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I recently got an urban in a trade and was wondering if there’s a less expensive magazine option?
Also, can the coyote and/or buccaneer wood stocks fit the urban?
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https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/wts-custom-air-rifle-magazines-for-p15/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/wts-custom-air-rifle-magazines-for-p15/)
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No mention of the Urban mags on that link.
Contact this guy....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=158655.msg155759757#msg155759757 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=158655.msg155759757#msg155759757)
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Urban mags usually go on sale around November-December.
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Almost a universal complaint about the Gamo Urban....no airgun should come with just one mag. (although firearms nearly always do....airguns nearly always come with two) and the simple injection molded plastic mags shoud NOT cost $50 (esp. considering this isn't some limited edition rifle with low sales volume).
Not too long ago (maybe a year...maybe only 6 months) were Gamo mags for $34 and the identiacl mags marked BSA for $49. "They" pretty well figured that out and decided to even them up at $50....mark that up to greed.
(from the links, if a private individual can make them and sell them at a profit for much less than $50....then the company's mass production must be making some serious $ per mag.).
Several members here have adapted wood BSA stocks to their Urbans...I've no idea if it was a drop-fit or if there was some adapting.
The other complaints seem to be:
1. It's ugly enough to be "fugly". Some of that is the stock....some of that is the giant sized LDC.
2. Trigger could be better (and it can be,with a longer adjusting screw).
3. Shot count from the 105cc air tube.
Two of those (#1 and #3) might be valid complaints if you "accidnetly" got one (door prize/unextected result from a trade). If you knowingly bought one, then you should have figured out #1 and #3 before you pushed the "buy" button.
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Love my Urban but, it's kinda like the old printer scheme. The printer is dirt cheap... the ink will break the bank.
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I bought mine used and the PO bought a second mag and I have seen that stock blanks can be had very cheap. Cheap enough I may attempt making a stock for it. So far all I have dose was crank up the hammer spring.
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No mention of the Urban mags on that link.
Contact this guy....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=158655.msg155759757#msg155759757 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=158655.msg155759757#msg155759757)
I purchased two from this gentleman, not at the same time. I was so impressed with the first, that I just had to have another. I highly recommend both this product and the seller! I hope he has some in stock for you, they function perfectly.
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Thanks all, unfortunately Lee doesn’t have any more and won’t be making more unless there’s another larger order.
I actually like the look but I’m also considering buying and fitting a buccaneer stock. The previous owner did several mods to it already, the longer trigger screw and drilled a hole in the stock so you can adjust the hammer tension without removing the stock.
From all I’ve read it’s basically a rebranded buccaneer so accuracy should be pretty good. It’s going to be my backyard plinker and occasional pester so won’t see much over 30 yards.
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Is pretty much the same "guts" so far as I can see. Different stock, longer air tube, and no bigaz LDC. Set equally, one would shoot about as fast as the other (a bit like a car, the bigger gas tank would give you more miles per fill up, but not more speed).
Will say this about the Urban stock....with your eyes closed (so as not to remind you of the ugly) it actually feels quite good.
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Hmmmm.... different strokes I reckon... I find the stock quite comfortable and not really unpleasing to look at.
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Results-orientation I guess. Only time I notice the stock is when I'm not shooting. When I am shooting, all I see if the sight picture in the scope. Urban doesn't dispaly well to an observer,but actually fits well (with a low mounted scope).
Basically, we only touch a rifle in 4 or 5 places: hand on grip, finger on trigger, stock on shoulder, cheek on stock, the other-sided hand on the fore end(if hand-held). If the balance/weight/dimensions were the same, could make a popsicle stick wire-frame set up that felt the same....all the rest is just what folks not actually shooting the rifle see.
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I will admit.... the ones I've seen with the 'pickle' replaced with a full shroud look much better.
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I did cut mine off and replace it with a rocker 1 LDC made a big difference.
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This is what I'm talking about......
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134376.msg1339367#msg1339367 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134376.msg1339367#msg1339367)
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Like the results of that...but considering the price changes (up and down) currently the Coypte (wood stock), Buccaneer (black coated wood stock) and Urban are all the same price at PA. The other two would result in a longer air tube and a better shaped stock...and if thinking about removing the Urban LDC, would be equal in $$ to add an LDC.
