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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: GreyBeard1851 on December 18, 2018, 08:03:19 PM
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In the darkside Gate?..Or did I just dream this?
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Robert= If your asking about JSA's mystery gun, i was wondering about that too. I guess there just having too much fun playing with their new air speeds. Wish i had the funds as i've always wanted a semi auto.
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Nice products take time to build/design.
Whatever it is I’m sure it will be worth the wait.
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It sure has been “teased” for awhile now.
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Hang in there were almost ready to revel it and it should also be on display at the Las Vegas shot show this January. Have to get a few Ducks in a row first.
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Travis= They say patience is a virtue!! I hope so.
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OldPro.. ;) = Teasing Rabid Airgunners Via Internet Site.. ;)
keep up the good work Trav. ;) 8)
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OldPro.. ;) = Teasing Rabid Airgunners Via Internet Site.. ;)
keep up the good work Trav. ;) 8)
thats a good one Kirby!!! LOl
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Kirby= Couldn't be any funnier!!
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OldPro.. ;) = Teasing Rabid Airgunners Via Internet Site.. ;)
keep up the good work Trav. ;) 8)
Hahaha That’s great 😄😂🤣
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All I got to say, is Travis is one cool dude! VERY good customer support, and a real person, not some conglomerate organization. Always answered my phone calls and emails. A++++++++ ;)
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COULD become the next greatest thing "ever"...could be a phart in the wind...never know which. Sometimes it's announced and never happens...sometimesit's just to promote interrest...sometimes it does happen, just later than the "optimisticestimates"....and sometimes they realize that the creation is 1.5X the cost of somthing that is nearly identical.
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No it’s happening for sure we’re working with vendors to get the best price possible. When making something like this that we feel will be huge in the market place you have to be ready Incase it blows up huge so your not caught off guard. We’re working with and established air rifle vendor to make this happen and to get quantities and the price needed to compete in the market place.
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Thanks for Bouncing the idea off the airtun-additcted (which would be pretty much every one on line on these forums)….could have announced it as a "done deal...click the button to order"...but rather than do that, went with the "Crosman Marketing Model" of announcing something worth waiting for, and then extend the waiting time.
Tell you what...even if it is the greatest airgun from Lewis and Clark to now....not going to buy it.
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Thanks for Bouncing the idea off the airtun-additcted (which would be pretty much every one on line on these forums)….could have announced it as a "done deal...click the button to order"...but rather than do that, went with the "Crosman Marketing Model" of announcing something worth waiting for, and then extend the waiting time.
Tell you what...even if it is the greatest airgun from Lewis and Clark to now....not going to buy it.
I never stated when it would be available to my knowledge and not sure why your so sideways about it.................People waited a year for the Gauntlet I think a few months is normal.
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I’ll buy one.
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There is a old product development adage:
Quality, Schedule, Budget...…. pick two.
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Maybe they picked the wrong two.
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Maybe they picked the wrong two.
who picked the wrong two Im lost?
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There is a old product development adage:
Quality, Schedule, Budget...…. pick two.
Nice to see you found your way out of the work shed! Been awhile Lloyd.
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I’ll buy one.
Thank you Jacob I appreciate that.
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Maybe they picked the wrong two.
Ribb's, why such a Grinch just before Christmas, Someone tell you that your stocking is gonna bee stuffed with coal and Dog Poo? ;D
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To the negative commentators please refrain from going to attack mode, The rifle is in development and nobody asked for preorder money
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Call 'em as I see 'em.
Would be one thing to announce the creation and be available come spring....if they got it together by mid-winter, would be thrilled that it got together early.
Another thing to put out a "teaser" early, then a long long wait until it became availiable.
In the first situation, they are being honest...in the second, it's using the "airgun nuts' as test-marketing.
So as I see it (calling it the way I see it)….if it's a worth the advanced announcement, it has to be worth the wait....and will stand the test of time, and I'll pick one up later rather than sooner. If it doesn't last until "later", then it didn't really deserve the pre-hype.
