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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Joekrooz on September 11, 2019, 07:43:23 AM
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https://www.wafb.com/2019/09/11/recall-air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-serious-injury-or-death/?outputType=amp (https://www.wafb.com/2019/09/11/recall-air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-serious-injury-or-death/?outputType=amp)
Not sure if this has been posted yet.
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Thanks for posting. I bought one not too long ago and I didn't know about the recall.
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Thanks for the info. Thank goodness mines a gen 1
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I have 2 of them , one in .177 and one in .22, Artemis PR900W, how to tell if it is gen 1 or gen 2?
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Joe
Glad you posted the recall. I don't own one but keeping this near the top of the thread will help more to see it. How do you get this set as a sticky?
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I have 2, Artemis PR900W, how to tell if it is gen 1 or gen 2?
If it shoots by itself then it's gen 2... lol. JK.
Gen 2 has a larger bolt handle.
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If I understand it correctly, Diana has the only claim to the Stormrider 2. They requested the changes made by SPA. Other variants such as the AirMax Varmint and Artemis PR900W are not involved in this recall. They do not include the changes that Diana made.
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Am thinking it's the same issue you can get with a Gen. I when the trigger is adjusted. Basically you get a nice lite trigger, but the safety doesn't do anything to stop it from firing (although it does move and go click-click).
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Last year, I bought one of each in .22 Caliber. The recall concerns the trigger assembly only on the Generation II. I have contacted the company about sending the parts needed to make repairs to my rifle.
Side note: There was a story about the Stormrider Recall on the local 4WARN News at 4:30 p.m.
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Heck my gen 1 AirMax Varmit PCP safety has never worked. One reason i've never sold it.
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Can fix a Gen I for cheap (basically nothing)bgut I've nevber held a GEN II trigger in my hands, so lets say it's only for the Gen I trigger until someone prooves otherwise..
It's a simple system, with a long arm on the trigger that interacts with the safety cross bolt. IDea was that the long arm of the trigger would be blocked by the cross bolt...but if adjusted, the trigger lets go before the long arm contacts the cross bolt.
So if adjusted to a lite pull weight, the safety doesn't do "jack" but go click-click.
So I hammered out a bit of Delrin (I think it was the "straw" from some random spray bottle....I tend to take things apart and keep the bits that look useful).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5572/31115503245_f6d0b70631.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ppz64T)DSCN1751[1] (https://flic.kr/p/Ppz64T) by Robert Dean (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144930793@N07/), on Flickr
Glued it to the long arm of the trigger.
Filed it thin enough to pass down into the trigger housing. Actually,it works better when there is a bit of resistence top the safety being applied (As you know you locked the trigger in place).
But file-n-try got the bottom (the part that actually blocks the liong arm of the sear) ijust thinenough to pass under the long arm and let the cross bolt bind up the trigger when on safe.
(Actually, being plastic, a fingernail emory board works better than a file).
I'd be real interrested in the recall fix once anyone sends one in....can think of several ways they could "fix" it,but not nearly as many easy ways to fix it that leaves you with a crisp-lite trigger.
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Can fix a Gen I for cheap (basically nothing)bgut I've nevber held a GEN II trigger in my hands, so lets say it's only for the Gen I trigger until someone prooves otherwise..
It's a simple system, with a long arm on the trigger that interacts with the safety cross bolt. IDea was that the long arm of the trigger would be blocked by the cross bolt...but if adjusted, the trigger lets go before the long arm contacts the cross bolt.
So if adjusted to a lite pull weight, the safety doesn't do "jack" but go click-click.
So I hammered out a bit of Delrin (I think it was the "straw" from some random spray bottle....I tend to take things apart and keep the bits that look useful).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5572/31115503245_f6d0b70631.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ppz64T)DSCN1751[1] (https://flic.kr/p/Ppz64T) by Robert Dean (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144930793@N07/), on Flickr
Glued it to the long arm of the trigger.
Filed it thin enough to pass down into the trigger housing. Actually,it works better when there is a bit of resistence top the safety being applied (As you know you locked the trigger in place).
But file-n-try got the bottom (the part that actually blocks the liong arm of the sear) ijust thinenough to pass under the long arm and let the cross bolt bind up the trigger when on safe.
(Actually, being plastic, a fingernail emory board works better than a file).
I'd be real interrested in the recall fix once anyone sends one in....can think of several ways they could "fix" it,but not nearly as many easy ways to fix it that leaves you with a crisp-lite trigger.