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Exactly why mine is and will remain stock.... ;)
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If it wasnt for the fact I have a contract with rocker1 I'd prob still have the fart pickle on there.
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I did cut mine off and replace it with a rocker 1 LDC made a big difference.
Curious how difficult it was to do that and also how much was the ldc?
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I did cut mine off and replace it with a rocker 1 LDC made a big difference.
Curious how difficult it was to do that and also how much was the ldc?
Cutting it off I used a dremel and very carefully once to the barrel took my time and then use pliers to break the rest foo so I did not get into the finish.
there are 2 roll pins that you need to remove to get the guts out then the rest has to be cut, the portion of barrel that is in the outer but is splined and the pos is cast on or passed on. If you have a dremel, a cutting blade, caution, and confidence it is easy and I did it with shaky hands. Cost that I do now know I traded work for the one I have best bet is to send rocker1 a PM. I can tell it is a bit quieter but that fart noise it made is gone and that is the best part for me. POI did change just slightly but that is expected.
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It is a drop in fit for a Bucc stock, I have both and have swapped them many times. You will need the longer stock lug for the Bucc or coyote stock, the Urban is too short.
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I wrapped my baffles with electrical tape and it helps the volume of the report. They don't fit tight in the outer tube and their was a gap down both sides letting out air. Now it fits tight in the external pickle and the air only goes out where the pellet leaves the pickle. I was just going to glue the two halves together but this works.
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I wrapped my baffles with electrical tape and it helps the volume of the report. They don't fit tight in the outer tube and their was a gap down both sides letting out air. Now it fits tight in the external pickle and the air only goes out where the pellet leaves the pickle. I was just going to glue the two halves together but this works.
Did you just do a single layer? So now the baffle is basic 1 long tube of tape? I will have to try that, thanks
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I overlapped about 50%. I know it’s a crutch. May do a partial shroud down the road, but this was cheap and easy
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Mine is as quiet as it was the the orignal pickle on it but now it dose not make the fart sound it used to. That right there is nice.
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Got my Urban today and had time to shoot 2 mags through it. I realize I definitely want a second mag, I hate that they cost so much though.
I do have a question now, in just these 20 shots I had several double feeds. I tried making sure I pulled it back deliberately but it would sometimes hang as I was pulling it back. Am I doing something wrong, is there something wrong with the rifle, something wrong with the mag? Pushing a pellet in feels smooth.
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It should break in and get easier. In the meantime, if you cycled it and the sear didn't catch.. pull the bolt back and remove the mag before pushing the bolt back in. This will avoid a double load. Shooting a double load will sometimes clip the inside of the 'pickle' on the end of the barrel. It could even blow the baffles out and your gun will become really loud.
Please don't be offended but, the gun is not double loading pellets... you are double loading pellets into the gun.
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Sorry did not get involved in the thread earlier... First piece of advice I give for Buccaneer/Coyote/Urban new owners is to get used to the bolt action before even putting the Mag in the rifle... My other mag fed bolt actions will double feed also...
but yep not hard to prevent once used to the rifle...
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I recommend at first very dilabrite cocking it until you get a feel for it. I have double fed more than I care to count and I found pulling back a lot harder than you think you should helps a lot to prevent yourself from double loading. There is a crisp definite engagement for a complete cock. There is a slightly less of the same feel for a half cock. Sometimes what you would think is a full cock isnt and really take a bit more grunt to fully cock it, this is when knowing what it should feel like will prevent a double feed you will instinctively pull back a little more to finish the cocking, or you will recock and remove the mag before pushing the bolt forward.
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I had a few double feeds the first time i shot mine and the bolt oring got destroyed in the process.
Now several thousand pellets later i have not had another.
You will get used to manipulating the bolt right after a while,just make sure you pull it all the way to the back and like the others said just pull the mag out if you get a pellet in the barrel before you load another behind it.
Bolt is glass smooth now as well,a slick little gun i enjoy so much ,i sold my Gauntlet and bought a Buccaneer that will be coming home today.
It's in .177 with a great looking wood stock with just a threaded barrel and stripper,so no ugly pickle.
