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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: pewpewfever on August 12, 2019, 08:32:45 PM
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I’m interested in a big bore airgun and hill pump as a potential survivalist tool. I’m led to believe that the Airforce Texan SS or LSS in .457 can take deer. Are there any better options? Any data on SS dB vs LSS dB?
As far as an air rifle and hill pump combo, are there maintenance requirements that can not be met without a supply of freshly manufactured parts (e.g., gaskets, seals) that have a shelf life that makes stockpiling of such parts pointless?
Thanks
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Jon, good luck filling a Texan with a hand pump. Even if you can, the calories you burn will be a definite negative when it comes to survival.
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I think small game should really be your goal, and you should look into a .22 pumper.
Could do a Crosman 1322 / custom shop 1300kt based gun, or a vintage pumper like a Benji or Crosman 140/1400.
If pellets won't be an issue I'd go with a C series Sheridan, but availability of .20 pellets could be a problem.
Btw the smaller .22 pellets means a lot more ammo, 500 In your pocket is a lot of ammo and nobody has only one pocket ;)
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I already have an IZH46m and a Daisy Avanti that I thought had me covered for small game. Are they not sufficient?
I sold my Daisy Powerline because the seals have to be replaced every couple of years.
I have a compound bow I could use for large game and self protection from wild dogs, hogs, etc. But I was hoping the Texan could fill that role better.
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I already have an IZH46m and a Daisy Avanti that I thought had me covered for small game. Are they not sufficient?
I sold my Daisy Powerline because the seals have to be replaced every couple of years.
I have a compound bow I could use for large game and self protection from wild dogs, hogs, etc. But I was hoping the Texan could fill that role better.
They're lower powered target guns, I'd want something with a little more power because you never know what could happen causing a less than ideal shot.
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You can use a big bore and a hand pump as a survival tool. Its actually already a tried and true method. Lewis and Clark carried their .45 PCP all over the American west and were able to maintain it (they even made parts for it when it broke down).
It would be miserable to pump. But if you are only shooting it to take medium and large game, you’re not going to have a calorie deficit. You’d probably only have to pump it up once a month at the most frequent. You would set aside time to pump it up then just be circumspect with how often you shoot it.
You’d really want the gun to be a homesteading weapon. Something to grab to go hunting with on the back 40 so you can save firearm ammunition. Going that route, you’d also want to get into casting your own projectiles for it.
You may consider using light round ball over bullets. Its easy to cast and Texans shoot them well out to at least 50 yards. Most importantly, it uses little air per shot compared to the heavy slugs most people shoot from their Texans. You’ll get several more shots for your pumping effort.
A .45 Texan will kill a deer just fine. So will a .30 for that matter. I prefer the .30 calibers for Florida deer. They’re quieter and shoot flatter for less air usage per shot.
Because we are not currently in a survival situation, you’d still want to factor in the cost of a compressor or a scuba tank you can get filled. The time to master the gun is now and you’ll want to have easier air sources than hand pumping for practice shooting.
As far as maintaining a Texan and hand pump, you just need orings and silicon lube. Pure silicon with no petroleum product. I would also recommend buying multiple hand pumps when they go on sale. The generic Chinese pumps are the best value for the money. I’ve picked up all of mine for around $35.
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You can use a big bore and a hand pump as a survival tool. Its actually already a tried and true method. Lewis and Clark carried their .45 PCP all over the American west and were able to maintain it (they even made parts for it when it broke down).
It would be miserable to pump. But if you are only shooting it to take medium and large game, you’re not going to have a calorie deficit. You’d probably only have to pump it up once a month at the most frequent. You would set aside time to pump it up then just be circumspect with how often you shoot it.
You’d really want the gun to be a homesteading weapon. Something to grab to go hunting with on the back 40 so you can save firearm ammunition. Going that route, you’d also want to get into casting your own projectiles for it.
You may consider using light round ball over bullets. Its easy to cast and Texans shoot them well out to at least 50 yards. Most importantly, it uses little air per shot compared to the heavy slugs most people shoot from their Texans. You’ll get several more shots for your pumping effort.
A .45 Texan will kill a deer just fine. So will a .30 for that matter. I prefer the .30 calibers for Florida deer. They’re quieter and shoot flatter for less air usage per shot.
Because we are not currently in a survival situation, you’d still want to factor in the cost of a compressor or a scuba tank you can get filled. The time to master the gun is now and you’ll want to have easier air sources than hand pumping for practice shooting.
