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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Boolit and Pellet Casting => Topic started by: miksatx on July 30, 2019, 11:42:40 AM
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Has anyone cast and shot these WC yet?
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I tried them at 950 fps and they were not happy.... However, used at typical wadcutter velocities of under 700 fps you could have a totally different result.... I simply don't know....
Bob
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I tried them at 950 fps and they were not happy.... However, used at typical wadcutter velocities of under 700 fps you could have a totally different result.... I simply don't know....
Bob
Was that out a choked barrel Bob? I was plan on shooting them bout 800. Guess I can try under 700.
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Yes, choked, and actually I guess it was probably closer to 1000 fps, as the gun was tuned for Kings at 960.... Best to try them at whatever you want to shoot them at, then change it if necessary, IMO....
Bob
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Yum flavor of the morning wadcutters. Decided last night I'd use up my recycled pellets lead into wadcutters.
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Wow!! Talk about dislike lol 4 shot group out my GM barreled p15 @820 fps. Guess I'll drag my talon out see what it does. Got a couple barrels to try. I know ya only see three the fourth didn't hit the cardboard lol. It went right.
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Dang that was painful neither barrel in the talon printed on cardboard at 15yards. Both barrels are choked. So anyone with a .25 unchoked barrel want to give any of these a try? Pm me.
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I never got the WC 250 mold but the 26 grain pellets I cast from the 250-27-RF mold are killer in the unchoked barrel on my DAR25 and they do shoot about like the JSB25.39 out of the Mrod with a GM barrel.
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I never got the WC 250 mold but the 26 grain pellets I cast from the 250-27-RF mold are killer in the unchoked barrel on my DAR25 and they do shoot about like the JSB25.39 out of the Mrod with a GM barrel.
I figure they probably shoot out a unchoked barrel ok. But I'm not going to buy another gun or barrel just the shoot these dang things lol. Let me know if ya want to give them a try I saved back a little bag of them. The rest are back In the pot.
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Somebody needs to try these under 700 fps, which is what wadcutters are designed for....
Bob
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I could only get my Talon down to 770 with the condor valve. I can probably dig out my Talon valve and the co2 adaptor an rig up a paintball reg. Still only have choked barrel to shoot out of.
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I give up I got the speed down to 620. I just couldn't get them on paper. Even with the lowest scope rings I have. Couldn't get them out of the dirt.and that was at 7yards. To hot hot hot.
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You can pretty much say your Talon doesn't like them, for sure.... :(
Bob
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I have a .25 mrod on its way to me I need to get some parts for it to shot it but Id at least shoot some to see what it does.
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I have a .25 mrod on its way to me I need to get some parts for it to shot it but Id at least shoot some to see what it does.
PM me your address
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Ok still big disappointment. Dug out the old p15 barrel cause it's not choked. Mounted it and here's the results managed to back off the p15 took one shot through the paintball chrony 704fps. Believe it or not this is a 8 shot group lol.
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Still grouping like a shotgun.
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Still grouping like a shotgun.
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Lol hey Matt never seen a shotgun shoot this bad ha Ha ha!!
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Somebody needs to try these under 700 fps, which is what wadcutters are designed for....
Bob
slow is the way to go. But I'm inclined to think that they would performance better at velocities even lower than 700 fps. I'm thinking 500 fps might be a good place to start and work upwards from there.
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Take two screwdrivers and pry th etop hat out of the talon. Place rubber washers under it, one at a time to lower the velocity. It is the poor mans regulator of AF guns.
Put top hat back in and with your fingers push in as far as you can.
Now, push the breach forward but not far enough to cock it. Let it go under spring pressure. Lightly first time. Heaver pressure each time after.
After apx. four goes, cock and shoot. The top hat is now seated. Shoot and have fun. ;) 8)
Knife
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Michael, one thing I just noticed in your photo of the pellets you cast in Reply #4.... Many of the pellets appear to have hollows in the center of them indicating incomplete fill-out.... Have a good look at them, reject all the ones with obvious flaws, or even weigh them and select only the heaviest ones and try another group....
Bob
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I agree I see voids in the metpalt and in the skirt. The .22 NOE mold I have pretty well drops one cavity at 22.8 and the other at 23.2 I do a visual of them and i could weigh them but of the 400 so far that i weighed of the probably 4000 or more all were with in .5gn of each other. Ill be the first to admit I messed up big time with my first try at casting, I nearly ruined a new NOE mold...
