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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => BB Guns and Such => Topic started by: wll2506 on November 21, 2018, 11:07:44 PM
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Looking to get a high powered BB gun .. the old Daisy 25's were at about 350 fps, the new ones are not. Thinking of maybe a Daisy 760 or 1000 or 2100 ? Maybe a Daisy 880 or mod 35 ? Is there something else ?
Not interested in shooing pellets only BB's but want to send them out in the 550 + fps area ! Gun will be a total plinker when I go out to the desert shooting old cans, and stuff1
Which one of these do you guys have experience with that gave you good speed and did not fall apart ?
wll
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Crosman 2100 is a decently accurate BB shooter with some oomph. Daisy 35 is another good un, smoothbore. Crosman 760 isn't bad, daisy 880 isn't bad. Just pick one and keep the pump head oiled, should last several years.
Edit- regardless your choice, don't expect better than minute of can accuracy, out to ten or maybe even 20 yards if you find a good one!
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Crosman 2100 is a decently accurate BB shooter with some oomph. Daisy 35 is another good un, smoothbore. Crosman 760 isn't bad, daisy 880 isn't bad. Just pick one and keep the pump head oiled, should last several years.
Edit- regardless your choice, don't expect better than minute of can accuracy, out to ten or maybe even 20 yards if you find a good one!
I'm expecting minimal accuracy at best - LOL, LOL .. The ONLY reason for this gun is when I'm out with my "REAL" airguns (Condor, Career, Disco - Bla, Bla, Bla ...) I can launch BB's at stuff (tree branches, dirt clods, tin cans, wasps etc, etc) for micro cents a shot. I plan to shoot at times with the gun held low so I can watch the BB arc to its target ... like I did when I was a kid ;- )
Plan on pumping it up no more than 5 times (don't want or need an exercise machine for this gun), hoping to shoot in the 400+ ish fps area.
The Daisy 25 would be perfect as it is light, thin and one stroke is easy fast cocking .... except...... Daisy has made no where near as powerful as it used to be. From test I have seen it is a 300-315 fps gun... where it used to be 350++ gun. many of my friends had this gun when I was a kid and it blew the doors off my Daisy 102 !
If there was a mod for it to up the horsepower without hurting the gun I would go that route !
wll
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They're pricy, but you know you can still find the old school Daisy Model 25's on Ebay, right??
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Try the Duke at Pyramyd. I got a pair of the Annie Oakley Sure Shot rifles for my daughters for Christmas and they have enough power to make bb's stick in plywood about 1/2 to 3/4 of the time. Ya know santa (daddy) gotta "test fire" the guns a couple (hundred) times inside the return window. I believe the Duke is the same gun with a large loop. Go with the plastic loop it cost less and is more durable than the pot metal loop. Should be an option.
Nowhere near 500 fps but decent enough power to sling bb's through both sides of an empty gatorade bottle at ten meters.
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Try the Duke at Pyramyd. I got a pair of the Annie Oakley Sure Shot rifles for my daughters for Christmas and they have enough power to make bb's stick in plywood about 1/2 to 3/4 of the time. Ya know santa (daddy) gotta "test fire" the guns a couple (hundred) times inside the return window. I believe the Duke is the same gun with a large loop. Go with the plastic loop it cost less and is more durable than the pot metal loop. Should be an option.
Nowhere near 500 fps but decent enough power to sling bb's through both sides of an empty gatorade bottle at ten meters.
I'll take a look at that, thank you.
wll
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Well, just went over to my very local Walmart, the had the 880S for #35.99 and the legacy 1000 for $49.99 .. Now I have to find out the pros and cons of each ?
Also, what bb's Crosman or Daisy or the very expensive Hornady black bb's ?
wll
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I have found that BB's tend to like slower velocities in my experience.
My Daisy 35 was decently accurate though, so maybe try one of those.
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Absolutely with 100% conviction, Daisy Quicksilver BB's. Above Hornady Black Diamond, and many tims better than Crosman Copperhead BB's. If you really really want the best most accurste bb, daisy avanti precision shot. But daisy quicksilver pretty "dang" close, the rest not so good. Plain and simple.
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Absolutely with 100% conviction, Daisy Quicksilver BB's. Above Hornady Black Diamond, and many tims better than Crosman Copperhead BB's. If you really really want the best most accurste bb, daisy avanti precision shot. But daisy quicksilver pretty "dang" close, the rest not so good. Plain and simple.
Thank you very much ;- )
wll
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Here's a vintage one to check out. The Crosman 788 Scout. I have one. It's twenty shot repeater. Very small only 31.5" long and looks like a kid's gun.
It can push a BB out to 500 fps and the one I have one is surprisingly accurate.
For reference here's links to a couple listed at Baker Airguns. 1.]) [url=https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/crosman-model-788-3/] (http://) [url=https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/crosman-model-788-3/)
2.)][url=https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/crosman-model-788-bb-scout/] (http://[url=https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/crosman-model-788-bb-scout/)
First link is to one that does 420fps. Second one does 501fps
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788 bb scout was my very first air rifle. It is definitely more powerful than the average bb gun. Shot myself in the finger with mine and buried the bb into the bone, grandma couldn't pick it outno matter how hard she tried! Ended up taking me to the er where they popped it right out.
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Well, Well guess what I found ?
I kept thinking I had bought a 760 a few years ago, but like everything in my house I couldn't find it ....Well way back in the corner of my work room was a gun socked 760 ;- )
I quickly filled it with BB's and pumped her up 4 times ... got ~415 fps on an average ... Perfect .. just what I was looking for in the first place.
Doubt if I will pump her up more than that (Maybe 5 pumps if the velocity is a good bit more), as I have exercise machines at home and BB's at around that speed (400-500fps) fly pretty nice.
