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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Boolit and Pellet Casting => Topic started by: rsterne on February 08, 2019, 12:55:53 PM
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We are trying to get NOE to re-run the 30 gr. BBT in .22 cal....
(http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/N.O.E._Bullet_Moulds_217-30-FN_BT_BJ5_Cust.Jpg)
Please post your interest in the thread below to speed thing along....
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2754.0.html (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2754.0.html)
If you want the larger 0.220/0.222" diameter, please state that, otherwise say you want the smaller 0.217/0.219" size....
Bob
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Yeah Bob more than once I've had people request to buy some of these from me, I really like these little slugs and I'd like to get a mold in HP, preferably a brass one if Swede can swing it. They're a fantastic slug IMO. When they had the sale on them last year the HP molds were gone on the 4th of July sale and I got the 5 cavity in aluminum. What a breeze it is to cast these little buggers 8)
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I am going to try and convince Al to run the new smaller Meplat RG moulds, so that every cavity is a hollowpoint…. It will help if the guys post that they want that at the link above, of course....
Bob
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That would even be better yet then I wouldn't have to separate them after casting either, running slugs like that is a no brainer compared to the pellet molds.
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If Al is willing to make a 4 cavity in HP ,I’ll buy another mold . Love these little suckers , even my Benji 392 puts them where I’m aiming .
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Yes ! I will post that I want a 4 cavity AL 0.217 HP . I have the FN that I bought because they were out of HP, but heard great things about these and had to try them, now want more ;D
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Thanks Bob
Bob would these pellets .217" (HP) work in a 79 @ 800-850+ fps OEM type air rifle?
Since, I am sadly lacking in info and experience on these pellets/slugs etc.
Thank you,
Don
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If you have the power to push a 30 gr. pellet at 800+ fps, then they should work great.... They are intended to be able to load without requiring a longer chamber.... Wayne is the expert on these.... 8)
Bob
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If Al is willing to make a 4 cavity in HP ,I’ll buy another mold . Love these little suckers , even my Benji 392 puts them where I’m aiming .
That’s what I was looking for.
What size mold for 392? Steroided?
Thank you.
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If Al is willing to make a 4 cavity in HP ,I’ll buy another mold . Love these little suckers , even my Benji 392 puts them where I’m aiming .
I’m using the bigger of the two molds .220/222 in my 392.
That’s what I was looking for.
What size mold for 392? Steroided?
Thank you.
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If Al is willing to make a 4 cavity in HP ,I’ll buy another mold . Love these little suckers , even my Benji 392 puts them where I’m aiming .
I’m using the bigger of the two molds .220/222 in my 392.
That’s what I was looking for.
What size mold for 392? Steroided?
Thank you.
Are they especially difficult to chamber? The steroid 392 has a really thin probe I would worry about bending. Thank you.
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Sam they chamber in all my stock .22 rifles and pistols good, they honestly shoot well in all of them too but like Bob said they really need to be used in something that you can get your full potential out of them. I use them in my SPA M16 with awesome results at long distances, they're really flat shooters traveling at 900fps or better.
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Wayne,
I agree about having enough power. I just would like to get into casting and figure this seems as good a round as any.
I’m usually at work or church or doing little kid centered activities, I have nowhere to stretch out past 30yards, so absolute trajectory/accuracy isn’t as important. Just would like to try.
What size do you have that you say chambers well? Thank you.
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I have also cast these .22 30gn. BBT in tin @ 19.4 gr. and shot then with good results out of a Benjamin .22 NP. Ragged hole @ 15 yards.
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Wayne,
I agree about having enough power. I just would like to get into casting and figure this seems as good a round as any.
I’m usually at work or church or doing little kid centered activities, I have nowhere to stretch out past 30yards, so absolute trajectory/accuracy isn’t as important. Just would like to try.
What size do you have that you say chambers well? Thank you.
I just took two shots with them using my latest gun, it's the first time that I shot them out of this gun, it's probably a 50 year old gun put out by Sears and made by Crosman.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4885/46117722325_85701d62f5_b.jpg)
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Wayne,
I agree about having enough power. I just would like to get into casting and figure this seems as good a round as any.
I’m usually at work or church or doing little kid centered activities, I have nowhere to stretch out past 30yards, so absolute trajectory/accuracy isn’t as important. Just would like to try.
What size do you have that you say chambers well? Thank you.
I just took two shots with them using my latest gun, it's the first time that I shot them out of this gun, it's probably a 50 year old gun put out by Sears and made by Crosman.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4885/46117722325_85701d62f5_b.jpg)
Huh. I’ve shot EJs out of a 1322. It’s funny feeling a slight impulse of recoil from such a low powered pistol. Pretty accurate though.
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I have also cast these .22 30gn. BBT in tin @ 19.4 gr. and shot then with good results out of a Benjamin .22 NP. Ragged hole @ 15 yards.
I really should try tin sometime, that would be fun shooting light slugs from the lower powered guns, the ones I just posted wer on hi then low power. On the high power I noticed considerable muzzle flip from that heavy 30 grain, it's an experience in itself shooting them from a gun like this.
