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Airguns by Make and Model => Feinwerkbau => Topic started by: Royale on March 03, 2019, 02:57:28 PM
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Did a little shooting this morning my 603 jr vs my 300S at 23 yards AA 7.87gr. Swirling gusting winds 9mph tried to shoot between gust but that was impossible. Shot them both off the bench Caldwell rest protektor bags front and rear. The conditions were not good for this kind of shooting comparison but I did my best.
IMHO you just can't compare these guns on the same level, they are two different animals, SSP vs spring piston not fair at all. The 603 is way more refined much easier to shoot NO recoil and better trigger. The 603 is the clear winner for offhand and bench shooting. The 300S is all about that spring piston mechanical action and recoil going on when you pull the trigger, I like it.
I just don't see a clear winner in the accuracy department if you do your part. Bottom line they are both great guns for what I use them for. The big difference in this test was the scopes Bushnell 4200 24X on the 603 and Leupold EFR 9X on the 300S, that kinda was a advantage for the 603.
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Nice rifles Roger. What is the front scope mount on the 603 and where did you get it? I had a 603 for a while but they are challenging to scope. Great rifles both.
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Nice rifles Roger. What is the front scope mount on 5he 603 and did you get it? I had a 603 for a while but they are challenging to scope. Great rifles both.
The scope mounts came with the 603, one reason I bought it. I don't know who made them, wish I did.
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I have a couple 300's and a 601 and agree with Royale on the differences of the rifles. I prefer to shoot my 300's but have to say that when shooting the informal indoor 10M benchrest matches at a local gun club my scores are three to five points higher when shooting the 601.
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Very nice pair of rifles. I would agree the ssp rifles tend to be much more refined and fluid. I enjoy the fine mechanical of the older 300 series rifles but having redone several 60x series rifles, they are just a different level of fun.
Either one you chose, your having a good day.
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I have a couple 300's and a 601 and agree with Royale on the differences of the rifles. I prefer to shoot my 300's but have to say that when shooting the informal indoor 10M benchrest matches at a local gun club my scores are three to five points higher when shooting the 601.
Yep I reach for the 300s more often for plinking, but like you say if I were in competition I'd grab the 603 first.
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Very nice pair of rifles. I would agree the ssp rifles tend to be much more refined and fluid. I enjoy the fine mechanical of the older 300 series rifles but having redone several 60x series rifles, they are just a different level of fun.
Either one you chose, your having a good day.
Great way to put it Nick "different level of fun" that's what it's all about.
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Please keep me in mind if you ever want to part with that 603. Love the look of that stock.
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I have been searching for a left hand 300 for a while. Jim E. just brought a bunch of rifles over from Europe and ended up with a LH 601 a couple weeks ago. He said it was an excellent example and the one he would pick so I bought it. I am glad I did as it looks pretty much like new and wasn't much more money. 300's are really nice though and fun to shoot. Either would do what I want to do which is informal 10M rifle shooting.
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I’ll mention this; one of the guys I shoot with is selling a FWB 603 lefty. He bought it from original owner in hopes his lefty daughter could shoot it. She is small framed and young making the charging effort too much for her. It’s a very nice and a super clean rifle if anyone is interested in it, I’ll put you in contact with him. I believe it’s listed in the American Airguns classified but he’s a good friend and I’ve shot the rifle. Just throwing it out there in case any of you lefty’s are interested.
http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=174608&adSort=&StartingAd=50&NumberOfPages=5 (http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=174608&adSort=&StartingAd=50&NumberOfPages=5)
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Please keep me in mind if you ever want to part with that 603. Love the look of that stock.
Will do Nick, I'm thinking about getting back into PCPs so if I make the jump the 603 might be for sale.
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Please keep me in mind if you ever want to part with that 603. Love the look of that stock.
Will do Nick, I'm thinking about getting back into PCPs so if I make the jump the 603 might be for sale.