As far as maintaining a Texan and hand pump, you just need orings and silicon lube. Pure silicon with no petroleum product. I would also recommend buying multiple hand pumps when they go on sale. The generic Chinese pumps are the best value for the money. I’ve picked up all of mine for around $35.
Thanks, much. If the daisy and Steyr are not powerful enough, then perhaps my Thomas FT? Configured for hunter class, it’s 20 FPE, which is 5 times more powerful than the Crosman 22. It’s PCP, though, so I’d have to top it off with a hand pump occasionally.
Regarding O-rings and silicon lube, are both needed for the rifle and the pump? I see some O-rings have a shelf life as low as 3 years, and others can last indefinitely. So I guess it could work to stockpile O-rings made of the right material. But for silicon lube, the shelf life is as low as 5 years even if stored in the original container, and much shorter if stored incorrectly.
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I’m interested in a big bore airgun and hill pump as a potential survivalist tool. I’m led to believe that the Airforce Texan SS or LSS in .457 can take deer. Are there any better options? Any data on SS dB vs LSS dB?
As far as an air rifle and hill pump combo, are there maintenance requirements that can not be met without a supply of freshly manufactured parts (e.g., gaskets, seals) that have a shelf life that makes stockpiling of such parts pointless?
Thanks
Hence the sole reason I have a couple of Benjamin 392's with Mac1 lever arms and such. Small gun, able to take small game at a reasonable distance. I shoot Monsters in mine for the efficiency and the fpe at ranges in the 25-45 yard area that i would hunt. I get 14fpe at 30 yards and ~13 at 45 yards.shooting a 25.39 gr JSB Monster.
I can pump the gun up and hunt till I get a shot. The gun is very small and light and will definitely serve for food gathering and more.
Here is a pic of one of mine set up:
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Change%20sm.png)
wll
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Jen
I'm not a survivalist, so take this recommendation at face value. A smaller caliber gun that might work for taking small to medium size game could be a Nova Freedom from ATI. In 22 cal. it can shoot around 30 fpe. with an 18 grain pellet, or 25 fpe with a standard 14 grain pellet.
It is a multi pump PCP with a small air reservoir capable of around 7-10 shots from 3000psi to 2000psi. Has a 10 shot clip, and can be filled either by using the on board pump handle or external source via a fill probe. (compressor or hand pump).
The beauty of this gun is that it is easy to pump and fill to a usable pressure, because the air reservoir is counter pressurized to about 1800 PSI. This means that with around 10 pumps your gun pressure will be 2000psi and with 30 pumps you have enough pressure (2500 psi) for 5 or 6 shots @ 900+ fps. Once you achieve 2500psi. it takes about 5 or 6 pumps (per shot} to maintain that 2500psi level. It can be filled to 3600psi max, giving you more than 10 good shots.
They are very accurate in the 35 to 50 yard range. (The extent of my yard) Obviously won't take down game as big as a deer, but very efficient and easy to use for something smaller.
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Jen
I'm not a survivalist, so take this recommendation at face value. A smaller caliber gun that might work for taking small to medium size game could be a Nova Freedom from ATI. In 22 cal. it can shoot around 30 fpe. with an 18 grain pellet, or 25 fpe with a standard 14 grain pellet.
It is a multi pump PCP with a small air reservoir capable of around 7-10 shots from 3000psi to 2000psi. Has a 10 shot clip, and can be filled either by using the on board pump handle or external source via a fill probe. (compressor or hand pump).
The beauty of this gun is that it is easy to pump and fill to a usable pressure, because the air reservoir is counter pressurized to about 1800 PSI. This means that with around 10 pumps your gun pressure will be 2000psi and with 30 pumps you have enough pressure (2500 psi) for 5 or 6 shots @ 900+ fps. Once you achieve 2500psi. it takes about 5 or 6 pumps (per shot} to maintain that 2500psi level. It can be filled to 3600psi max, giving you more than 10 good shots.
They are very accurate in the 35 to 50 yard range. (The extent of my yard) Obviously won't take down game as big as a deer, but very efficient and easy to use for something smaller.
+1 for the small game gun.
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You can use a big bore and a hand pump as a survival tool. Its actually already a tried and true method. Lewis and Clark carried their .45 PCP all over the American west and were able to maintain it (they even made parts for it when it broke down).
It would be miserable to pump. But if you are only shooting it to take medium and large game, you’re not going to have a calorie deficit. You’d probably only have to pump it up once a month at the most frequent. You would set aside time to pump it up then just be circumspect with how often you shoot it.
