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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: airgunner69 on October 06, 2019, 11:02:07 AM
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Hey guys,
I don't know how many of you caught my intro, but a quick recap... I was into precision air rifles close to 20 years ago but sold them when the firearm bug (specifically BRD) hit hard. I'm still very much into firearms but I miss not having a nice air rifle in the safe to plink and target shoot with in the backyard with.
I am a quality over quantity kind of guy meaning I'd rather have one very nice rifle rather then 2, 3 or more mediocre guns.
Back in the day, I had a Beeman R7 and an AA Pro Elite. I really liked the R7 but it was on the small side for my 6' 2" frame and wanted something with a little more thump. The PE gave me the size and extra thump I was looking for but it was a heavy rig (especially with the Weaver V16 that I had mounted on it) however, the biggest problem I had with it was... even though I am a righty, I've learned I need to shoot left handed when accuracy matters as I am left eye dominant and see much better with my left eye.
So all that said, I want a new air rifle. I want something "full size" but not overly heavy or powerful. I'm thinking something in the 12-14fpe would more than suffice as I have no plans or desire to hunt with it and "pest control" would be rare if ever. It needs to be truly ambidextrous. Mostly I want quality, accuracy, smooth shot cycle and relatively easy cocking.
With those criteria in mind and after hours of thought and research to see what's currently available, I'm left thinking the HW95/R9 would best suit my needs and wants? The 95/R9 is probably a tad more power then I really need but figure I can always have it detuned with the focus on smoothness and soft recoil in mind? Your thoughts?
So assuming that's the one I go with, I have to pick the exactly model I want? There is the HW95, HW95L, R9, and maybe more? At first I was leaning towards the R9 but I'm thinking HW95L now. Basically looks exactly like an R9 but if the pics on AoA are correct, the Weihrauch HW95L Field Pro model (airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95l-field-pro/) the breech block on the 95L is not drilled and taped which I think gives a cleaner look. I also like the muzzle break on the end but will probably with replace it with a true moderator later.
So last question is caliber? I've always shot .177's and I know they are lasers in a gun like the 95 and have the flattest trajectory but I'm really thinking of going .22 on this one? Partly because I think at this power lever, a .22 is more likely to have a smoother shot cycle and I won't be shooting past 20yrd anyway but mainly because I have big 'ole sausage fingers and those tiny .177 pellets are a PITA for me! lol
Anyway, any input you would be willing to say is welcome. Thank you.
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Here's my report as of today on the .22 model which I ended up putting the Swarosvky on (my best scope).
I have problems with .177 for two big reasons in an air rifle:
1. The pellets are too small to manipulate comfortably
2. The speed does not make up for accuracy
The .25 95L is where it's at for me and that's because I KNOW this rifle from shooting it FOR FUN! It is incredibly fun to shoot. It is totally accurate to 25 yards--as accurate as a .177--and while shooting over a lake of a pond/river nearby I discovered it would land 80 yards away with a lot more precision that I ever imagined.
The .22 is probably my favorite caliber all around for One rifle. The .20 is good but too much like the .177 sometimes, and not as traumatic as the .22 in most times. The .20 costs more and is truly a specific type to be used in something powerful like the HW80 or the Diana 54 Air King. The .22 never disappoints since even my own days with a pistol in CO2 (SW 78G) and rifle (Benjamin 322).
In the springer things really come to life when using the .22. It may not be as popular as the .177 but you can find enough pellets anywhere to buy without worrying price.
My other favorite .22 is my HW30S. I've had a scope on it bigger almost than the rifle, it is a tack driver to enjoy just shooting over and over like the famed R7.
In my HW50S .22 there is a noticeable kick and cock to the rifle. It is not as nice as my HW35Es by a long shot--the stroke is too short and stiff and it stacks at the end.
Velocity readings of the HW35E .22 and the HW50S .22 are similar with the HW35E being the more accurate to shoot off hand.
I use only open sights on my .22 HW35E because for some reason the rifle works better shooting with irons at 25 yards that with a scope.
I'm 6' 2" at 185 lbs. The HW80s are too heavy for fun shooting. The HW95Ls are the ticket in either .22 or .25. Except the .25 is more elite with the usual things that follow---like KILLING something for GOOD! ;D
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fwbsport - Thanks for the input.
I know a lot of guys think the .20 is the sweet spot but I equate it to the .40S&W in the 9mm vs .40S&W vs .45ACP debates. I do not own any .40cal guns for the same reason I have no interest in the .20cal pellets, it doesn't have the speed of the .177 and doesn't have the mass of the .22. Maybe its just me but I find compromise choices that try to give you the best of both worlds tend to be very disapointing?
