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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: buddyb on September 18, 2019, 12:22:03 AM
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Any recommendations on a .22 gas piston break barrel rifle that actually shoots Crossman Premier Hollow Points 14.3 grains at least 800 or more fps accurately? This will primarily be a squirrel rifle.
I've purchased 2 Benjamin Trail np2 elites in the last 2 weeks and both had to be sent back so I'm looking for a new rifle.
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there is a thread in the bargain gate on the Walther Parrus spring piston you'd have to look up the specs, I have one in .177 and its a large rifle. there's always Hatsan and Gamo but with my past experiences I can't recommend ???
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I feel your criteria are too tight for a realistic recommendation. On top of that much of the accuracy of a spring piston air rifle is dependent upon the shooter and a LOT of practice. Do you have a distance in mind for your squirrels? A springer is only accurate out to about fifty yards or so in the hands of a practiced shooter.
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Buddy, you need to specify the range at which you want to hit a target assumed to be 3/4" in diameter...
From time to time, there are interesting airguns for sale posted at the Bargain Gate: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=7 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=7)
Something like a RWS 34 should meet your needs. The question is if any are selling at your price point right now...
This may be close enough, considering delivery is free: https://www.amazon.com/Panther-Barrel-Powered-Composite-Caliber/dp/B001R67M3O/?th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Panther-Barrel-Powered-Composite-Caliber/dp/B001R67M3O/?th=1&psc=1)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-34p-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=1041 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-34p-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=1041)
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/rws-model-34-panther-.22/https://www.airgundepot.com/diana-rws-34p.html (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/rws-model-34-panther-.22/https://www.airgundepot.com/diana-rws-34p.html)
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Buddy, you need to specify the range at which you want to hit a target assumed to be 3/4" in diameter...
From time to time, there are interesting airguns for sale posted at the Bargain Gate: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=7 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=7)
Something like a RWS 34 should meet your needs. The question is if any are selling at your price point right now...
This may be close enough, considering delivery is free: https://www.amazon.com/Panther-Barrel-Powered-Composite-Caliber/dp/B001R67M3O/?th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Panther-Barrel-Powered-Composite-Caliber/dp/B001R67M3O/?th=1&psc=1)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-34p-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=1041 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-34p-air-rifle-synthetic-stock?m=1041)
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/rws-model-34-panther-.22/https://www.airgundepot.com/diana-rws-34p.html (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/spring-piston/rws-model-34-panther-.22/https://www.airgundepot.com/diana-rws-34p.html)
Most of us have our favorites; hence, opinions will vary. The German made break barrels have seriously impressed me (I have two) but they are more expensive. I've bought and tamed a Gamo and a Crosman--rather I've bought and kept these two but have returned several others due to "issues or problems."
However, you did a great job of specifying what you want: a .22 cal., a cheap reliable pellet break barrel (Neither my Gamo nor my Crosman prefer or shoo the best with a CPHP), and a gun that shoots well enough for killing squirrels. I practice weekly with my break barrels and can now consistently eradicate pests out to 28 yards--with any of my break barrels. So, yes, you should be able to get one and do what you want. I recommnend that you contact Mike Melick at Flying Dragon Air rifles (http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/ (http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/)) and get him to spec out one of his guns. Otherwise, get in the required number of posts to access the classifieds and see if a member here might sell you one used. I've gotten solid deals on great guns used from people here. The forum has really nice folks to interact with.
Best of luck,
Archie
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Virtually all springers new from the box will require some level of cleaning/lubing/tuning and break in period.... as well as the shooter.
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A used RWS 34.
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Hi, Buddy,
As far as cheap gas ram guns that make that kind of power (20 fpe), there's various Hatsans, Crosman/Benjamin NP and NP2, maybe higher powered Gamos or Chinese Beemans. Be sure to buy from a place with a good return policy, as cheap rifles may have QC issues.
Requiring any gun to be accurate with a certain pellet, especially a cheap pellet, is unrealistic, IMO. Sometimes it happens, but often it doesn't. You could have two identical make and model guns that have two different pellet preferences, and not many of mine shoot that great with CPHP .22. I've found H&N Field Target Trophy to be a goto pellet, especially in .22.
I understand your desire to get a powerful gun, but most experienced springer squirrel hunters, myself included, will advise you that accuracy is much more important than power. Mid power piston guns tend to be less jumpy and easier to shoot accurately than heavy hitters.
