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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: AHMSA on March 01, 2019, 11:39:13 AM
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Hi Eveyone,
I'm thinking of getting into the darkside. I'm looking for a good quality non-expensive .22 or .25 cal PCP that is left-handed. I'm mostly interested in something that will allow me to shoot the same way a bolt action firearm is fired where I don't have to move the gun off-target as I'm cycling the action to take a follow-up shot.
This gun will be for small game hunting, plinking, and target shooting. Medium game would be nice but not necessary (I have many firearms for that job). I'm looking for something that will be hand-pump friendly. I would like it to be under $400 for the gun and a pump.
The Diana Stormrider which can by switched to left handed by Pyramyd Air for an additional $45 (parts and labor) seems to be a good option and fits well into all my requirements. However, I heard that the action doesn't cycle well in this gun when using the magazine. I'm also afraid that the magazine would fall down when I'm hunting because it's held in place by a magnet. Another concern that I have is the barrel bending because it looks from pictures that the barrel is too far from the air cylinder/reservoir. For those who own this gun, what is your opinion on it? How well does it shoot?
Also, what are my other options that fit into my criteria?
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Sounds like a Gamo Urban would be a good fit for you. I have one and love it. It's extremely accurate, lightweight, and very hand pump friendly. The bolt is also ambidextrous. Walmart has them now for $259.
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I have a gen 1 storm rider. I actually had to chamfer the breech end of my barrel to get the pellets to load correctly. Up until then I had just used the single shot tray and still had a hard time. Now that I did that it shoots with the mags and cycles perfectly with redesigned monsters 25.39 gr JSB's. I get 20 good shots coming in at 30 to 35 fpe and accuracy is pretty good too. If your worried about the barrel flexing they do sell barrel bands at PA for ten bucks. This gun is very pump friendly. I don't own one but the benjamin discovery may be an option to keep in mind too, it's only a single shot but I do believe there are some manufacturers that make multi-shot breeches for it. The gamo urban would probably be a good choice too however I do not own one. There are some refurbished options out there as well just have to keep looking until you find what your looking for. I just got a marauder from field supply back in December for $325 which is an awesome deal. If your budget will allow for just a little more you will get a better gun, at least that's what I have found out so far. Oh yeah another option is that crosman is going to relaunch the fortitude this spring. That would be a little more than 400 for the pump and gun but it may be worth it in the long run. There is a lot of choices out there that's for sure. Have a good time shopping around and keep in mind that once you get the rifle I almost guarantee you'll want to modify it lol.
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Sounds like a Gamo Urban would be a good fit for you. I have one and love it. It's extremely accurate, lightweight, and very hand pump friendly. The bolt is also ambidextrous. Walmart has them now for $259.
Thank you very much for the suggestion. The Urban seems like a very good option as well. The only thing I don't like is the fact that you have to move the bolt downwards instead of upwards when it's switched to the left hand. This seems somewhat awkward.
I'm not sure if the Stormrider is the same way when it's switched to be left-handed.
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I have a gen 1 storm rider. I actually had to chamfer the breech end of my barrel to get the pellets to load correctly. Up until then I had just used the single shot tray and still had a hard time. Now that I did that it shoots with the mags and cycles perfectly with redesigned monsters 25.39 gr JSB's. I get 20 good shots coming in at 30 to 35 fpe and accuracy is pretty good too. If your worried about the barrel flexing they do sell barrel bands at PA for ten bucks. This gun is very pump friendly. I don't own one but the benjamin discovery may be an option to keep in mind too, it's only a single shot but I do believe there are some manufacturers that make multi-shot breeches for it. The gamo urban would probably be a good choice too however I do not own one. There are some refurbished options out there as well just have to keep looking until you find what your looking for. I just got a marauder from field supply back in December for $325 which is an awesome deal. If your budget will allow for just a little more you will get a better gun, at least that's what I have found out so far. Oh yeah another option is that crosman is going to relaunch the fortitude this spring. That would be a little more than 400 for the pump and gun but it may be worth it in the long run. There is a lot of choices out there that's for sure. Have a good time shopping around and keep in mind that once you get the rifle I almost guarantee you'll want to modify it lol.
