://i.imgur.com/wG7CNeG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TrQyF4n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rWRFkAw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/v1tZmcM.jpg)
I may as well add, this rifle with the longer barrel cocks like a 12 fpe rifle. And this one is shooting upper 800's. This may rabble the natives here, but I prefer this over the FWB 124's, and I like to think of it as the 124 in the HW lineup. Plus you get all the benifits of a many aftermarket kits and such with the service ability of this platform.
All my HW swing barrels, I pull the detent, polish the bore, spring ends and detent. And the click shut like vault.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZS3un7h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qFb50dg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RNKN277.jpg)
Jason G
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Nice rifle Jason. And thanks for the info. I'm gathering all that I can about these two models and your input is appreciated along with all the other's. :D
Cute kid too!
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Jason; your photo documentatation in your posts is...excelcior! Makes the points you're making really clear,thanks.
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I ordered a couple of these from Krale when the goin was good and they were around $285 tyd. Hard to pass up?
Jason G
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I ordered a couple of these from Krale when the goin was good and they were around $285 tyd. Hard to pass up?
Jason G
When did that happen?
Also, how do you polish the inside of the detent bore?
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stinger, I don't know how jason does it but I take a tight fitting drill bit, place/push it inside and turn it by hand, then some 320-600 grit sandpaper, I polish it with a bore mop and some rouge (i think thats how its spelled), polish spring ends, remove any burrs on detent, polish detent, lube w/moly and reinsert
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stinger, I don't know how jason does it but I take a tight fitting drill bit, place/push it inside and turn it by hand, then some 320-600 grit sandpaper, I polish it with a bore mop and some rouge (i think thats how its spelled), polish spring ends, remove any burrs on detent, polish detent, lube w/moly and reinsert
Great! Thanks. I'll do that next go around.
:DMy older brother and I got together after a few years of not seeing each other in person, and we shot some of my air rifles the other day.
We all know how nice just about any HW shoots, and my brother is looking at the HW85 or 95, and since I do not own either, I'm asking what any of you can tell about the differences between the two.
We're talking about the newest model 85 and 95.
He's the best brother in the world, so please help me out here. :D
Dennis
Hey Dennis,
I know you've gotten a lot of good tips so far ... ::)
1) I wouldn't get the HW85 - I can think of no advantage - maybe opened sighted w/peep.
2) The HW 95 can be had for $350 including 3 day shipping from Krale.
3) The HW95 Lexus can be had for $400 from AOA - free shipping & no tax unless you live in AZ.
I would likely pay an extra $50 for the nicer stock. The HW95 regular stock is adequate at best.
Kirk - I somehow missed your reply this morning. I think your conclusion is excellent.
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A real advantage of the longer barrel is easier cocking. Longer fulcrum and all that....... 8) ;D
+ not everybody has a HW 85.
-Y
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I have a HW 85 in .177 (newer model) and it is stelling. It is dedicated irons and my only open sight break barrel. The longer sight radius is a benefit to me over the shorter HW 95. If a scope is all one intended to use then I would choose a 95K. Mine is packing the Hornet spring and moly vac piston seal. A real good shooter.
(https://i.imgur.com/wG7CNeG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TrQyF4n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rWRFkAw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/v1tZmcM.jpg)
I may as well add, this rifle with the longer barrel cocks like a 12 fpe rifle. And this one is shooting upper 800's. This may rabble the natives here, but I prefer this over the FWB 124's, and I like to think of it as the 124 in the HW lineup. Plus you get all the benifits of a many aftermarket kits and such with the service ability of this platform.
All my HW swing barrels, I pull the detent, polish the bore, spring ends and detent. And the click shut like vault.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZS3un7h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qFb50dg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RNKN277.jpg)
Jason G
Put a set of peeps on that rifle and you may have the longest sight radius in air rifle history. ;)
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A real advantage of the longer barrel is easier cocking. Longer fulcrum and all that....... 8) ;D
+ not everybody has a HW 85.
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Yogi I use to like you and your posts but now I cant stand you. Why? Because now I want a 85 too lol
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A real advantage of the longer barrel is easier cocking. Longer fulcrum and all that....... 8) ;D
+ not everybody has a HW 85.
