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Title: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on September 18, 2018, 01:56:41 PM
   
Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense

My airgunning story started out very naive and harmless. And I don’t know your airgunning story. Maybe yours is much worse than mine? I won’t judge you. I’m way too deep in it myself....

It started in 2017. I was thinking of getting a gun for some fun shooting, maybe some special time for son and dad. So I did....

● August 11, 2017: I bought a gun with iron sights – and literally on top of that it also came with a scope – for a whopping $99.

● Dec. 8, 2017: Then I bought a scope that cost more than the gun and the previous scope. For 123$. Now I have three ways to aim at my target – two scopes and iron sights. Ironically, I only have two eyes. And one of them is usually closed when I shoot.

● April 20, 2018: One has to go with the times, and since everything is digital now I bought a couple apps for that cell phone of mine. Now I can calculate right there in the field the trajectory (in hundredths of an inch) of my pellet to the target – and then scan and score where it hits (I never miss, of course). And a digital caliper measures my group size, with the accuracy of half of a thousandths of an inch. Because my shooting is just that accurate and requires that kind of digital sophistication. I only spent $40!


After April, things accelerated somewhat, not to say, got out of hand.

● June 2, 2018: Then I felt I wanted to mount the scope differently on the gun and adjust it better. For the price of those new scope mounts I could have bought a whole gun, with scope, and with scope mounts – and still have 3 dollars in change (well, add to the $102 the $15 shipping from the UK). Now I have three mounts for the two scopes. Yeah, in gun arithmetic this squares just fine.

● June 12, 2018: At this point, having one gun, with two scopes and iron sights, I can see really well where my pellets should hit. But I kept wondering how far my gun was away from the target, and my wondering was to the tune of $77 – the price of a used range finder.
Because I spend my money wisely. Now I KNOW that it’s 5.5 yards from my muzzle to my quarry, the varmint snail on my flower bed. And 338.5 yards to the abandoned barn with the tin roof I’ve been trying to hit for the 67th time.


● Sep. 28, 2018:  If I have two scopes, I think I should also have two distance measuring devices (besides the distance estimation of the parallax setting). You know, I should check on my range finder once in a while to make sure it’s working properly, right? And I feel it necessary to measure the distances to my targets down to the inch – because the half yards of my range finder are not precise enough of course.
So, what is one to do? I got myself a measuring reel, all of 300 feet long. Because my gun easily shoots that far with its measly 12FPE. At $45 not a whole lot less then the electronic range finder, but two is better than one, and inches are better than yards. Makes sense, doesn’t it?


Say, can you relate at all to my experience?


● Aug. 21, 2018: To date I knew exactly how far my pellets flew until they hit my target, but I really NEEDED to know how fast they flew there, and with what BC (not BS, but the two seem closely related). So, I bought a shooting chronograph. For $96. That’s a whole 3 dollars less than I spent on the gun with the scope, I’d say that chrono was quite a bargain!
Incidentally, four months before that, I wrote a note to self into my shooting records: “I think I will refrain from measuring my own BCs – I’m not a competition shooter, I have a very, very low end gun, and I rather spend $200 on a hunting trip than on two* boxes [chronos] that measure speed of tiny pieces of lead...!”    |   *[two chronos for simultaneous measuring velocity at the muzzle and the target]
Don’t judge me – isn’t a man entitled to change his opinion?!


● Sep. 11, 2018: Now, after about a year of having the gun, I have spent $155 total on thingies to shoot at. If I’m successful at what I do with the gun I end up destroying these paper thingies. 155 dollars worth of hole riddled paper is quite a success, don’t you think? Well worth the investment – worthy of gracing the insides of a trash can. (Yes, you can recycle that if you like, much better than the other thingies I shoot at, them varmint thingies.)

● Sep. 11, 2018: Also, during year one of having the gun, I have spent $500 on those other little thingies that shoot out the gun and onto the paper thingies. And when the two meet, both of them thingies get so messed up, and then they are both junk, double junk – double success, I’d call that. Works for me.


Reflection:
The logic of all this eludes me somewhat. However, the irony that a 99 dollar rifle requires over 1,000 dollars spent on paraphernalia is eating away at me ($1,153 to be exact, that’s more than 11 times the price of the rifle).
It’s like buying a 100 dollar cordless drill, and spending 1,000 dollars on drill bits and batteries. It’s like buying a $10,000 car, and spending $100,000 on tires, paint, leather, stereo, tuneup, etc. It’s like buying a $100,000 house, and putting furniture in it worth a million bucks.
Does this make sense?  To anybody reading this?!  Anybody?!?
(O, yeah, I know, it makes sense. To you and to me. Just no-one outside of the gun community.)

Remind me again, why am I spending all this money?
(Yeah, I got bitten.  By the airgun bug.  Badly.  That’s all.)



PS: Oh, you’re saying my rifle is way too cheap and low quality for all the high-tech accessories I have bought for it. It just doesn’t fit. It’s not congruent. – 
Yeah, you are sooo right! See, I don’t like to live with incongruity! I had to endure it for a year with all these expensive accessories that really didn’t match the gun in the first place.
So, the way forward toward inner harmony is to buy a more expensive, higher quality gun than what I currently have.
(If you have a .22 Kral Puncher Breaker Silent Synthetic for me, I’d be interested. You help me restore my internal congruity, and I help you by putting money in your pocket.)


PPS: You know, for inner congruity and stuff, I wonder if getting the Kral would raise the bar high enough for me to justify getting a LabRadar next....
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: nervoustrigger on September 18, 2018, 02:07:25 PM
That’s all well and good to take a look back on what may on the surface appear to be illogical or wasteful.

But it all can really be summarized succinctly by asking yourself this question...

Have I had fun?
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Roadworthy on September 18, 2018, 02:29:13 PM
Thanks for sharing, Matthias.  I haven't gone quite so far off the deep end - or perhaps in a slightly different direction - but I think we're arriving at the same destination.  I, too, have well over $1000 invested due to the purchase of a cheap gun with a scope - neither of which do I currently own any longer.
Buy high, sell low!!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: DonaAna1 on September 18, 2018, 02:42:08 PM
Perhaps the better question would be.
Why is this fun?
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: DanD on September 18, 2018, 02:55:41 PM
Great post! It must be a fine little $99 rifle to inspire so much investment.
It's a fun hobby, for sure.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Steelontarget on September 18, 2018, 06:39:51 PM
Although it may appear that you have needlessly spent so much money as an adjunct to a 99 dollar air rifle it was actually well spent.  Think of what you have learned along the way.

An education is something that you cannot lose nor can anyone take it away from you.  What you have learned will come in handy when you by your next air gun.