Consider .177 for its flatter trajectory and equal killing ability. Don't let yourself believe that a hot .22 will make up for poor shot placement- it won't. I would also recommend dropping the gas ram requirement. The only thing I like about rams is thier twang free shot cycle, but the same can be achieved with springers if you like to tinker.
My personal choice for a squirrel gun is the Beeman R9/HW95 in .177. It's well worth the extra expense in quality, accuracy, and handling. It's an investment to pass on to your children and grandchildren. If a lower budget must be adhered to, the highly regarded Diana RWS 34 gives excellent accuracy for the dollar. Keep an eye out for refurb deals.
I should note that there are some magnums that shoot very accurately, like the Diana 350/460/48/54 variants and the Weihrauch HW90, but they are not cheap, and are big rifles to drag through the woods.
In the end, buy what looks good to you. Sometimes the only cure for magnumitus is experience with magnums. Sounds like you are already 2 guns into the journey.
Good luck and thanks for reading!
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Some recommend .22 for hunting etc, but I wouldn't get hung up on it. Others quickly point out that sub 12 FPE guns do squirrels and rabbits in both .177 and .22.
So, being a new airgunner, go for the easy to use and well behaved and highly recommended guns. If I may add my experience, my CFX was never a high power rifle. It might have been launching 9.3 gr .117 wadcutters in the mid 800s at one time, but when the spring broke, I estimated low 700s and I still easily took squirrels with head and neck shots to my normal ranges of 25 yards. Chest shots were a little trickier because of the arm bones and upper shoulder "toughness". (It actually took a while for the broken spring to manifest itself--it was weird that it still worked even in that condition! Once the velocities got down to 600 something and it was making noises when I cocked it, I knew it was time to take a look...)
The flatness of the trajectory was sufficient at even those speeds. Of course, I didn't have a zero point, let alone two zeros, set...but that's another story. Suffice it to say I seem to like my point of impact set at about 1/2 mildot low in the 20 to 35 yard range and that makes everything happy, though it seems none of the software tools can cope with it.
Like the others are saying, long range accuracy will have to grow on you. Seemed like mine came in stages. At first I was happy with 20 yards (which still took some doing), then I found I could do 25 reliably and then came 30 yards. Seemed like there was a time when 30 yards for me was like dart throwing--a big maybe. I wouldn't even attempt it for the longest time. Not any more. Rested and practiced, that CFX/wadcutter combination even drilled squirrels at 45 yards, but it took me time to get up to it.
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Any recommendations on a .22 gas piston break barrel rifle that actually shoots Crossman Premier Hollow Points 14.3 grains at least 800 or more fps accurately? This will primarily be a squirrel rifle.
I've purchased 2 Benjamin Trail np2 elites in the last 2 weeks and both had to be sent back so I'm looking for a new rifle.
You never mentioned why you sent the Trail back. Were there defect issues or was it just not shooting well for you? How are you at shooting piston/spring guns?
I've got two Trail NP2, one in .177 and one in .22, and they both shoot very well with CPHP. As a matter of fact, that's essentially all I shoot through them. I can consistently hit a 55yd 3" steel target off the knees. It produces a very loud, solid ding, so I know it's hitting hard, even at that distance. I'm sure there's more than enough energy there to take out any tree rat at that distance. Mine has been untouched, straight out of the box.
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I blew right over the gas piston requirement. Here is the menu at under $200:
https://www.pyramydair.com/air-guns/rifles/gas-piston-rifles (https://www.pyramydair.com/air-guns/rifles/gas-piston-rifles)
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Just shot a couple test groups.
Seems you might not find anything to shoot CPHP accurately.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=162803.msg155814932#msg155814932 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=162803.msg155814932#msg155814932)
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My Crosman Phantom is very accurate and was like sixty bucks. The thing is the sights were such garbage I had to buy a red dot sight for it. Everyone who shoots it falls in love with it. What ever you decide on you might want to budget for a scope or red dot sight.
All of the .22 listed below shoot the Crosman CPHP very well. It is my go to pellet.
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A friend on mine has a Hatsan 95 Vortex QE that is a sweet shooting rifle under $200. Whether or not ANY rifle is going to shoot THAT certain pellet at THAT speed , will just be determined by trial & error. Did you send the other 2 rifles back just because they didn't meet those requirements ??
If so, you will probably be sending more back.
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Thanks everyone for your replies.
I'm trying to stay under $200 for budget reasons ;D
I was looking at the gas piston break barrels because I heard/read that the springers had an issue if left cocked for too long (not sure how long that is) but it worried me while hunting and it was cocked for an hour or more.
i would hope to be able to shoot a squirrel up to 30 or 40 yards if needed, most will be closer though and I'm looking at the .22 because there will be the occasional ground hog or racoon thrown in.