Yeah....that is kind of negative....but name 5 PCP rifles that are the SAME now as they were in 2008....there are some...and likely they are still the same because they filled a need then and now.
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Call 'em as I see 'em.
Would be one thing to announce the creation and be available come spring....if they got it together by mid-winter, would be thrilled that it got together early.
Another thing to put out a "teaser" early, then a long long wait until it became availiable.
In the first situation, they are being honest...in the second, it's using the "airgun nuts' as test-marketing.
So as I see it (calling it the way I see it)….if it's a worth the advanced announcement, it has to be worth the wait....and will stand the test of time, and I'll pick one up later rather than sooner. If it doesn't last until "later", then it didn't really deserve the pre-hype.
Yeah....that is kind of negative....but name 5 PCP rifles that are the SAME now as they were in 2008....there are some...and likely they are still the same because they filled a need then and now.
Once again I never stated when it would be available but it has been done for awhile now and nothing is going to change were just working out production numbers and getting our vendors together. Im a little bit upset your taking this road but hey its your opinion so it is what it is. Your wording makes it sound like im doing something out of the norm and unscrupulous, My opinion.
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I believe some members, I will count myself as one, are just plain weary of pronounces, teases, pre-orders, and the like. It gives one a jaded edge to the proclamations regardless of good intentions.
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I believe some members, I will count myself as one, are just plain weary of pronounces, teases, pre-orders, and the like. It gives one a jaded edge to the proclamations regardless of good intentions.
I understand that but im not taking pre-orders nor did I even state I would Nor did I state delivery times or anything regarding a time frame or accepting any moneys and its only been 4 weeks since I mentioned it! not sure how any of this other than Ribbonstones comment got started.
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I'm sure whatever you're cooking Travis, its going to be awesome. Take your time and do it right.
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I'm sure whatever you're cooking Travis, its going to be awesome. Take your time and do it right.
Thank you other Travis LOl. The only reason I even said anything was because several of my customers were talking about getting a entry level gun and Im close to getting it out there now Imagine your one of my customers and you buy said entry level gun and soon afterwards i release our gun thats substantially better and at near the same price. This is what i would here "Why didnt you tell me Travis I would have waited!" Now I have a upset customer with and inferior gun. So I let them know its probably worth the wait and If they dont want to wait at least they have the option. PS Travis Happy Holidays and give me a jingle sometimes its been awhile.
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Man, tough crowd. I can't help but wonder if it's some hate carried over from FX style marketing like when they pushed their slug liners before they even had them working? There does seem to be alot of show and wait in this sport but I'm sure it's because it's advancing all the time. Especially with guys like Oldpro on the scene always trying to take us to the next level.
Keep up the good work Oldpro and congrats on the python.
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It would appear that no good deed goes unpunished?
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It would appear that no good deed goes unpunished?
^^^ +1 What he said ;D
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When is the Marauder sidelever coming out?
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When is the Marauder sidelever coming out?
It should be the end of next week were trying to get threw the Christmas rush right now.
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I'm looking forward to it, I like small start up business in the USA. Hope it is as good as the hype.
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Have no dog in this fight but am amazed at the number of negative nellys on GTA. Sounds like a lot of people pre-ordered an extremely high dollar product with a substantial down payment and are upset it's not on schedule. Four weeks???? I know gunsmiths with backlogs measured in doudle digits months and you have to give them money in advance.
I'm interested in seeing the product when you get it on the market..
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If Travis says it will be worthwhile, that's what it will be. That's been my experience anyway. One thing about worthwhile, it usually doesn't happen overnight. Regards, Tom
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Have no dog in this fight but am amazed at the number of negative nellys on GTA. Sounds like a lot of people pre-ordered an extremely high dollar product with a substantial down payment and are upset it's not on schedule. Four weeks???? I know gunsmiths with backlogs measured in doudle digits months and you have to give them money in advance.
I'm interested in seeing the product when you get it on the market..
A vague history lesson a couple years back there was a small start up that we supported who kept pushing delivery dates for prepaid custom pumpers with custom quality stocks and mostly semi custom internals. The rifle as delivered was not capable of meeting expectations and cost was high. However one month from conception to testing for a new product is not excessive. Patience is something we all need to practice, we also need to slow down on the negativity.