Trust me... There WILL be another air gun.  Don't tell us that there will not be another air gun cause you will only have to eat your words.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Wolverineshooter on September 18, 2018, 07:09:16 PM
Less than 2 years, see how many guns I have gotten, and even more for the scopes, and time spent researching...indeed a rabbit hole
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on September 18, 2018, 07:26:20 PM
Yeah, Steelontarget, despite the fact that I try to put Leadontarget (rather than steel),
I trust you completely – I WILL buy another gun.  ("another" – as in "one"?!)
I already have carefully researched all the options (and they are all a bit too pricey...). But hey, it's gonna happen!


Looking at your gun list, you must have gotten bitten pretty badly by the airgun bug, too. And probably quite some time ago – for your collection to grow like that! Were there any other guns that used to be on the list, but changed the owner at some time in the past...?!  :-)

Then again, Wolverineshooter, fatal infection can go pretty fast as your own gun list proves. 2 years, wow.... You say it's a rabbit hole? More like a crater.  :o


Roadworthy, your advice to "buy high and sell low" fits my airgunning dilemma perfectly. And my location – because where I live airguns easily cost 50% more than in the US.  >:(  It's not right. It makes my crater 50% deeper than yours, Wolverineshooter.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: maraudinglizard on September 18, 2018, 07:29:36 PM
 It doesn't matter how much it cost, the question is-are you having fun and want to go in over your head. I am having fun, who cares about the cost. I'm making up for a repressed childhood. The list below says it all.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Habanero69er on September 18, 2018, 07:47:56 PM
I've always had fun with my airguns. I just wish I had the wisdom of being able to foresee what gizmos & gadgets I really didn't need, didn't work or I don't or won't use. Maybe one day I'll go through all those unused items & sell them off so I have the money to buy more gizmos/gadgets. Hopefully, ones that I can actually use.   :o
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Mikeflys on September 18, 2018, 07:56:23 PM
My story is a bit different than yours. I started my air gun journey back when .22LR ammo became scares. I just wanted something to plink with. I started to look at .22lr alternatives and found this forum and some really neat videos on YouTube by a dude named Ted. It just so happened that at the same time I recived a 20 year bonus from my job. So I jumped in bigtime. I went right into PCP land. Since then I have added several nice springers to my stable. I have not bought really anything other than the rifles themselves. I still don't have a Crony or any apps. I just keep spending my money on rifles. Right now the Diana Chaser has captured my attention...… This addiction is a rough one! 
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Scotchmo on September 18, 2018, 08:19:23 PM
In 2011, I bought a .22 springer thinking I was going to hunt with it. To improve my shooting skills, I tried Field Target, and decided that I needed a .177 so bought another springer. $80 brand new from Pyramyd Air, along with a $100 scope.

6+ years later, it is still my go-to FT gun. That's after spending many $1000's over the last few years to get it to where I want it. And it's still not done. The $220 scope that is currently mounted is doing fine and it will stay on until after the Nationals. But I just bought a $500 scope (expensive for my tastes) that I plan on using next year.

I've got piles of airgun related things that I don't need. Some guns, but mostly small stuff that I unload at a loss at airgun swap meets. I probably spend more $$$ traveling to, and participating in Field Target matches than I spend on equipment. It's money well spent as it's all for entertainment. In general, I spend conservatively, but I don't bother keeping track of the total spent anymore.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: justinp61 on September 18, 2018, 08:20:41 PM
I've spent close to $2500 in just over a year on four air rifles, scopes and pellets since buying my first rifle in May of last year. I'm afraid there is no bottom to this hole. The only positive is that I have no interest in PCP's.

If you'll look at my avitar you'll se this isn't the only expensive hobby I have, not to mention fishing.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: HueAirgun on September 18, 2018, 08:21:47 PM
Well honestly, if you dont consider the gun, pellets and paper targets, youre really not expending so much. If you buy another gun, you can put your other scope on it?
The chrony and rage finder? Also work no matter the number of guns you have.

What am i trying to say? Buy another gun and make that 1000$ into 500$, or buy 10 guns and make it 100$.
Now if you do consider the pellets, how much have i paid in gas and maintence of a car? hmmmm, at least the car does a lot more than 12fpe.....
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: WD Feese on September 18, 2018, 08:24:29 PM
A wise man once told that all hobbies cost the same.  All you have.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: mr007s on September 18, 2018, 08:25:17 PM
My entry into the airgun world was filled with misfortune.
 I wanted a break barrel .177 to plink with. Knowing very little about such matters I drove an hour to the nearest Gander Mtn and chose  a Ruger, made sense to me, a well known brand. Came with the scope also.
 Came back home and opened the box and the scope wasnt in it.
Called Gander and they said to bring it back for an exchange. Made second trip and they didnt have another Ruger but allowed me to pick another brand for the same price. The Gamo whisper cost a bit more so I drive back home with it all  excited about my good luck. Got home and then noticed the box had been opened and taped back shut. Gun #2 was also missing the scope. I am starting to see a pattern here. Didnt call this time just loaded up and went back (third trip)! Told them  my story and got rather vocal. The salesman walked back to the rack with me and we began opening boxes to check contents. Found one that contained everything as advertised. Found out soon enough the supplied scope was worthless. I would have been better off to kept the Ruger and bought a scope for it. I would have saved a bunch of time and some money as well.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: xtred1 on September 18, 2018, 09:38:22 PM
I totally understand what you are saying.  I have another collection of a different type that I have been working on over 30 years. I learned that I dont have the funds to buy one of each. So I have learned I have to focus my collecting to a niche. With air rifles I got back into air to shoot not to collect. Rats arrived in my valley last summer so my air rifle purchasing since that time has been centered around shooting rats. I hope one day to get a chance to shoot rats on a rat supper highway. If that happens I might buy a rifle that is more suited to shooting lots of rats at one time.  But for now if I have no use for it I wont buy it. 
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: bantam5s on September 18, 2018, 09:44:03 PM
I'm not sure if my way of airgun shooting would make sense to most here.
My ultimate goal in airgunning is just to have a quiet relaxing shooting session with little frustration.

I started off around 7 plinking inside 20yds with a pumper and iron sights, that's pretty much where I've stayed.
It can be anything even a cheap bb gun, as long as I can hit what I'm aiming at with little frustration I'm happy.