As for hunting, not really my thing but if I needed to, I have a suppressed .22LR that's as quiet as any air rifle but just not something I want to use in a subdivision lol
So it still sounds like the HW95L in .22 is the right choice for me. Do you know if the 95L is drilled and tap'ed for iron sights or is the breech block solid like in the pics? How about the muzzle break, I'm assuming it's a slip fit with set screws and not threaded?
Is the scope that comes with the 95L any good or is it just something to hold you over until you get a better scope?
Thanks again
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I have a new to me HW95L in .177cal and a standard HW95 in .22cal, the only reason I purchased the 95L was I'm a southpaw shooter and the ambi cheek piece seems like a no brainer to me!!! other then that it the same rifle!!! ;D
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I have a 177 HW95 that I bought about 4 years ago. It was what got me addicted to airguns. My favorite to shoot is the lower powered Hw30. Listen, everyone has their favorites when it comes to guns and calibers. All I'll say is no matter what variation of the Hw95 / R7 you go with you'll have a good shooting rifle. A 95 in 177, 20 or 22 caliber will be a nice gun. Aiming is easiest with 177 because it is the fattest shooter and it will be as deadly as any of the other calibers
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Hey guys,
I don't know how many of you caught my intro, but a quick recap... I was into precision air rifles close to 20 years ago but sold them when the firearm bug (specifically BRD) hit hard. I'm still very much into firearms but I miss not having a nice air rifle in the safe to plink and target shoot with in the backyard with.
I am a quality over quantity kind of guy meaning I'd rather have one very nice rifle rather then 2, 3 or more mediocre guns.
Back in the day, I had a Beeman R7 and an AA Pro Elite. I really liked the R7 but it was on the small side for my 6' 2" frame and wanted something with a little more thump. The PE gave me the size and extra thump I was looking for but it was a heavy rig (especially with the Weaver V16 that I had mounted on it) however, the biggest problem I had with it was... even though I am a righty, I've learned I need to shoot left handed when accuracy matters as I am left eye dominant and see much better with my left eye.
So all that said, I want a new air rifle. I want something "full size" but not overly heavy or powerful. I'm thinking something in the 12-14fpe would more than suffice as I have no plans or desire to hunt with it and "pest control" would be rare if ever. It needs to be truly ambidextrous. Mostly I want quality, accuracy, smooth shot cycle and relatively easy cocking.
With those criteria in mind and after hours of thought and research to see what's currently available, I'm left thinking the HW95/R9 would best suit my needs and wants? The 95/R9 is probably a tad more power then I really need but figure I can always have it detuned with the focus on smoothness and soft recoil in mind? Your thoughts?
So assuming that's the one I go with, I have to pick the exactly model I want? There is the HW95, HW95L, R9, and maybe more? At first I was leaning towards the R9 but I'm thinking HW95L now. Basically looks exactly like an R9 but if the pics on AoA are correct, the Weihrauch HW95L Field Pro model (airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95l-field-pro/) the breech block on the 95L is not drilled and taped which I think gives a cleaner look. I also like the muzzle break on the end but will probably with replace it with a true moderator later.
So last question is caliber? I've always shot .177's and I know they are lasers in a gun like the 95 and have the flattest trajectory but I'm really thinking of going .22 on this one? Partly because I think at this power lever, a .22 is more likely to have a smoother shot cycle and I won't be shooting past 20yrd anyway but mainly because I have big 'ole sausage fingers and those tiny .177 pellets are a PITA for me! lol
Anyway, any input you would be willing to say is welcome. Thank you.
I have both a .177 Beeman R9 and a .177 HW95 and IMHO, unless you like "different furniture" it's six of one/half dozen of another since the "mechanicals" are the same. I do have to mention however that the older .177 R9 has a looser bore than the newer .177 HW95 which does affect the pellet choice being used, however both are more accurate than I can shoot!
My HW95 on the right and Beeman R9 on the left..........
(https://i.imgur.com/eHEAp7ol.jpg)
Groups shot with the .177 HW95 ........
(https://i.imgur.com/8SZm6IEl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/v6Ug0yHl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/eIKiookl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/6jbM8Jwl.jpg)
Anywhoo....over a decade ago after shooting .177 cal for a few years I went through the phase of trying a .20 cal R9 and a .22 barrel from a R1 on my R9 (.22 cal barrel wasn't offered for the R9 at that time). I shot the .20 for one season, then shot half of the next season with the .22 cal barrel and ended up selling both the .20 and .22 barrels, reverted back to .177 cal never to look back. The issue I had with the "fat pellets" was the loopy trajectory at R9/HW95 power levels that made hitting the target past my zero distance pretty much "lottery shooting". I personally had more success with a .177 dome than a .20 or .22 cal dome past 30 yards, however out to 30 yards there wasn't a "nickels difference" no matter what the caliber except the cost of the pellets.