Thank you for the suggestions, Chris. They all seem like good options but I don't think all of the guns you mentioned can be switched to be a lefty without too much work. I'm very interested in the Fortitude and I really wish the bolt can be moved to the left side.
Was the Stormrider too much work to get it to shoot with the magazine being used? Also does the magazine tend to fall down because it's held in place by a magnet?
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A Crosman Discovery / Maximus is a 2000psi charge and very hand pump friendly.
There are several aftermarket breeches to make it left handed, some are ambidextrous and can be oriented ether way. Check AlchemyAirwerks, Magnum airpower, and Alliancehobby... they all have a version for "southpaws" even if you aren't. ;)
It is an easy swap at home and there are tons of other tid-bits available for future mods.
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A Crosman Discovery / Maximus is a 2000psi charge and very hand pump friendly.
There are several aftermarket breeches to make it left handed, some are ambidextrous and can be oriented ether way. Check AlchemyAirwerks, Magnum airpower, and Alliancehobby... they all have a version for "southpaws" even if you aren't. ;)
It is an easy swap at home and there are tons of other tid-bits available for future mods.
Thank you for the recommendations, Scott. I will take a look at those. There aren't many left-handed bolt action PCP guns right out of the box, are there? I kind of prefer the work to be done by a professional for a couple of reasons: 1. I'm not very handy and tend to break things :D. 2. I don't want to void the warranty for doing something like this.
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This is one place where a Benjamin Marauder still runs up front. If you watch for deals you can buy one new nowadays for $350 or less. The bolt is user switchable to a true left hand in just a few minutes time. They are quiet and have good triggers out of the box. They don't have the best shot count when new, but it is servicable, and $60 and a little work (requiring a chrony) will fix that issue too.
As for the Urban, I have a BSA Scorpion SE which has a nearly identical action. I switched the bolt to the left side for "quasi-left" action. The bolt has a very short throw and holds in place quite well, and I have found that i rather like it.
Yeah, I'm all lefty. ;)
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This is one place where a Benjamin Marauder still runs up front. If you watch for deals you can buy one new nowadays for $350 or less. The bolt is user switchable to a true left hand in just a few minutes time. They are quiet and have good triggers out of the box. They don't have the best shot count when new, but it is servicable, and $60 and a little work (requiring a chrony) will fix that issue too.
As for the Urban, I have a BSA Scorpion SE which has a nearly identical action. I switched the bolt to the left side for "quasi-left" action. The bolt has a very short throw and holds in place quite well, and I have found that i rather like it.
Yeah, I'm all lefty. ;)
Thank you very much Mark. So far those two seem to be the best options for me. I'm a quasi-lefty (right-handed but left-eye-dominant) so I guess I deserve a quasi-left action I guess :D
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And there is the Pump action AT-44
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-at44-qes-pcp-air-rifle-open-sights?m=2779 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-at44-qes-pcp-air-rifle-open-sights?m=2779)
May find a refurb cheaper at Hatsan USA or the like.
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And there is the Pump action AT-44
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-at44-qes-pcp-air-rifle-open-sights?m=2779 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-at44-qes-pcp-air-rifle-open-sights?m=2779)
May find a refurb cheaper at Hatsan USA or the like.
Wow... This is beautiful. Thank you very much James. Does anyone here own this rifles? How good is it?
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+1 marauder :D
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Just my opinion, but I would go with the .25 marauder. Yes it's a little over your budget but you can find deals on them or even a good used one. Mine will shoot cans at 100yrd all day. I have a disco that I started the pcp journey with, lots of mods and money later I grab the marauder more. The marauder is completely stock.
