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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: Bayman on October 03, 2019, 10:10:10 AM
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I have a 177 HW 95 and 97 that I'm considering trying heavier pellets in them for longer ranges (50 plus yards) . I am looking for advice from other Weihrauch owners who have tried pellets over 10 grains. I mostly shoot 7.9 CPLs and 8.44 Exacts through them now.
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My HW50 really likes the AA 10.3g Heavies. I used them to shoot a field target match over the weekend and was hitting the 50 yard targets with pretty good frequency (more so than the middle targets :P). They fit nice and snug and don't seem to affect the shot cycle even though they are quite a bit heavier than what this rig should be shooting. I'm shooting them at about 650 - 660 fps.
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Every single .177 HW of mine LOVES CP Heavies. The 7-8 grain pellets never outdo them in any of my .177s, and I question the making of 7-8gr pellets for the .177 despite what some historical experts can say about that weight which is idolized unnecessarily.
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My hw97 shoots the JSB 10.3s better than any other weight I’ve tested. The JSB monster 13.4s, however, did not shoot well at all. In fact, none of my guns shoot the 13.4s well.
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10g JSBs/AAs always surpass lightweights in my low and medium powered AGs.
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I've had good luck with Daystate Rangemaster sovereigns(JSB 10.3, different dies) and H&N Hunter extremes(9.57 grain). Have fun! Got Daystsates from AOA.
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Just to second chouchin's recommendation, the H&N hunter extreme 9.57 did great in my HW95. 10 shot groups 18 yards groups of .505 and .469" at edges, so ctc group size less than 1/3".
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My old R9 likes Crosman 10.5s.
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User nced has used lots of 7.9 and 10.4 grain pellets in his HW95 and R9 (might not have the exact weight correct). Apparently, the heavier pellets work well, but spring life is reduced due to greater piston bounce.
Will send him a PM so he can speak for himself.
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FWIW-My HW 50 hates the H&N Snipper mediums 8.5 grains. >:( My LP-8 loves them! :-*
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AA Diabolo Field Heavies shoot awesome at 900 fps from my PCP. To my surprise, they also shoot awesome from my HW97 tuned to around 10.5 ft. lbs. They seem to be a really good pellet.
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Quoted with permission from nced from his PM:
Simple........springs in HW guns break faster when 10.5 grain pellets are used. This claim was made by Jim Maccari ("The Spring Man" now of Air Rifle Headquarters) decades ago and I found this to be true when my brother only shot CPH (10.5 grain) pellets. At that time we both shot about 10,000 shots per year (a 1250 count box per month) and a good Maccari aftermarket spring would be replaced about every other season. After a couple years my brother switched to the 7.9 grain CPL and his spring breakage was reduced. After the switch to lighter pellets I only replaced one Maccari spring and it spent half of it's "life" shooting heavies. The new replacement spring never broke while still living in West Virginia (moved to North Carolina) a few years later.
Anywhoo.....Weirauch considers main springs and piston seals to be "consumables" (like tires on a car) to be replaced when needed and not expensive. LOL.....even a good ARH bare spring costs less than $20 and the HW95 is a relatively easy gun to respring with a moderate amount of mechanical ability.
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Quoted with permission from nced from his PM:
Simple........springs in HW guns break faster when 10.5 grain pellets are used. This claim was made by Jim Maccari ("The Spring Man" now of Air Rifle Headquarters) decades ago and I found this to be true when my brother only shot CPH (10.5 grain) pellets. At that time we both shot about 10,000 shots per year (a 1250 count box per month) and a good Maccari aftermarket spring would be replaced about every other season. After a couple years my brother switched to the 7.9 grain CPL and his spring breakage was reduced. After the switch to lighter pellets I only replaced one Maccari spring and it spent half of it's "life" shooting heavies. The new replacement spring never broke while still living in West Virginia (moved to North Carolina) a few years later.