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Back when I was researching the 95/R9 a few years ago I'd read the gun was designed for .177 and that many users having owned both .22 and .177 preferred the .177 more.
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Well I think my title was misleading and I'll see if I can edit it. I realize there really isn't any difference between the HW95 and R9 other then stock or sights depending on which exact model you get. The rest is luck of the draw.
My real question is... is the HW95/R9 the right gun for me based on my needs\wants or should I be considering something else?
ETA - I tried to change the title but I guess you can't edit a post after a certain amount of time?
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The issue I had with the "fat pellets" was the loopy trajectory at R9/HW95 power levels that made hitting the target past my zero distance pretty much "lottery shooting". I personally had more success with a .177 dome than a .20 or .22 cal dome past 30 yards, however out to 30 yards there wasn't a "nickels difference" no matter what the caliber except the cost of the pellets.
Well that's good to know. I don't see a time where I will be shooting past 30yrds and the cost difference is minimal. I guess I'd be safe either way so that good. Thanks for the info!
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As was mentioned and I also agree with! the .22cal in this rifle is smoother to shoot! and the report on the rifle it a bit quieter after you clean all the factory goop out of the tube! my .22cal is super accurate just like all the other HW's I own! It shoots the H&N FTT 5.53's or the Crosman Pointed Hunting pellets half the size of a dime or smaller @23yds, I have shot plenty of birds with this rifle @55yds! my rifle still has the factory spring with a fitted guides and JM lubes, it only shoot and ave of 629fps with the FTT's but its all the 30yd gun you would ever need for small game hunting! you to that distance! ;D
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There was an R11 very recently in classifieds, if it's still available, buy it. It's everything the R9/HW95 is....and MUCH MORE ;)
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Well I think my title was misleading and I'll see if I can edit it. I realize there really isn't any difference between the HW95 and R9 other then stock or sights depending on which exact model you get. The rest is luck of the draw.
My real question is... is the HW95/R9 the right gun for me based on my needs\wants or should I be considering something else?
ETA - I tried to change the title but I guess you can't edit a post after a certain amount of time?
Ed and I agree the R9 and the HW95L are worth keeping as one or two rifles except for caliber. I agree that Ed likes .177 after doing his rounds with the calibers in these rifles--he's right for most who are wanting flatter trajectory.
My input is the bigger calibers above .20 work better for me, but I don't have the precision Ed has with his set up to test differences since I shoot only off hand no matter what the range.
To me the .22 is the best of all worlds to START with!
Then get a .25 and a .177 later--only then will YOU be able to say which of the three calibers is best!
See I've got a thing going on here called standing room only to shoot, and that switches the paradigm to those who want to shoot off hand only or at least be able to take an accurate shot off hand. The rifle is always in a rest and if that rest is JUST YOU standing it IS NOT THE SAME as a rest! The gun shoots off of only you. Even when I lean against a support behind my right shoulder the gun will shoot to a different point of impact! So I don't lean on anything anymore when shooting upright; and the rifles in my cabinet ALL shoot to point of aim while standing to shoot only.
Now, if I go in the field where the range is not exactly determined and squirrels are popping about all over the ground the rifle is ready to shoot repeatedly FAST from the upright position.
To me there is a difference in the HW95Ls and the R9 I have. They do look the same. But the actions of my HW95Ls are smoother. Ed mentioned his 95 was the same as his R9 but my newer R9 and newer HW95L are different. I prefer the HW95L over the R9.
My HW95Ls do not have muzzle brakes, they have all the insert sights and I've put scopes on all: R9, HW95L .22, HW95L .25.
The 95s in .22 and .25 work more accurately for me offhand.
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There was an R11 very recently in classifieds, if it's still available, buy it. It's everything the R9/HW95 is....and MUCH MORE ;)
It's also heavier considering the same "power plant". I've read that the R11/HW98 is better than the sum of it's parts and I tend to agree and the gun was rather easy to shoot accurately. The extra weight added by the very nice adjustable stock and barrel sleeve is a 'put-off" for me and IF I were to put up with an 8.6# break barrel springer I think I'd rather have an 8.8# fixed barrel HW97.
Anywhoo......
Here are a few groups (sittin on a bucket restin' the gun on cross sticks) after the tune.........
(https://i.imgur.com/zlbo3Unl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/wOvD5wfl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/d5v1VdPl.jpg)
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Airgunner, as for muzzle brake attachment, it's a set screw and epoxied on. The receiver has a dovetail machined in to mount scope. And if the scope is the 3-9x40 weihrauch scope, it's quite good. I can dial the magnification all the way up or down with no POI shift and the lenses are sharp and clear.
