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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: prosportfan on September 17, 2019, 09:33:16 PM
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I had my RX2 apart couple of days ago and tonight I was looking at gunspares site at the hw90 part list. I noticed the the barrel pivot bolt screws into another hollow screw, not a "nut". And I was looking at the cocking shoe on their site and it's one piece. On my RX2 it's 2 pieces. Is that normal? and with the stock off and the barrel cocked in the down position (not in battery), I can take the cocking arm out of the shoe. So is that normal also? Thanks in advanced
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I had my RX2 apart couple of days ago and tonight I was looking at gunspares site at the hw90 part list. I noticed the the barrel pivot bolt screws into another hollow screw, not a "nut". And I was looking at the cocking shoe on their site and it's one piece. On my RX2 it's 2 pieces. Is that normal? and with the stock off and the barrel cocked in the down position (not in battery), I can take the cocking arm out of the shoe. So is that normal also? Thanks in advanced
The cocking shoe is meant to come unhooked when removing the barrel. There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum. They're completely interchangeable.
The pivot bolt is sold as an assembly it's B1350.
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I had my RX2 apart couple of days ago and tonight I was looking at gunspares site at the hw90 part list. I noticed the the barrel pivot bolt screws into another hollow screw, not a "nut". And I was looking at the cocking shoe on their site and it's one piece. On my RX2 it's 2 pieces. Is that normal? and with the stock off and the barrel cocked in the down position (not in battery), I can take the cocking arm out of the shoe. So is that normal also? Thanks in advanced
The cocking shoe is meant to come unhooked when removing the barrel. There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum. They're completely interchangeable.
The pivot bolt is sold as an assembly it's B1350.
Bayman, I like the pivot bolt assembly. It seems more user friendly. Now as for the cocking shoe, the early and new versions are always one piece, correct?
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Yes, to the best of my knowledge. The cocking arm is a separate part that hooks into the shoe.
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Just tore back into it and looked at the shoe and its 1 piece. Sorry everyone lol
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...There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum...
cast aluminum?
Really?
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...There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum...
cast aluminum?
Really?
A few years ago I replaced the old style cocking shoe of Beeman R9 with the newer design cocking shoe style that came with my HW95 and the new cocking shoes seem to be made of sintered steel (definitely not aluminum) and the new seem stronger than the older pressed steel shoes.
Old style...........
(https://i.imgur.com/wNFzemEl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/u9yH4c4l.jpg)
New style........
(https://i.imgur.com/qmXua1gl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/2gbPqo0l.jpg)
One of the issues with the "old style" HW cocking shoe was that it slid on a thin sheet metal piston liner that was actually supported by the outside of the spring coils when cocking. If the cocking was very "ham fisted" this could be the damage done by the "cocking shoe on the liner"...........
(https://i.imgur.com/unIoV5Ol.jpg)
Another "issue" with the old style cocking shoe was that the "wings" were pressed against the inside of the cocking shoe slot edges by the "spring action" of the piston liner. This extra drag made it close to impossible to get a real pivot bolt tension adjustment. My solution was to hone the cocking shor foot and wings to make them smoother and thinner so there was almost no drag on the receiver ID. LOL....here is what happened to the Vortex PG2 outer plastic spring guide shortly after installation from a well used old style cocking shoe.........
(https://i.imgur.com/IaPtmIkl.png)
Anywhoo.........with my HW95 the new design cocking shoe add no extra drag when sliding so it's very easy to gage pivot bolt tension.
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I've seen these cocking shoes and have noticed some are different or feel different on cocking. I realized the friction you are talking about with shoes. I'll have to check each again and come up with a list of "old" and "new" shoes related to serial numbers and dates of manufacture in my collection. I know already I have a 2012 brand new rifle in a left hand stock (HW80 .20) that had disappeared for 7 or 8 years in a warehouse and that rifle feels different from my HW80 .177 which is fairly present in manufacture.
Since I don't bum slam or bum cock any of my air rifles (I treat them like treasures each time I cock them, finding the least amount of swing force to close them) and the 2012 HW80 has "another" engagement that fits the feeling of that shoe.
;)
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...There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum...
cast aluminum?
Really?
A few years ago I replaced the old style cocking shoe of Beeman R9 with the newer design cocking shoe style that came with my HW95 and the new cocking shoes seem to be made of sintered steel (definitely not aluminum) and the new seem stronger than the older pressed steel shoes.
Old style...........
(https://i.imgur.com/wNFzemEl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/u9yH4c4l.jpg)
New style........
(https://i.imgur.com/qmXua1gl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/2gbPqo0l.jpg)
One of the issues with the "old style" HW cocking shoe was that it slid on a thin sheet metal piston liner that was actually supported by the outside of the spring coils when cocking. If the cocking was very "ham fisted" this could be the damage done by the "cocking shoe on the liner"...........
