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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: 45flint on May 09, 2019, 05:53:29 PM

Title: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 45flint on May 09, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
Saw this posted for sale today.  I have seen these reach prices close to this in Europe but never here.  The pistol is very rare but probably closer to 500 are out there?  It is probably the holy grail of prewar spring pistol collecting.  It just another example of the prices being pushed by a good economy. But asking and getting are too different things.   Lol

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/812823461 (https://www.gunbroker.com/item/812823461)
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: Yng@hrt on May 09, 2019, 10:35:05 PM
I have a hard enough time keeping up with prices here in the states. European prices seem much more complicated. It would be interesting to see if the seller gets anywhere close to that.

How would you gauge it as far as condition? Or does this really come into play if its the holy grail?
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: Motorhead on May 09, 2019, 10:41:58 PM
There HAS NEVER in the history of man kind been more folks who have more money than they need or can likely spend in there lifetime .... Enter the market of collecting & fishing for what "Those Folks" maybe looking for  ???
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 45Bravo on May 09, 2019, 11:16:35 PM
The seller is in Massachusetts, they want more for everything up there..

His documentation probably says it came over on the mayflower with his great great great grandpa.
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: SteveP-52 on May 09, 2019, 11:25:04 PM
Same pistol is also listed on American Airguns Classifieds:

http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=177010&adSort=&StartingAd=0&NumberOfPages=4 (http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=177010&adSort=&StartingAd=0&NumberOfPages=4)
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: triggertreat on May 09, 2019, 11:48:16 PM
It is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.  From the photo, I would offer $20 tops.  I'm not a collector though.
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: Yng@hrt on May 09, 2019, 11:53:55 PM
Well, if Steve says its considered by many the holy grail you can pretty much bank on it. You oughta listen/read what many experts (including Steve) have to say about these guns over at AVA...it would blow your mind.
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 45flint on May 10, 2019, 06:15:45 AM
I have a hard enough time keeping up with prices here in the states. European prices seem much more complicated. It would be interesting to see if the seller gets anywhere close to that.

How would you gauge it as far as condition? Or does this really come into play if its the holy grail?

Condition is very important as to price.  To get close to that price you probably need it in excellent condition in a original box.  This gun is still in a condition that would attract collectors.  I would say average condition for its age.  Pluses it works and the grips aren’t cracked.  I would think he could get $600+ on a good day?  But they are so hard to find, maybe see one a year and often in worse condition. 
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: Wayne52 on May 10, 2019, 06:20:42 AM
Crazy price on that one ???
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 45flint on May 10, 2019, 07:52:44 AM
It’s hard to see from pictures why these are considered the holy grail.  But in Germany before the war, air pistols were made just like firearms.  The Luger was considered the ultimate pistol.  German Airgun manufacturers tried to put the Luger qualities into a airpistol.  The Tell 3 made in 1937 was the final and best attempt.  If you hold one you think you are holding a fine German firearm.  Lockup is like a fine watch.  There is nothing quite like it and WW2 cut off production to probably 1000?  Doubt more than 50% made it through the war?  Who knows.  But it comes down to a Luger that fires pellets, about as cool as it gets.
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: avator on May 10, 2019, 08:09:09 AM
Sorry, I looked really close and didn't see one speck of gold on the Holy Grail. Think I'll keep my $1500 in my sock awhile longer....  ;)
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: Wayne52 on May 10, 2019, 08:22:23 AM
Only three years ago at Kalamazoo's airgun show there were hundreds of fantastic deals on the really old collectables, I wish that I'd been after some of them back then.
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 45flint on May 10, 2019, 08:46:21 AM
Here is the best look at many Tell 3’s.  Best to worst and even one I repaired.  It’s also in the internal mechanisms where much of the gold resides.  The patent drawings here show that detail.  His challenge was reducing the length of the compression chamber so it didn’t look like a air pistol.  A lot going on inside.

https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/tell/tell-model-3-air-pistol/ (https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/tell/tell-model-3-air-pistol/)
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: Bicycleman on May 10, 2019, 09:16:31 AM
Interesting; but not Interested.
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: Yng@hrt on May 10, 2019, 09:41:45 AM
I think that's what I enjoy most about AVA...incredible photo gallery.
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 45flint on May 10, 2019, 10:23:23 AM
I think that's what I enjoy most about AVA...incredible photo gallery.

It is the most incredible resource, go on it every time I buy a gun.
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 7624452 on May 12, 2019, 06:50:06 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hubertus-Air-Pistol-177-cal-works-very-well-1920s/123764208266?hash=item1cd0ebf28a:g:qiUAAOSwfO1cywdU (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hubertus-Air-Pistol-177-cal-works-very-well-1920s/123764208266?hash=item1cd0ebf28a:g:qiUAAOSwfO1cywdU)
 :D
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 45flint on May 12, 2019, 06:57:06 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hubertus-Air-Pistol-177-cal-works-very-well-1920s/123764208266?hash=item1cd0ebf28a:g:qiUAAOSwfO1cywdU (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hubertus-Air-Pistol-177-cal-works-very-well-1920s/123764208266?hash=item1cd0ebf28a:g:qiUAAOSwfO1cywdU)
 :D

Very common pistol but not too common in that good of shape?
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: 45flint on July 01, 2019, 09:55:57 AM
Sold last night, more than I thought it would bring.
(https://i.imgur.com/wbBvh4p.png)
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: triggertreat on July 01, 2019, 10:34:17 AM
WOW!  Talk about the Darkside...
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: eeler1 on July 03, 2019, 01:27:05 AM
"dang", just tossed a couple of those last week, thought they were junk!
Title: Re: All sellers are pushing the limits? Sign of the times.
Post by: lefteyeshot on July 03, 2019, 12:07:51 PM
A guy had a Mendoza on Gun Brokers for $225+ shipping. I've Got several Mendozas, Mendoza/Crosmans and a Mendoza/Hammerli. I know my Mendozas. I emailed and offered him $150 and he pay shipping. No. A year later it was still on Gun Broker for $225.

I paid $300 for a QB6. I'd wanted one for a long time and hadn't seen any for sale for a long time. Couple month later there were three on Gun broker for $100 each. Bought one. Go figure. A few weeks later I paid $25 each for four QB 89's. I still have one. Gave the other 3 to friends.