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Airgunner, as for muzzle brake attachment, it's a set screw and epoxied on.
Does the epoxy make it non removable or is it used as more of a bedding material?
Thanks!
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So I thought I had it settled, I was going with the HW95L Field Pro in .22 but the more I think about it, the more I think the HW30 Urban Pro makes more sense for my situation?
Like I said, I won't be hunting (other than possibly some close range pest control) and the majority of my shooting will be indoors (Basement/10yards) as my current backyard is just not conducive for airgunning (severe downward slope). I may do some shooting in my Stepson's backyard but that would be 30yrds max.
I went through this same thing last time between the R7 and R9 and ended up with the R7 for pretty much the same reasons. It was a great gun (within its know limitations of LOP and velocity) but I've always wanted and wondered if I would have preferred the R9 instead even though it is arguable slightly overkill for my needs?
I really like that the HW30-UP comes with a factory suppressor. I know its not really needed on a gun like that but I have a number of suppressors for my firearms and I can tell you, once you start suppressing your guns, you want to suppress them all! Even if I buy the HW95L, I will probably suppress it as well that's why I was asking about if the muzzle weight on the 95L-FP is removable?
I may just have to buy both, try them both out and decide which one I like better or just keep them both if I can't decide?
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Just one man's opinion here; either HW95L or R9 in standard guise = excellent choice. Standards have EXCELLET open sights, readily accept Williams peep sights + you can pick your own glass. Either may be tuned from comatose to O.M.G. ...+ Weihrauch makes a legit muffler.
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So the conversation has evolved, HW30 or 95L? Why not split the difference and end up with a better gun altogether, maybe best of both worlds..
I'm thinking HW35E.
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Shucks, it's only money; they'll print more tomorrow... Am I on the radar as a notified enabler yet? Get 'm all. :o
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Edit: should of read bonifide...silly spell check!
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So the conversation has evolved, HW30 or 95L? Why not split the difference and end up with a better gun altogether, maybe best of both worlds..
I'm thinking HW35E.
I've read up on the 35 (as well as the 98/R10 mentioned earlier) and can see why those have been suggested as well but I always seem to come back to the R7/30 and/or R9/95.
I remember why most air gun people have more then one. There really isn't one, perfect do it all rifle. Just like people, they all have their pros and cons and what's best for one person may be the worst for someone else.
I'm in dream mode right now (you know where money is no object) so I'll buy the HW95L first and after breaking it in, I'll send it to Paul Watts for his magic (ADV tune, cut and shrouded barrel, setback trigger). While I'm waiting on that, I get the HW30 to hold me over and then when I get the 95 back, I send Paul the 30 to do his magic on again!
A guy can dream right! lol
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Shucks, it's only money; they'll print more tomorrow... Am I on the radar as a notified enabler yet? Get 'm all. :o
Hey man, take it easy on me. It doesn't take much to enable me! lol
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Get real dude.....
Figure out at what distance you will be doing most of your shooting. Back yard plinking. going to a real range. Hunting in the woods.
Figure out the distance of your anticipated average shot and go from there. ;)
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I didn't think Paul was tuning anymore? :o
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Get real dude.....
Figure out at what distance you will be doing most of your shooting. Back yard plinking. going to a real range. Hunting in the woods.
Figure out the distance of your anticipated average shot and go from there. ;)
Um dude, pretty sure I've already done that, you might want to scroll up and read about it.
Just keeping it real dude ;)
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I didn't think Paul was tuning anymore? :o
I have no idea? I used to drool over his stuff back in the day and did see that his site is still up but have no idea if he is accepting work anymore?
Either way, I did say I was dreaming! lol
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So the conversation has evolved, HW30 or 95L? Why not split the difference and end up with a better gun altogether, maybe best of both worlds..
I'm thinking HW35E.
I've read up on the 35 (as well as the 98/R10 mentioned earlier) and can see why those have been suggested as well but I always seem to come back to the R7/30 and/or R9/95.
I remember why most air gun people have more then one. There really isn't one, perfect do it all rifle. Just like people, they all have their pros and cons and what's best for one person may be the worst for someone else.
I'm in dream mode right now (you know where money is no object) so I'll buy the HW95L first and after breaking it in, I'll send it to Paul Watts for his magic (ADV tune, cut and shrouded barrel, setback trigger). While I'm waiting on that, I get the HW30 to hold me over and then when I get the 95 back, I send Paul the 30 to do his magic on again!
A guy can dream right! lol
I think you’ve got a pretty good plan there and I do think that PW will soon take new work once he clears out his backlog.
