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i had some funds to spend and its right at $1600. i was leaning towards the FX Impact which AOA briefly had in the used section for $1450 in .30 cal. it would have made sense to go ahead and just buy it since i had some Slug liners in .22 and .25 ready to go. i could go for the Crown but everyone wants an FX.
went ahead and ordered the RTI priest 2 for $1159 shipped and a Bulldog 357+ hawk endurance for $490 shipped from a fellow on another classified ad. i am over $59 dollars from budget but i am going to enjoy it.
Why the RTI Priest? everything about it looks simpler than the Impact, seems easier to work on, a bit lighter and CZ barrel. besides that i had a positive service from Rob of RTI. to summarized the experience, i had a failed RTI adjustable regulator from Airgunheaven, Rob sent a replacement with only a simple question.
When it gets here. i will show some groups. the fx slug liners will be fitted to a monster conthran gauntlet thats doing 79fpe currently. seems appropriate right?
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Brother Duy I think the Priest is a better design.. Only thing is doesn't have is a high capacity mag which isn't a big deal.....
Ray
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I have been looking at these rifles and hope that you post a lot of info!Cosmic your photo looks just like my side of the Mississippi! If it ever goes down maybe I can run the trails.
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Ya, lost everything and the government is worthless..
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brother Ray sorry to hear that. when did it happen?
ya cool hand i will post losts of pics and a good write up
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2 years ago , 2 ft through the house.. Was evacuated by the fire department.. The shot was on the way back to get my medications from their boat.. We landed on top of 5 ft tall stairs.. Back to the subject I will never be able to own a Priest but I knew it was a great design .. Now with the bugs fixed, fantastic.. Simple and elegant ... FX seems to be finicky..
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I looked at disassembly videos for both and its way less parts. i like the bottle regulator better than the inline regulators. Everything about the FX screams "warranty void" if you take it apart. Correct me if I am wrong.
heck i even considered a Taipan Veteran Long. but none can beat the weight and not to mention being able to take the bottle off and tether on your back. that and the improved trigger mechanism thats mounted on the side of the block is what sold me. it screams "different."
The only negatives I have for the RTI are the gritty straight pull charging handle I heard about and the 1 year warranty vs transferable warranty with FX.
Wait, let's not discount the FX system, FX can swap slug liners for $110. RTI nope. I am sure there are more positive points about FX I am not in the knowing. But hey I am only paying $1130 vs $1999.
I talked to Rob about a bigger plenum, and behold he's already tested with bigger plenum. Even with the regulator, he's already tested for ways to make it more stable. Overall, I am impressed with his work that he puts in and the more affordable pricing.
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Same here, I chose the Priest 2 and have not looked back. Rob is so helpful I even re wrote the manual. There are still some quarks with the Priest 2 but with how well RTI Arms listens to people and make the changes, they will soon be on top. It is also nice that they only make one thing not a bunch of different models. Make one thing and make it well.
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Got the .22 and am happy how it performs with the JSB Monster 18 grainers.
Wanted to try the heavier JSB Monster Redesigned 25 grains but i have a hard time getting decent speeds with these.
The regulator set @150 bar i only get 845fps. I got the heavier spring and extra hammerweight.
I'm wondering, how are guys with the .30 barrelkit are getting decent speeds with 44 grain pellets while i already starting to struggle with 25 grainers?
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the .22 cal has a smaller transfer port. the 30 cals have a bigger transfer port. i have not opened mine up yet to see the TP diameter in the breech. but having a bigger TP in the 30 cal barrel will also help.
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I have a Perfomance Priest II in .25. I had to get in touch with RTI about something and how it was resolved was pretty awesome. I like the gun better than the standard Priest II I had. It’s not a Taipan but it’s also not supposed to be. With a normal non cannon tune, cocking the gun is no big deal unless you are a child. I only have one bug to work out on my gun. I did about all I could do so now it’s just time to get more shots through the gun and hope it irons itself out. Neat gun. Hope you like it.