I can't say I've put loads of money into equipment, but I do love taking an inexpensive gun and turning it into the best scopeless plinker I can.
Generally without putting much money into it however.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? –
Post by: Wildcatter on September 18, 2018, 09:55:17 PM
The only thing I can think after reading your story is you chose the wrong gun.  You obviously want to get more into it, practice and learn from what you do, but a $99 tool may do more to drive you crazy then anything else.  Unless you have the one $99 gun that is accurate, you need to get yourself a proper PCP!  Become one with the darkside...
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Steelontarget on September 18, 2018, 11:48:46 PM
Yeah, Steelontarget, despite the fact that I try to put Leadontarget (rather than steel),
I trust you completely – I WILL buy another gun.  ("another" – as in "one"?!)
I already have carefully researched all the options (and they are all a bit too pricey...). But hey, it's gonna happen!


Looking at your gun list, you must have gotten bitten pretty badly by the airgun bug, too. And probably quite some time ago – for your collection to grow like that! Were there any other guns that used to be on the list, but changed the owner at some time in the past...?!  :-)

Then again, Wolverineshooter, fatal infection can go pretty fast as your own gun list proves. 2 years, wow.... You say it's a rabbit hole? More like a crater.  :o


Roadworthy, your advice to "buy high and sell low" fits my airgunning dilemma perfectly. And my location – because where I live airguns easily cost 50% more than in the US.  >:(  It's not right. It makes my crater 50% deeper than yours, Wolverineshooter.
I had some PCPs several years ago but got tired of taking a scuba tank with me to the range and I also got tired of pumping.  So I sold all of the PCPs.

When .22LR was hard to find, I decided to get back into the airguns.  When I looked at the price of a air rifle, scope and about 15,000 pellets compared to a case or two of .22LR, it was a no-brainer.

I'd like to get a Pro Sport but other things are begging for my attention right now.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Back_Roads on September 19, 2018, 12:38:08 AM
 I have been reading this forum for many years now, and am still happy with the plastic straw and spitballs I have been shooting  :D
 Though I have to admit I am considering converting some swagged slug designs to spit ball format  :-\

 All joking aside , your story is much like mine . . . then I discovered the Dark Side  8) x 10 on the money spent then. Now the price of the dark side has almost become affordable < slight nudge in that direction>  ;D
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JoeKool on September 19, 2018, 12:38:41 AM
✔️ JUST DO IT!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Steelontarget on September 19, 2018, 07:26:34 AM
Matthias in 2019... See the attachment...
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on September 19, 2018, 08:49:16 AM
Matthias, For the record the path you have traveled is well worn by others who enjoy this hobby/sport. Mine started in the fall of 2008 when I was given an old steel breech Daisy 880 pumper. From there to a Gamo Whisper Fusion .177 in 2015 the scope that came with the Gamo failed within 2 weeks. Then a new Hawke scope and a CDT 4G replacement trigger upgrade. While the Gamo was apart I decided to do a deburr , lube and tune. My current list is just what I have held onto for the last couple years.

No it makes no sense unless yyou have been bitten by the AG bug.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Mole2017 on September 19, 2018, 10:18:05 AM
My airgunning probably makes perfect sense to a lot of people--too many squirrels! Fortunately, I've been able to keep it on the cheap side, sticking to two main rifles (both bought at seriously discounted prices) and at least one tin of a bunch of different pellets  ::)

Ah but lately I am getting a hankering to put a 24x scope on the R10. I'll probably do it once I've saved up some funds in the PayPal piggy bank. Having to scrimp and save is probably keeping me out of a lot of trouble.

What doesn't make sense--to my wife, at least--is the obsession with shooting the squirrels. If I'm not already sitting down to dinner, I'll be out the back door after them as soon as I hear one sounding off. She scratches her head and admits she never saw this side of me coming...
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on September 19, 2018, 10:46:34 AM
Having suffered through the need to replace the wire harness under the dash of my 69 Chevy pick up after a couple of enterprising squirrels found a way to take up residence under the hood I have no love for the critters when they decide to encroach  >:( ;D
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: SteveP-52 on September 19, 2018, 11:28:43 AM
April 2015, racoon raiding the neighborhood...enter one Hatsan 95 .25 cal. I read the reviews first, said buy a better scope so I did. Emptied $375 from the bank account, took care of the masked pest and got me hooked.

3 years and 5 months later, a good lot of that spent here and I'm now up to, ummm....31? at last count...and scopes for all....and of course all the rest with chrony and range finder and targets and pellets...lots and lotssss of pellets...62,000 or so I think...and parts and pieces and tools and then some of those stocks just had to be refinished so moreeee stuff...lol.

Then it happened...I caved...to the dark side...only one mind you but that one emptied my bank account another $2000 for rifle, scope and a tank. I know, a drop in the bucket to some but a lot to me...course now the debate on a way to fill it myself....

I stopped counting at $20,000 (I know, drop in the bucket considering what some here have invested) but I'm having a blast and that's what matters, right? :)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on September 19, 2018, 11:43:10 AM
She scratches her head  admits she never saw this side of me coming...

Yeah, as kid I was totally fascinated with guns. Then life happened.
And the wife had no idea that after an incubation period of several decades my gun infection suddenly would brake out, violently and irreversible my doctor says.
Culprit is the manuballista virus – and my particular strand is the AG manubalista virus. 
But, oh, it hurts so good!   ;D
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on September 19, 2018, 12:47:09 PM
April 2015, racoon raiding the neighborhood...enter one Hatsan 95 .25 cal. I read the reviews first, said buy a better scope so I did. Emptied $375 from the bank account, took care of the masked pest and got me hooked.

3 years and 5 months later, a good lot of that spent here and I'm now up to, ummm....31? at last count...and scopes for all....and of course all the rest with chrony and range finder and targets and pellets...lots and lotssss of pellets...62,000 or so I think...and parts and pieces and tools and then some of those stocks just had to be refinished so moreeee stuff...lol.

Then it happened...I caved...to the dark side...only one mind you but that one emptied my bank account another $2000 for rifle, scope and a tank. I know, a drop in the bucket to some but a lot to me...course now the debate on a way to fill it myself....

I stopped counting at $20,000 (I know, drop in the bucket considering what some here have invested) but I'm having a blast and that's what matters, right? :)

 ::) ;D I think my wife has a better idea of how much my AG's have cost . On the bright side I have spent way way more on motorcycles and fast cars for the last 50 years. Also during my brief bachelorhood between first and second marriage money spent on dating.  ;D ;D ;D
However some of that was money spent dating my second wife so that doesn't count.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Steelontarget on September 19, 2018, 02:09:49 PM
The scene: The Husband is downstairs in the basement with his brand new and very expensive air rifle.  He has it topped off with the latest most expensive optics.  He’s had the rifle for 3 days and has been in the basement tweaking it to the peak of perfection.  He’s getting one-hole groups at 10 meters, but something doesn’t seem quite right to him.  He’s been in the basement every waking hour for the three days that he’s owned the air rifle.  His wife aka SWMBO (“she who must be obeyed)”) didn’t see the air rifle arrive three days ago and has no idea that it exits.  The curtain opens for us as the Husband fires his last shot for a ten-shot group.