As much as I love my R7, it would not be my pick if I had to have one quality springer. For a do-it-all springer I’d go with the hw95 or the hw50. The hw95 can be tuned to shoot well at any power level between 9fpe and 15fpe and the hw50 is lighter and comes in at about 9-11fpe.
Good luck choosing.
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I agree with EMrider. Having an R7 and a HW50 now and an H95 a while back. The HW50 seems like what you want.
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I agree with EMrider. Having an R7 and a HW50 now and an H95 a while back. The HW50 seems like what you want.
I have all three, 2-30s, a 50 and a 95. Inside 30 yards I take the 30s for everything but varmints. The 50 is a great gun but has nearly as much cocking effort as a 95. I love them all but I think the OP has a good plan. If I could only have one it would be the 50. It can do most anything well. BUT if I could afford two it would be the 30 and 95. The 30 is alot easier (fun) to use than a 50 and the 95 will do anything the 50 will and then some. I had the 95 first, the 30s second and broke down and bought a 50 based on the following it has here. I love my 50 but it would go before my 95 or 30s
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I agree with EMrider. Having an R7 and a HW50 now and an H95 a while back. The HW50 seems like what you want.
I gave a lot of consideration to the HW50 when I first started looking. It is right in between the 30 and 95 in both power and weight but it just seems like one of those compromise choices that I don't care for.... i.e. not as light or fun as the HW 30, not as much power or as nice of a stock as the R9, harder to cock then both?
Now if we could still get the original HW50S or better yet, an R8 then it might be a different story?
While it will be more money, I think I would be a lot happier with an HW95L tuned for less power but smoother/softer shooting (maybe ~12FPE?) rather than a HW50 tuned or not?
Also, the other reason I'm leaning towards the 95 is the 30 and 50 both seem better suited for .177 and I'm really wanting a .22. I know you can get either of them in .22 and some people love them in .22 but the 95 seems better suited for .22?
I may be wrong about all of that but that's what I'm thinking anyway.
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I have all three, 2-30s, a 50 and a 95. Inside 30 yards I take the 30s for everything but varmints. The 50 is a great gun but has nearly as much cocking effort as a 95. I love them all but I think the OP has a good plan. If I could only have one it would be the 50. It can do most anything well. BUT if I could afford two it would be the 30 and 95. The 30 is alot easier (fun) to use than a 50 and the 95 will do anything the 50 will and then some. I had the 95 first, the 30s second and broke down and bought a 50 based on the following it has here. I love my 50 but it would go before my 95 or 30s
That's pretty much what I'm thinking. Only real debate now is which one first (or better yet how to sneak both in at the same time and not get busted by the mrs lol)
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Order from Krale, you only pay 1 shipping and both show up in the same box. Just don't take them both out of the closet at the same time and you are in the clear.
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I second baymans decision and cmshooter idea is good also.
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one other option is the HW85 from krale, it has the globe front sight with inserts like the HW95L if you want to shoot iron sights
https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw85.html#all_specifications (https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw85.html#all_specifications)
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Order from Krale, you only pay 1 shipping and both show up in the same box. Just don't take them both out of the closet at the same time and you are in the clear.
That would be a great idea but it doesn't look like Krale has either of the exact models I'm looking to get? Looks like only AoA has them...
Weihrauch HW95L Field Pro .22 > airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95l-field-pro-.22/
And
Weihrauch HW30S .177 Urban Pro Laminate > airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw30s-.177-urban-pro-laminate/
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You asked if the epoxy was a bedding material or for attachment, and I don't know. I removed mine 2 weeks ago. Loosened the set screw and tried a heat gun, didn't work so I switched to a torch. Still had to use channel locks to get it off, screwing up the finish on the last 2" or so on barrel. But if you remove it, it is aluminum, I had put the channel locks on it before I realized that, it's a bit mangled now. I'm going to weighcin on caliber though. My thinking was that the .177 is cheaper to shoot and has better pellet selection. That includes pellets right up to those used for Olympic competition, whether that expertise transfers in part to a manufacturers other offerings I don't know. The .177 are a hassle to try to manipulate. I have trouble with them and I have fingers like a ten year old girl. But a pellet pen can make a world of difference when loading.
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Order from Krale, you only pay 1 shipping and both show up in the same box. Just don't take them both out of the closet at the same time and you are in the clear.
That would be a great idea but it doesn't look like Krale has either of the exact models I'm looking to get? Looks like only AoA has them...