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I don't know much, but I'm wondering if you considered the JSA Raptor? The RTI Priest 2 seems along the same lines as the Raptor, being tactical-looking, bottle-fed, very accurate, very powerful, etc., and the same price. I don't have a clue how easy the Raptor is to work on, and it is very new.
Edit: Oops; now I see the date of the original post was June 2019, before the Raptor was even available.
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the .22 cal has a smaller transfer port. the 30 cals have a bigger transfer port. i have not opened mine up yet to see the TP diameter in the breech. but having a bigger TP in the 30 cal barrel will also help.
According to Mr Rob from RTI himself there is internal no difference between which Priest 2 whatsoever.
Only the barrelkits itself which can be purchased afterwards (barrel, pelletprobe, endcap shroud) are different.
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I had the opportunity the whole is disassembled, It has minor flaws they have two big mistakes and those are they have not balanced / facilitated valve and poor design poppet valve-valve- transfer port-barrel port and short barrel (500mm). The hammer latching at the beginning and not at the end.
They have two good things, a plenum of about 40 cc and the ability to adjust the reg. (if you buy one ;D)
And that the air goes at an angle of 45/90 degrees and can happen to break the poppet...
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I don't know much, but I'm wondering if you considered the JSA Raptor? The RTI Priest 2 seems along the same lines as the Raptor, being tactical-looking, bottle-fed, very accurate, very powerful, etc., and the same price. I don't have a clue how easy the Raptor is to work on, and it is very new.
Edit: Oops; now I see the date of the original post was June 2019, before the Raptor was even available.
The Raptor is much longer, not a bullpup.
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Here's why break poppet valve on RTI Priest, and here is another part that warp ::) Look photos
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Here's why break poppet valve on RTI Priest, and here is another part that warp ::) Look photos
Isn't this Priest 1? Never heard of this issue with Priest 2.
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Here's why break poppet valve on RTI Priest, and here is another part that warp ::) Look photos
Isn't this Priest 1? Never heard of this issue with Priest 2.
The only difference between RTI 1 and 2 is trigger...
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Atom, what did you do to get that big damage in that valve housing area? the trigger is not the only difference. the magazine was redesigned, also other things.
Atom, what is the ID and length of the plenum?
Mike, i considered the raptor vs the crown. i went with the crown cause i had fx slug liners ready to go. besides, i didnt want to wait for the preorder.
Frank, i am well pleased with RTI customer service.
Harold, the port on the 30 cal barrel will help. if the ports in the breech were bigger that will also help with fpe. try opening your barrel port to 3/16 and see if that gains you the speed you need
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Atom, what did you do to get that big damage in that valve housing area? the trigger is not the only difference. the magazine was redesigned, also other things.
Atom, what is the ID and length of the plenum?
Mike, i considered the raptor vs the crown. i went with the crown cause i had fx slug liners ready to go. besides, i didnt want to wait for the preorder.
Frank, i am well pleased with RTI customer service.
Harold, the port on the 30 cal barrel will help. if the ports in the breech were bigger that will also help with fpe. try opening your barrel port to 3/16 and see if that gains you the speed you need
These are all little changes, when they would have balanced / facilitated valve ( as FX has in all models) and 600 mm barrel i would say she is good gun, damage is an accident...
Plenum volume is about 30 cc and have plenum extension...
And one more thing the poppet valve is wide about 9 mm valve inlet 6.2 mm valve outlet & TP is 5 mm for all calibers ::) horror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIieMwHwkw&t=73s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIieMwHwkw&t=73s)
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Harold, the port on the 30 cal barrel will help. if the ports in the breech were bigger that will also help with fpe. try opening your barrel port to 3/16 and see if that gains you the speed you need
I have the .22 Lothar Walter "Long Range" barrel, which is designed with the heavier pellets in mind. I assume the port size should be okay.
By the way, if i increase the regulator pressure to 175 bar it started to look like something (900fps for the 25 grain Redesigned pellet), but it becomes a HUGE air consumer then.