I returned the other 2 rifles for defects, the 1st gun the safety lever broke and the 2nd gun I think it was the scope but Pyramid Air wanted me to return the whole gun. I was able to shoot nickle size groups at 25 yards with the first gun and did with the second gun until about 100 shots then the groups really spread out. I was using the CDHP 14.3 grains so that's why I posted it that way. I'm totally open to other pellets and just didn't have a chance to try any out yet.
I'm also open to any advice or words of wisdom on shooting these guns because I am new at shooting springers/gas piston guns. I did use the artillery hold though and it seemed to work.
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The last 87QE I used absolutely loved Crosman domes.
If I was going to buy a squirrel-specific .22 gas-piston springer at this moment for under $200, I would purchase either a Hatsan 87QE or the 95QE. Unfortunately, there's no guarantee any gun will excel with a particular brand of pellet. Since we have internet and delivery works, I wouldn't concern myself too much with only one particular pellet. I order from Amazon and have zero problems. A lot of folks order from the big A but they get multiple things and have them shipped together- when this happens a pellet tin loses.
Though the Diana 34 is good, it is not gas-piston. I'm not sure why people are still recommending it since you stated the gas-piston requirement.
Another solid possibility are the Norica gas-piston guns. They use hammer-forged barrels and couple I've been lucky enough to use were not pellet-picky- and plenty accurate.
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Scopes bundled with springers are 'give aways'. If you got 100 shots out of one on your springer, you did good.
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Thanks everyone for your replies.
I was looking at the gas piston break barrels because I heard/read that the springers had an issue if left cocked for too long (not sure how long that is) but it worried me while hunting and it was cocked for an hour or more.
This has been greatly exaggerated. I've read accounts of people forgetting and leaving their Springer's cocked for months, and to find out they had only lost about 20fps.
You'd be fine leaving it cocked for an entire day of hunting.
I returned the other 2 rifles for defects, the 1st gun the safety lever broke and the 2nd gun I think it was the scope but Pyramid Air wanted me to return the whole gun. I was able to shoot nickle size groups at 25 yards with the first gun and did with the second gun until about 100 shots then the groups really spread out. I was using the CDHP 14.3 grains so that's why I posted it that way. I'm totally open to other pellets and just didn't have a chance to try any out yet.
I'm leaning towards the cheapo stock scope as the culprit. The double recoil of spring/piston guns are very hard on scopes.
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"I understand your desire to get a powerful gun, but most experienced springer squirrel hunters, myself included, will advise you that accuracy is much more important than power. Mid power piston guns tend to be less jumpy and easier to shoot accurately than heavy hitters.
Consider .177 for its flatter trajectory and equal killing ability. Don't let yourself believe that a hot .22 will make up for poor shot placement- it won't. I would also recommend dropping the gas ram requirement. The only thing I like about rams is thier twang free shot cycle, but the same can be achieved with springers if you like to tinker."
This was spot on.
...and why stress a gas piston system out by leaving it compressed long term? Could or can do it doesnt mean should do it.
And one last time so you get it 100% clear . No one can predict what pellet will shoot well out of any model of gun. Quite the opposite is what happens. You'll need to test a bunch of pellets to find what is: best, acceptable for the needs, or lousy when shot out of each gun you ever have. It's just the way it works.
Good luck.
IMO Skip $200.00 springers go multi-pump pneumatic and for accuracy on your prey size out to 35 yards, in a new gun that could sit by the back door ready to fire, I'd say a Benjamin 397S or Seneka .177 Dragonfly. My Dragonfly is at the speed (you think) you need and is scope ready...but seems more pellet picky and some need a very easy transfer port clean up in the bore. The 397S Is ready to shoot and can sit indefinitely, pumped and ready to fire, but it would want a scope mounting adapter. Both are recommended as being stored with at least one or more pumps in them, and are not to be stored with no pumps.
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I like shooting my Crosman Vantage NP more than my Trail NP2. Both are .177 and I find the older NP gas piston to be smoother and less harsh to shoot than the NP2 power plants. It may not apply in .22 cal or even another .177 but mine shoots the CPHP 10.4 really well.
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A used RWS 34.
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A used RWS 34.
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Except gas-piston requirement.
Otherwise, the 34 is a great airgun.