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It didn't take a lot to get the barrel to load the pellets correctly. I remembered watching a you tube video of a guy taking a little Dremel stone to a break barrel air gun barrel and very gently reaming the leade so the pellets would set properly. I just used my fingers for the first part and slowly worked the barrel stopping every so often and tried to push a pellet into it. I did end up putting the bit in my Dremel and on the lowest setting just hit it for a couple seconds. The magazines on the diana do have a little movement when you cycle another pellet in but it seems to be working good now. I would have to agree with some of the other posts about the marauder. Its a great platform and there is a ton of aftermarket mods that can be done to them. I thought about getting an urban but I didn't care for the price of the magazines ,they are rather spendy compared to the marauder. I just purchased a marauder over the holidays in 22 caliber and that's what I've been shooting for the last two months. I'm really impressed with how it shoots being a stock rifle. Of course I have a whole list of upgrades for it! There are a lot of good choices out there. Good luck and happy shootin!
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You mentioned a lefty bolt action...likely you had reasons for that choice.
The levers and pumps are pretty much ambi, and I've no problems with them as hunting rifles. HAve some plus features and some minus, but so far as out in the woods they work as well as any other action.
Aren't very many PCP bolt rifles that are pure lefty ....are some that can be converted easily (like the Marauder), some that can be made lefty with new parts...and some that just can't be reasonably converted.
The cheapest way: The $25 Pyramid Air charges to convert a StormRider is quite reasonable. SPA (Diana) makes the same receiver as a lefty for use in some of thier pistols, so basically they're using an already in production lefty receiver on the righty rifle.
Stock is well shaped for ambi-use, light weight, and I'm pretty happy with mine.
The plus for the Maruauder is that you can convert it to lefty in just a few minutes, no extra money, can often find them at a decent price,and end up with a bit of a chunky rifle that might be better suited for "sit-n'shoot" type playing.
SIDE BAR:
In a perfect world, would have lefty rifles for lefty shootersand righty rifles for tight handed shooters. Ambi-type bolt actions are a compromise (And usually have other features that are not so ambi as the bolt/stock).
I'll give partial credit to the makers that at least allow easy conversion.
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The P'rod with the shoulder stock can be switched to left side bolt, and the short tube should make it easy to pump. As already mentioned the M'rod, and also the 9.7lb AT 44 pump action are pretty chunky rifles.
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Thanks everyone for the recommendations. I'm mostly leaning towards the Stormrider for several reasons:
This is my first PCP and I don't want to spend a lot of money in case I didn't love having to hand-pump or buy a compressor... etc.
It's lightweight so it will be easy to carry around in the woods when hunting.
It seems like an overall accurate rifle based on reviews.
PA will charge me $45 and move the bolt to the left for me. This way I don't have to void the warranty.
The gun is powerful enough for hunting, accurate enough for plinking or target shooting, and quite enough for indoor shooting.
The drawbacks:
Sometimes it doesn't cycle well. Hopefully with the 10-for-10 service any issues will be discovered. If not, I can always send it pack to PA if there is an issue with the gun.
The barrel might not be strong enough to be free-floated. A $10 barrel band will take care of this problem. I heard it's just three screws to install barrel band so no big deal.
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Thinking about left handedness in a righthanded airgun world.
Wife (a lefty) does sometimes share a shooting session with me. She'sadapted quite well to many "righty" airguns,but does prefer one actually "lefty" frindly.
I've also loaded (loder term) airguns to other lefty shooters and goeetn their feed back.
As a whole, think lefties have been so use to adapting to a right hqand world they don't really mean woman about the right handedness of airguns...until they try one that if lefty friendly.
These are the ones I have that get the least complaints from the lefty shooters AND the least work from me.
The truely ambi repeater PCP guns...both in stocking and in atucal operation. Very much "universal" type rifles, doesn't really matter if you are a lefty or a righty.
But both are non-bolt actions.