175 bar for getting a 25 grain pellet @ 900fps with the Priest is way too much.
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Harold, the port on the 30 cal barrel will help. if the ports in the breech were bigger that will also help with fpe. try opening your barrel port to 3/16 and see if that gains you the speed you need
I have the .22 Lothar Walter "Long Range" barrel, which is designed with the heavier pellets in mind. I assume the port size should be okay.
By the way, if i increase the regulator pressure to 175 bar it started to look like something (900fps for the 25 grain Redesigned pellet), but it becomes a HUGE air consumer then.
175 bar for getting a 25 grain pellet @ 900fps with the Priest is way too much.
All you have to do is make a new poppet from PEEK plastic width 7 mm , factory RTI poppet is 9.35 mm and the throat valve is 6.3 mm. And oval barrel port to get a surface of 5mm TP...
Look at the factory poppet ::)
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I don't think there is much comparison between the Priest and Impact. And there probably shouldn't be since the designer of the priest answers all the questions about it being a copy with that very statement...
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it is a comparison when the choices are scaled down to those two in the bullpup design. outside dimensions are similar. we all know the insides are different and so are the price tags.
no body said anything about who copies whom. whoever said it needs to have a closer look at the designs
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How can I get hold of Rob at RTI? I may have missed it... will double check. Anyone have an email address?
thanks
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the email thats on his website. he gets it and is responsive unless hes real busy with the business.
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Harold, the port on the 30 cal barrel will help. if the ports in the breech were bigger that will also help with fpe. try opening your barrel port to 3/16 and see if that gains you the speed you need
I have the .22 Lothar Walter "Long Range" barrel, which is designed with the heavier pellets in mind. I assume the port size should be okay.
By the way, if i increase the regulator pressure to 175 bar it started to look like something (900fps for the 25 grain Redesigned pellet), but it becomes a HUGE air consumer then.
175 bar for getting a 25 grain pellet @ 900fps with the Priest is way too much.
All you have to do is make a new poppet from PEEK plastic width 7 mm , factory RTI poppet is 9.35 mm and the throat valve is 6.3 mm. And oval barrel port to get a surface of 5mm TP...
Look at the factory poppet ::)
In other words, are you saying that .22/.25/.30 out of the factory are not the same in the breech?
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Harold, the port on the 30 cal barrel will help. if the ports in the breech were bigger that will also help with fpe. try opening your barrel port to 3/16 and see if that gains you the speed you need
I have the .22 Lothar Walter "Long Range" barrel, which is designed with the heavier pellets in mind. I assume the port size should be okay.
By the way, if i increase the regulator pressure to 175 bar it started to look like something (900fps for the 25 grain Redesigned pellet), but it becomes a HUGE air consumer then.
175 bar for getting a 25 grain pellet @ 900fps with the Priest is way too much.
All you have to do is make a new poppet from PEEK plastic width 7 mm , factory RTI poppet is 9.35 mm and the throat valve is 6.3 mm. And oval barrel port to get a surface of 5mm TP...
Look at the factory poppet ::)
In other words, are you saying that .22/.25/.30 out of the factory are not the same in the breech?
I did not understand the question?
See the poppet after 6K shoot.
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I would say that judging from your pictures, that gun has been through *(&^ and had a few bad modifications. So, don’t be putting the gun down when your modifications/problems are caused by your fault.
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I would say that judging from your pictures, that gun has been through *(&^ and had a few bad modifications. So, don’t be putting the gun down when your modifications/problems are caused by your fault.
Absolutely no change has been made to it, that was cal 6.35 reg.at 150 bar.
Each part of the block / action can take pictures if you like...
This block was destroyed because which is a built-in block of RTI mk2. This was demanded by the manufacturer. There were big problems with Mk1 hammer and trigger!
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I would say that judging from your pictures, that gun has been through *(&^ and had a few bad modifications. So, don’t be putting the gun down when your modifications/problems are caused by your fault.