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You could always go with a Xisico XS-25 or XS-25S from Flying Dragon Air Rifles and have Mr. Mike Melick give it his special attention - "full tune". Give the site a look-see and carefully consider what it is you are expecting your air rifles to do for you.
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A magnum .22 for bigger critters is totally sound reasoning.
I've never had a problem hunting all day with a cocked springer. It's leaving them cocked for weeks that will sack the spring out.
Nickel groups at 25 yards is good results with a magnum springer. You might want to try another Trail NP2 if you liked them. It can be risky to send a cheap accurate rifle in for warranty lest you receive a less accurate replacement. If you get another accurate one, the GTA will be glad to help you troubleshoot and fix any problems that come up.
If you have credit at Pyramyd and want to try a different gun, the Diana 34P is probably their best springer in the $200 range. You might also be happy with a Hatsan that has the power you are looking for.
I highly recommend investing in an airgun rated AO scope, even a cheap one to start- just buy from somewhere with a good return policy. Bundled scopes are usually placeholders at best. I set them aside for troubleshooting or mounting on garage sale rifles.
My springer advice is to shoot often, practice different hunting positions and try to hold the gun so it can recoil linearly without pushing it off course- notice that the POI might change if you are braced on the right side of a tree -vs- the left. As far as maintenance, keep the screws tight (medium strength threadlocker helps), wipe the metal down with an oily rag when you're done shooting, and pull some patches through the barrel if accuracy degrades.
Have fun!
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Very good advice from DanD. I would also have to agree with everyone who recommends The RWS/Diana 34. I have never had one but would like one. I have done a lot of reading on here about the 34 and it seems to be pretty unanimous that it would be very accurate out of the box with a great trigger compared to other offerings.
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What's your thoughts on the Benjamin 392s, I know it doesn't have the power of the other guns but it seems pretty accurate? i wonder if the added pumping of the gun would nullify the possibility getting a second shot if the first one misses? It is a little pricey too.
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The 392 has been made forever now, so it should be a good choice. It is a challenge to scope, and you will have to work for your shots. A lot of us shot pumpers of various makes for years. Don't miss.
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I can take any small game/pest within my property boundries with a 392. Most with 5 pumps or less. As others have said... accuracy trumps power.
The topic title says "under $200". The 392 is under $200.
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I'm a huge fan of the 392- I own one- a 392PA technically.
I've taken a lot of tree-rats with mine, and I rarely pump more than 5 times. Since they are mostly brass and wood, they have Very Long Lives. Store it with one pump, and be sure to clean off any paint overspray inside the crown. The 392 is kinda known for the overspray, and I've never heard of an inaccurate 392 who accuracy woes were not resolved by cleaning the overspray.
Mine is bone-stock, has about 8000 pellets through it give or take, and works well with a good number of pellets. JSB and Air Arms domes work especially well, but my favorites are RWS Mesiterkugeln wadcutters (no better shot range pesting pellet is made). Despite using iron sights and 50-year old eyes that have been stuck with glasses for over 40 of those years, I can give squirrels fatal migraines at 35+ yrds on 5 pumps.
In areas with extended summer seasons, I also can vouch for the Crosman Custom Shop 2400KT CO carbines. I used mine extensively this summer for pesting needs- it is surgically precise with a range of pellets, including CP domes. The simple fact you can buy one with a Lothar Walther barrel for under $150 makes it a steal. However, I do not consider them the best choice for longer pesting shots as they are CO2 airguns.
The 392 is also a fantastic prepper/woods-gun. They are light, near indestructible, do not corrode, and don't cost much.
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Thanks for your replies again. I think my searching for a gun may be over. A member here stepped up and offered me a good deal on a gun. Its a Benjamin NP XL 1100 .22. It may take me a while to get used to it but I'm up to the challenge. :)
If they're still available I may pick up a 392s for my wife next year.
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IMO Skip $200.00 springers go multi-pump pneumatic .... or Seneka .177 Dragonfly.
Dragonfly has very poor pumping ergonomics, in my opinion. At that price point, the PCP version may make more sense: https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-stormrider-multi-shot-pcp-air-rifle?m=4449 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-stormrider-multi-shot-pcp-air-rifle?m=4449)
Read this post first, though: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=162535.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=162535.0)
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Thanks for your replies again. I think my searching for a gun may be over. A member here stepped up and offered me a good deal on a gun. Its a Benjamin NP XL 1100 .22. It may take me a while to get used to it but I'm up to the challenge. :)
If they're still available I may pick up a 392s for my wife next year.
Hey, I got one of those in synth stock. Darn near forgot about it.