Weihrauch HW95L Field Pro .22 > airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw95l-field-pro-.22/
And
Weihrauch HW30S .177 Urban Pro Laminate > airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/weihrauch-hw30s-.177-urban-pro-laminate/
Wow! You got good taste. In February I got a laminate 30 from AOA. Last month I bought a Luxus stock to dress up my Hw95 that I originally got from AOA about 4 years ago. I think you picked a great couple of rifle configurations. Right down to the calibers. You can can cover just about anything with those two. Warning it won't end there you'll be getting more 😊 I'd wish good luck with your new rifles but I know you won't need it. You'll be very happy no matter which one you get first
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Btw, a 95s range and power is worthy of a scope and I wouldn't even consider switching the rifle your considering to open sights. If you ever do just buy a new new barrel, they're cheap enough and I'll give you the open sights from mine. I will say my Hw30 with Williams peep sights is my favorite rifle to shoot. Bar none, including powder burners.
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one other option is the HW85 from krale, it has the globe front sight with inserts like the HW95L if you want to shoot iron sights
https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw85.html#all_specifications (https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw85.html#all_specifications)
The Hw85 is exactly the same as the basic Hw95 except the barrel is longer. Both come with the plain abbreviated stock. The Hw95L has the deluxe stock.
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one other option is the HW85 from krale, it has the globe front sight with inserts like the HW95L if you want to shoot iron sights
https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw85.html#all_specifications (https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw85.html#all_specifications)
The Hw85 is exactly the same as the basic Hw95 except the barrel is longer. Both come with the plain abbreviated stock. The Hw95L has the deluxe stock.
the HW85 has the better globe front sight with inserts the basic does not :)
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You asked if the epoxy was a bedding material or for attachment, and I don't know. I removed mine 2 weeks ago. Loosened the set screw and tried a heat gun, didn't work so I switched to a torch. Still had to use channel locks to get it off, screwing up the finish on the last 2" or so on barrel. But if you remove it, it is aluminum, I had put the channel locks on it before I realized that, it's a bit mangled now.
Good to know. Thank you
The .177 are a hassle to try to manipulate. ... But a pellet pen can make a world of difference when loading.
I agree about the .177 being a hassle but I didn't know about the pellet pen. Thanks for the tip!
Wow! You got good taste.
Thank you sir, sounds like we have similar tastes! ;)
Warning it won't end there you'll be getting more 😊
Yeah I'm going to try and keep it under control but I've already talked myself into 2 rifles when it was supposed to be just one and already have my eye on a few other things... :-[
Btw, a 95s range and power is worthy of a scope and I wouldn't even consider switching the rifle your considering to open sights. If you ever do just buy a new new barrel, they're cheap enough and I'll give you the open sights from mine. I will say my Hw30 with Williams peep sights is my favorite rifle to shoot. Bar none, including powder burners.
I thought about keeping the 30 with irons but I'm getting old man eyes and just can't see well enough to shoot irons well. Then again, I admit I've never tried the Williams peep sight and I've always read good things about it. Assuming I do get the urban pro model with the 4x scope, I will probably replace the scope with a 2-7x but I'll try the 4x out first before making any final decisions.
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I scoped my 30 laminate with a 2-7x32 Hawke Airmax. Its a perfect little scope for that gun. The Vantage 2-7x32 AO (mildot) is nice too for almost half the price. I need 2.0 reading glasses and it kills me not to be able to use regular iron sights anymore but the Williams peep sights work like magic. I would switch my first Hw30 back and forth between peeps and scope and when they dropped the price on the laminate, I jumped on it. The laminate is much prettier but my original 30 with the peeps is much more fun. At my local FT range I whack 2" spinners with it out to 50 yards, no problem. It's also taken more pests inside of 30 yards. Anyway try the peeps on one of your rifles, I guarantee you'll be amazed.
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I scoped my 30 laminate with a 2-7x32 Hawke Airmax. Its a perfect little scope for that gun. The Vantage 2-7x32 AO (mildot) is nice too for almost half the price.
Thanks for the suggestion. Been looking around at scopes but hadn't decided on anything. I'm a big Leupold fan and was thinking about the VX-Freedom 2-7x33mm Rimfire. It's around the same price as the Hawke Airmax, the Leupold is lighter but the Hawke has the AO. I might have to give the Hawke a try?
I need 2.0 reading glasses and it kills me not to be able to use regular iron sights anymore but the Williams peep sights work like magic. I would switch my first Hw30 back and forth between peeps and scope and when they dropped the price on the laminate, I jumped on it. The laminate is much prettier but my original 30 with the peeps is much more fun. At my local FT range I whack 2" spinners with it out to 50 yards, no problem. It's also taken more pests inside of 30 yards. Anyway try the peeps on one of your rifles, I guarantee you'll be amazed.
Yup, I'm the same boat with the readers and irons (getting old is not fun) but it sounds like I need to give the Williams sight a try sometime. Thanks again
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"I'm a big Leupold fan and was thinking about the VX-Freedom 2-7x33mm Rimfire."
https://www.leupold.com/scopes/rifle-scopes/vx-freedom-rimfire-2-7x33 (https://www.leupold.com/scopes/rifle-scopes/vx-freedom-rimfire-2-7x33)
From the above.............