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I think I might put one across the Chrony just out of curiosity because I haven't shot this gun over the Chrony yet, I'll post my results.
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I think I might put one across the Chrony just out of curiosity because I haven't shot this gun over the Chrony yet, I'll post my results.
Are these .222 or .219? Can I buy like 10 from you (or anyone) to check them out? Thank you.
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Sam they're from the 217-30-RF mold, there's dimensions of the mold at the NOE sight, Bob is the one who has all the dimensions, his drawings show everything.
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I just put a couple shots over the Chrony the first was with the 30 grain BBT's and the second was with the .22 Hunters @ 19.6 grain. Shot 1 hi power on that pistol for the 30 grain was 301.6@6.06fpe and shot two was with the 19.6 grain pellet was 404.4fps@7.1fpe.
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Sam, the form tool is made small enough to manufacture the 0.217/0.219" diameter.... NOE interpolate (spiral) it out to cut the larger 0.220/0.222" size.... The back of the nose is 0.002" smaller than the drive band, for easier loading.... Some barrels are larger, which is why I suggested NOE make both sizes available....
Bob
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I just put a couple shots over the Chrony the first was with the 30 grain BBT's and the second was with the .22 Hunters @ 19.6 grain. Shot 1 hi power on that pistol for the 30 grain was 301.6@6.06fpe and shot two was with the 19.6 grain pellet was 404.4fps@7.1fpe.
That’s good. So close to pellet FPE that it’s sealing well even without a skirt.
The best of both worlds.
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Sam, the form tool is made small enough to manufacture the 0.217/0.219" diameter.... NOE interpolate (spiral) it out to cut the larger 0.220/0.222" size.... The back of the nose is 0.002" smaller than the drive band, for easier loading.... Some barrels are larger, which is why I suggested NOE make both sizes available....
Bob
Got it. Thank you.
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I just put a couple shots over the Chrony the first was with the 30 grain BBT's and the second was with the .22 Hunters @ 19.6 grain. Shot 1 hi power on that pistol for the 30 grain was 301.6@6.06fpe and shot two was with the 19.6 grain pellet was 404.4fps@7.1fpe.
That’s good. So close to pellet FPE that it’s sealing well even without a skirt.
The best of both worlds.
Sam that's one thing I noticed about these slugs when I first started shooting them was how well they sealed in my SPAM16, velocity of them was right up there with what I had my gun tuned for which were JSB25.39's. It was a real pleasant surprise to say the least. Ever since then I've wondered just how good the HP's would shoot because Bob recommend the HP back then.
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We are trying to get NOE to re-run the 30 gr. BBT in .22 cal....
(http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/N.O.E._Bullet_Moulds_217-30-FN_BT_BJ5_Cust.Jpg)
Please post your interest in the thread below to speed thing along....
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2754.0.html (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2754.0.html)
If you want the larger 0.220/0.222" diameter, please state that, otherwise say you want the smaller 0.217/0.219" size....
Bob
Do we need more post in the link you provided Bob ?
I know it may seem to be a pain to register to post, but well worth it IMO, these are awesome bullets !!!
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More posts are always better.... Inventory runs need a MINIMUM of 5 guys.... more interest will move them up in priority of course.... and getting Al to make all the cavities in HP using the RG mould system would require new tooling or setup, so it wouldn't hurt to have at least 10 guys that want them....
Bob
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Was just trying to give this a little bump as I am very interested in this bullet. Hopefully we can get this going in the hollow point. Looks to be a great squirrel round, my season is done until May so I have some time.
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I'll help ya out on that bump Luke !!! If NOE had an HP mould I'd order one right now.
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Thanks Wayne, I just got a pp700sa and have the Huma on the way. This mold is the last piece of the puzzle. Well maybe something to quiet the bark. Going to be a fun squirrel season!
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Thanks Wayne, I just got a pp700sa and have the Huma on the way. This mold is the last piece of the puzzle. Well maybe something to quiet the bark. Going to be a fun squirrel season!
I’m getting nickel size groups with the FP version from my PP700SA at 10 yards free hand . I have the bigger of the two molds . The leade will need to be worked over to chamber them . Would have been much easier with a chamber reamer but got it done with a skewer and Emory cloth .
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Oh right on! I have that mold and since I’ve been doing this pressure pouring am getting great results. They seem to drop right in my pistol. I am shooting them at ten yards in my basement with very good looking groups. Just wanted to up the knockout punch of this short range gun. Mine was purchased from a Canadian supplier and is still set at six foot pounds.
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Oh right on! I have that mold and since I’ve been doing this pressure pouring am getting great results. They seem to drop right in my pistol. I am shooting them at ten yards in my basement with very good looking groups. Just wanted to up the knockout punch of this short range gun. Mine was purchased from a Canadian supplier and is still set at six foot pounds.
If it wasn’t for Canadian restrictions , I’d have this thing wound out at max . Full porting ,reg at 120 bar and full hammer .
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I am just waiting for the Huma regulator and that is my intention. That’s why am looking forward to getting this mold. I figured it would be the perfect round for this ultra light pistol. Fingers crossed!