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I actually shot one yesterday at Baker airguns. It felt pretty good to shoot.
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Couple suggestions. Walmart online has the .22 caliber Redtail for $89. One gent above likes his Crosman Vantage. Amazon has it in that caliber at about $91. These are both NP's. If a Norica springer in .22 would work, Amazon has the Dragon at about $76. I hear the trigger is stiff, but may loosen with use. I'll mentipn the Beeman Midel 78S, which is a CO2 shooter wirh a sybthetic stock.Amazon just dropped the price to about $85. I'd get one of these, but they won't ship it to me in Hawaii. TKO makes amuzzle brake for these, and they get reallt good reviews for this Beeman.
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Picked up a .177 Norica Black Eagle on Amazon for $91, they used to sell the .22 but no restock expected. checked the distributor and no .22 listed. the Black Eagle has a nice adjustable 2 stage trigger. I would have no problems using it for small game.
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Your budget is too low for a good springer and the Idea you should settle for less in a pump up or nitro piston is money down the drain with frustration.
I've bought cheap springers (two: Walther Parrus and Terrus) from a reputable company costing MORE than $200 and now I want to send them away to someone who needs them without spending money--but I also know the guns aren't worth anyone's time.
They sit as junk in a room gathering dust and room (they are big as well and heavy). Lots of uselessly put together sheet metal.
You'll get the same in $200 range.
People here should be talking you out of spending your first $200 on a worthless springer. Add $200 more and when you've got it (however long it takes you got $200 NOW!). For $400 you are in the ballpark of quality that can last a lifetime without frustration.
Sorry to jump the boat saying get cheap.
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Your budget is too low for a good springer and the Idea you should settle for less in a pump up or nitro piston is money down the drain with frustration.
I've bought cheap springers (two: Walther Parrus and Terrus) from a reputable company costing MORE than $200 and now I want to send them away to someone who needs them without spending money--but I also know the guns aren't worth anyone's time.
They sit as junk in a room gathering dust and room (they are big as well and heavy). Lots of uselessly put together sheet metal.
You'll get the same in $200 range.
People here should be talking you out of spending your first $200 on a worthless springer. Add $200 more and when you've got it (however long it takes you got $200 NOW!). For $400 you are in the ballpark of quality that can last a lifetime without frustration.
Sorry to jump the boat saying get cheap.
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I would not of suggested the Black Eagle if imho it wasn't above the standard of inexpensive springers, it's not equal to my german or UK rifles, but a very good value. I have both the Terrus and Parrus in .177 I like the Terrus it's about equal to my Webley Vulcan and Stingray in shot cycle and trigger feel. I do agree that the Parrus is too big and too heavy. ;D
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I checked out several of the guns mentioned and they're nice guns and some day I might have one or two of them, just not right now. Thanks for all the suggestions and opinions though.
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You can purchase an HW-30 from Krale without blowing a wad of money. HW-30 = R-7.
When it comes to critter-blasting on a budget, though, there is no springer on the planet as smooth as a 392. Recoil-free. No spring torque. No anti-beartrap device, you can leave it "cocked and loaded" all day...or week... or month... And a 392 weighs a good deal less than any springer I've handled- no worries about corrosion, and they tend to be pretty darn accurate. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of higher-end guns like the FWB-300 and even more the 124. I've been yearning for a 65 or 65MKII since forever... but for a relative newcomer, I always advise starting out in airguns with something that most-closely resembles a firearm at the lowest cost, and that's the 397/392.
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I liked the 392s a lot and definitely see myself with one one day. I checked it out at Baker Airguns earlier this week, its light weight and shoulders well.
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I have a 392, a Diana 48, 52, 45, as well as a hatsan 87, a summit ranger, prowler, and a clone of the rws 350 magnum that you are welcome to shoot.
I live in central OH and have a range in my basement as well as backyard.
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Dear Fellow GTA Members
I am the person who offered my 22 Cal Benjamin Trail NP XL NP 1100 to Buddy for..... $40 + Shipping Costs
I and Buddy think this was a Good Deal for a Proven Rifle.
This covered my costs, that I spent this spring, for a 25 Cal Hatsan 125TH rifle that I bought from cherokeesteeve.
I got this Benjamin Trail NPXL 1100 rifle thru the GTA Classifieds three years ago ..in-trade...for a spotting scope I was not using.
The rifle is about six or seven years old but is is in very good shape and has the nicer wood stock and checkering that was used on the earlier Gen 1 models.