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If you want to talk about teasers, how about the "HAMMER" it's been kicking around for over a year or more, and still not for sale, as far as I know. ;)
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If you want to talk about teasers, how about the "HAMMER" it's been kicking around for over a year or more, and still not for sale, as far as I know. ;)
Over 2 years (or soon will be) since the first announcement by my count!
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Maybe they picked the wrong two.
Just because you don't care about quality Ribb's, many of do. Schedule is the least of my worries!
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It would appear that no good deed goes unpunished?
^^^ +1 What he said ;D
+1 again! 8)
Seems to me that there have been a LOT of airguns rushed to market that once in the AirGunners hands, after much anticipation, there were huge disappointments. Many of these were hyped for over a year or more. But sill the quality wasn't there.
Finally we have a small, virtually custom shop offering quality. Not only in what they wish to bring us i the form of a New AG, but the many improvements, and fixes for what has either been delivered by a manufacturer and not up to par, or our wishes to improve their performance.
I for one appreciate the efforts of Travis and JSAR. They now offer a wide range of products to support our addiction. Is it any surprise they cannot magically produce everything at once?
Thank You JSAR!! And Thank You Travis!
Knife/Mike
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I think people here soured after the Millennium Pumper project went awry ???
IMO if Travis is excited enough to share a tidbit of it, it must be worth the wait.
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Travis, can you tell us what style of mystery rifle you plan to sell, without giving any proprietary design info.
I've passed up a few Black Friday sales and I don't mind waiting a month for something good. I would just like to know if it's even in the categories I like before I skip another 20% off Christmas sale.
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Travis, can you tell us what style of mystery rifle you plan to sell, without giving any proprietary design info.
I've passed up a few Black Friday sales and I don't mind waiting a month for something good. I would just like to know if it's even in the categories I like before I skip another 20% off Christmas sale.
That would be quite useful. Hopefully a "rifle" - not a "bullpup".
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I'm always blown away by the crying about a rifle not being released quick,.....like if that rifle is a matter of life or death ;D like if people don't have other rifles to shoot in the meantime :)
Man the crying for the Gauntlet was all time entertaining ;D ;D
I hear of a rifle the will interest me ? ...great, I file it in the back of my brain and once it comes to market I'll take a look at it,
don't really see the reason to stress about it :)
Go shoot what you got, or even buy something else in the meantime we always sell and buy rifles anyway right ? ;D ;D
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Travis spilled some of the beans a while back. Just enough to get us salivating! If i remember correctly it is a bottle gun, .177, .22 & .25 cal with a hi/low switch. Since JSAR is an evanix distributor now i would guess it's an evanix rifle? Go to the evanix web site , pick out your eye candy & keep your fingers crossed.
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Travis spilled some of the beans a while back. Just enough to get us salivating! If i remember correctly it is a bottle gun, .177, .22 & .25 cal with a hi/low switch. Since JSAR is an evanix distributor now i would guess it's an evanix rifle? Go to the evanix web site , pick out your eye candy & keep your fingers crossed.
Not Evanix cant say more due to agreements in place.
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I'm always blown away by the crying about a rifle not being released quick,.....like if that rifle is a matter of life or death ;D like if people don't have other rifles to shoot in the meantime :)
Man the crying for the Gauntlet was all time entertaining ;D ;D
I hear of a rifle the will interest me ? ...great, I file it in the back of my brain and once it comes to market I'll take a look at it,
don't really see the reason to stress about it :)
Go shoot what you got, or even buy something else in the meantime we always sell and buy rifles anyway right ? ;D ;D
Yea, I'm the same way about new guns. I need to see the strings and groups first along with how adjustable and how well thought out they are before even considering them. This primarily comes from my Marauder experiences and having to basically buy the gun twice with parts to get it to my liking.
With Travis having the experiences building the WARP/Flex guns (which are all the rave) and seeing how many other guns are built too, the new JSAR gun is sure to be a hit and be a well designed and built gun. If it's an entry level gun, it still should have a good design if nothing else. Should be interesting...