I'm glad I found it, Now what to do with the 880 I just bought :- )
wll
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Well, Well guess what I found ?
I kept thinking I had bought a 760 a few years ago, but like everything in my house I couldn't find it ....Well way back in the corner of my work room was a gun socked 760 ;- )
I quickly filled it with BB's and pumped her up 4 times ... got ~415 fps on an average ... Perfect .. just what I was looking for in the first place.
Doubt if I will pump her up more than that (Maybe 5 pumps if the velocity is a good bit more), as I have exercise machines at home and BB's at around that speed (400-500fps) fly pretty nice.
I'm glad I found it, Now what to do with the 880 I just bought :- )
wll
Best thing you can do with that 880, is find it's favorite pellet and post some groups.
You might be surprised what a $40 gun can do.
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Unless of course you have kids. Best memories of my childhood came with a Daisy 880.
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Well, Well guess what I found ?
I kept thinking I had bought a 760 a few years ago, but like everything in my house I couldn't find it ....Well way back in the corner of my work room was a gun socked 760 ;- )
I quickly filled it with BB's and pumped her up 4 times ... got ~415 fps on an average ... Perfect .. just what I was looking for in the first place.
Doubt if I will pump her up more than that (Maybe 5 pumps if the velocity is a good bit more), as I have exercise machines at home and BB's at around that speed (400-500fps) fly pretty nice.
I'm glad I found it, Now what to do with the 880 I just bought :- )
wll
Best thing you can do with that 880, is find it's favorite pellet and post some groups.
You might be surprised what a $40 gun can do.
$40 ...$40......What ? You think I'm made of money ;- ) It was $32.99 from Wally World ... And I just looked, they raised the price $3.00, so it is now 35.00 ----- what a rip ...LOL, LOL, LOL.
I'm very excited about this gun. I have been reading for the past few days many, many hours on this gun, the parts, how to fix, assemble, bla, bla, bla. It is a very well designed gun and in many ways has been improved upon,(stock wobble and flimsy cocking are are two examples) although it is made in China ;- (
If you get a few "O" rings and seals ... you can be shooting this gun for many, many years ... good job Daisy ;- )
With the Shim trigger mod (don't know how to do it) and the tape around the Straw Barrel keeping it from movement ... you wind up with a very good shooter. What i especially like is the ease of cocking ... my Sheridan was a son of a gun and the old Crosman I have was not much better.
wll
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The thing about the 880 is you basically have a plastic rifle that, if you find the pellet and the barrel is stable, is a legit 700 fps pumper that shoots dimes. So much value for the dollar there.
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I would stick with the 2 smoothbore options... the daisy 35 or the crosman 760... any other pumper with rifling will always be better used with pellets. i still think that you cant beat the 760 with anything as a loafer, walk around the woods gun... even with BBs. 2.25 lbs? what? is like carrying nothing... as per BBs, cant beat the daisy silvers... shoot the best .
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I would stick with the 2 smoothbore options... the daisy 35 or the crosman 760... any other pumper with rifling will always be better used with pellets. i still think that you cant beat the 760 with anything as a loafer, walk around the woods gun... even with BBs. 2.25 lbs? what? is like carrying nothing... as per BBs, cant beat the daisy silvers... shoot the best .
Since I found my 760, I have used it in the back yard and is a real super light fun gun for sure ... Yes I shoot the Daisy silvers !
wll
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look up on pyramyd air blog for the cut down 760 that was used by some police dept... its awesome...
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If you go vintage--
If you can find an old Benjamin 310 you would have a great smoothbore and you could also shoot pellets.
If you want a 'repeater' the 3100 would be a good choice.
For a single pump BB gun I think the Crosman 350/3500 and M-1's are strong shooters.
Gary
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Get one of these for $35 and shoot lead BBs (second hand information that this works) from the 50 shot magazine, out of the rifled barrel: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Daisy-Powerline-880-Air-Rifle-177-cal-Black-w-Scope/40556631 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Daisy-Powerline-880-Air-Rifle-177-cal-Black-w-Scope/40556631)
Apparently lead BBs are large enough to engage the rifling and are more accurate than steel BBs out of smooth or rifled barrels.
The 880 should be brisk enough for your purposes: "Up to 750 FPS with BBs"...
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Yes, that is exactly what I'm doing. During the last month I have become a Daisy 880 nut ;- )
wll
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One thing about the 760 pumpers... For $10 and a little elbow grease they can turned into serious shooters. The rifled barrel off the Mk4-177 is a "drop-in" replacement, and with a little cleaning up on the crown you can have a worthy tack driver. The older models take a scope quite well, too.
Regarding 880s- one of our forum members offers LDCs for them that also stabilize the barrel. The 880 is probably the most accurate gun for the budget airgunner, and they offer enough power for pesting, smallest-game hunting (rabbits and squirrel, mourning dovs, etc), and general plinking at range.
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Keep the 880 and use it for lead pellets. I have both an 880 and a 760 Crosman. The 760 has shot a couple of good groups with bb's, but then will toss out wild fliers. I gave up on bb's, and just shoot pellets in it. It's fine with pellets to at least 7 yards. Both my 760 and 880 have tossed about 3000 pellets down range. Not a hint of a problem with the 760. The 880 is shooting better for me now than when it was newer.
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I would highly recommend the Daisy 880 power line as the best overall BB GUN
Very easy to use and at 800 fps it’s great.
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Daisy 880 can shoot BBs with one pump at a spinning target trap 15 ft away and make it spin like an airplane prop
but it shoots to the right, so aim a little to the left
very easy gun to load , just drop it in the bolt port one at a time or load-up 50 at a time