The deal was never about the money..it was all about sending him a 22 Cal Rifle with more power than an NP2 Rifle that he had already tried out. It was also about getting him a... Good Hunting Type of Gun Too.
I have eleven guns and I am in the process of cutting that number back to my most used four hunting rifles.
Now that I have the 25 Cal. Hatsan 125TH I won't be using this gun as much.
So I wanted to get my Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 to the.... RIGHT Type of Guy.
From my conversations with him, I think Buddy is the Right Guy for this type of gun. He has been told of the complexity of being accurate with a super magnum break barrel rifle and he feel up to the task...just as I did when I first received this rifle three years ago, from the original owner.
This gun has been used exclusively for hunting and not extensive target shooting.
I estimate that it has not had more than 600 total shots fired thru it.
This gun has been power tuned and accuracy modified by both myself and the original owner to be a good specialized hunting rifle.
So what has actually been spent on getting this gun to be as best as it can be.....A Whole Lot Of Money...( by me and the original owner ).....enough to have bought a good PCP.
Why.....well because I am not a PCP Guy ..I am a Break Barrel Springer Kind of Guy and I am Hard Core Northwoods Forest Hunter.... who hunts in the dead of winter here in Minnesota and Wisconsin. ;D
I value my reputation here in the GTA and I fully stand behind this rifle. If he tries it and doesn't like it he gets his money back and I will take the rifle back in turn.
Here are just 2 (of many) of my hunting posts with this rifle, so all of you can see what this rifle is capable of.
> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=142805.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=142805.0)
> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=135263.msg1349909#msg1349909 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=135263.msg1349909#msg1349909)
SO.... here is what Buddy is getting for his $40 + shipping dollars......IS IT NOT... a Good Deal ?
I am sending Buddy a Tuned Magnum Gas Ram Break Barrel Rifle. It is a 22cal Benjamin Trail NP XL Magnum 1100.
A CDT GRT III Trigger has been added to this gun as well as Bronze Oil Impregnated Pivot Washers. The Gas Ram has been ramped up to maximum allowable nitrogen pressure. I added a Diana Bullseye ZR Scope Mount and a Hammers 3-9x32 AO Mill Dot Scope. The stock Crosman/Benjamin piston seal has been replaced with the Walther Falcon seal and lubed with moly after honing the cylinder on a sunnen honing machine to make sure the piston bore is absolutely as perfect as I can get it.. The Shroud and related hardware has been removed and the barrel has been polished and re-crowned.
The Rifle Shoots Excellent... but...it Still requires Good Form to be accurate with it.
If I Do My Part......the gun is very accurate and is a heavy hitter at longer ranges.
The rifle weighs about 11 Lbs with the scope mounted on it and the cocking force is around 50 Lbs. or more.
It is truly one of my favorite hunting rifles.
Best Wishes to All - Tom
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Tom,
I would say that is one heck of a deal!!!! :D
A proven accurate rifle and money back if he does’nt like it?..... Does’nt get any better than that!
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I feel really blessed with Tom's generosity and kind demeanor. We've corresponded several times and I look forward to mastering this gun.
I also appreciate everyone's suggestions on here.
Buddy
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fightinggoat I may take you up on that offer lol. Your not far from Cabelas.
Buddy
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Very generous Tom... A member her just offered to send me a QB stock I advertesized I WTB for only shipping. I will pay it forward here too. You guys are family.
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I feel really blessed with Tom's generosity and kind demeanor. We've corresponded several times and I look forward to mastering this gun.
I also appreciate everyone's suggestions on here.
Buddy
Well Gee Whiz Buddy.........I guess the ball is in my court now....I had better get this gun out to you ASAP !
Once you receive this rifle and get the hang of shooting it....THEN....
I'll be looking forward to seeing your posts with it in the Hunting Gate. ;)
That is where I hang out mostly during this time of year.
I am getting a slow start this year with all the recent medical issues my wife has had this summer.
Hopefully now that things are better for her..... I can get out hunting and shooting again...maybe late next week.
I am really looking forward to seeing how you like this rifle.... wether you are hunting with it or otherwise.
Until then.....
My Best Wishes - Tom
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Yes, you did do that!! Good on you!!
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That's one heck of a deal for sure !!!
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That's one heck of a deal for sure !!!
Tom, thanks for you consistent generosity to others in the GTA community!
You're virtual gift of the gun to Buddy is a fantastic offer!!!!
Glad to heart that things are better now.
With appreciation,
Archie
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The way I see is that not a deal. That's a GIFT! Karma will reward you greatly Tom. Hope your wife gets to doing better.