The dark side beckons. 8)
-Y
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Hi Guys,
Very nice rifles indeed,
I used to have a fwb300s and let it go while ago which i regret,
currently "hunting" for a fwb300s mini/junior with an aim of turning into a short range sporter to shoot local ground mice which are in plague level in Mongolia at some places eating up pastures.
Can you please tell me how much these cost in the US at the moment lets say for average ones
Regards
Mgl
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Hi Guys,
Very nice rifles indeed,
I used to have a fwb300s and let it go while ago which i regret,
currently "hunting" for a fwb300s mini/junior with an aim of turning into a short range sporter to shoot local ground mice which are in plague level in Mongolia at some places eating up pastures.
Can you please tell me how much these cost in the US at the moment lets say for average ones
Regards
Mgl
Sanka,
For what you want to do with the FWB 300, many other cheaper airguns will do.
A decent FWB 300 would start at around $500 and go from there.
Save your money for a cheaper gun that it is easier to get parts for...sounds like you have a lot of shooting ahead of you. :o
-Y
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Wow!!!! Those are some gorgeous air rifles.
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Very cool!
I have been watching for a bargain on a 60X to go along with my 300S.
Every once in a while you'll find one that starts out "affordable" but the soon get bid out of my budget. I think THAT is what makes me want one even more!
LOL
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Hi Guys,
Very nice rifles indeed,
I used to have a fwb300s and let it go while ago which i regret,
currently "hunting" for a fwb300s mini/junior with an aim of turning into a short range sporter to shoot local ground mice which are in plague level in Mongolia at some places eating up pastures.
Can you please tell me how much these cost in the US at the moment lets say for average ones
Regards
Mgl
Sanka,
For what you want to do with the FWB 300, many other cheaper airguns will do.
A decent FWB 300 would start at around $500 and go from there.
Save your money for a cheaper gun that it is easier to get parts for...sounds like you have a lot of shooting ahead of you. :o
-Y
Hi Yogi,
Thanks for the reply, after posting here i went to AOA web on used section and there was a FWB300 Junior without sights but decent left hand one with scope for 490USD 90% condition. Was thinking about importing but it is gone now. Also i am abandoning the idea now after seeing how expensive they are going to end up to me (100 handling fee from exporter, 150 for shipping and custom tax etc) i decided to stick with my trusty Pro Sport. In fact we went shooting today and it was great fun toppling these little critters as far as 50m in a never ending target rich environment.
It was so much fun, finished a tin of pellet in 4.5mm by the end of the day and this getting quite addictive as well.
Was looking for something which is little light weight but after seeing how 4.5 gets blown away in some situation by the wind even shot from a rifle like PS with vortek kit, and for financial reasons mentioned above, i decided to scrap the whole idea. I imagine fwb300 will not be suitable in the windy situations.
Regards
Sanka
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Hi Guys,
Very nice rifles indeed,
I used to have a fwb300s and let it go while ago which i regret,
currently "hunting" for a fwb300s mini/junior with an aim of turning into a short range sporter to shoot local ground mice which are in plague level in Mongolia at some places eating up pastures.
Can you please tell me how much these cost in the US at the moment lets say for average ones
Regards
Mgl
Sanka,
For what you want to do with the FWB 300, many other cheaper airguns will do.
A decent FWB 300 would start at around $500 and go from there.
Save your money for a cheaper gun that it is easier to get parts for...sounds like you have a lot of shooting ahead of you. :o
-Y
Hi Yogi,
Thanks for the reply, after posting here i went to AOA web on used section and there was a FWB300 Junior without sights but decent left hand one with scope for 490USD 90% condition. Was thinking about importing but it is gone now. Also i am abandoning the idea now after seeing how expensive they are going to end up to me (100 handling fee from exporter, 150 for shipping and custom tax etc) i decided to stick with my trusty Pro Sport. In fact we went shooting today and it was great fun toppling these little critters as far as 50m in a never ending target rich environment.