Absolutely no change has been made to it, that was cal 6.35 reg.at 150 bar.
Each part of the block / action can take pictures if you like...
This block was destroyed because which is a built-in block of RTI mk2. This was demanded by the manufacturer. There were big problems with Mk1 hammer and trigger!
Pozdrav!
Da si li s hrvatske ako mogu pitati?
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I would say that judging from your pictures, that gun has been through *(&^ and had a few bad modifications. So, don’t be putting the gun down when your modifications/problems are caused by your fault.
Absolutely no change has been made to it, that was cal 6.35 reg.at 150 bar.
Each part of the block / action can take pictures if you like...
This block was destroyed because which is a built-in block of RTI mk2. This was demanded by the manufacturer. There were big problems with Mk1 hammer and trigger!
Pozdrav!
Da si li s hrvatske ako mogu pitati?
Thats exactly what I was thinking
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Thats exactly what I was thinking
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What exactly did you mean?
I'll show damage in CZ barrel right below crown.
That company needs to get make serious, People give 1000 euro to them...
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What exactly did you mean?
I'll show damage in CZ barrel right below crown.
That company needs to get make serious, People give 1000 euro to them...
Ante, I hear what you're saying, but people spent considerably more on FX Impacts and there were a fair number of unhappy buyers with extreme remorse. Things have certainly settled down from what I can tell now that the primary US Distributor changed.
All in all, the RTI offering is much like any complicated HPA assembly- there will be problems. The folks at RTI seem to be willing to make improvements, and for a small company, that can be very hard once production commences. Just give RTI a fair shake- their heavy presence (for such a small builder) at EBR speaks volumes. I'm still fond of the Priest. Dunno if I like it more or less than some of the other bullpup offering out there... worth the money, it seems, but dunno if I will drop the coin especially since Cometa finally released a sidelever version of their Orion BP. We'll see what happens over the next few months but my "purchasing power" is leaning toward supporting one of the smaller builders.
Right now is a great time to be an airgunner. We have boutique custom offerings like RAW and JSAR's guns going for a very reasonable price (especially since I get another 10% with JSAR thanks to being a vet), we have the fine offerings from FX, several other eastern European guns with known capabilities, some very good English brands, the usual German "suspects", Spain's Cometa, and of course, the "regular" US brand of Crosman, the Turkish and Korean powerhouses, and of course, SPA.
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What exactly did you mean?
I'll show damage in CZ barrel right below crown.
That company needs to get make serious, People give 1000 euro to them...
Ante, I hear what you're saying, but people spent considerably more on FX Impacts and there were a fair number of unhappy buyers with extreme remorse. Things have certainly settled down from what I can tell now that the primary US Distributor changed.
All in all, the RTI offering is much like any complicated HPA assembly- there will be problems. The folks at RTI seem to be willing to make improvements, and for a small company, that can be very hard once production commences. Just give RTI a fair shake- their heavy presence (for such a small builder) at EBR speaks volumes. I'm still fond of the Priest. Dunno if I like it more or less than some of the other bullpup offering out there... worth the money, it seems, but dunno if I will drop the coin especially since Cometa finally released a sidelever version of their Orion BP. We'll see what happens over the next few months but my "purchasing power" is leaning toward supporting one of the smaller builders.
Right now is a great time to be an airgunner. We have boutique custom offerings like RAW and JSAR's guns going for a very reasonable price (especially since I get another 10% with JSAR thanks to being a vet), we have the fine offerings from FX, several other eastern European guns with known capabilities, some very good English brands, the usual German "suspects", Spain's Cometa, and of course, the "regular" US brand of Crosman, the Turkish and Korean powerhouses, and of course, SPA.
You forgot one dangerous player and he is called AEA Precision Airguns, and Listone from Taiwan produces them, which have license from Carl Walther for their barrel. They are affiliated with the company Arrowy Flier from Taiwan which produces the smartest barrel so far. ;)
Let the fight continue...
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