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Looks like this one just about came to a screeching halt . Bumping the thread to hopefully get some more interest . I’m really hoping Al will get the tooling for the RG HP pins worked out for this one .
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Hope that some of the people who took part in the Hatsan closeout sale will want to get more down range power and accuracy, these really make my hatsans shine, also work super in my 40 FPE Sentry ;)
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I thought I would give a bump also... I have both the .217 and the .220 version...It is an awesome little round...
The .220/.222 30g BBT dropped a touch small with a hot mold and pour but fit my disco barreled pumper very well... and even trundling along at ~550 fps best group was .5" worst was an inch at 40 yards...that is side rested not benched...same rifle is ~.75" with light JSB and CPUM 14.3 at 40 yards...
The .217/.219 30g BBT do very well out of my Gamo Urban at ~620 fps and my BSA Buccaneer at ~670 fps... .6 ish at 40 yards so far... again side rested... as cast and just a visual inspection...with very limited testing... I believe with the right lube weight sorting and benched MOA is very possible... Now that it is warming up will be doing more testing and will test at further distance... also will check out if sizing will reduce group size... These are barrels without a lot of shots thru them... I believe a mild fire lap and use will improve them because in my powder burner experience that usually is the case...
Just picked up an AT44 long and have to wait for tomorrow for it's fill probe adapter to get here... but it did show up with a full fill...
Sent some of the .217 30g BBT(just a visual inspection) and some JSB 18g... Both did about an inch(5 shot group) with same vertical poi but were about 5 inches apart horizontally... I looked and the barrel band was hard up against the barrel on one side... may have even pushed the barrel a touch to the side... causing harmonic probs... have the feeling they both will do much better... The JSB 18g were at ~1003fps (40.44 fpe) and the 30g BBT ~795 fps( 42.11 fpe)...
Point is I think this round is about the best out there for .22 air rifles and has been proven to work well in a good variety of rifles... from a Benji 392 to a Jkahn... as low as 18 fpe up to about 60 fpe so far(less out of pistols at short range)... nothing is ever guaranteed but these are a very good bet IMO...
so for those looking to start casting well this is a very good round to start with...
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I am waiting for the HP version in the .217 diameter.
Don
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Still no word on the hollow point molds? It's getting mighty close to squirrel season here, was hoping to have my mold by now :-[ !Oh well still have the magnums dropping at 23.5 grains. shooting as good as I can with my hw44 pistol.
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Just went to NOE and low and behold they had a few 5 cavity 30 grain hollow point molds! Guess who has one coming.... ;)
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Luke I just ordered one too, I'm glad they made them in brass, I much more prefer the brass mold myself, this should be a really interesting mold, first of it's kind :D
Wow there's only one left now and it won't last long.
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Note.... The HP is only in one cavity, using a Lyman style pin.... That is in the description....
Bob
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I noticed that too Bob but I don't have an HP mold and figured I'd get one because I think if Al was going to make them like what you described earlier in the thread I figured he would have made them that way.
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That's OK one hp is better than none! My Texan carbine shoots the lyman hp, so I have experience with this pin type. Now I will need to invest in a riffle to shoot the field points.....lol. Will need more power than a pistol! Thanks for the heads up though.
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The moulds I am hoping Al will make, with all HPs, will be 2 or 4 cavity, and bear the designation RG2 or RG4 in the description....
Bob
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I am still hoping to get it in .220/.222 with rg pins... wonder if he could interpolate all the way to .222/.224..?
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You guys feel free to post lots of cool pictures or even videos of those slugs. I'm sure myself and many others would love to drool over them. :)
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I'll probably end up selling the 5 cavity mold I originally bought, it's actually in perfect shape but I won't be selling it until I get my other mold from NOE. It's aluminum though but seems to work fantastic.
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Kirby, I'm sure they could do that, but convincing Al to during production as a custom item would be what is required....
Bob
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I think that's all Al ran of the 217-30-FN was the 4 cavity brass with the hollow point, I see that there is still one left yet.
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And now there are none :D I got the last .217 hp, I see there are a few .250 in various styles left, I'm good on all cal. and style in both cal. now 8)
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I wonder how many of these they made this time around, when I got mine there were still 4 left after I got mine.
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I'm goint to get the .22 wadcutter when they make them.
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I missed out again but I'm still waiting for the 217-20 to get back in stock and I'm pretty well set on 25's and 30's.
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I'd like to get me a 30 cal some day but for right now I'm pretty happy with my .25's and .22's. I was pretty happy to hear that my .25's tested excellent from an FX recently and I honestly was kind of worried because I did a terrible sorting of them with very few rejects going by weight only. I really like doing a good visual inspection of them with my visor's but I was in a hurry to package them up and ship them to the testing individual. 8)
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I received my 217-30-FN hollowpoint mold in the mail today, I'll probably cast some up later today or early tomorrow ???
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I will try and cast some with my new 5 cavity with HP pin in on cavity, ans see how the cast and shoot, if I like I will be putting my .217 AL 2 cavity FN mold on the market.