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Could make either of these a lefty for someone's long term use. Would have to take one (the P-Rod) 1/4 apart top swap the bolt,or the other 1/3 apart to sweap the breech).
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(IF I had one, the Maurader would be right with them...I've just avoided that rifle from the get-go for other reasons.)
IF you are NOT into power, more into target-type velocity .177's, these two straight-pull "T" handle rifles seem to make lefties happy. Low power, different power sources (but both "Dark Side" power sources). Can ramp-up the PCP version on top...it's better served not to).
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This last two are half-arsed. Get a lot of complaintsw from lefty folks about the stocking issues (not ambi-style stocking). The odd looking "tab" that serves as a biolt opeing device on these two BAM's (and the old-old Huntsaman they were based on) isn't too left hand unfrriendly, but the righty-stocking (cheek piece) is.
Dosn't seem to bother lefties that the rotation of that bolt end tab is "odd"...seems like they accept that rather than a bolt sitcking "up" when locked a lot better (iof it werenot for the stocking).
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As a "righty", the last 40 years of shooting with a "lefty" wife is ALMSOT all about all I know about shooting with a "lefty" wife.
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Left-handed-she-who-must-be-obayed" did take over one single shot at first shoot.first look. Am thinking for single shot use, it really didn't matter what the rate of fire was.
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Calined this one has "HERS" and I won't shoot it without her premission (or at least her safely out of the house and not likely to find out)...also think it has a look that women like (a very sexist attitude...but it is kind of "Italian Sportcar" cute. May be that loading the chamber and cocking the riflke are two seperate effots (and cocking in ambi as is the stock) and that there are no time limits...but am thinking it's more about the look than the action.
SIDE BAR:
LESS excuse for airguns not to be; unlike firearms, there is no hot ejected case to smack a lefty in the face.
Following has been posted many times...and I didn't get him this rifle until the very end (was over 90 at the time), so his favorite shooting was a version of mini-sniping out to about 40 yards.
Found and old shooting buddy a RWS75 lefty... EVERTYING was lefty, it was like a mirror image in all respects inside and out (and they had to have lost $$ making these rifles that way).
OF course, I had to get a "righty" for myself.
By swapping between the two, found out just how bad a lefty in a righty-world feelks.
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His immediate comment was , "S**t...I darn near waited too long."
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This is a beautiful collection you have there. I have many right-handed firearms and I have learned to adapt well. However, I enjoy the my left-handed bolt action firearm a whole lot because it allows me to cycle the action while the gun is still shouldered and without loosing the site picture. I would like to be able to do the same thing with an airgun.
So the next question is: If I do get the Stormrider, what else do I need to buy? I'm thinking of getting this pump:
https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-Pressure-4500psi-3-Silicone-Included/dp/B075CJN52L/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=hpa+pump&qid=1551578882&s=gateway&sr=8-7 (https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-Pressure-4500psi-3-Silicone-Included/dp/B075CJN52L/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=hpa+pump&qid=1551578882&s=gateway&sr=8-7)
Will this fit and work on the Stormrider out of the box? Or do I need anything else to start shooting?
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??? one more question, are you right or left eye dominant ?
This can be the final determination of the perfect shooting platform.
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??? one more question, are you right or left eye dominant ?
This can be the final determination of the perfect shooting platform.
I'm actually right handed but left eye dominant. :)
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Guess I'm lucky I can shoot right or left handed, though my right hand is the better shot. I own a set of LH hatsan grips I can swap out on my AT style Hatsans ;)
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Bought the same pump about a year ago (might only be 10months now that I think about it), tested it, and sent it off to a nephew. Have another pretty much like it (except painted black) which was about the same price that I've been using for a couple of years. No problem, I have filled all the PCP with those pumps, but being old and lazy now, will fill the larger PCP's with a compressor...but I still use the pumps on the smaller volume PCP's (just easier/faster to grab the pump than get the compressor set up).
