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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: smythsg on October 02, 2019, 12:02:18 AM
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A bit of a quandry, what do you think?
I ordered a Seneca Recluse .357 (single tube) from Pyramid Air, and when it arrived, it would not hold air. Had a chat with the fantastic folks at Pyramid, and ended up sending it back for a replacement. The replacement finally arrived and I have spent some time trying to zero the rifle, but since it is so loud, I cannot shoot it in my normal airgun range in my side yard. This means that I get about three good shots at the range, and then have to load up and head back without feeling like the gun is properly zeroed. Frustrating for sure...
I have the option to return the gun and exchange it for something else (leaning towards a 2500 Carbine in .25 cal) but everytime I get ready to box it up, I keep hesitating because I love the looks, power, and those great big .35/9mm pellets.
I will not hunt deer with the gun, but will hunt Yotes and Pigs. What do you think?
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Only three shots? Do you not have a portable fill source?
If you're kinda tight, I'd recommend a cheap Chinese hand pump. You're gonna have to work for those fills, but on the other side of the coin you don't have to pay for a bottle fill. If you have a little bit of cash, I'd recommend springing for a portable compressor. They run anywhere from 300-700 bucks. Those should be good for the range. I'd also recommend a LDC so that you can shoot a little more at home. I can't imagine trying to zero in a rifle three shots at a time. It can be done, but for me personally I'd opt for more shots.
A Carbine Sumatra is a great rifle...and I'm sure it'll be effective on both the Yotes and the Pigs. I'd recommend sending it to Mr. Will Piatt; he's known to work magic on those Sam Yangs. I have a Sumatra long...and this thing is definitely no toy. It'll send 48gr HP BT slugs downrange at 100FPE. And that's not even at full power. :o
If you can afford it, get both. And also budget for two LDCs as well. Just my input. 8)
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The recluse is a pretty rifle, I have the single tube and love. It's still stock. If it still tugs at ya, I would send it to Will Piatt and let him do his magic on it. Then get Donny at DonnyFL to fit you for a LDC for it, then you can shoot without upsetting the neighbors. Email both for questions, the response will be quicker than phone calls. It's not that they won't talk, it's because they are busy with orders. The recluse is great for the pig and coyote problem. Being where you are, scuba tanks and shops or paintball tanks and shops should be close by you. I used scuba tanks until I purchased an AV Nomad ll compressor to fill my guns.
https://sites.google.com/site/saddlemountaingunsmith/home/sam-yang-recluse-9mm
https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/sam-yang-m18x1-adapter-a26
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I ordered a Seneca Recluse .357 (single tube) ......This means that I get about three good shots at the range......
That is why I like the Sam Yang 500CC dual tank air rifles: more shots out the fill. (But more weight.)
Can you use the low power of the Recluse?
... without feeling like the gun is properly zeroed. Frustrating for sure...
What pellets or slug do you use?
Have you cleaned the barrel bore and if so, what have you used?
Have you checked the scope rail screws, the ringnut and the hexcrews of the front sight?
Sam Yang has his own LCDs: picture.
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In the end, both guns are very loud but they can both be tamed with an LDC. The Sumatra is a great rifle from my experience and I hear the recluse is as well. Both will effectively take out the game you mentioned but the advantage of the recluse is that you can take body shots instead of just headshots. The 500cc doubles are certainly the way to go for shot count. I am inclined to agree that perhaps you should experiment with other pellets for the recluse as well.
Why not keep the recluse and add the Sumatra in the future as suggested? I understand the cost and that may not be an option. With either gun I would suggest a tank as well so that you get more shooting in at the range.
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Thanks for the replys all.
Paul, I do have a compressor and two hand pumps, but can't take the compressor to the range and hand pumping at the range (indoor) will be difficult.
Pellets are not the issue, I have Neilson slugs and JSB 81 gn, and I know both are very accurate in the Recluse. The barrel has been scrubbed and is in good shape.
The one thing I do not have is a portable air tank. I had one in the past but sold it a while back before acquiring the Recluse. Looks like that will be my next purchase...
An LDC will probably be in the future as well, but I don't want to add 8 or 9 inches to the front of the rifle so will have to explore those options.
As I write this, I am coming to the realization that my biggest concern with the Recluse is just shot count, and a portable tank will help with that issue. The Recluse is here to stay!! Thanks all for helping me figure that out.
Sarge, I already have my SPA M16 in .25 shooting about 50 ft lbs so keeping the Recluse, I will probably not add a Sumatra to the stable unless I part ways with the SPA. On the other hand, it might not be too hard to convince myself that I "need" a Sumatra...