SWMBO:  (Walks down the basement stairs with a cup of coffee in her hands.)  Hi honey, you’ve been working so hard that I thought I’d bring you a cup of coffee.

Husband:  Thanks Sweetheart.  You’re really good to me.  What would I do without you?

SWMBO:  Probably the same as you are now.  You seem to spend more time with your air rifles than you do with me.  Don’t you love me anymore?

Husband:  I’m sorry Buttercup.  I promise to do better in the future.  (Walks over to SWMBO, hugs her and kisses her passionately on the lips – smart move).

SWMBO:  Wow! I ought to bring you coffee more often.  What are you doing anyway?

Husband:  I’ve got this rifle that doesn’t seem to be behaving properly.

SWMBO:  (For once, she seems interested in the Husband’s hobby). Oh, what’s wrong with it?

Husband:  (Is practically giddy over the possibility that his lovely SWMBO may be taking an interest in shooting. He gets excited and shows her the targets) Look at the difference between these targets.  Do you see how the shot groups are getting bigger?

SWMBO:  Gee, my handsome Stud-muffin, I can’t see any difference.  They all look the same size to me.

Husband:  Ah but Lamb-Chop, to the naked eye they look the same but look through this magnifying glass and measure the groups with the calipers.

SWMBO:    But Lover-Boy, you know I don’t know how to use… what did you call them again?

Husband:  Calipers, they’re called calipers, my little Rose.

SWMBO:  What do these calipers do, Dreamboat?

Husband:  They measure objects down to the thousandth of an inch.  Look here, I have made a spreadsheet on the computer to show the difference in the groups over the last three days.

SWMBO:  Is that what you’ve been doing down here, shooting your air rifle for the past three days, my big bad Romeo?

Husband:  Well not exactly, Sugar Dumpling, I’ve been adjusting the torque settings on the stock screws and compared them to the size of the groups with different pellets.

SWMBO:  “Tourque” settings?  That sounds absolutely kinky, Big-Daddy.

Husband:  Oh I can assure you that it’s nothing of the sort.  (SWMBO frowns but Husband doesn’t see it as he’s pulling up the spreadsheet on the computer). 

SWMBO:  (Leans over the Husband so he can smell her new perfume and kisses him on the cheek and nibbles him on the ear.)  (In a seductive tone)  Tell me more my big hunk of love.

Husband: (Can’t take a hint if it was a ton of bricks dropped on his head from a three-story building)  Look here Sweetheart, the shot group when it was brand new was .180 inches at ten meters, now it’s .200 at the same distance.

SWMBO:  What?!?!?  You got a brand-new air rifle!

Husband:  (The ton of bricks has just landed, and a panicked look comes over his face).  Ah but ah….  Buttercup, I’ve only had this rifle for a little while.

SWMBO:  How much is a little while?

Husband:  That sounds like somebody at the door.  I better answer it.  It might be the UPS man.

SWMBO:  I didn’t hear anything.  What would the UPS man be delivering here?  I didn’t order anything? (she pauses then smiles) Ah, Sugar Daddy, you remembered!  I love you.  (SWMBO gives oblivious Husband a big hug).

Husband:  (Looks even more panicked stricken and is speechless.)

SWMBO:  Oh darling, you look upset.  Oh no, I’m sorry, I’m so insensitive.  You got me what I’ve always wanted for my birthday today and you didn’t want to spoil the surprise.  That’s okay, my Naughty Boy, I’ll act surprised when you give it to me tonight after the special dinner that I’m going to make for you.  Do you forgive me for spoiling your surprise?

Husband:  (Another ton of bricks has landed and this time his head is about to explode, and he can’t think fast enough).  Oh well, uhm, ah, well you know….

SWMBO:  Oh Honey, don’t act so modest and unselfish.  I will still be just as happy as ever.  I won’t spoil the moment anymore for you.  Why don’t you go upstairs and get my present from the UPS man then hide it from me until tonight?

Husband:  Well my little Turtle-Dove, the UPS box isn’t for you.

SWMBO:  (Tear wells up in her eye) Oh, it’s another air rifle.

Husband:  Well, yes but it’s not for me (he says lying through his teeth with crossed fingers behind his back).

SWMBO: (more tears and sniffling) Well then, who’s it for?

Husband:  It’s for my boss.  He is into air rifles just like me.  Only his wife isn’t as loving and understanding about his hobby like you are with me.  You see, Honey-Bunch, a lot of women aren’t as compassionate, loving, understanding and caring as you are.  They won’t let their husbands leave the house without lots of questions and demands.  You’re an absolute angel compared to them.

SWMBO:  (Begins to smile through the tears) But I still don’t understand why your boss has his air rifle sent here instead of his place. 

Husband:  He doesn’t want his wife to find out.

SWMBO:  So, you’re helping your boss lie to his wife? (frown on face – tears all gone)

Husband:  Not exactly.  Well, ah, you see… well you know… but, well uhm…  He’s going to sell his old air rifle before he brings another one into the house.

SWMBO:  Then why didn’t he buy the new rifle after he sold the old one?

Husband:  The new rifle was on sale and he wanted to get it at a good price.  You understand about sales, don’t you?

SWMBO:  Oh, I do now.  You’re going to keep the rifle while he’s in the process of selling the old one.

Husband:  Yes. That’s correct.  I’m glad you are such an understanding wife my Love-Bunny!

SWMBO:  Gee, Darling, I’m so lucky to have an honest Husband like you that I can always trust! (Gives Husband another big hug and passionate kiss).  Oh, but I’ve been another idiot again.  I’ve spoiled the surprise that you had for me today.  I’m so sorry.

Husband:  Well I didn’t exactly get you a surprise…

SWMBO:  (Tears well up again and lower lip begins to quiver)

Husband:  My surprise was to, well uhm, you know, uhm… Take you to the most expensive restaurant in town then shopping all day tomorrow and get you whatever you want!

SWMBO:  Anything!?!?!?

Husband:  Well, Muffin-Cake, you know we still have a budget to maintain but no sacrifice is too big for you.