Cool fix Ribbonstone is it ok if I save the pix? Then I can sell it and give the new owner a pix of how to make the easy fix?
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I have 2, Artemis PR900W, how to tell if it is gen 1 or gen 2?
If it shoots by itself then it's gen 2... lol. JK.
Good un! :D
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Great. That's all we need. Guns going off by themselves.
So much for the "guns don't shoot people...." argument. ???
Left-wingers will run with that one.
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Do these guns fire without touching the trigger ?? ;D
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Do these guns fire without touching the trigger ?? ;D
That's the implication I got from this media report. Does this mean I may have left-wing tendencies?? MERDE! :o
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/RECALL-Air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-of-serious-injury-or-death-559990241.html (https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/RECALL-Air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-of-serious-injury-or-death-559990241.html)
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I have 2 of them , one in .177 and one in .22, Artemis PR900W, how to tell if it is gen 1 or gen 2?
On Gen2 the front iron sight is behind the moderator, on the Gen 1's the front sight is infront the moderator.
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Do these guns fire without touching the trigger ?? ;D
That's the implication I got from this media report. Does this mean I may have left-wing tendencies?? MERDE! :o
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/RECALL-Air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-of-serious-injury-or-death-559990241.html (https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/RECALL-Air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-of-serious-injury-or-death-559990241.html)
All the warning said was "Hazard: The air rifle can unexpectedly discharge even if the safety is engaged. This can result in a serious injury or death."
A safety not working on an air gun would not particularly bother me, but one firing without touching the trigger could be a problem.
Is "Merde" French for "Scheiße" ??
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Yep Art that what's Merde just means. LOL
And yes that would be a really big problem for me too, and I guess for everyone that would be affected by such a Air Rifle no matter what Make or Modell.
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I have 2 of them , one in .177 and one in .22, Artemis PR900W, how to tell if it is gen 1 or gen 2?
On Gen2 the front iron sight is behind the moderator, on the Gen 1's the front sight is infront the moderator.
I have the sight behind my endcap of the barrel, im not sure now,, will take a picture later an post here, the latest models of Artemis PR900W here where I live have a threaded end of barrel with a protecter on them..
im sure there must be a way to look at the trigger and see if its gen 2?
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Check your serial number against those in the chart on the web site. This will save time for YOU and the company.
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Yep Art that what's Merde just means. LOL
And yes that would be a really big problem for me too, and I guess for everyone that would be affected by such a Air Rifle no matter what Make or Modell.
Thank you for answering that Jürgen.
Here is where the media and Diana are failing to explain exactly what the problem is. Is the safety untrustworthy, or will the gun just go off by handling it? I see it as akin to a Nissan airbag recall where it was stated that "the airbag can suddenly go off". Does that mean that you shouldn't drive your car, even to take it to the dealer for a fix?
I wish that someone like PA would jump in here and explain (since they do have a dedicated voice here in the forum).
Also, since there is a fix, they know what the problem is and could easily explain it. To make such minimal statements as "The air rifle can unexpectedly discharge" serves only to strike fear, at least as far as I am reading it. A simple statement such as "Take care when handling the rifle when cocked as the safety may not be working properly" would at least make the issue a bit more clear.
Certainly, owners should have the rifle fixed or obtain the fix kit and do it themselves as was implied in this report (https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/RECALL-Air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-of-serious-injury-or-death-559990241.html).
Although only about 1400 rifles were affected, this could be a big deal if not every one of the rifles was fixed, and how is Diana to know who owns them if they were not all warranty registered? The answer to that is indeed public announcements and news reports, but do it WITH CLARITY, PLEASE.
Pyramyd Air, AirgunDepot....where are you?
ok, I'm stepping off my soapbox now. :D
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I just bought a used gen 2 from baker last weekend and it arrived yesterday. Did a google search to find the reservoir size this morning and came across the recall notice. I dry fired it twice and it seems to have a zero stage trigger. No first stage and no creep at all. I put it away after that because I have no way to fill it right now. I'll take a 5 minute walk to the scuba store when they open in 30 minutes. Anyone know the res size? Trying to decide what size tank I want to buy by how many refills I can get.
