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Airguns by Make and Model => FX Airguns => Topic started by: PaulFWI on October 13, 2018, 06:02:33 PM
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Looking forward to zeroing tomorrow.
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Looking forward to zeroing tomorrow.
Congratulations!
You're killing me here. That's the gun and stock I'm focused on getting, at least in my dreams. I hope you post up some strings of what it can do along with some 50 yard groups.
Subscribed.
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I don't do strings anymore– I don't really have the time. (Hey, if it's accurate, I know standard deviation must be low!)
Also until my Nomad II arrives I am pumping this thing– and let me tell you that getting it up to 250 BAR is a bit of a chore.
I will post groups, though. :) (Unless they not so good...)
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I do have to say that, quality wise and aesthetically, it seems to be the best gun I've had.
It is amazingly light, and the balance is amazing as well. The stock is absolutely gorgeous, the fit of everything perfect, and the action butter smooth.
If it shoots like others say it does, I will be quite happy. Of course this thing is ridiculously expensive.
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All you have to do is put the chrono in front when doing the groups. If the groups aren't good, that's the part I'm most interested in. I held and shot one twice at this years Fun shoot. I was hooked right then, and it was the green laminate.
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Good luck. My Crown went back for replacement on Wednesday.
Would not group any pellet at any velocity...
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Paul, congratulations! That is one beautiful rifle! Enjoy :).
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Good luck. My Crown went back for replacement on Wednesday.
Would not group any pellet at any velocity...
Oh no! Did you buy from AOA?
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Congrats on a great gun mines Walnut in 25 and I love it at least a 1000 pellets through and no problems so far very accurate enjoy
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Congrats! Beautiful rifle!
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Good luck. My Crown went back for replacement on Wednesday.
Would not group any pellet at any velocity...
Oh no! Did you buy from AOA?
Airgun Depot.
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So I went to zero would today and there is not enough elevation adjustment on the scope, with the mount that AOA sold me with the gun. I'm a good 1.5" low.
I've never had this happen with the PCP before - I've never needed any kind of shim or adjustable mount.
What would people recommended?
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So I went to zero would today and there is not enough elevation adjustment on the scope, with the mount that AOA sold me with the gun. I'm a good 1.5" low.
I've never had this happen with the PCP before - I've never needed any kind of shim or adjustable mount.
What would people recommended?
A business card or a piece of soda can under the mount. Make it with the turret adjustment knob centered and the elevation very close to your desired sight distance.
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So I went to zero would today and there is not enough elevation adjustment on the scope, with the mount that AOA sold me with the gun. I'm a good 1.5" low.
I've never had this happen with the PCP before - I've never needed any kind of shim or adjustable mount.
What would people recommended?
A business card or a piece of soda can under the mount. Make it with the turret adjustment knob centered and the elevation very close to your desired sight distance.
That doesn't sound very stable. Wouldn't compression of the material over time move the zero?
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What was your zero distance? How much scope elevation adjust do you have and what level zoom? And if course another reason is velocity, where are you at fps?
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I don't know the amount of scope adjustment - it's a Hawke Sidewinder 8-32x56.
I was trying to zero .4" low at 10Y to be on at 50Y per the trajectory chart.
It is a plain fact that I ran out of adjustment. What I'm asking for his recommendations on either a shim or adjustable mount. Thanks.
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Zero at 50 yards
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Zero at 50 yards
EDIT: maybe you are right - Maybe the mount is high enough that the trajectory chart is off. I will give it a try at 50 yards. (It's been very windy here.)
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No dice - Best I can do is almost 3 inches low at 50 yards.
AOA told me to try flipping the mount pieces front to back. Didn't do the trick.
I also made sure that the scope wasn't labeled wrong with up-and-down reversed. It's not.
I'll have to either shim or go to an adjustable mount.
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So I went to zero would today and there is not enough elevation adjustment on the scope, with the mount that AOA sold me with the gun. I'm a good 1.5" low.
I've never had this happen with the PCP before - I've never needed any kind of shim or adjustable mount.
What would people recommended?
A business card or a piece of soda can under the mount. Make it with the turret adjustment knob centered and the elevation very close to your desired sight distance.