You’d really want the gun to be a homesteading weapon. Something to grab to go hunting with on the back 40 so you can save firearm ammunition. Going that route, you’d also want to get into casting your own projectiles for it.
You may consider using light round ball over bullets. Its easy to cast and Texans shoot them well out to at least 50 yards. Most importantly, it uses little air per shot compared to the heavy slugs most people shoot from their Texans. You’ll get several more shots for your pumping effort.
A .45 Texan will kill a deer just fine. So will a .30 for that matter. I prefer the .30 calibers for Florida deer. They’re quieter and shoot flatter for less air usage per shot.
Because we are not currently in a survival situation, you’d still want to factor in the cost of a compressor or a scuba tank you can get filled. The time to master the gun is now and you’ll want to have easier air sources than hand pumping for practice shooting.
As far as maintaining a Texan and hand pump, you just need orings and silicon lube. Pure silicon with no petroleum product. I would also recommend buying multiple hand pumps when they go on sale. The generic Chinese pumps are the best value for the money. I’ve picked up all of mine for around $35.
Thanks, much. If the daisy and Steyr are not powerful enough, then perhaps my Thomas FT? Configured for hunter class, it’s 20 FPE, which is 5 times more powerful than the Crosman 22. It’s PCP, though, so I’d have to top it off with a hand pump occasionally.
Regarding O-rings and silicon lube, are both needed for the rifle and the pump? I see some O-rings have a shelf life as low as 3 years, and others can last indefinitely. So I guess it could work to stockpile O-rings made of the right material. But for silicon lube, the shelf life is as low as 5 years even if stored in the original container, and much shorter if stored incorrectly.
The silicon and orings are both for the pump and the gun. I can’t vouch for the maximum shelf life of either. I have enough orings to keep my guns running for a long time presuming they don’t dry rot in storage.
You can kill any small game you want with a 20fpe airgun and proper shot placement.
If you’re on the fence as to whether you want to go big bore , consider going with a .25 in the 60fpe range with a large air tank. It may still be a bear to hand pump but if the gun is quality and properly tuned you may get 50 or many more full powered shots per fill. At that power level you can brain shoot any large game you want within reason and yet not have too much gun for small game.
I’d consider a .25 Condor in either full length or shorter SS due to the large power range you can set it up for and the large shot count you can get at lower powers. Its also a rugged gun in need of little upkeep.
If you go smaller than a .25, your ammo will be cheaper to stockpile but harder to hand cast. If you go larger than .25, commercial ammo is more expensive and the gun becomes more of an air hog (although I personally think .30 is the best all purpose caliber). There are plenty of .25 bullet molds available, some of which I know the Condor shoots well.
And yet you may also find that once you have a fun shooting PCP in your hands, it will become a hobby into itself and the prep purposes will become secondary.
I’ve come full circle. I got into airguns for their practicality as quiet game getters, got into the hobby hard-core for its own sake, and now I’m back to using my airguns practically and little else beyond that. When I have varmints that need dispatching I grab an airgun. Otherwise they (the guns) just sit.
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I would rather go with a .30 PCP ( best compromise, can take big game easily and it's good for small game )
and 2 Chinese pumps rather then a HILL
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If it were a shelter in place at the homestead kind of survival situation, many PCPs would do the job.
On the other hand, if it were a "I gotta schlep a bunch of gear around in the woods" type of deal, a PCP could be cumbersome due to its size/weight and ancillary stuff required to fill and maintain it. In that case, I'd choose something like a 1322 with a 1399 stock for small game. A light rifle in .22lr would handle everything else, including larger game.
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That Nova Freedom may be self contained but I'd go AirForce platform for simplicity of maintanance. My TalonSS tank seals failed for the fist time after 15 years this year. Two FX PCP guns, a BAM B-51, and a few other PCP guns all needed two rebuilds or more in those same 15 years. The actual work to reseal is infinitely easier on an airforce gun. I'd even get a spare tank valve.
Plus once it's full you still only pump to top off.
I'd go with a Talon SS tuned for .25 cal with the stock 12" .22 barrel. A spare valve with extra Orings.. and top it off with a .25 (or better even .30) 24" barrel. Add two Chinese hand pumps with it's orings ("one is none two is one") and it's going to do it all. ....for longer than I will be around...
With my gun and barrels, I stock CPUM for long shots and RWS Supermag Wadcutter pellets for short shots in.22's. They have very similar POI out to 30 yds. Add NSA slugs in .25 (or .30 if you go with that barrel) for bigger game.