SWMBO:  (Give Husband another big hug and passionate kiss) Ooooh Sugar-Daddy!  Am I gonna make sweet love to you after dinner tonight!  I’m going to go out and buy a new dress right now for dinner tonight.  Is your wallet upstairs in the bedroom?  I need the credit card for the new dress, oh and shoes to!  (Doesn’t wait for answer but hurries up the steps)

Husband:  (Tears well up in eyes and lower lip begins to quiver)

Curtains close….
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Gipper on September 19, 2018, 02:25:05 PM
Your Puncher Breaker is over on AGN in the classified section....fully tuned!!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: DanD on September 19, 2018, 02:43:59 PM
The scene: The Husband is downstairs in the basement with his brand new and very expensive air rifle....
Wow! What a masterful script! I'm breathless...
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: SpiralGroove on September 19, 2018, 03:28:27 PM
Yeah, as kid I was totally fascinated with guns. Then life happened.
And the wife had no idea that after an incubation period of several decades my gun infection suddenly would brake out, violently and irreversible my doctor says.
Culprit is the manuballista virus – and my particular strand is the AG manubalista virus. 
But, oh, it hurts so good!   ;D

Yeah, my symptoms were similar to your affliction.
Shot a lot of Benjamin, Sheridan and Crosman BB & pellet guns as a kid until about 11th grade.
Fast forward 38 years (2014), saw and purchased a Hatsan 95 on-line, it only cost $150. 
I thought "What could the hurt - its a minor expense".  Little did I know, that with the GTA's help, I would suddenly be struct by the devastating manuballista virus.
$10K+ later, the virus has plateaued, but still ever present ...... my Wife thinks I need to see a councilor ;).

Long story short, great hobby that keeps me sane while raising my family.  Everybody's gets hit with some kind of a mid-life crisis of sorts, this is my escape ;D.
   
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Steelontarget on September 19, 2018, 04:21:41 PM
The scene: The Husband is downstairs in the basement with his brand new and very expensive air rifle....
Wow! What a masterful script! I'm breathless...
Thanks but my thoughts were not original but inspired by true-to-life situations.

In order for something to be funny, there has to be an element of truth to it.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: TF89 on September 19, 2018, 04:58:34 PM
For me, of course it doesn't really make sense in the grand scheme of things, neither does TV.  Still I enjoy both.  TV is for when the weather doesn't cooperate 8)

It keeps me off the mean streets ;)

Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Mr. Panther on September 19, 2018, 06:55:49 PM
I started out as a kid with my first .22 pump up Crosman a 140 I think. Lost track of that, had a CO2 crosman after I got out of tyhe miltary to cull some of the chippers and rabbits out of my step dads back yard in Milwaukee, then lost track of that as I got into pistols and rifles. Fast forward another 20 years and found an old 1400 for sale at a yard sale and bought that to cull pests in MY back yard. I got a Sheridan blue streak next, It died too then 20 years ago I got a urge to have some more pellet rifles and  I bought a C9A and a 397pa, and a 392pa. All fine guns and took alot of pests and food bearing animals. THEN....... I found this web sight. Now I have toooooo many guns to shoot. I have no one to curb my desire to buy them as my wife lives 125 miles away, (she never told me what I could or couldn't buy any ways). So I have aquired a lot of pellet guns. I went crazy on break barrels "cus they wuz fun to tinker with.", and a few PCPs, (both CO2 and air). Now I am getting into vintage Crosman pumpers of the 760 variety. I must say they have been the most fun to shoot so far as I can shoot them in the house on a rainy day and not have to worry about destroying any thing other than a tin can. this is a lot of fun but can soon turn into a growing, breathing thing LOL. 
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on September 19, 2018, 07:43:44 PM
I very much enjoyed your script, Steelontarget, – "Based on real life events."
Masterfully written, very cool. Thanks for getting me rolling on the floor laughing.

And look how helpful the GTA members are...:  I confesse to a gun addiction, and CLICK, here comes a reply post: "Oh, you know, I've seen a gun you might like, it's over at XYZ classified forum!" 
And deeper into the rabbit hole I crawl....  Nah, my rabbit hole is the size of a crater, and
I'm f a l 
               l   
                    i

                       n

                         g.

(Yes, of course I went the check the XYZ forum.)

          ;D
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Wolverineshooter on September 20, 2018, 12:48:27 AM
Mike that script is so real and vivid. How many of us here have acted part of that
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Wayne52 on September 20, 2018, 01:36:24 AM
I'm pretty much nearing my nirvana with the 22 & 25 pellet casting results I've been getting, now I can comfortably shoot a lot of lead and not have to worrying about buying pellets for them.  At last there's someone building some good airgun pellet molds that are well worth while. 
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: mobilemail on September 20, 2018, 07:26:18 AM
Steelontarget reply #29 -

nominated for Air-my award, likely winner! (Or would that be an Air-scar?)

Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: avator on September 20, 2018, 08:53:32 AM
I feel OP's pain. I needed a little something to carry an airgun around with so I got this handy little gun carrier.

Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: soolio on September 20, 2018, 12:59:39 PM
I know this feeling. But It’s not pain.;D

Up untill this year, that I jumped into PCP, I have almost exclusively purchased and modified Crosman 2240’s, and 1322’s. These are $60 airguns with at least $200-$300 in mods each put into them. By normal standards, this doesn’t make sense at all.

But I’m happy with them. And I have enjoyed shooting AND modifying them. Will I ever get the money or time back that I put into them? Absolutely not. But that’s ok. I’m still having fun;)


Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: AG72 on September 20, 2018, 03:55:30 PM
I have 2 of the best springer models in the world, HW97k and Walther LGV Master Pro, still buy new and used ones, why? Cause it´s fun with new toys...
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Steelontarget on September 20, 2018, 06:55:57 PM
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z71/Shutterbug_album/Marriage%20Interruption_zpswdgrn3xh.jpg)

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z71/Shutterbug_album/Goodfella%20Air%20Gun_zpsua4f5pzz.jpg)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on September 20, 2018, 08:26:23 PM
To the OP...
Recently my wife "called me out" in front of a bunch of friends...
"How many airguns do you have"
I honestly did not know... did a search here and came back with the answer... 24.
Needless to say the other wives gasped but the husbands applauded.

I joined here on February 15, 2016 with the best of intents. I had bought a Crosman PC77 (1377) from walmart and gave my son-in-laws and "tom boy" daughter #3 all $50 to get their own.
 The idea was simple, start with the same entry level air pistol and on weekends we would all have a shoot-off. Mod it as you want, but here is the base. It was well received When we gathered on weekends they all partook in shooting mine off the deck, but none ever committed.
 I proceeded to "tweek" mine bits at a time.
Son in Law #1 is a "Powder Burner" boy... through an through. He craves the "Bigger Kick", Son-in-Law #2 divorced and left, Daughter # 3 moved way far away. I then got a 392 pumper... Son-in-Law # 4 is intrigued, loves to shoot mine, but has a 2 year old and another on the way. So his priorities are in the right place.