(https://i.imgur.com/unIoV5Ol.jpg)
Another "issue" with the old style cocking shoe was that the "wings" were pressed against the inside of the cocking shoe slot edges by the "spring action" of the piston liner. This extra drag made it close to impossible to get a real pivot bolt tension adjustment. My solution was to hone the cocking shor foot and wings to make them smoother and thinner so there was almost no drag on the receiver ID. LOL....here is what happened to the Vortex PG2 outer plastic spring guide shortly after installation from a well used old style cocking shoe.........
(https://i.imgur.com/IaPtmIkl.png)
Anywhoo.........with my HW95 the new design cocking shoe add no extra drag when sliding so it's very easy to gage pivot bolt tension.
:)
thumbup
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...There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum...
cast aluminum?
Really?
Sorry it looks aluminum and I'm not taking my gun apart to magnet test it. Btw there's aluminums that are more than adequate for the job. So it's not beyond reason. Unless you don't understand the boundaries of these materials.
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On the subject is the gold trigger v the silver trigger, because the R series have "gold" and the HW series have "silver".
Aren't the triggers identical except for gilding? I thought so.
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On the subject is the gold trigger v the silver trigger, because the R series have "gold" and the HW series have "silver".
Aren't the triggers identical except for gilding? I thought so.
My Beeman R9 has a silver trigger.
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...There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum...
cast aluminum?
Really?
Sorry it looks aluminum and I'm not taking my gun apart to magnet test it. Btw there's aluminums that are more than adequate for the job. So it's not beyond reason. Unless you don't understand the boundaries of these materials.
Sorry but the question is NOT what YOU think it could be made of but what material the cocking shoe is ACTUALLY made of.
Anyway thanks for your information.
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My new style cocking shoe bought approx 1 month ago from PA is magnetic.
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On the subject is the gold trigger v the silver trigger, because the R series have "gold" and the HW series have "silver".
Aren't the triggers identical except for gilding? I thought so.
Yep...just different colored trigger blades.
Rekord from a Beeman R9..........
(https://i.imgur.com/v3QeXsPl.jpg)
Rekord from my HW95........
(https://i.imgur.com/ke4X3Ewl.jpg)
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...There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum...
cast aluminum?
Really?
Sorry it looks aluminum and I'm not taking my gun apart to magnet test it. Btw there's aluminums that are more than adequate for the job. So it's not beyond reason. Unless you don't understand the boundaries of these materials.
Same is true for plastic. Just say'n... :D
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On the subject is the gold trigger v the silver trigger, because the R series have "gold" and the HW series have "silver".
Aren't the triggers identical except for gilding? I thought so.
Yep...just different colored trigger blades.
Rekord from a Beeman R9..........
(https://i.imgur.com/v3QeXsPl.jpg)
Rekord from my HW95........
(https://i.imgur.com/ke4X3Ewl.jpg)
Yeah my R9 has the gold and the HW95L has the silver, same with the HW80s having silver and the Beeman R7 having gold over here in my cabinet.
More importantly in the photo nced is the "forbidden screw" pointed out in the trigger block. I saw this yesterday night wondering if it could do anything about the trigger on my HW35E's, after feeling I should be able to make a crisper and shorter let off without mush and creep. Funny how these two rifles have triggers I find I want to adjust. The other triggers on the rest are actually fine out of the box.
The idea I had when I saw the Gold v Silver triggers some time ago was that both are actually made out of the same material and it's just a color.
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Older Beeman's may have silver, at least my R1 SN 1115345 has silver - original owner.
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Older Beeman's may have silver, at least my R1 SN 1115345 has silver - original owner.
You sure you just didn't wear the gold off?
I've seen flaked gold on some of them.
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My new Weihrauch hw97k has a gold trigger :D
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...There's a early shoe that is stamped steel and a later part that's cast aluminum...
cast aluminum?
Really?
Sorry it looks aluminum and I'm not taking my gun apart to magnet test it. Btw there's aluminums that are more than adequate for the job. So it's not beyond reason. Unless you don't understand the boundaries of these materials.
Sorry but the question is NOT what YOU think it could be made of but what material the cocking shoe is ACTUALLY made of.
Anyway thanks for your information.
ACTUALLY, it was never questioned what it was made of. I was answering the question about the availability of a new style shoe and I was simply wrong suggesting that it was aluminum. If someone asked me directly what material it was I would have said I wasn't sure. But hey isn't nice to have people like you here to point out other people's unimportant mistakes and jump all over them and try to make them look stupid?
Have a nice day
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My R1 came with a silver trigger - no wear to speak of - safe queen.
Also:
New post with an R1 with a silver trigger also
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=162985.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=162985.0)
And the Beeman Precision Airgun Guide 25th Anniversary Edition has the R1 with a color picture on page 9 with a silver trigger.
In fact most Beeman R series in the guide have silver triggers. The Beeman HW97 on page 17 has a gold trigger.