That doesn't sound very stable. Wouldn't compression of the material over time move the zero?
Of course you would use hard stock or thin metal. It's not uncommon to have to shim. There are adjustable mounts available as well.
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So... if I ran out of UP travel, do I shim the front or rear mount? :)
I believe it's the rear.
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So... if I ran out of UP travel, do I shim the front or rear mount? :)
I believe it's the rear.
Yes, the rear. You shouldn't need more than one thin card maybe two once tightened down and compressed. I typically count the clicks from full stop in one direction to the other and divide by two to center the turret. I then shim what I need from that point. That way the internals of the scope are at their center adjustments for best performance.
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The mounts are Sportsmatch Extra High. AOA told me extra high mounts were necessary to clear the magazine, and sold me these. But, there is over 1/4" clearance between the mag and the bottom of the scope - shorter rings would work.
Am I right in supposing that shorter rings would need less elevation adjustment?
Maybe getting new rings is my best bet. I read some bad things about shimming.
(FYI, AOA told me on the phone they could not take the mounts back for exchange - not that I'd even asked - or that I'm that worried about the $60.)
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The mounts are Sportsmatch Extra High. AOA told me extra high mounts were necessary to clear the magazine, and sold me these. But, there is over 1/4" clearance between the mag and the bottom of the scope - shorter rings would work.
Am I right in supposing that shorter rings would need less elevation adjustment?
Maybe getting new rings is my best bet. I read some bad things about shimming.
(FYI, AOA told me on the phone they could not take the mounts back for exchange - not that I'd even asked - or that I'm that worried about the $60.)
Just depends on personal preference and comfort when viewing the reticle. The lower the better for sure, if comfortable for viewing. Sounds like you possibly have some barrel droop to compensate for. I'd go for the FX "No Limit" mounts that are adjustable.
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What I am asking is: shorter rings that put the scope closer to the barrel should result in the need for less elevation adjustment, all else being equal, right?
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What I am asking is: shorter rings that put the scope closer to the barrel should result in the need for less elevation adjustment, all else being equal, right?
Yes, it will help, but will it be enough. FX No Limit rings have compensation correction abilities if you don't want to shim the bottom ring.
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What I am asking is: shorter rings that put the scope closer to the barrel should result in the need for less elevation adjustment, all else being equal, right?
Yes, it will help, but will it be enough. FX No Limit rings have compensation correction abilities if you don't want to shim the bottom ring.
Sportsmatch makes nice adjustable rings too.
I have always used either medium or high rings in the past and never had this problem– I am betting it is the extra height that is the real culprit here. The gun is flatter-shooting than most I have!
I may get adjustable rings though anyway, just so I can keep the scope adjustments more towards the middle. I've never had a problem with hawke scopes on PCPs losing zero either but it can't hurt...
Anyway, I won't be hunting with this rifle this weekend.
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It is a plain fact that I ran out of adjustment. What I'm asking for his recommendations on either a shim or adjustable mount. Thanks.
My point was you dont have enough adjustment to zero at 50yd is unsual and should not require a shim.
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It is a plain fact that I ran out of adjustment. What I'm asking for his recommendations on either a shim or adjustable mount. Thanks.
My point was you dont have enough adjustment to zero at 50yd is unsual and should not require a shim.
Gotcha. Agreed on that. It's those mile-high mounts, I know it.
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It is a plain fact that I ran out of adjustment. What I'm asking for his recommendations on either a shim or adjustable mount. Thanks.
I know what you mean, big mags! ;) I went with a FFP, seems to be working out, but you would want to put that sidewinder to use! Not that saving a few bucks now with mounts, but NCstar actually makes something that works well for "trying it out" purposes. I think I found them on amazon.
My point was you dont have enough adjustment to zero at 50yd is unsual and should not require a shim.
Gotcha. Agreed on that. It's those mile-high mounts, I know it.
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AOA better take care of any problems brother. You spent some fat coin.
Keep us updated. Nice air rifle!
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AOA better take care of any problems brother. You spent some fat coin.
Keep us updated. Nice air rifle!