  Then my addition started. I began in search of a 342 of my youth, found a 312, then a early 392P, and then...Next came the desire for a break-barrel after reading about them here.
 I ordered one from PA that was on back order and could not stand the wait, so one day walking through Walmart, I picked up my Silver Kodiak for $98 to try... then the Hatsan 95 was delivered, then the Crosman Genesis...
 Now the Vintage desire was in full swing. Got a Blue streak, then my sought after 342 of my youth...
 But wait there is a C9A for $75... BOUGHT.
You mean I can get MATCH quality rifles? Ooohh gots to have!
 Wait their are vintage ones of those TOO? DANG... MUST HAVE one of those... or two!
Oh really, CO2, Yes I remember that was easy, I had one as a Kid.... so vintage and new must be had.... yes 4 please.
DANG those 2240 Crosamn CO2 pistols are nice an "Modable" like my original 1377.
Hmmm I need a Vintage pistol.. GOT IT!
Then entry level PCP sounds fun...
Let me just say, the DARK SIDE IS DEEP!
 One PCP I have is most expensive of all and it is my pride and joy...don't regret it a single bit ::)
Now look at my list.  :o

OK different pellets preferred by each, I can now bulk fill CO2, Bottle feed others teathered, hand pump for the PCP's and then my own Compressor.
I am currently saving my pennies for the most expensive German Break-barrel I know of... just got to try it to see what the HOOPLAH is about.
This is one CRAZY addiction.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Back_Roads on September 20, 2018, 08:48:05 PM
 ... and it never fails , while you are waiting for a gun to ship 4 more come along on sale at who could pass that deal price.  ::)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on September 20, 2018, 08:51:44 PM
The GTA "Bargan Gate" and "Classifieds Gate" are evil..
 EVIL I TELL YOU!

I call them a "Mussen't touch it"
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Steelontarget on September 20, 2018, 09:07:10 PM
The GTA "Bargan Gate" and "Classifieds Gate" are evil..
 EVIL I TELL YOU!

I call them a "Mussen't touch it"

And this airgun manufacturer isn't?

Admit it; you're either pulling your credit card out now or you are trying to figure out how to pay for it.  Or you have gone to another website cause your SWMBO just walked in the room.

BTW, I bet this model also sells very, very, very expensive sport cars.

(https://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/downloads/Werbematerial/Wallpaper/Motiv%208002%20-%20Nr2%20-%201680x1050.jpg?downloads&PHPSESSID=9cd44d8827e98eddaeda07d7e220d01a)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on September 20, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
(un)Fortunately an Anshutz is still outta my league. ::)
I will be content with my 40 YO Feinwerkbau and keep saving for a "newer" Weihrauch.

But yes, that gal has a lucrative carrier I am sure.  :P
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Acapulco on September 20, 2018, 09:51:47 PM
Rule 1. Dont tell anybody what you spent or going to spend on airgun items. I mean nobody!

Rule 2. Hang on and enjoy the ride.

Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on September 21, 2018, 12:24:56 AM
Rule 1. Dont tell anybody what you spent or going to spend on airgun items. I mean nobody!

Rule 2. Hang on and enjoy the ride.

You are onto something there, Acapulco.
I recently stumbled upon the abbreviation SSS.
I is used for pesting situations that are somewhat debatable if the lethal pest control method was appropiate.
The advice that is usually given is the triple-S of debatable lethal pest control =
1. Shoot
2. Shovel
3. Shut up

I can think of another three-letter advice, pertaining to our topic at hand, airgunning beyond the limits of what non-AG can understand.
It is the triple-S of gun ownership – SSS =
1. Shop
2. Shoot
3. Shut up

             ;D
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on September 21, 2018, 12:31:21 AM
Got a Blue streak, then my sought after 342 of my youth...
But wait there is a C9A for $75... BOUGHT.
You mean I can get MATCH quality rifles? Ooohh gots to have!
Wait their are vintage ones of those TOO? DANG... MUST HAVE one of those... or two!
Oh really, CO2, Yes I remember that was easy, I had one as a Kid.... so vintage and new must be had.... yes 4 please.
Hmmm I need a Vintage pistol.. GOT IT!
Now look at my list.  :o

Oh, I laughed so hard!  Thanks for sharing that vivid description, Scott.  Wonderful.  ROFL!!


(Yes, I admit. – I was looking at guns today. And wind meters.
Or was that yesterday? No, Tuesday it was.
Danggg, it was ALL THOSE DAYS!!)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on October 27, 2018, 11:22:03 PM
I updated my initial post, as the NONsense has continued. 
How far are you down that rabbit hole called EGUP (Exponential Gun Purchases)? Or the fox hole called S-JAC (Self-Justifying Acquisitions)?

Here’s it:

● Sep. 28, 2018:  If I have two scopes, I think I should also have two distance measuring devices (besides the distance estimation of the parallax setting). You know, I should check on my range finder once in a while to make sure it’s working properly, right? And I feel it necessary to measure the distances to my targets down to the inch – because the half yards of my range finder are not precise enough of course.
So, what is one to do? I got myself a measuring reel, all of 300 feet long. Because my gun easily shoots that far with its measly 12FPE. At $45 not a whole lot less then the electronic range finder, but two is better than one, and inches are better than yards. Makes sense, doesn’t it?
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: SteveP-52 on October 28, 2018, 12:11:49 AM
Ummmmm...unless I missed it somewhere along the way...do you have a trigger pull gauge. They're very handy tools for getting that trigger just right....and yes, I own one :)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Back_Roads on October 28, 2018, 12:25:38 AM
 ME ... so many triggers, so little time to measure then all, shoot and adapt ;)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: anti-squirrel on October 28, 2018, 11:59:21 AM
My own way of airgunning makes sense to me.  Pesting, plinking, hunting.  I enjoy all aspects of airgunning, from chasing cans around the yard with a 1740 CO2 carbine to terminating pest species with massive overkill (.25 Polymag on a HOSP skull at 6 yards).

MY airguns were bought to fulfill multiple niches, and the end result: I have had a lot of fun

I'm a cheap SOB, and my most expensive purchase is my PP700 pistol.  Most others were bought with credit accrued on Amazon or PayPal from other things.  MY 2400KT is my next priciest out-of-pocket investment- which means technically I've invested more in power tool blades in the last 4 years than in everything airgun related combined, which is a bit nonsensical considering I do software support for a living.