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I'm always blown away by the crying about a rifle not being released quick,.....like if that rifle is a matter of life or death ;D like if people don't have other rifles to shoot in the meantime :)
Man the crying for the Gauntlet was all time entertaining ;D ;D
I hear of a rifle the will interest me ? ...great, I file it in the back of my brain and once it comes to market I'll take a look at it,
don't really see the reason to stress about it :)
Go shoot what you got, or even buy something else in the meantime we always sell and buy rifles anyway right ? ;D ;D
^This. It’s hard to think of a better, more mentally healthy way of looking at it.
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Travis= The prototype evanix cloud could really be a hit with it's slide back lever action. Can't figure out how they get that design to work with the magazine in the rear? Hope it makes it to the market.
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I would rather buy from Travis who tests them before shipping , then playin the overseas lottery to get a good rifle..
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At my shop, I don't deal with whiners. They get to go whine somewhere else.
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I was informed just now the MYSTERY GUN will be on display at the shot show so we will unveil our partnership and new entry level gun there and it now will carry the badge JSAR HAWK
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Looking forward to it!!!
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I was informed just now the MYSTERY GUN will be on display at the shot show so we will unveil our partnership and new entry level gun there and it now will carry the badge JSAR HAWK
Cool,...and good wait to present it to the public.
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Awesome looking forward to seeing what you guys have come with it.
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Looking forward to seeing what it offers.
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Just a couple things that I would comment on...
First... Travis more than likely has a bad taste in his mouth from the SPA situation. That was ugly.
Secondly... I'm just not a preorder kinda guy. Bring your product to market where it can be tested and reviewed by someone who is not trying to sell it to me.
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Just a couple things that I would comment on...
First... Travis more than likely has a bad taste in his mouth from the SPA situation. That was ugly.
Secondly... I'm just not a preorder kinda guy. Bring your product to market where it can be tested and reviewed by someone who is not trying to sell it to me.
There wont be pre orders we will stock hundreds of these guns in the near future. All the testing etc is long done and were just getting our ducks in a row now.
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I saw you say that you weren't asking for preorders before. My comment wasn't suggesting you were. Just voicing my opinion on the preorder thing. Seen too many of those stretch way out there.
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Keeping a bunch in-stock sounds fun.
Lucky for me I got a little play money for the moment.
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I was informed just now the MYSTERY GUN will be on display at the shot show so we will unveil our partnership and new entry level gun there and it now will carry the badge JSAR HAWK
And so there ya go! ;) 8)
Mike
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I was informed just now the MYSTERY GUN will be on display at the shot show so we will unveil our partnership and new entry level gun there and it now will carry the badge JSAR HAWK
Congrats! That is awesome.
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Entry level is nice and all, but what about something for the adults and the experienced that want more now. Hopefully we will see something along those lines too from the show.
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I'm impatiently waiting for the big reveal! Yea, patience ain't a virtue I possess! LOL! But you sure have my interest piqued! JSAR Hawk even sounds awesome!
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Fingers crossed for a slug slinger! 8)
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Fingers crossed for a slug slinger! 8)
Definitely not a slug slinger. But we have other things in the works that are.
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Oh-NO!!! Now you've gone and done it. Saying you have things in the works will bring on another round of Where is the New Mystery Guns that were promised. LOL :o ;D
Just can't make some folks happy, no matter how hard ya try! :(
Now where did I put that No Whining symbol?
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yep I am one of those ya jes canna please.. ;)
I want a fallin block...
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Oh-NO!!! Now you've gone and done it. Saying you have things in the works will bring on another round of Where is the New Mystery Guns that were promised. LOL :o ;D
Just can't make some folks happy, no matter how hard ya try! :(
Now where did I put that No Whining symbol?
With Travis behind the wheel of this build, all of that should cease once it is revealed. He says "entry level", but I'm not convinced that is really gonna fit. We shall see though. If so, I'll be on the lookout for the JSAR Eagle Claw that is sure to follow.