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Yogi I use to like you and your posts but now I cant stand you. Why? Because now I want a 85 too lol
Jay buddy, If you are going to scope it get the 95 they're already easily cocked by any man. To put this in perspective Hw95s feel like half the cocking effort of your RX set to 19fpe. Numerically its not but it definitely feels like it. The longer barrel will make it a little easier to cock but it will likely be more hold sensitive and harder to be accurate with. The longer barrel will provide a longer sight radius if using factory open sights, which is good.
However put a set of Williams peep sights on a Hw95 and you'll have an even longer sight radius. There's the subject of balance which I can't speak to because I don't have Hw85 to compare to my Hw95. I have a preference for shorter barrels on all air rifles and most PBs because I find they are just easier to shoot accurately and maneuver. Compared to your rx2 a 95 is a compact lightweight. ;)
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I have a HW 85 in .177 (newer model) and it is stelling. It is dedicated irons and my only open sight break barrel. The longer sight radius is a benefit to me over the shorter HW 95. If a scope is all one intended to use then I would choose a 95K. Mine is packing the Hornet spring and moly vac piston seal. A real good shooter.
(https://i.imgur.com/wG7CNeG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TrQyF4n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rWRFkAw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/v1tZmcM.jpg)
I may as well add, this rifle with the longer barrel cocks like a 12 fpe rifle. And this one is shooting upper 800's. This may rabble the natives here, but I prefer this over the FWB 124's, and I like to think of it as the 124 in the HW lineup. Plus you get all the benifits of a many aftermarket kits and such with the service ability of this platform.
All my HW swing barrels, I pull the detent, polish the bore, spring ends and detent. And the click shut like vault.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZS3un7h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qFb50dg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RNKN277.jpg)
Jason G
Put a set of peeps on that rifle and you may have the longest sight radius in air rifle history. ;)
you're forgetting the HW35E ! :)
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A real advantage of the longer barrel is easier cocking. Longer fulcrum and all that....... 8) ;D
+ not everybody has a HW 85.
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Yogi I use to like you and your posts but now I cant stand you. Why? Because now I want a 85 too lol
Jay buddy, If you are going to scope it get the 95 they're already easily cocked by any man. To put this in perspective Hw95s feel like half the cocking effort of your RX set to 19fpe. Numerically its not but it definitely feels like it. The longer barrel will make it a little easier to cock but it will likely be more hold sensitive and harder to be accurate with. The longer barrel will provide a longer sight radius if using factory open sights, which is good.
However put a set of Williams peep sights on a Hw95 and you'll have an even longer sight radius. There's the subject of balance which I can't speak to because I don't have Hw85 to compare to my Hw95. I have a preference for shorter barrels on all air rifles and most PBs because I find they are just easier to shoot accurately and maneuver. Compared to your rx2 a 95 is a compact lightweight. ;)
Bayman I use to have a 95 and even till this day I still regretted selling it.
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Bayman I use to have a 95 and even till this day I still regretted selling it.
I bet! All this talk about the 95, I broke mine out and shot it in the basement. It's only ten yards but it still shoots single round hole 5 shot groups. Way too close for this rifle but I don't have the property to shoot outside :'(
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Bayman I proceeded to bend my barrel today but not in a jig but my tow hitch and being in such a rush I marred my finish. hey!!!! But now it seems to shoot a good group then move. Shoot good then move. I hope that I didnt mess something up while bending. I left the stock and scope on but only pit tip of barrel into hitch and crown is good and put pressure ONLY on barrel right after breach block. I cant win with this freaking rifle. Im ready to really consider trading it for a 77, 97, 98 or 95 in 20cal. I mean ibgot a good mount, Sportsmatch 1 pc and a Bushnell engage 4-12. I cleaned the lock up pretty good like you did I believe. If not you then some other members who had lock up issues. Im at wits end on this
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you're forgetting the HW35E ! :)
I haven't.
I still look at the 35E now and then on Krale. Thing is, I have a really sweet 1970 35L Luxus that is now my favorite HW, leather seal and all! :D
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What's the barrel O.D. of an HW95?
Want to be ready to get the right size ldc just in case that's what is decided on.
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What's the barrel O.D. of an HW95?
Want to be ready to get the right size ldc just in case that's what is decided on.
16mm
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What's the barrel O.D. of an HW95?
Want to be ready to get the right size ldc just in case that's what is decided on.
16mm
Thank you. :D