So I too live a life filled with nonsensical purchases, goals, and means... But the penultimate goal of Having Fun is always achieved.  So I consider it money well-invested.  Thus I would never berate, mock, or find fault with anybody else's chronicle of airgunning.

And if you think airguns can be a pit of nonsense, try motorcycles, boats, computer gaming, woodworking, tuning cars, or powderburners.  All of these can be painful with regard to nonsense.  IE: ask any boat owner: a boat is a hole in the water you dump money into.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on October 28, 2018, 01:22:35 PM
anti-squirrel,
thanks for sharing your personal way of airgunning! It quite unique, and you're having fun -- GREAT! Two thumbs up.

Now you say:
And if you think airguns can be a pit of nonsense, try motorcycles, boats, computer gaming, woodworking, tuning cars, or powderburners.  All of these can be painful with regard to nonsense.  IE: ask any boat owner: a boat is a hole in the water you dump money into.
;D  Oh, yes, you hit the nail right on the head (or put the bullet right into the bulls)  ;D
You got me on your list as well...! So many pits, rabbit holes, and craters that we can get ourselves into. It's so much fun!  ;)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Relentless Holiday on October 28, 2018, 02:10:40 PM
Do't sweat it Mathias,  The justifications will come easier as time passes. 

I have found the single never ending black hole of rationalization for it all. 

"I bought all these pellets to test in guns I have.  Now I need to find the gun for the pellets....oops that gun didn't like those pellets....better buy some different pellets.  Rinse, repeate, rinse, repeate.............
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on October 28, 2018, 02:58:11 PM
Ummmmm...unless I missed it somewhere along the way...do you have a trigger pull gauge. They're very handy tools for getting that trigger just right....and yes, I own one :)

Oh, SteveP-52, THAT'S what I have been missing all those months!!   ;D

Now I can go online and hand over another sensibly spent stack of bills (in its digital form).
(Of course, the NONsensible part of my brain is trying to remind me that I have read posts about free methods of measuring trigger pull..... I try to be sensible and ignore those voices.)   :o
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: T3PRanch on October 28, 2018, 05:19:56 PM
I am so far down the rabbit hole in less than 3 years I can only see the entrance as a dim star  ??? . Perpetual deep twilight at this depth.  :-X
My wife and I only have one child ..... ME!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: the fuse on October 29, 2018, 08:31:13 PM
Great post on this one. I have found, for me, there is no right or particularly sane way to airgun. I'm all impulse.....held in check only by my extreme frugality. Soooooo I ended up with over 100 airguns mostly from tag sales and flea markets. Did I mention I'm cheap. I'm into vintage guns. Pumpers/Co2 are my favorites. So I had to get into resealing. Some of them guns came out of damp basements so I got into restoring. Next thing you know you get knowlegdeable. More knowledgeable than other sellers. So I start buying more expensive guns online that I know I can resell for double or more to help feed the beast. At it's height, I was hitting multiple tag sales and flea markets each week and surfing multiple sites for a couple hours a night. Buying and selling but all the while managing to maintain that magic number of over 100 guns in various states of repair. Some of you folk know that that stage of airgunning is over for me. I'll still pick up the odd nice Cr 157 I run across. Just posted about that one on another thread. But I'm down to about a dozen keepers that Karen and I actually enjoy shooting. It's amazing how much more space there is in my man cave now.  ;)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on October 29, 2018, 10:16:48 PM
Great post.  Don't feel bad.  You figured it out faster than I did, for sure! 

I started out with a Stoeger X10, for squirrel hunting amd so I could hone my marksmanship in the yard.  Somehow, it has evolved into something I can't even recognize.  Attached are a few pictures- first, our spare bedroom loaded down with all the &^^& I am sorting through.  This is pretty much what I am selling, with regards to fishing and hunting equipment. 

My spare rings and mounts fill three ziplock storage bags, representing maybe $300 spent on rings that mostly don't match!  I don't own a single decent scope to go with these rings!  I do have 4 or 5 crappy ones though.

With regards to airguns, I have spent as much on my cheapest rifles as I have on my best ones!  I probably have $500 or more in cheap chinese rifles, not including the guns I've already sold, that i probably won't get $150 back on them! Save your money, buy quality, and never buy new.

I probably have 3x as much money invested in airguns that I still have right now, as I do in firearms.  Of course the firearms were all bought used and refinished by yours truly, and probably worth a whole lot more.  What was I thinking???

The God's Honest Truth- my airgun habit is mild in comparison to most of the enthusiasts that regularly post in the GTA, and so is yours!  Best advice I can give you- buy quality, buy once, and be satisfied.  Try to limit yourself to a gun per year or less, but go for the best quality you can afford.  They all told me the same thing but I learned the hard way!  You'll buy 2 or 3 lesser quality rifles for every satisfactory gun you recieve.

Regards to optics- for springers I wouldn't even use a scope unless for HFT or if you just don't have good vision.  I probably will invest in some quality glass... one day...  i am hard headed you know!

So here's the images:

1.  The spare bedroom full of stuff I have to package and sell somehow.  I can barely freaking walk... will figure it out!

2. The "keepers' corner".  I will have to trim that down too.

3.  Most of the rest of the stuff I am keeping.

4.  Ammo-  pellets on the left.  How do my airgun pellets take up more space than the shotshells?

5.  I have more .22 ammo than .177, but I don't own a .22 rifle.  WHERE ARE THE PREMIUM .177 PELLETS?? WTH!!!  Got to do something different!


Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: lefteyeshot on October 29, 2018, 11:42:15 PM
Told the wife how much I'd spent on this hobby. She said, "That's not to bad, less than your bar tab use to be." And she likes the mood I'm in after a few hour on punching paper out back.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on October 29, 2018, 11:56:44 PM
Told the wife how much I'd spent on this hobby. She said, "That's not to bad, less than your bar tab use to be." And she likes the mood I'm in after a few hour on punching paper out back.

So, the trick is, i need to go on a bender for a couple years! 
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: elh0102 on October 30, 2018, 08:27:33 AM
The way I figure, I don't gamble, don't chase women, don't often drink to excess, so the wife should have no issue with my air gun hobby. But, I'm not so confident of that to ever tell her how much I've spent!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on October 30, 2018, 01:12:35 PM
My problem isn't my wife, it's me.  I have probably spent at least a couple thousand dollars on airguns and sold most of them at a loss of at least 50%.  That is absurd.  You buy used, buy quality, they hold their value if you take care of them.

And I am a springer guy.  All the best spring rifles have been around for a long time.  I work on my own guns as well, not about to ship a rifle for somebody that doesn't care about it to booger it up.  I can get any parts I will ever need for less than the cost to ship a rifle.  I have nothing to gain buying new, not even warranty.