And yes most AF barrels are very happy out to 40ys w/ round balls so extended prep could definitly include a mold for them for both barrels.
(.25 cal condor SS & 2 hand pumps would be the one barrel compromise IMHO)
Barrel changes are honestly a less than 10 min job. And about 5 min. once you got it down pat.
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If it were a shelter in place at the homestead kind of survival situation, many PCPs would do the job.
On the other hand, if it were a "I gotta schlep a bunch of gear around in the woods" type of deal, a PCP could be cumbersome due to its size/weight and ancillary stuff required to fill and maintain it. In that case, I'd choose something like a 1322 with a 1399 stock for small game. A light rifle in .22lr would handle everything else, including larger game.
Heck yeah, my comment were not an on foot solution. my Alchemy Airwerked 1322 is THE walkaway gun. Crazy accurate guns!
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For survival in my backyard it's a Hawaiian sling (6' spear with 3 prong and 18" surgical tubing, some parachord is all it is).
With a sling and 1/2 hour of snorkeling I have bagged 20 lbs of fish easy. Made even simpler if there were no game wardens, life guards...
I have also wondered what sea lion would taste like? dog... fish...
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I have a Cothran 308 that will also shoot jsb 44.75 and 50 very accurately. I can drop in a magnum air valve and get 9 shots in the 900’s with 50 grain. Can take it up to 3500 if needed and it’s a 28” tube so not that hard to pump. I use krytox lube on my orings, last longer and imho much better/longer lasting than silicone. 4 orings, one on the valve two on the fill port and a probe oring. I can tear this gun down and field service in just a few minutes. Tj barrel and deadly accurate. A disco with a magnum air valve, some spare orings and a couple valve stem spares is a long term option also. 60 ft lbs with the magnum valve . Food for thought.
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Long term survival,
..I'll take a PCP, a handpump and a mould over anything else.
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I’m surprised no one suggested a good old break barrel, like in a gas ram configuration. A theoben or beeman RXin 22 caliber will for sure provide meat in the pot in the form of rabbits, squirrels, etc. Food is food, and in a survival mode one is not gonna pass up a squirrel in hopes of that big deer that “may” come around.
As much as I like PCP guns today, I’d go with the simplest form of air gun hunting and that means a break barrel type. Only other thing one needs is ammo and a stash of springs and misc. seals. No tanks, hand pumps, melting of lead(gotta score on lead, in order to melt, right?). One small leak from a disintegrated o ring from a PCP and it’s game over. The types of lube(silicone in particular) could be scarce in a survival situation, but a break barrel spring could be lubed up with simple grease.
Think about it this way- if sirens started going off, radio and TV news all say you are now on your own as the world is coming to an end, and you only have a few hours to high tail it into the mountains, how much gear are you grabbing for a pcp vs a break barrel? I’m not talking about the powder burners that have to go, too, just power plant type in an Airgun.
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I would have thought Manny would recommend airguns that can shoot arrows or modified to shoot arrows or bolts for big game. there are a lot of guns that can readily do this but if i have the money, i would modify a discovery with cothran valve and use .357 TJ barrel and buy Air Ventury bolts in that caliber.
you can shoot pellets out of that barrel for small game and slugs and bolts for big game. it would still be light to carry around and pump friendly for 5-10 shots or so. more than enough for survival. and the original barrel can be used for smaller game.
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I’m surprised no one suggested a good old break barrel, like in a gas ram configuration. A theoben or beeman RXin 22 caliber will for sure provide meat in the pot in the form of rabbits, squirrels, etc. Food is food, and in a survival mode one is not gonna pass up a squirrel in hopes of that big deer that “may” come around.
As much as I like PCP guns today, I’d go with the simplest form of air gun hunting and that means a break barrel type. Only other thing one needs is ammo and a stash of springs and misc. seals. No tanks, hand pumps, melting of lead(gotta score on lead, in order to melt, right?). One small leak from a disintegrated o ring from a PCP and it’s game over. The types of lube(silicone in particular) could be scarce in a survival situation, but a break barrel spring could be lubed up with simple grease.
Think about it this way- if sirens started going off, radio and TV news all say you are now on your own as the world is coming to an end, and you only have a few hours to high tail it into the mountains, how much gear are you grabbing for a pcp vs a break barrel? I’m not talking about the powder burners that have to go, too, just power plant type in an Airgun.