"Our VX-Freedom 2-7x33 Rimfire Scope gives you a closer 60 yard focus distance and a rimfire specific Rimfire MOA reticle"
Can you live with a "60 yard focus distance" on a fixed focus scope for airgun distances?
The closest Leupold to the 2-7x33 that will parallax down to 10 METERS (about 33 feet) is this scope which Leupold lists for about $390 but can be bought from Optics Planet for about $300..........
https://www.leupold.com/scopes/rifle-scopes/vx-freedom-efr-3-9x33 (https://www.leupold.com/scopes/rifle-scopes/vx-freedom-efr-3-9x33)
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HW95 has open sight option and a fixed 4, 6 or 8x scope is plenty fir the rifle.
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I put a scope on my HW30S .22 to find it's a tack driver to 25 yards.
The HW95Ls are also tack drivers.
The weight and cocking effort of the HW95L is ideal for my who doesn't like to wear himself out recocking for another shot. It never wears me out to keep firing .25 or .22 pellets with the scopes attached and wonder at the slam and accuracy. The HW30 .22 does NOT have enough slam to dispatch a squirrel properly compared to the HW95L, yet the latter actually is not unwieldy in any way; especially if you have been shooting something bigger like an HW80.
I'd steer you to the HW95L in .22 since I did the same and even found out a nice Swar scope works perfectly for it.
The HW30 really is too light to stock all bets in.
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Save yourself some money. Just get the Hawke Vantage 2-7x32 AO with a mildot reticle its a great little scope for a hundred bucks. The glass quality and size fit the Hw30 perfectly. You don't need luepold glass for a gun that lives mostly inside 30 yards. I stretch my 30s out to 50 yards but it's for "makes me laugh silly fun". Past 30 yards use your Hw95. The Hw30 as much as I love them have no real power past 30 yards and thus perfectly suited for more economic glass. A straight 4 power is all you really need on one. YOU WILL WANT an A/O scope on it though.
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Can you live with a "60 yard focus distance" on a fixed focus scope for airgun distances?
The closest Leupold to the 2-7x33 that will parallax down to 10 METERS (about 33 feet) is this scope which Leupold lists for about $390
Its not that hard to manually change the parallax setting on Leupold non/AO scopes but yes, an A/O scope would be better.
I actually had a Leupold 3-9x33 EFR on my last R7 and loved it. I love that scope and have a few of them and IMO, they are worth every dime. Every time I've tried a lower cost alternative I've been disappointed.
I know a lot of people would never spend as much on a scope as they did the rifle they are mounting it on but I have no problem with that. Glass is just as important as the rest of the rig IMO.
That said, I am open to other options and the Hawke seems like a strong alternative but I'll worry about that after I actually get the rifle and see how I do with the scope it comes with? I will probably be getting the R9 first and from what I've read, the scope that comes with that one is pretty good?
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If your taste in scopes is as such, no included scope will be satisfactory. You're far better off buying the unscoped version for less money and putting quality glass on it from the start. That is as long as of course if there's unscoped versions available. Unfortunately included scopes seldom match a $39 Centerpoint or UTG.
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My powder burners all wear Leupold's, never been disappointed. But my 95 fieldpro came bundled with a weihrauch 3-9x40 scope and its quite good. Point of impact doesn't shift when magnification changes, and the glass is very clear. It's not a Leupold, but I'd say it is comparable to the Leupold VX-2 from about 20 years ago. Leupold has made many upgrades since then, but the old VX-2s were a great scope. Weihrauch scope has target turrets and 1/8 minute clicks. I have no plans on upgrading.
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There is a long held belief among many...myself included, spend as much on glass as on weapon... No one ever regretted good glass!
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Grab a Beeman R9 in .20, or the HW95 in .22, they are very versatile. I prefer a super clean look and since I don’t really shoot past 20 yards I have a 3 moa red dot mounted on my R9 and ordered a sweet factory looking muzzle brake from spiralgroove here.
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If your taste in scopes is as such, no included scope will be satisfactory. You're far better off buying the unscoped version for less money and putting quality glass on it from the start. That is as long as of course if there's unscoped versions available. Unfortunately included scopes seldom match a $39 Centerpoint or UTG.
Buying them unscoped would be my preference but there is not identical unscoped versions of the 2 I'm looking at. I may look at other 30s models but I'm pretty set on the 95L Pro Field model. The good news is the Weihrauch 3x9 that comes on the 95L Pro is supposed to be pretty good (confirmed by Mrblonde40). The 4x on the 30s is probably pretty decent too but I'm just not a fan of fixed power scopes.