Happy Hunting
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Try the Hatsan 95 QE. It shoots the .22 CHP's at around 800 fps. Most dealers have a 30 day return policy.
Good Luck,
ar
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Unless you are a remarkable shot and can hit a squirrel in the ear a at 50 yds. don't. Average squirrel shots are under 25 yds. and a 177 is fine. Most important is accuracy and head shots. For the record, a Daisy 880 on 10 pumps will take down any squirrel at 25 yds., as will a Crosman 760 with rifled barrel, and won't cause every other squirrel in the woods to hide for the next hour.
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Good News Buddy ! ;D ;D ;D
Your 22 Cal.Benjamin Trail NPXL 1100 Rifle should arrive at your home this Monday ! ;) ;) ;)
Check Your Personal Messages for all the Details !
Best Wishes - Tom :)
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fightinggoat I may take you up on that offer lol. Your not far from Cabelas.
Buddy
Pm sent with my contact info.
I live in Westerville and the cabelas at Polaris is only about 15 mins from my house.
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fightinggoat I may take you up on that offer lol. Your not far from Cabelas.
Buddy
Pm sent with my contact info.
I live in Westerville and the cabelas at Polaris is only about 15 mins from my house.
Wow..Buddy & Brian ! ;)
I love it... when a plan comes together ...like this ! ;D
Best Wishes to you Guys - Tom
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Got it Brian ;D ;D
Me too Tom ;D ;D
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Hey Buddy
You Got The Gun Now......... ;)
So Exactly.... When Do We Get To See..... Some Pictures ? ;D
Pressure Huh ! :D
Best Wishes My Friend - Tom
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I'll get some pictures up first chance I get ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'll get some pictures up first chance I get ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh The.........Pressure....Pressure......Pressure. ;D
I'm exited to see what you do with this rifle.....Buddy ;)
Best Wishes My Friend - Tom
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Dear Fellow GTA Members
I am the person who offered my 22 Cal Benjamin Trail NP XL NP 1100 to Buddy for..... $40 + Shipping Costs
I and Buddy think this was a Good Deal for a Proven Rifle.
This covered my costs, that I spent this spring, for a 25 Cal Hatsan 125TH rifle that I bought from cherokeesteeve.
I got this Benjamin Trail NPXL 1100 rifle thru the GTA Classifieds three years ago ..in-trade...for a spotting scope I was not using.
The rifle is about six or seven years old but is is in very good shape and has the nicer wood stock and checkering that was used on the earlier Gen 1 models.
The deal was never about the money..it was all about sending him a 22 Cal Rifle with more power than an NP2 Rifle that he had already tried out. It was also about getting him a... Good Hunting Type of Gun Too.
I have eleven guns and I am in the process of cutting that number back to my most used four hunting rifles.
Now that I have the 25 Cal. Hatsan 125TH I won't be using this gun as much.
So I wanted to get my Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 to the.... RIGHT Type of Guy.
From my conversations with him, I think Buddy is the Right Guy for this type of gun. He has been told of the complexity of being accurate with a super magnum break barrel rifle and he feel up to the task...just as I did when I first received this rifle three years ago, from the original owner.
This gun has been used exclusively for hunting and not extensive target shooting.
I estimate that it has not had more than 600 total shots fired thru it.
This gun has been power tuned and accuracy modified by both myself and the original owner to be a good specialized hunting rifle.
So what has actually been spent on getting this gun to be as best as it can be.....A Whole Lot Of Money...( by me and the original owner ).....enough to have bought a good PCP.
Why.....well because I am not a PCP Guy ..I am a Break Barrel Springer Kind of Guy and I am Hard Core Northwoods Forest Hunter.... who hunts in the dead of winter here in Minnesota and Wisconsin. ;D
I value my reputation here in the GTA and I fully stand behind this rifle. If he tries it and doesn't like it he gets his money back and I will take the rifle back in turn.
Here are just 2 (of many) of my hunting posts with this rifle, so all of you can see what this rifle is capable of.
> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=142805.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=142805.0)
> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=135263.msg1349909#msg1349909 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=135263.msg1349909#msg1349909)
SO.... here is what Buddy is getting for his $40 + shipping dollars......IS IT NOT... a Good Deal ?
I am sending Buddy a Tuned Magnum Gas Ram Break Barrel Rifle. It is a 22cal Benjamin Trail NP XL Magnum 1100.