It was so much fun, finished a tin of pellet in 4.5mm by the end of the day and this getting quite addictive as well.
Was looking for something which is little light weight but after seeing how 4.5 gets blown away in some situation by the wind even shot from a rifle like PS with vortek kit, and for financial reasons mentioned above, i decided to scrap the whole idea. I imagine fwb300 will not be suitable in the windy situations.
Regards
Sanka
Hello Sanka;
I don't where in Mongolia you hunt the mice. But Ulaan Bataar is above 4,000 FASL, so no springer will perform up to OEM specs at that altitude. ANd SSP's are even worse under those conditions.
A little off-topic but, again, considering your conditions, I would get a DIANA Stormrider in 0.22" and install a regulator. Overall, you will spend less than $300, a $40 pump will do for a small air tube like the Stornrider and you will get better performance from a PCP at your altitude than from a springer.
Simple physics.
And there are pellet molds for 0.22" cal pellets, so you can cast your own.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Hi Guys,
Very nice rifles indeed,
I used to have a fwb300s and let it go while ago which i regret,
currently "hunting" for a fwb300s mini/junior with an aim of turning into a short range sporter to shoot local ground mice which are in plague level in Mongolia at some places eating up pastures.
Can you please tell me how much these cost in the US at the moment lets say for average ones
Regards
Mgl
Sanka,
For what you want to do with the FWB 300, many other cheaper airguns will do.
A decent FWB 300 would start at around $500 and go from there.
Save your money for a cheaper gun that it is easier to get parts for...sounds like you have a lot of shooting ahead of you. :o
-Y
Hi Yogi,
Thanks for the reply, after posting here i went to AOA web on used section and there was a FWB300 Junior without sights but decent left hand one with scope for 490USD 90% condition. Was thinking about importing but it is gone now. Also i am abandoning the idea now after seeing how expensive they are going to end up to me (100 handling fee from exporter, 150 for shipping and custom tax etc) i decided to stick with my trusty Pro Sport. In fact we went shooting today and it was great fun toppling these little critters as far as 50m in a never ending target rich environment.
It was so much fun, finished a tin of pellet in 4.5mm by the end of the day and this getting quite addictive as well.
Was looking for something which is little light weight but after seeing how 4.5 gets blown away in some situation by the wind even shot from a rifle like PS with vortek kit, and for financial reasons mentioned above, i decided to scrap the whole idea. I imagine fwb300 will not be suitable in the windy situations.
Regards
Sanka
Hello Sanka;
I don't where in Mongolia you hunt the mice. But Ulaan Bataar is above 4,000 FASL, so no springer will perform up to OEM specs at that altitude. ANd SSP's are even worse under those conditions.
A little off-topic but, again, considering your conditions, I would get a DIANA Stormrider in 0.22" and install a regulator. Overall, you will spend less than $300, a $40 pump will do for a small air tube like the Stornrider and you will get better performance from a PCP at your altitude than from a springer.
Simple physics.
And there are pellet molds for 0.22" cal pellets, so you can cast your own.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
Hi Medina,
Thanks for your advise and suggestion, i am hunting just 40km away from Ulaanbaatar and indeed altitude issue caught us offguard in the beginning when starting air gunning, as FPS' were much lower than what was stated on the internet. Then discovered this by accident stumbling upon one of Tom Gaylords articles. Prosport was generating about 820 ish FPS with 8 grain pellets making it a 12foot pound gun even though it had the full FAC US spec spring in it. Nevertheless we are managing ok. In terms of getting a PCP i am not keen on pump etc like the simplicity that springer gives. Many of my friends use PCP and when they pumping away after 40 shots or so i am still in the field doing business lol.
Regards
Sanka
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Very nice your FWB springer & SSP.
Now all you need is a FWB PCP (800 "Universal"? or "Basic FT"?) to round out your 10M package.
Would be a dream to enjoy a day of shooting all 3.