Thought more about this, and past shooting, realize that airgunners can live with "wrong handed" rifles a lot easier than firearm shooters. Might be a bit unconfortable, but an airgun isn't going to try and beat you to death with recoil.
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I bought a Marauder figuring I would switch to left hand bolt since I am right handed but left eye dominate. Now this is just me but I will be putting that off for a while because the bolt cocking action on the Marauder is nothing like the action on a powder burner. While I am sure I could stay on target working the bolt and chambering another pellet I am sure I could not do it when cocking it. The bolt stops after moving with almost no effort and then has to be pulled with force to cock the gun and there is where the problem lies. If you don't pull it back far enough you will have a pellet in the chamber but the gun wont fire. Then you have to remove the magazine and cock it or you will end up with two pellets in the chamber. I am sure this is because I am new to PCP's but I just wanted to point this out. By the way, being left eye dominate and right handed I do a lot of shooting bolt actions that don't produce heavy recoil by shooting right handed and using the left eye. To do this you have to have a stock that doesn't interfere with your cheek placement which is one of the reasons I bought the Marauder instead of the Stormrider. If you decide in a Benjamin or Crosman rifle be sure to use code AGNATION if buying directly from Crosman and buy on a Friday for free shipping. I bought one a while back and saver $135 which took it down to $405 with free shipping. I do have to admit that the weight of the Stormrider was very appealing but after reading reviews on both and the fact the Stormrider had poi changes without the barre band I knew the Marauder would be my first PCP.
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Same here, left eye dominant. And all excellent points above. Especially cocking force. Ive become so use to working the bolt with my right hand, that my daystate lefty feels odd to operate. I much more prefer keeping my hand in the trigger area and cock the gun with my right hand, than fumble with the bolt and get my finger back on the trigger for a follow-up shot. But everyone is different.
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It really depends on the use too. If shooting single shot events like field target, there is no advantage to left hand bolt since you reset after every shot anyway. Benchrest, right hand bolt is a nice advantage for a lefty. But when I'm hunting and need that second shot is where a true lefty bolt is really nice.
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This might get your attention, from Mobilemail in the bargain gate
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155525.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155525.0)
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Thanks for the information and recommendation everyone. I didn't realize that moving the bolt on a PCP is hard enough to take you off-target. The Marauder is very appealing at the price Sportsman's Guide has it right now but I have a few concerns with this gun. Namely the weight and how hand-pump friendly it is.
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Lot of folks do hand pump the 215cc Maruarder air tube. While I don't have a Marauder, would hand pump even bigger air tubes,so I know it can be done.
Up to you how "frendly" that may be. It's not real friendly when you are in a hurry and the air volume of the gun is large.
Nommally the sweet spot (best velocity varation) would be over about 1000psi. Might be 2800-1800psi (or something close to that),so in nomral use, will be stopping at about 1800psi and adding in 1000psi up to 2800psi.
My normal system is WAY SLOW (but I'm patient) and my pumps last a long time between rebuilds and I';ve not had any moisture problems.
1. Hook up and pump 50-60 slow pumps (about 2 seconds per pump).
2. Bleed the pump,disonnect, and walk away for a few (5) min...go check the mail/have a cup of coffee/or roughhouse with the dog.
3. go though #1 and #2 as many times as you need to in order to get the tank filled.
(what seems to happen is that the pump never gets too hot, so the seals last a long time...and the bleeding every 50-60 pumps blos out the collect moisture in the pump.)
Once I hit 65, I did buy a compressor...my 5'10" 160 pounds was just not looking forward to pump-filling big tubes. But for all the years when I was feeling more "frisky", it was just a matter of time...can't be a good happy pump filler if you are in a rush.
I still pump fill the little volume PCP's (like 105cc'sor less) as I can get it done in one 50-60 pump session.
Pump filling also kept me to the idea of efficency....which does NOT have to mean low power. Just want the best value for the energy put in (pumping) for the energy gotten out.