Won't a sping compressor be needed for maintenance? And I was under the impression that accuracy suffers due to hold sensitivity. And that's the thing of hunting. Just asking. My one and only springer is a Hatsan supertac25 pistol/rifle in .177. It's crazy hold sensitive ...So shooting upward or downward at game will change everything...and I just assumed a multi pump like a Benji 312 would be as capable in power with way less accuaracy issues in the field and much easier field maintenance. But I said my 1322 for the weight factor. It weighs nothing.
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In addition to taking game, I think another concern to a survivalist would be protection from large numbers of wild dogs, and if you are raising chickens or other livestock, fending off their predators. I think a PCP is needed that can take down dogs with rapid reloads. Can a .25 do that?
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A .25 Sumatra would have no problem with hogs or dogs.
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Long term survival I take a PCP, a Hand pump and a mould over any other airgun platform out there without even blinking,.....for a huge variety of reasons.
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Long term survival I take a PCP, a Hand pump and a mould over any other airgun platform out there without even blinking,.....for a huge variety of reasons.
X2 ^
To add to that , I would take my .257 cal converted discovery ,the 257420 HP mold and a cheap Chinese handpump . From partridge to deer and just about everything in between wouldn’t stand a chance inside 150yards . Don’t forget an oring kit .
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Long term survival I take a PCP, a Hand pump and a mould over any other airgun platform out there without even blinking,.....for a huge variety of reasons.
X2 ^
To add to that , I would take my .257 cal converted discovery ,the 257420 HP mold and a cheap Chinese handpump . From partridge to deer and just about everything in between wouldn’t stand a chance inside 150yards . Don’t forget an oring kit .
X2 too both of these. Denis, do you have more info on your disco based .257?
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I’m surprised no one suggested a good old break barrel, like in a gas ram configuration.
I too am surprised. Simple (yet effective) seems good for this. When the break barrel is sitting in the corner, nothing is under pressure or tension. Yet it can be brought into action very quickly. A BB plus a tin of 500 .22 pellets gives you a lot of shooting in a compact, simple rig. Something like the SIG ASP20? Shooting a BB well takes time to learn, start now. 🙂
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Long term survival I take a PCP, a Hand pump and a mould over any other airgun platform out there without even blinking,.....for a huge variety of reasons.
X2 ^
To add to that , I would take my .257 cal converted discovery ,the 257420 HP mold and a cheap Chinese handpump . From partridge to deer and just about everything in between wouldn’t stand a chance inside 150yards . Don’t forget an oring kit .
Also remember, on a long term SHTF situation eventually stores will be abandoned,.....one thing no one will loot is O-rings :) you'll be able to fund O-rings everywhere and that's all you need to maintain your pump and rifle, also lead will be everywhere.
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A .25 Sumatra would have no problem with hogs or dogs.
That Sumatra looks like a really nice option, right off the shelf. Is there a moderator available for it? Will it fire round balls? If not, is there a mold available that can produce the proper pellets for it?
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A .25 Sumatra would have no problem with hogs or dogs.
That Sumatra looks like a really nice option, right off the shelf. Is there a moderator available for it? Will it fire round balls? If not, is there a mold available that can produce the proper pellets for it?
Neil Clague makes LDCs for them, there's a bunch of pellet/bullets moulds that will fit the Sumatra magazine
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A .25 Sumatra would have no problem with hogs or dogs.
That Sumatra looks like a really nice option, right off the shelf. Is there a moderator available for it? Will it fire round balls? If not, is there a mold available that can produce the proper pellets for it?
If it's anything like it's cousin the older korean Career 909 it would shoot balls great. my 9mm loved the bulk shotgun buckshot reload ammo.
A .22 carbine may be my next... fine guns!
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Where can you buy Neil Clague LDCs? I can’t find a website for it that doesn’t redirect to an add for viagra.
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Here ya go Jen:
http://petersoncorner.com/clague/default.htm (http://petersoncorner.com/clague/default.htm)
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Where can you buy Neil Clague LDCs? I can’t find a website for it that doesn’t redirect to an add for viagra.
the ads are related to what you have been browsing or whoever uses your phone... ;D J/K
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Here ya go Jen:
Thanks. I was able to contact him.
As far as Chinese hand pumps, I see Hiram and OrangeA brand hand pumps on Amazon for under $50. Are those the ones?
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I bought a Hiram scope it works well, like others have mentioned most hand pumps look identical except for brand names.