Anywhoo.....Weirauch considers main springs and piston seals to be "consumables" (like tires on a car) to be replaced when needed and not expensive. LOL.....even a good ARH bare spring costs less than $20 and the HW95 is a relatively easy gun to respring with a moderate amount of mechanical ability.
I don't use either Weihrauch or JM springs. I have Vortek kits in all my Weihrauch springers. If the spring tanks its 15 minutes and $18 plus shipping for a new one. Fwiw Weihrauch factory springs are terrible. They always break on me before 10k rounds. The Vortek springs soften after 2or 3k rounds by about a half pound of energy and then stabilize. My Hw30s started with 8.5 fpe and settled into 8 and one of the has at least 20k rounds through it with the Vortek spring. The other Hw30 I got in April 2019 and kitted it immediately. I guarantee it still has at least 5k rounds through it. People here cry about the Vortek springs softening but an 8lb Hw30 or my Hw95 still making 15lbs 3 years and tens of thousands of rounds later, isn't terrible. If I eat an extra spring every few years to get the performance I want, out of a heavier pellet, I'm good with that. Granted it would be different if I had to ship a gun to someone to fix it.
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Hey Bayman,
Never tried Heavies in most of my Weihrauch Springers except after initially buying the gun... when trying to find THE pellet. So far CPL, AA 7.33, AA 7.87 or JSB 13.73 grain have always proven to be more accurate in my 12 yard range and outside when camping ;). Also, over the years, the shot cycle/tune of my guns are tailored to what has proven to be more accurate :D.
Of course ... this is from the bench and in optimal conditions when camping.
I have a variety of heavies used in my PCP's & will have to give them further evaluation in my Springers 8).
I welcome new ideas, always seeking anything providing increased accuracy.... ;)
Looking at the ballistic coefficients in Chair Gun, the JSB 10.34 (BC= .031) looks to be a good place to start.
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My 97 did not liked any Heavies (shotgun pattern), but preferred the standard Exacts.
My 50 did so/so with standard Exacts, but preferred the Express and even RS.
Give it a try with Heavies or Baracudas, isn't that just part of the fun shooting airguns ? Trying different pellets, holds, scopes...
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My HW98 does "fair" with the H&N Barracuda FT 9.57g, "Better" with their Baracuda Match 10.65g 4.52, but "Best" with the FTT 8.64g.
I am talking strictly group size at 10m out to 35yard... FPE doesn't matter to me if I can't hit exactly where I aim. Especially since I am usually only punchin paper.
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My HW98 does "fair" with the H&N Barracuda FT 9.57g, "Better" with their Baracuda Match 10.65g 4.52, but "Best" with the FTT 8.64g.
I am talking strictly group size at 10m out to 35yard... FPE doesn't matter to me if I can't hit exactly where I aim. Especially since I am usually only punchin paper.
AGREED. For me its ALWAYS accuracy over firepower. I believe that with all my heart. Including powder burning rifles and hand guns. A cannon is useless if you miss your target. That said, I'm still open to experimenting to find a good accurate heavish pellet that drifts less and delivers more energy down range. It's a part of the fun that airguns is to me. If I can get accuracy and a little more womp at the end, why not.
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It's a part of the fun that airguns is to me.
AREED! That is why I have such a variety of pellets! ;D
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Yeah Guys,
This is a little off topic, but after watching a few videos made by Si Pittaway (using Chairgun to your comparative advantage), if you're willing to put in the time ... the Art of shooting can demystified after understanding everything happening to your projectile. Most variables can measured, controlled or adjusted for when shooting assuming your gun is accurate.
At the same time as you dope everything out, have the gun tuned for "The Purpose" at hand only.
After watching him, if you truly want to great, consistent accuracy, you must be very disciplined and calculated in your approach.
Si's results are exceptional because he's removed all the possible errors from the equation, besides himself.
I have only have moderate discipline, hence my results while being pretty good ... are limited in scope.