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I hand pump my marauder, from 2000psi to 2800 psi, which is the sweet spot for me, only takes around 65 pumps or so
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Thanks everyone for the great suggestions. I decided to go with the Stormrider because it fits well into what I'm looking for. Now into the next question: what do I need to start shooting the Stormrider?
I'm planning on getting this hand pump:
https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-Pressure-4500psi-3-Silicone-Included/dp/B075CJN52L/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=hpa+pump&qid=1551578882&s=gateway&sr=8-7 (https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-Pressure-4500psi-3-Silicone-Included/dp/B075CJN52L/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=hpa+pump&qid=1551578882&s=gateway&sr=8-7)
Is there anything else I need to get?
p.s. This is my first PCP and I'm really excited to try what they are all about. I can't wait for it to arrive :D
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Thanks everyone for the great suggestions. I decided to go with the Stormrider because it fits well into what I'm looking for. Now into the next question: what do I need to start shooting the Stormrider?
I'm planning on getting this hand pump:
https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-Pressure-4500psi-3-Silicone-Included/dp/B075CJN52L/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=hpa+pump&qid=1551578882&s=gateway&sr=8-7 (https://www.amazon.com/Yosoo-Pressure-4500psi-3-Silicone-Included/dp/B075CJN52L/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=hpa+pump&qid=1551578882&s=gateway&sr=8-7)
Is there anything else I need to get?
p.s. This is my first PCP and I'm really excited to try what they are all about. I can't wait for it to arrive :D
FYI, the one I ordered is the Gen 2 and I added the 10-for-10 service from PA.
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Keeping with the light weight advantage the Stormrider has over heftier rifles I put the UTG 3-12 Bugbuster @ 13 oz.
Light in the hands, gets top heavy fast with larger scopes.
A couple of Orings for a B-stadley hammer mod did wonders for number of shots on one fill. If your pumping by hand, it's a must.
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What size O-rings and you just slip them over the valve stem/poppet right? More shots is a good thing.
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Keeping with the light weight advantage the Stormrider has over heftier rifles I put the UTG 3-12 Bugbuster @ 13 oz.
Light in the hands, gets top heavy fast with larger scopes.
A couple of Orings for a B-stadley hammer mod did wonders for number of shots on one fill. If your pumping by hand, it's a must.
Thank you very much. I'm trying to figure out what is needed to fill the gun. Do I need a quick disconnect or will the fill probe that comes with the rifle work with the hand pump directly? Any oil?... etc. Where can I learn about filling and maintaining the rifle?
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Your choice in first PCP and hand pump looks sound.
PA says "You're hooked up, no adapter needed" to a hand pump with a female Foster quick connect.
NO OIL... OK... maybe silicone for later, but it should not be needed until you tear it down. Even then, no petroleum based oils. It would combust (diesel) under PCP pressures.
You need...
Pellets, a variety... and then shoot / pump to your hearts extent.
That's the beauty of PCP/HPA
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Do think that's a good choice, based on my experiences with a .177. USe the same pump ( like exsactly the same ad) and haven't had any problems with it.
Will have a female foster fitting on the pump hose...the rifle will come with a probe that has a male foster fitting machined into it...so there shouldn't be anything "extra" to buy to get it filled.
And that little air volume will fill pretty quickly. Won't get a whole lot of shots per fill, but it will be easy to pump-fill between sessions.
In exchange for those concessions, you'll get an adult sized wood rifle stock that comes in at about 1 or two ounces LESS than 6 pounds as shown (would guess the .22 would be a bit lighter than this .177 due to the larger hole though the same outside diameter barrel).
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Not sure you got the whole idea of a PCP..although think you do,not sure.
Will not be a large range of pressure where it shoots great. Likely somthing more like 800-1000psi of pressure, so maybe something like 2800-1800(or 2200to 1300...or whatever). So you will NOT be refilling the whole 3K pressure....just filling it to the top of the "best"spot and refilling at the bottom of that best spot.