They told me they won't take back the mount - which they sold me and recommended. I already ordered a Sportsmatch adjustable mount from Pyramyd.
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I'm guessing that they sold you the high mounts due to the size of the objective bell and the gap between the barrel.
I really like the FX No-limit rings and have changed out most of my rifles to them.
Then optically center the scope with a mirror and adjust the rings to be as close to POA as possible then lock them down so I only have to make small adjustments for zeroing elevation.
And I'm a mildot recticle guy so then it's easy to compensate
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I think you should try shorter mounts, which would raise your POI. You never mentioned what mounts that you have on your rifle. I find BLK mounts work great with 11 mm dove tail.
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I'm guessing that they sold you the high mounts due to the size of the objective bell and the gap between the barrel.
I really like the FX No-limit rings and have changed out most of my rifles to them.
Then optically center the scope with a mirror and adjust the rings to be as close to POA as possible then lock them down so I only have to make small adjustments for zeroing elevation.
And I'm a mildot recticle guy so then it's easy to compensate
No. As I said they said they were necessary due to the size of the mag, but they are taller then required.
They didn't know what scope I was using. It is 56mm but still has over 1/4" clearance to the barrel.
The mounts are higher than necessary.
The fact that they recommended them and they won't work without a shim and they will not take them back is poor behavior on their part IMO.
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Something I would try first because it can make a huge difference in POI or at least it does on my 25cal is to rotate the liner without even pulling it out of the barrel. It's very easy to do. On my 25 the liner position can affect POI 4-5" at 50yds. You might mark in it's current orientation turn it 90* and try that. If it seems to be helping try going to 180* from it's original position. After each move shoot it 4 or 5 times to ensure everything has settle.
Jimmy
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Tom Gaylord, aka B.B. Pelletier, says he almost always uses shims and I trust his judgement. Read his techniques about zeroing scopes on Pyramyd Air's blog..Chet
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i have had to shim the rear scope mount on a break barrel. i cut a piece from a beer can to fit the saddle of the mount. worked great. definitely not an uncommon issue.
kgb
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Here's the gun with the scope mounted with the Sportsmatch High (not Extra High) rings AOA said would not fit due to the mag. You can see the magazine is installed and fits quite easily.
I'm sure the gun will zero with these lower mounts, but they are adjustable anyway.
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I've got the gun zeroed. It shoots like a dream - ragged-hole groups at 50 yards. The one on the right below is about .3 inch; the one on the left even smaller. The holes are so big, and these JSB pellets don't make clean cuts, so it's not easy to get a good CTC measurement.
I did not measure the BC, but it is clearly very good (better than my .25 Wildcat) because it is very flat-shooting. Zeroed at 50 yards, I'm no more than a half inch high in the 25-30 yard range, at the apex of the trajectory.
I did make use of the mount's adjustment feature to zero the scope vertically keeping the scope adjustments almost centered.
Two megs (26 shots) took me exactly from 250 BAR to 200, so I should get right about four mags from a fill. (I am awaiting a Nomad II compressor and have decided not to pump this gun any more.)
The gun is considerably quieter with the barrel extended – with a collapsed, it is *loud*. There is an actual "crack."
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Pretty much my results as well. Im quite pleased with the suppression from the shoud extended. Have you tried the 50gr yet? I cant believe how well they do, my other two 30cal (Hatsan and Evanix) did not like them so much.
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No - gotta wait for the Nomad. But can they be any more accurate??
My .25 Wildcat loves the heavier pellets. I have wondered if it's because they're slower. They are more accurate, but since they don't shoot as flat they may not be more accurate in the field.
But the extra energy is a + in the .25 which is why I stayed with them. In the .30 I don't need it.
Are the heavier pellets more accurate in your gun?
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I honestly cant tell the difference between the 44 and 50gr. And this is at 50,75,100yd with both being capable well below MOA. It has been the easiest rifle to shoot consistently that I have ever owned.
I agree, energy difference in negligible but always nice to have options, especially in 30cal ;) I actually ran out of 44gr and were out of stock everywhere but just wanted to get some trigger time and let the rifle settle in. To my surprise, they were amazing. Im guessing you already are, but you are going to like this rig, a lot.