A CDT GRT III Trigger has been added to this gun as well as Bronze Oil Impregnated Pivot Washers. The Gas Ram has been ramped up to maximum allowable nitrogen pressure. I added a Diana Bullseye ZR Scope Mount and a Hammers 3-9x32 AO Mill Dot Scope. The stock Crosman/Benjamin piston seal has been replaced with the Walther Falcon seal and lubed with moly after honing the cylinder on a sunnen honing machine to make sure the piston bore is absolutely as perfect as I can get it.. The Shroud and related hardware has been removed and the barrel has been polished and re-crowned.
The Rifle Shoots Excellent... but...it Still requires Good Form to be accurate with it.
If I Do My Part......the gun is very accurate and is a heavy hitter at longer ranges.
The rifle weighs about 11 Lbs with the scope mounted on it and the cocking force is around 50 Lbs. or more.
It is truly one of my favorite hunting rifles.
Best Wishes to All - Tom
I always knew you were a good egg. ;)
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Dear Fellow GTA Members
I am the person who offered my 22 Cal Benjamin Trail NP XL NP 1100 to Buddy for..... $40 + Shipping Costs
I and Buddy think this was a Good Deal for a Proven Rifle.
This covered my costs, that I spent this spring, for a 25 Cal Hatsan 125TH rifle that I bought from cherokeesteeve.
I got this Benjamin Trail NPXL 1100 rifle thru the GTA Classifieds three years ago ..in-trade...for a spotting scope I was not using.
The rifle is about six or seven years old but is is in very good shape and has the nicer wood stock and checkering that was used on the earlier Gen 1 models.
The deal was never about the money..it was all about sending him a 22 Cal Rifle with more power than an NP2 Rifle that he had already tried out. It was also about getting him a... Good Hunting Type of Gun Too.
I have eleven guns and I am in the process of cutting that number back to my most used four hunting rifles.
Now that I have the 25 Cal. Hatsan 125TH I won't be using this gun as much.
So I wanted to get my Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 to the.... RIGHT Type of Guy.
From my conversations with him, I think Buddy is the Right Guy for this type of gun. He has been told of the complexity of being accurate with a super magnum break barrel rifle and he feel up to the task...just as I did when I first received this rifle three years ago, from the original owner.
This gun has been used exclusively for hunting and not extensive target shooting.
I estimate that it has not had more than 600 total shots fired thru it.
This gun has been power tuned and accuracy modified by both myself and the original owner to be a good specialized hunting rifle.
So what has actually been spent on getting this gun to be as best as it can be.....A Whole Lot Of Money...( by me and the original owner ).....enough to have bought a good PCP.
Why.....well because I am not a PCP Guy ..I am a Break Barrel Springer Kind of Guy and I am Hard Core Northwoods Forest Hunter.... who hunts in the dead of winter here in Minnesota and Wisconsin. ;D
I value my reputation here in the GTA and I fully stand behind this rifle. If he tries it and doesn't like it he gets his money back and I will take the rifle back in turn.
Here are just 2 (of many) of my hunting posts with this rifle, so all of you can see what this rifle is capable of.
> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=142805.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=142805.0)
> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=135263.msg1349909#msg1349909 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=135263.msg1349909#msg1349909)
SO.... here is what Buddy is getting for his $40 + shipping dollars......IS IT NOT... a Good Deal ?
I am sending Buddy a Tuned Magnum Gas Ram Break Barrel Rifle. It is a 22cal Benjamin Trail NP XL Magnum 1100.
A CDT GRT III Trigger has been added to this gun as well as Bronze Oil Impregnated Pivot Washers. The Gas Ram has been ramped up to maximum allowable nitrogen pressure. I added a Diana Bullseye ZR Scope Mount and a Hammers 3-9x32 AO Mill Dot Scope. The stock Crosman/Benjamin piston seal has been replaced with the Walther Falcon seal and lubed with moly after honing the cylinder on a sunnen honing machine to make sure the piston bore is absolutely as perfect as I can get it.. The Shroud and related hardware has been removed and the barrel has been polished and re-crowned.
The Rifle Shoots Excellent... but...it Still requires Good Form to be accurate with it.
If I Do My Part......the gun is very accurate and is a heavy hitter at longer ranges.
The rifle weighs about 11 Lbs with the scope mounted on it and the cocking force is around 50 Lbs. or more.
It is truly one of my favorite hunting rifles.
Best Wishes to All - Tom
I always knew you were a good egg. ;)
Thanks Scott.......So are You ! ;) You save my Bacon "Big Time" on parts for a Quatro Trigger once.
Best Wishes My Friend - Tom