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Chris, two things here: Cylinder Size ---> Toward the bottom of the Specifications ---> https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-stormrider-multi-shot-pcp-air-rifle?m=4449 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-stormrider-multi-shot-pcp-air-rifle?m=4449)
And to see if your rifle is one with the trigger issue, check the Serial Number against the list on the website ---> https://www.airventuri.com/av/diana-recall/ (https://www.airventuri.com/av/diana-recall/)
Good luck.
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Chris, two things here: Cylinder Size ---> Toward the bottom of the Specifications ---> https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-stormrider-multi-shot-pcp-air-rifle?m=4449 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-stormrider-multi-shot-pcp-air-rifle?m=4449)
And to see if your rifle is one with the trigger issue, check the Serial Number against the list on the website ---> https://www.airventuri.com/av/diana-recall/ (https://www.airventuri.com/av/diana-recall/)
Good luck.
Oh boy. I checked that specs page twice earlier. How could I have missed it? Maybe I dained my bramage. Or maybe 3rd shift is killing me.
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Do these guns fire without touching the trigger ?? ;D
That's the implication I got from this media report. Does this mean I may have left-wing tendencies?? MERDE! :o
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/RECALL-Air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-of-serious-injury-or-death-559990241.html (https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/RECALL-Air-rifles-can-unexpectedly-fire-posing-risk-of-serious-injury-or-death-559990241.html)
All the warning said was "Hazard: The air rifle can unexpectedly discharge even if the safety is engaged. This can result in a serious injury or death."
A safety not working on an air gun would not particularly bother me, but one firing without touching the trigger could be a problem.
Is "Merde" French for "Scheiße" ??
I agree. I almost never put any of my guns on safe because I don't believe that such feature really exists or at least I wouldn't trust anyone's life with one. In my opinion safety comes from safe handling of the gun not from a small mechanical switch.
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I remember making adjustment to the trigger on my MRodAir Varmint (Gen I)to readjust and back it off because the safety did not work. I had to find the happy medium where the trigger felt good t me and the safety still functioned.
This was well before Diana was even in the picture.
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I have 2 of them , one in .177 and one in .22, Artemis PR900W, how to tell if it is gen 1 or gen 2?
On Gen2 the front iron sight is behind the moderator, on the Gen 1's the front sight is infront the moderator.
I have the sight behind my endcap of the barrel, im not sure now,, will take a picture later an post here, the latest models of Artemis PR900W here where I live have a threaded end of barrel with a protecter on them..
im sure there must be a way to look at the trigger and see if its gen 2?
Gen2 have two set screws and two access holes in trigger guard for the trigger adjustments.
Gen1 have 1 set screw and no access holes in trigger guard.
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First pic below is the Gen 1. Second pic is Gen 2. Notice the muzzle, front sight and bolt knob on each.
As aside note.... if it don't say Stormrider than it's not a Diana branded gun. If it don't say Diana then it ain't a Stormrider rebranded for Diana and it ain't gonna be a Gen 2... plain and simple.
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Now.... I'm not sure where Diana came up with their ideas for the Gen2 but here is something interesting that I did with my MrodAir Varmint well before Diana cornered the market on them.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=129471.msg1325769#msg1325769 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=129471.msg1325769#msg1325769)
Look familiar?
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BUMP!
On September 11, I contacted Air Venturi about sending the needed trigger RECALL repair parrts so I can safely use my Stormrider GEM II for squirrel hunting. As of today (Day 17), I have heard nothing from them.
Have you heard anything, or been contacted, or received the repair parts?
If not, do you have any idea how to get results?
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Update:
I have two trigger upgrades on the way - I think.
When/If the second one arrives, I will post a notice.
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I haven't heard anything from them either. How did you know that yours are on the way?
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Another update:
A trigger upgrade arrived in this afternoon's mail. It consists of a trigger specific brochure and a whole rifle brochure. There is another little bag with three Allen wrench keys, a small screwdriver, and the new/upgrade trigger.
I followed the written directions and had the job completed in about 20 minutes - which includes re-airing the rifle. (I did use a bit of Silicone grease in reassembly.)
Side note: This is a higher quality trigger than the previous GEN II trigger, and better than the GEN I also.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
If you have not gotten your Stormrider GenII trigger upgrade packet yet, you might want to contact Pyramyd Air (https://www.pyramydair.com/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/)) and order it from them. I got my trigger upgrade packet from Mark at Pyramyd Air (https://www.pyramydair.com/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/)) in five business days.
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BUMP!
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Thank you for the update. I got mine from Air Venturi. I was able to install it in less than half an hour.