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Oh-NO!!! Now you've gone and done it. Saying you have things in the works will bring on another round of Where is the New Mystery Guns that were promised. LOL :o ;D
Just can't make some folks happy, no matter how hard ya try! :(
Now where did I put that No Whining symbol?
Should ad a whining symbol to the smileys board for sure :)
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To Paraphrase Tom Hanks from "A League Of Their Own" There's no whining in AG's
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Not even sure who made the gun and I hope I don't offend anyone here but.....
I'm sure glad I wasn't one of the poor folks that pre-ordered the "Badger"... man, that thing drug out for what seemed like forever.
I will add... I am one of the guys that pre-paid for the Urban mags. That's a bit different. We enlisted this guy to develop and produce something. I feel like we understood we were funding the project going in. I didn't expect it to take quite this long but, I'm OK with it. And they certainly didn't cost a grand.
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Should ad a whining symbol to the smileys board for sure :)
Also add a "thumbs up" symbol.
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I will add... I am one of the guys that pre-paid for the Urban mags. That's a bit different. We enlisted this guy to develop and produce something. I feel like we understood we were funding the project going in. I didn't expect it to take quite this long but, I'm OK with it. And they certainly didn't cost a grand.
I wonder if everyone else who got in on that deal feels the same as you do now 8+ months into it.
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I haven't seen any negatives in the thread on them... most have expressed their patience. I know he has a couple in the field for testing now.
It's a little different than waiting on a gun. We all have our one mag to use while waiting. He's also working on a single shot mag that don't need removed from the gun for loading. Something that was never offered for the gun.
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With Travis behind the wheel of this build, all of that should cease once it is revealed. He says "entry level", but I'm not convinced that is really gonna fit. We shall see though. If so, I'll be on the lookout for the JSAR Eagle Claw that is sure to follow.
I'm guessing a MPP, .177 and .22, hopefully w/open sights and wood furniture. If I'm right I get one gratis, right? Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? (http://www.chevelles.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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With Travis behind the wheel of this build, all of that should cease once it is revealed. He says "entry level", but I'm not convinced that is really gonna fit. We shall see though. If so, I'll be on the lookout for the JSAR Eagle Claw that is sure to follow.
I'm guessing a MPP, .177 and .22, hopefully w/open sights and wood furniture. If I'm right I get one gratis, right? Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? (http://www.chevelles.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
Your guess is as good as any at this point ;D I'm sure whatever is unveiled will be very desirable for those in that particular market. I admit the suspense is tough going, but will soon be over.
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I have confidence ;D
Wonder if the Hammer will be at Shot Show again ::)
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Naw, they are all one Airgunner TV. LOL. Another one this week. Featuring what? "Y" the hammer of course. Give me a break.
Now, what is a MMP. Multi Pump Pistol. If so uh, No. ;)
I know most of it, but I AIN'T tell'n. Mua-hahahaha!!! ;D
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Now, what is a MMP. Multi Pump Pistol. If so uh, No. ;)
2 outta 3. MP Pneumatic (http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/images/smilies/mwink.gif)
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Whatever it is, really hoping it wont be pellet picky. Maybe in the market for something new if enough boxes are checked.
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What constitutes an “entry level gun”? A particular price limit? Quality build? Accuracy? Brand name?
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I think of entry level as less expensive and easy to learn on with lots of available parts and upgrades. It should not be cheaply made however decent build quality with less expensive stock possibly synthetic or molded fiberglass reinforced plastic and also fewer bells and whistles
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Sounds exciting anyway! And a US company making it too is great :D.
Hopefully a loud version for Canada will make its way up north eventually too ;D
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You guys really are something else. Patience is not yer strong point for sure.
I'm happy with pumper pistols (no fancy misleading abbreviations here), pumper rifles, CO2 guns, PCP, and springers (whether steel coil or gas piston). So anything new that causes other manufacturers to pay closer attention is a good thing, whether because of features for the price, quality for the price, or whatever... forcing the other companies to take note and offer the airgunners something better is a good thing.
Now when you look at 5 year old platforms, most of them just look dated.