It won't matter if it's loud,i got a 100 yard range at home for powder burners but i might put a moderator on it at some point.
I can't wait to try it out,allready bought a bunch of different pellets to try.
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Got my Urban today and had time to shoot 2 mags through it. I realize I definitely want a second mag, I hate that they cost so much though.
I do have a question now, in just these 20 shots I had several double feeds. I tried making sure I pulled it back deliberately but it would sometimes hang as I was pulling it back. Am I doing something wrong, is there something wrong with the rifle, something wrong with the mag? Pushing a pellet in feels smooth.
You will feel and hear a sharp click when it is fully cocked. As stated above the cocking will get smoother with use if not then inspect bolt probe rings for proper lube and damage.
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Any gun that uses the spring fed type mags can be double loaded.
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Any gun that uses the spring fed type mags can be double loaded.
Sure can! I still get one once in a Blue Moon when I am not paying attention to what I am doing.
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I have to keep a close eye on Betty Lou when she's shooting one of these type guns. She's a work in progress.... lol
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Thanks for all the replies. After posting I cycled the bolt several times without a magazine in and I’m pretty sure the trigger was set too light. There were times when I pulled the bolt back fully and it wouldn’t cock at all. I turned the trigger screw about a quarter turn and now it seems that all is well. Am I just making this up or is that a legitimate possibility?
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Nope, that's a legit possibility. Another may be that your hammer spring is set too heavy. Keep in mind, if it's a new gun, the hammer spring will somewhat break in and set. Many gun manuals will tell you to shoot 300 or so then turn the hammer spring in some to take the power back up. If your's is as heavy as you describe, you may not need to make adjustments.... just let it break in and set.
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When I put in the long screw and adjusted the trigger, I dry fired to get used to it. It does get better with usage.
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It was definitely the trigger being set too light, I went back and watched the air gun depot video about adjusting the trigger and tried the rubber hammer test and sure enough the rifle would fire with a bump the the butt. After making sure it was safely set I put 30 pellets through and zero double feed issues.
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It was definitely the trigger being set too light, I went back and watched the air gun depot video about adjusting the trigger and tried the rubber hammer test and sure enough the rifle would fire with a bump the the butt. After making sure it was safely set I put 30 pellets through and zero double feed issues.
The previous owner may have installed a longer screw in the trigger. I have my stock screw all the way in and it's ok. I did turn my hammer spring to the point I could not cock it then to the verge of 50/50 cock then backed it off half a turn. I'm making 26fpe with 14-34g pellets. Like every pellet at every weight is making 26fpe average...
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Next question, what type of accuracy should I expect? I have only shot maybe 100 or so pellets now and the best I’ve done so far is dime size groups of 10 at 30 yards? Reasonable or should I expected better? Seems the favorite pellet so far are polymags.
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Groups of ten at 30 yards sounds pretty good, especially if it’s consistent.
Many Urbans like Crosman premier domes, and JSB 18s. Mine hates the JSB 18s, but does the best with Air Arms 16s.
I usually shoot 5 shot groups at 40 yards, and I have seen many 1/4 - 3/8 inch groups, but there have been many more 3/4 - 1 inch groups in between the tight ones. So I would say you’re Urban is doing well.
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Good to know, thanks. I have an unopened tin of crossman I’ll be trying next.
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Mine tends to like a little heavier pellet than the 14.3.
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Mine seems to do ok with everything but seems to do better with jsb 18 and 25g.
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Mine seems to do ok with everything but seems to do better with jsb 18 and 25g.
Yours was whacking small lollipops at around 45 - 48 yards so I'd say that's real good.
Those were about the size of a paintball.
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Mine seems to do ok with everything but seems to do better with jsb 18 and 25g.
Yours was whacking small lollipops at around 45 - 48 yards so I'd say that's real good.
Those were about the size of a paintball.
Yes that is right and that was with the 18g jsb. You have to practis some hold over under windage but once you know that he rest is history.
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Next question, what is this CDT trigger I’ve heard mentioned and is it’s big improvement? Also how difficult is it to install?
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Next question, what is this CDT trigger I’ve heard mentioned and is it’s big improvement? Also how difficult is it to install?