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I get 40 good shots with my double tube SY Sumatra carbine.
I am soooo glad that noise is not an issue where I live. I like the convincing report of a powerful gun and I despise the look of a big ole can on a gun.
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Thanks for the replys all.
Paul, I do have a compressor and two hand pumps, but can't take the compressor to the range and hand pumping at the range (indoor) will be difficult.
Pellets are not the issue, I have Neilson slugs and JSB 81 gn, and I know both are very accurate in the Recluse. The barrel has been scrubbed and is in good shape.
The one thing I do not have is a portable air tank. I had one in the past but sold it a while back before acquiring the Recluse. Looks like that will be my next purchase...
An LDC will probably be in the future as well, but I don't want to add 8 or 9 inches to the front of the rifle so will have to explore those options.
As I write this, I am coming to the realization that my biggest concern with the Recluse is just shot count, and a portable tank will help with that issue. The Recluse is here to stay!! Thanks all for helping me figure that out.
Sarge, I already have my SPA M16 in .25 shooting about 50 ft lbs so keeping the Recluse, I will probably not add a Sumatra to the stable unless I part ways with the SPA. On the other hand, it might not be too hard to convince myself that I "need" a Sumatra...
Oooh. So you can't use a compressor at the range? Then I'd recommend either the tank (if you have a decent amount of cash) or the portable compressor. With the portable you can run it off your car battery and all you'd need to do is go out to refill, if they don't allow you to use it at the range. If they allow you to use it at the range, then pick up a cheap battery and bring it in with you. The cost of a battery and a lower priced portable (for example, a Spark) is less than a 75CF SCBA tank. I plan on getting a tank, but I need to replenish my CC first. ;D
As for the LDC, my Sumatra Long has one, and in all honesty, it doesn't throw off the balance all that much. Yes, it's a little heavier, but that's something that I can live with for now. Lol...I thought my BullBoss was heavy. Now it feels so much lighter after handling the Long. Still not overwhelming, though...so I'm still a happy camper. I haven't heard how a Recluse sounds without a LDC, but I will tell you this about the Long: LOUD. Like, it-almost-sounds-like-a-.308 LOUD. :o I took the LDC off for a shot, and you could hear the report actually travel through valley and up the Cliffside. I am so glad I didn't shoot it in the backyard.
And speaking of the Sumatra, I knew that adding one to the stable would fill a pretty big niche. It's going to get quite a bit of shooting time, and that's because I can adjust power for whatever it is I need to do. I can turn the power wheel all the way down for smacking rats, turn it up midway to take care of the medium size critters, and then crank her up to max if I want to put some food on the table.
I might actually add a Carbine to the stable. More than likely, to be honest. I'll get it tuned by Mr. Piatt, and then I'll be bringing the rain. 8)
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I love my Seneca 2500 carbine in 25.
I have been chronying Seneca 42 grain pellets this week, it will shoot them on a range from 262 FPS to 890 FPS depending on which side of the power wheel you choose.
The magazines took a while to get used to, but now, after minor fitting and hands on experience they perform fine for me.
Loaded with a UTG reflex red dot site, it is around 7 lbs and points like a light saber.
And it is so accurate.
Roachcreek
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Those FPS readings are 10 feet from the screens. Tops with the 42 grain pellets is computed @ 910 FPS at the muzzle.
Roachcreek
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The previous owner of my Long had it tuned by Mr. Piatt. I don't know what the numbers were before the tune, but holy smokes it's a firebreather now. I know the carbine makes a little less power, but it's hard to argue with a short, light rifle that's accurate and can throw some heat.
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Gotta love Sumatras,
Most underrated guns in the airgun world !!
...if I can sell my Evanix stable I will be back in the Sumatras camp.
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I bought a Sam Yang Sumatra .25 carbine several years ago. Mostly due to what I read about them right on the GTA. I shot it for several months before sending it off to Will Piatt. Came back like a whole other gun. More power, more air efficient so shot count went up by at least 50%, power wheel is much more responsive now. Last but definitely not least, the trigger is much nicer. It's very hard to beat a carbine that's very accurate, light weight, agile & powerful. Especially when it pretty much shoots every pellet well. Mine really shines with the 43g Eun Jins & the 31g Baracudas.
I also now have a SY single tube Recluse tuned by WP as well, making 200+ fpe. I have a Neil Clague LDC coming for it, so I hope I can get a little more time in shooting it.