As fore more shots being better...likely less power. Can adjust them for more shots (several ways) but basically the total energy per fill up stays close to the same (there are ways to improve that...but if those mods are done, they'll work in the same proportion).
So maybe you could get 18-19 good shots at 25 foot pounds.
So that's like 37shots at 12(ish) foot pounds.
Or 14-15 shots at 30 foot pounds.
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My Stormrider .177 stock set up was way to hot for me, over 1075 FPS with 7.9 gr. and steep fps downward trend (Magenta line on chart)
3 Orings (2 thinned with sandpaper) brought it into great shape for my use, 45 shots averaging 11 FPE and 829 FPS with HN Terminator, which grouped the best sub 5% ES. (yellow line)
Groups at 25 yards were really poor, like over 2 1/2 inches. The crown was ragged and rifling damaged about 3/16" in. Turned the barrel and recrowned and polished while it was apart. 5 shot groups immediately hit 1/4" at 25 yards.
Really happy with it now. Take your time with it.
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Thank you very much for the info. I can't wait for the gun to arrive. It has not shipped yet.
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In .22, don't think you'll have the velocity problems .177 shooters have had.
My .177 was also fast...so I just DID NOTHING and avoided the liter weight pellets and tried heavier and heavier pellets. 10.3's and 10.6's worked well, anything much lighter strated showing 4 digit velocity numbers (1000fps and over) and accuracy wasn't very good at all. The 10.3's stayed in the 900's area. Everything up to the 16.2gr. JSB's shot well (and those were still going something in the 770 fps area).
WARNING: I had no clue to the real air voilume of the air tube....my best measure ranclose to 93cc's,but I've seen everything from 90 to 105cc'sclaimed by other owners.Still don't know what's "right"(other than it's quite smallfor a rifle) but curently use 100cc'sfor estimates....which is likly a little large,so the efficiency numbers might be a bit better than shown.)
First set of shot strings..after giving up on the lite-weights... in out-the-box tune:
(https://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/plink/bdbee2a6-4a28-4f2a-b291-483a315bb266.jpg) (https://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/plink/bdbee2a6-4a28-4f2a-b291-483a315bb266.jpg.html)
Played a several times with the spring tension/striker weight(slightly)/ and the transfer port (also slightly).
Last I had it over a chrongraph was last October:
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/plink/3e91cadc-2495-4057-8d21-371002394913.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/plink/3e91cadc-2495-4057-8d21-371002394913.jpg.html)
Now really...consider the 9 shot mags....the original tune would have given two mags worth of shots for any serious use (pesting or smallgame). The adjusted tune would give 2 2/3 mags.
MAybe a little more self-control than I have to stop at 2/3 of a magazine in the heat of battle.
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Ahmsa,
There's a used, left handed, .22, Air Arms S410 XTRA FAC at Airguns of Arizona for $495:
https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/usedguns.html/air-arms-s410-xtra-fac-.22-left-handed-used/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/usedguns.html/air-arms-s410-xtra-fac-.22-left-handed-used/)
Taso
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^ First time I ever wished I was a southpaw....
That is a heckuva deal.
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I called them about it when I saw the post. For any lefties considering it, here are some extra details:
The barrel is shrouded with a very thin shroud that isn't known for a great deal of suppression. You would likely want to add a moderator, and the barrel isn't threaded.
It is a beech stock, not walnut.
This is an early model, so no power adjustment wheel.
With all that said, I don't know of anywhere you can get a 400 series rifle in the US, PA certainly doesn't have them on their website. And since AA only sells the right hand side lever, the 400 series is the only chance for a leftie to get a full leftie gun. You don't see many of these.
And since this is an early model S410, there is always the chance that the seals aren't quite as like new as the exterior appearance.
I wasn't ready to buy when I talked to AA on the phone, so the rifle is still available.