I use Wayne52's methold turn the mold on its side bottom pour dipper to the sprue tip up and repeat. The third time I casted a lot of pellets I can say I probably have less rejects than the first successful batch. I know I have casted between 650-800°f and it seems that they all look good. So maybe do a few more casting sessions and see what you come up with.
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Thanks Bob and Matt I'll give what I have left a good look over an catch a weight on them filled out ones.
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Take two screwdrivers and pry th etop hat out of the talon. Place rubber washers under it, one at a time to lower the velocity. It is the poor mans regulator of AF guns.
Put top hat back in and with your fingers push in as far as you can.
Now, push the breach forward but not far enough to cock it. Let it go under spring pressure. Lightly first time. Heaver pressure each time after.
After apx. four goes, cock and shoot. The top hat is now seated. Shoot and have fun. ;) 8)
Knife
Knife I'll give that a try thanks!
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slow is the way to go. But I'm inclined to think that they would performance better at velocities even lower than 700 fps. I'm thinking 500 fps might be a good place to start and work upwards from there.
Mod90 didn't mean to leave you out. If anyone stateside has a .25 that shoots 500 like Mod90 suggest I'd be willing to send them pellets.
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I picked through what wadcutters I had left came up with 8 21.8gn. Got my p15 down to 730 and same old same old. 5 shots on paper no idea where the other 3 went.
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if your current setup can only go as low as 730 fps, maybe using a little lower fill pressure might get them moving slower.
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Got the batch you sent me today and today I got my mrod shooting so I will test them soon.
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A little later I will have pictures and some crony data. But at 1028 fps making 51~fpe they dont seem to be doing all that bad out of my mrod. It's not stacking them like the 34gn JSBs but I think if I turned it down it just might. So I think it's your barrel for sure.
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Here is the groups and crony data, random picks to.
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Matt I was out with my DAR25 today and it's really loving the 250-27-RF 26 grainers I've been casting, I had too much fun with it today shooting a can at 60 yards, I also shot a Ghog and chipper with it too.
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Matt I was out with my DAR25 today and it's really loving the 250-27-RF 26 grainers I've been casting, I had too much fun with it today shooting a can at 60 yards, I also shot a Ghog and chipper with it too.
Being that Matt had this mrod tuned for 34gn jsb I am waiting to see if NOE is going to release the 250-34-rf soon. Even at 1000fps these wadcutters looked like they may be promising also for plinking.
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I tested them yesterday at velocities ranging from 710-750fps and they perform pretty darned good from my Xisico Sentry .25 (prototype). I had turned it down considerably from where it was to begin with and I'll try turning it down some more the next time I go out with it. I'm thinking that starting out at a fill pressure of about 2.6-2.7Kpsi that it will do even better yet with the gun turned down further yet. I did manage to get a chipmunk and red squirrel with it yesterday with the wad cutters and wow what a smack it delivered with devastating results as well.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=129628.0;attach=282574;image)
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Well I turned my Senty25 down as far as it will go and did a chrony string starting at a 2K fill
1. 700.5fps 23.65fpe 8. 726.3fps 25.42fpe I'm going to try it today at this setting to see how it shoots the wad cutters, I did notice the last time out that at about 700fps
2. 703.1fps 23.82fpe 9. 723.8fps 25.21fpe it was hitting very consecutive for about three shots but then the velocity rose very fast after that but that was at a 3K fill too.
3. 704.5fps 23.92fpe 10. 761.4fps 27.94fpe This gun is the the HC which is the high capacity tube and I'm sure that I'll be able to get a heck of a lot more shots from it but
4. 708.0fps 24.15fpe 11. 723.3fps 25.21fpe I think this will be good for testing purposes of the WC's. I would have done a longer chrony string however I'm getting low on
5. 707.6fps 24.13fpe 12. 724.5fps 25.29fpe pellets right now and want enough to take out in the field with me today.
6. 711.2fps 24.38fpe 13. 746.7fps 27.37fpe
7. 717.9fps 24.83fpe 14. 753.7fps 27.37fpe
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I'll try the next heavier pin the next time I cast them, it will be better I think and maybe keep the velocity down with a higher pressure fill than 2K, I'd rather start at a 2.5K fill if possible with the gun.