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I ordered a .25 Sumatra, 33ish grain JSB pellets, and pump, and I’m working on ordering the can. What I need next is a pellet mold. Any advice on a higher grain .25 hunting pellet mold?
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In this gate you will find the answers. ;)
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0)
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For the SHTF situations,
long or short term and will provide more to the food larder than anything else...........
there is one tool that almost get's forgotten, and will be used more than any other weapon......
It has not been mentioned here before............ :o
Tia,
Don
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For the SHTF situations,
long or short term and will provide more to the food larder than anything else...........
there is one tool that almost get's forgotten, and will be used more than any other weapon......
It has not been mentioned here before............ :o
Tia,
Don
Traps?
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I'm with the pirate on this one. Chinese know how to make the hand pump. The money you save would buy your mold and then some.
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My first choice wouod be a PBBA rifle. They have 150cc or 300cc versions and the fill pressure is 3000psi. My 300cc version doesnt take long to pump back up after Ive fired 3 shots. In .40 I get just under 400fpe.
Id also consider a DAQ, a Disco or a Korean pcp.
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Jen
You get the Gold star,
A couple dozen good traps will provide more food than any weapon, traps work 24/7/365,
and with the correct sized trap, will hold deer/lion/sheep sized critters also. ;)
Very silent and powerful, but are HLLL on fingers, LOL, don't ask how I know..........
Tia,
Don
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Jen
You get the Gold star,
A couple dozen good traps will provide more food than any weapon, traps work 24/7/365,
and with the correct sized trap, will hold deer/lion/sheep sized critters also. ;)
Very silent and powerful, but are HLLL on fingers, LOL, don't ask how I know..........
Tia,
Don
Yeah, traps are great like a bunch of other stuff,.....but gotta keep protection in mind too in a long term survival situation,
traps ain't gonna protect you :) :) LOL
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The ultimate survival tool IMHO would be what Manny is holding in his hand. A long bow or a recurve bow. Silent with reusable ammo and capable of killing anything from small game to deer or elk. It served the native Americans for a thousand years(?) or more and if you get real good at instinctive shooting you can hit a running rabbit or flying bird. Only thing to wear out on a simple bow like that would be the string and you could carry a life times supply. Arrows can be made and if you start out with enough to give yourself time to figure out how to make arrows you'll never run out. https://www.wildernesscollege.com/how-to-shoot-a-bow.html (https://www.wildernesscollege.com/how-to-shoot-a-bow.html)
Here's the book I used to learn to shoot instinctive. Fred Asbell in his book Instinctive Shooting https://www.amazon.com/Instinctive-Shooting-II-Fred-Asbell/dp/0963947923 (https://www.amazon.com/Instinctive-Shooting-II-Fred-Asbell/dp/0963947923)
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The ultimate survival tool IMHO would be what Manny is holding in his hand. A long bow or a recurve bow. Silent with reusable ammo and capable of killing anything from small game to deer or elk. It served the native Americans for a thousand years(?) or more and if you get real good at instinctive shooting you can hit a running rabbit or flying bird. Only thing to wear out on a simple bow like that would be the string and you could carry a life times supply. Arrows can be made and if you start out with enough to give yourself time to figure out how to make arrows you'll never run out. https://www.wildernesscollege.com/how-to-shoot-a-bow.html (https://www.wildernesscollege.com/how-to-shoot-a-bow.html)
Here's the book I used to learn to shoot instinctive. Fred Asbell in his book Instinctive Shooting https://www.amazon.com/Instinctive-Shooting-II-Fred-Asbell/dp/0963947923 (https://www.amazon.com/Instinctive-Shooting-II-Fred-Asbell/dp/0963947923)
yep, bow and arrows is great too, I make my own and also make arrows, half dozen strings in the stash will last several lifetimes
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Still, Bow and arrow isn't a great defensive weapon,
I post myself hidden with my .30 cal PCP, Clauge LDC on and watch out if you are trying to get in my area
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You can have all the different weapons made, knives, guns, traps(good call on that one, NVRELOADER), ammo up the yang, but survival has to come from the gut and the brain. One must be a knieving soul, anyway, always looking for a better way, not staying stagnant with how things are commonly done. Mistakes made in life are never repeated once learned. Not always looking at others at face value. Always aware of your surrounding, even at the grocery store.
They must be at the highest level of common sense, which, btw, is a rarity these days. For sure not an impulsive person, but one that can reason and look at things objectively.
The guys that are good at the game of chess, will be the survivors. The ones that reply “Huh?” all the time, well, not so much a survivor.