Supposedly Weihrauch doesn't put cheap scopes in their combos? We'll see when I get them but if I decide to replace them, I can always sell them to recoup some of the cost.
There is a long held belief among many...myself included, spend as much on glass as on weapon... No one ever regretted good glass!
Yeah, I think some people think spending big bucks on quality glass is a waste. I think some may even think its snobby but all I can tell you is once you spend some time behind good glass, it's really hard to go back.
The funny things is, its all a matter of perspective. Some here may think that Leupolds are high dollar fancy stuff but go to a long range precision center-fire forum and they will tell you how crappy Leupolds are and how they won't buy anything cheaper then a Nightforce but prefer brands such as Schmidt and Bender.
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Long range... March optics; tho not applicable to springers ;)
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If your taste in scopes is as such, no included scope will be satisfactory. You're far better off buying the unscoped version for less money and putting quality glass on it from the start. That is as long as of course if there's unscoped versions available. Unfortunately included scopes seldom match a $39 Centerpoint or UTG.
Buying them unscoped would be my preference but there is not identical unscoped versions of the 2 I'm looking at. I may look at other 30s models but I'm pretty set on the 95L Pro Field model. The good news is the Weihrauch 3x9 that comes on the 95L Pro is supposed to be pretty good (confirmed by Mrblonde40). The 4x on the 30s is probably pretty decent too but I'm just not a fan of fixed power scopes.
Supposedly Weihrauch doesn't put cheap scopes in their combos? We'll see when I get them but if I decide to replace them, I can always sell them to recoup some of the cost.
There is a long held belief among many...myself included, spend as much on glass as on weapon... No one ever regretted good glass!
Yeah, I think some people think spending big bucks on quality glass is a waste. I think some may even think its snobby but all I can tell you is once you spend some time behind good glass, it's really hard to go back.
The funny things is, its all a matter of perspective. Some here may think that Leupolds are high dollar fancy stuff but go to a long range precision center-fire forum and they will tell you how crappy Leupolds are and how they won't buy anything cheaper then a Nightforce but prefer brands such as Schmidt and Bender.
Just in case you didn't notice this. I'm sure this scope would handle the light recoil of the Hw30 but the 60yd parallax is problematic. I heard that Leupold will re-parralex it close to 35 yrds for a nominal fee. This scope may have issues with the Hw95 based on this q&a on the luepold website. You can always put a sportsmatch dampa mount under it and that should protect it. I understand the attraction to good glass I just forgot there's people that can afford it. I have to watch my spending carefully and made the most common human failing, thinking everyone is like them. My bad. You picked a couple of fine rifles and I know you will enjoy them.
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I know back in the day, all Leupold scopes where airgun rated/warrentied but I figured I'd check with the latest gen and this is the response I got (asked them about the 2-7x rimfire and 3-9x EFR)....
Thank you for writing us. All of our scopes would be able to withstand the unique recoil from an air rifle. With that said, the two scopes you listed would be great choices.
For the 2-7x33mm Rimfire model, the parallax would be set to 60 yards.
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I used to work in a gun store about 20 years ago. A lot of the people would say that you were just paying for the name when you bought a Leupold. They would then buy a Tasco or Simmons, a lot of them were back the next week returning the scope when it broke on their first trip to the range. Almost never saw returns on Leupold (or Burris, Nikon, or the higher end Bushnell or Weaver). The Zeiss and Schmidt and Benders were beautiful scopes, but out of my price range. When it comes to scopes I usually don't spend as much on the scope as the rifle, but pretty close. Like my varmint rifle was $550 (at the time I bought it) and the scope was around 480 if I remember correctly. And that scope is still on that gun thousands of rounds later still working just like the day I bought it. Is it cheaper in the long run to keep buying 50 dollar scopes every other year or spend the money on a good scope the first time? The Weihrauch scope that comes bundled on the 95 fieldpro retails for $235 btw.
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I remember my 1st experience with a Leupold. I swear that when looking through it that its clarity was better than my 20/20 vision. I mowed Mr Irwin's lawn for 2 months weekly to get it.
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I'm now saying a good piece of glass is necessary for me shooting beyond 25 yards. My R9 and two HW95Ls all have glass:
R9 .177 has 2-7X UCC Nikon Monarch
HW95L .22 has 3-9X Z3 Swarovsky
HW95L .25 has 1.5-4.5X UCC Nikon Monarch
HW80 .177 has Burris Compact 4-12X
HW80 .20 has Vortex Viper 2.5-10X
The .177 R9 is hold sensitive! Once I realized this I found out why the .177s don't appeal to me as much as a .20--when the pellet gets heavier the hold sensitivity goes down.