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I may have a mold in my possession here soon. So I will be waiting to see how different pins work out for you.
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I'll try the next heavier pin the next time I cast them, it will be better I think and maybe keep the velocity down with a higher pressure fill than 2K, I'd rather start at a 2.5K fill if possible with the gun.
That's probably a good idea going with a shallower base pin. Don't know why I didn't try that lol. I have cut down several of my .25 6 ring slugs to the top 3 rings leaving a kind of boat tail that shot very accurately.
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I just switched over to the next size up pins and will be casting within a half hour probably, I'll do a chrony test before I head to the state land with my Sentry to test them.
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I got my 250-22-WC mold today, I didn't know it had 4 sets of pins! My PB, HP mold only came with 1 set so that was a nice surprise! I will be casting all weights tomorrow and will hopefully shoot them next week after my long stretch at work.
I didn't see any more about this mold after Wayne cast his last batch last Aug. and was wondering if the accuracy issue had been resolved?
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All pellet molds come with 4 sets of pins. You can very the weight with them and typically speaking the flat base pin isnt very useful.
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All pellet molds come with 4 sets of pins. You can very the weight with them and typically speaking the flat base pin isnt very useful.
Matt, do they get squirrely with a solid base? Thanks for the answer, I have not seen that before.
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I have not shot any I have some casted up for testing but others report they do not shoot well. I beleave its because the skirt doesn't seal like it should its essentially a misshapen slug now.
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That would be OK for me if they will retain accuracy for 20m or so. I have some 13 stripes that are very resilient to anything but a head shot, I have wounding them so a flat meplat heavy enough to carry all the way along a Texas Heart Shot, would be good for me.
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My experience is that the solid skirt pin pellets do not shoot well even at 10 yards, I suspect CG is to far back.
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My experience is that the solid skirt pin pellets do not shoot well even at 10 yards, I suspect CG is to far back.
I wonder why Al sends those pins then? Any ideas?
I am going to make some of each for the DAR and I want to see what FPE I can get from this mold.
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I was able to cast a couple hundred .25 pellets today after work and I had a lot of cull until I bent the pin arms into the mold body so that the skirts would not flash. Pressure pouring is out as there is too much to fit up and slow pouring is out due to the skirt not filling out. I regular, medium cast pour worked just fine after my adjustments.
I probably have a 20% cull right now but expect that to drop to 10% as I make better pellets the next time I cast these.
Its nice to have a full, 10# pot of clean pure lead from shot pellets and SOWW, there is probably some tin in there since they do fill out so nicely and shine brightly!
Now its time to cast 3000 pellets!!
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I was able to cast a couple hundred .25 pellets today after work and I had a lot of cull until I bent the pin arms into the mold body so that the skirts would not flash. Pressure pouring is out as there is too much to fit up and slow pouring is out due to the skirt not filling out. I regular, medium cast pour worked just fine after my adjustments.
I probably have a 20% cull right now but expect that to drop to 10% as I make better pellets the next time I cast these.
Its nice to have a full, 10# pot of clean pure lead from shot pellets and SOWW, there is probably some tin in there since they do fill out so nicely and shine brightly!
Now its time to cast 3000 pellets!!
I didn't realize you were getting the 22 grain mold too. It's going to be next week before I can play with mine. ☹️
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I was able to cast a couple hundred .25 pellets today after work and I had a lot of cull until I bent the pin arms into the mold body so that the skirts would not flash. Pressure pouring is out as there is too much to fit up and slow pouring is out due to the skirt not filling out. I regular, medium cast pour worked just fine after my adjustments.
I probably have a 20% cull right now but expect that to drop to 10% as I make better pellets the next time I cast these.
Its nice to have a full, 10# pot of clean pure lead from shot pellets and SOWW, there is probably some tin in there since they do fill out so nicely and shine brightly!
Now its time to cast 3000 pellets!!
I didn't realize you were getting the 22 grain mold too. It's going to be next week before I can play with mine. ☹️
It was the only one available so I jumped on it! I really want the .25 slug mold but I dont see that happening soon.
Here is the tin I cast tonight.
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Its nice to have a full, 10# pot of clean pure lead from shot pellets and SOWW, there is probably some tin in there since they do fill out so nicely and shine brightly!
Now its time to cast 3000 pellets!!
I just bought a second 10# pot so I could run pure lead in one and alloy in the other one. 😎