It is a custom made trigger that has a extra adjustment in it made to replace this particular gamo trigger. It is a upgrade but not needed, I find the stock trigger to function well but I am used to m16 and m4 triggers my self. Instal if you have any ability in mechanics or be able to watch and follow a youtube video you can instal it without much fuss just take your time.
Frankly invest your time and money right now in a good AO scope and pellet selection. The AO scope will really make a difference in you POA to POI as your margin for error in hold cheek weld and eye relief wont matter as much as a fixed parallax scope. With a AO say you set it to 30y no matter where you put your eye the cross hairs are on target but only if your target is at 30y any more or less then there is parallax error to consider.
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Here’s another tip, before you spend money on the CTD, do the trigger screw replacement. Behind the trigger is an adjustment screw, it’s either 6 or 8 mm long. Replace it with a 10mm, and you will be able to adjust the trigger so that as soon as you break into the second stage the gun fires. I put lock-tite on mine and let it dry before I screwed it in, that way it goes in tight and won’t budge when you get it set right. Also don’t screw it in too far or the gun could go off accidentally.
I’ve read many reviews that say replacing the screw makes the Urban rigger very good and there’s no need to spend money on aftermarket triggers.
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Here’s another tip, before you spend money on the CTD, do the trigger screw replacement. Behind the trigger is an adjustment screw, it’s either 6 or 8 mm long. Replace it with a 10mm, and you will be able to adjust the trigger so that as soon as you break into the second stage the gun fires. I put lock-tite on mine and let it dry before I screwed it in, that way it goes in tight and won’t budge when you get it set right. Also don’t screw it in too far or the gun could go off accidentally.
I’ve read many reviews that say replacing the screw makes the Urban rigger very good and there’s no need to spend money on aftermarket triggers.
Oops, I just realized you already did the screw replacement.
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I just like the feel of the CDT and I think my Urban deserves it. I'll take metal over plastic any day. Wonder how the plastic will hold up over time?
Again.... I only put the CDT in because I already had one on hand... if not I probably would have waited until, or if it was needed.
When you can take a shot and your trigger never even enters your mind you have a good trigger.
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Funny turn of events, this is the quickest turn around I’ve ever had with anything, air gun or otherwise. I like the urban, do t get me wrong, but I have always wanted to try both a Bullpup and a sidelever. I’ve only had urbans, mrods and springers. I found a Kral puncher breaker for sale and the owner is going to trade for my urban plus money. So I thank you all for the urban information and I guess I’ll be starting a new Kral thread in a week or so.
I just hope I’m not making a mistake. In your opinion is the Kral at least as good as the urban? It’s the wood stock model and will come with a hugget ldc.
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I guess this is where I make my exit.... I'm not a pup fan... at all. I gave one a fair try and it was not for me...
Good luck and congrats.
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Same....although I tired bullpups twice and still have one, but there is no great love for the breed.
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Well, I’m never going to know until I try I guess. Worst case scenario I’ll be selling the pup here and getting another urban.
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Lots of folks love the pups. You could very well be one of those. If everyone liked the same thing there would only be one gun.... what fun would that be?
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Funny turn of events, this is the quickest turn around I’ve ever had with anything, air gun or otherwise. I like the urban, do t get me wrong, but I have always wanted to try both a Bullpup and a sidelever. I’ve only had urbans, mrods and springers. I found a Kral puncher breaker for sale and the owner is going to trade for my urban plus money. So I thank you all for the urban information and I guess I’ll be starting a new Kral thread in a week or so.
I just hope I’m not making a mistake. In your opinion is the Kral at least as good as the urban? It’s the wood stock model and will come with a hugget ldc.
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Sounds like a tempting offer, I also really like the bull pups. I think it’s the ‘wanna be’ engineer inside me that figures if a gun can be 6-10 inches shorter and do the same job that should be better. But I’ve read Ribbonstones posts about the awkwardness of them too. If it were a perfect world I’d get my hands on 4 or 5 different pups and see how I like them. But since that’s not Going to happen, I guess I’ll be looking for your posts once you get the Breaker to see what you think. I think it’s one of the good looking pups, along with the P15/Skyhawk. Hajimoto has a video describing some of the things an out the box Puncher Breaker could benefit from.