It is my own voice of reason, that is letting me know, I'm screwing up!  If I'd purchased more wisely, and could recover more of my investment, it would be different.  But I am coming around.

About to unload a bunch of guns for less than half what I spent, one last time.  At least the next guy will be able to recover his investment!  Going to invest that money better in guns that bring me a lot more satisfaction.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Wolverineshooter on October 30, 2018, 01:44:13 PM
We all make some sacrifice to keep the industry going, right?

I am cheap so I do not have expensive guns (most expensive one is less than $400). But I spent quite a bit on accessories, accumulating more than 30 scopes. Hundreds of $ on pellets. 20 or so guns mostly really cheap (bargain gate problem), totaling thousands of $ as well. Have not sold anything yet which I should do as I could not possibly shoot them all.

There are always new things on horizon to make you drool. I see a big bore and a semi-auto in the future. But first I need to unload some of them for space.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on October 30, 2018, 01:50:49 PM
We all make some sacrifice to keep the industry going, right?

I am cheap so I do not have expensive guns (most expensive one is less than $400). But I spent quite a bit on accessories, accumulating more than 30 scopes. Hundreds of $ on pellets. 20 or so guns mostly really cheap (bargain gate problem), totaling thousands of $ as well. Have not sold anything yet which I should do as I could not possibly shoot them all.

There are always new things on horizon to make you drool. I see a big bore and a semi-auto in the future. But first I need to unload some of them for space.

Money spent on pellets is never wasted!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on October 30, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
I am so far down the rabbit hole in less than 3 years I can only see the entrance as a dim star  ??? . Perpetual deep twilight at this depth.  :-X
My wife and I only have one child ..... ME!

Oh, did I roll on the floor when I read this post, over and over again!!!!    :D  ;)  ;D  8)
(I couldn't put enough exclamation marks and laughing faces behind my comment to express the giddy feeling that I get every time when I read T3PRanch's statement.)


Bryan H., you have HOW MUCH money in that bag of scope rings?!   ;D

I know it when I see it: There is some true humbleness involved when I read lines like yours:  "My airgun habit is mild in comparison to most of the enthusiasts that regularly post in the GTA."   :D ;D

And Bryan, thanks for the photos.  I will maintain a minimum of dignity and not post pics of my own store-room, errr, ex-bedroom (or pseudo-office).

Ahm, good luck with that desire to sell stuff,...  I've boxes full of good and valuable stuff, I just don't seem to get around to take the photos and write the ads.... (Oh, you mean I should stop posting on GTA and instead post the WTS ads...? You think so?)




Lefteyeshot, you have a point there.
Your technique has been used on all of those who have ventured to talk to a car salesperson about a new ride. Instead of shocking the car shopper on the lot with the $20,000 price of a 2019 Ford Fusion, the smart car salesperson raises the psychological bar by first presenting the higher priced Mustang at $25,000. Because then the 20,000 Fusion does not seem so expensive anymore.
So, yeah, expensive bar tabs, Bryan's 2-year bender, or other expensive ventures make airgunning expenses pale in comparison.



Wolverinshooter, I appreciate that you do not just think of yourself, but of others and their wellbeing. In this case, your concern for the wellbeing of the airgun industry it truly touching. Yes, we all have to make some sacrifices to support it and keep it going.
Oh, what a sentiment!!   ;D
Now I see the obvious and rational reason why you own 30 scopes, keep going and you've got a different scope for each week of shooting. Because the show must go on.
One last time: Is there a law against buying one scope each week, just 1 (one!) scope, one itzibitzi little scope, with a moderate 56mm or 60mm objective? (I mean, look at them telescopes with 3,000mm objectives, and I only want 1/50 of that....!)





Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on October 30, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
If you shoot magnum springers often enough, and cheap out on the glass, you may need a scope a week.

Come to think of it, if you are a magnum breakbarrel guy, maybe you ought to have about 30 scopes in reserve?  Why not...
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: avator on October 31, 2018, 07:45:01 AM
A two bedroom, 2 bath home and a 100' x 60' barn and several out buildings on 8 acres and you literally cannot find one spot on this place where you cannot spot something airgun related. Be it guns, targets, tools or support equipment.... it's everywhere. Wouldn't have it any other way.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Wolverineshooter on October 31, 2018, 09:29:11 AM
If you shoot magnum springers often enough, and cheap out on the glass, you may need a scope a week.

Come to think of it, if you are a magnum breakbarrel guy, maybe you ought to have about 30 scopes in reserve?  Why not...

Haha, my RWS 34 is a scope eater. The scope that came with the gun have its reticle turned in less than a week. I put on a center point 3-9x40 with AO, after several hundred shots, the windgate adjuster no longer click. At least the recicle is still intact so I can still shoot, but could not adjust the POI easily.

My Gamo Swarm Magnum is the most powerful break barrel but the scope has been fine so far, after may be 200 shots. Also with a center point 3-9x40 scope.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on October 31, 2018, 09:42:38 AM
If you shoot magnum springers often enough, and cheap out on the glass, you may need a scope a week.

Come to think of it, if you are a magnum breakbarrel guy, maybe you ought to have about 30 scopes in reserve?  Why not...

Haha, my RWS 34 is a scope eater. The scope that came with the gun have its reticle turned in less than a week. I put on a center point 3-9x40 with AO, after several hundred shots, the windgate adjuster no longer click. At least the recicle is still intact so I can still shoot, but could not adjust the POI easily.

My Gamo Swarm Magnum is the most powerful break barrel but the scope has been fine so far, after may be 200 shots. Also with a center point 3-9x40 scope.

So you own 30 broken scopes because you just can't stand to toss em?  I am the same way...
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: EdinGa on October 31, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
Many of the things I use in my airgun h̶o̶b̶b̶y̶ obsession slide seemlessly back and forth between airguns and their powder fueled cousins. This double duty status creates efficiency and cost savings. Trust me on this, because I've spent many hours perfecting this argument for the inevitable wifely confrontations. Justification is a wonderful thing. 😂
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Habanero69er on October 31, 2018, 05:27:57 PM
Way to CYA Eddie!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on October 31, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
The cost savings over cartridges for sure justifies owning a few nice airguns.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: sk73 on October 31, 2018, 07:44:07 PM
I think all of us have bought some experience.  Airgunning has been a flowing river for me - a Springer stage, a pistol stage, pumper stage, back to springers, vintage pumpers, and finally a pcp.  But I now know the guns I want to keep, the special ones.  That's The experience i paid for.    The rest I'll eventually, or sooner, sell. No need for me to keep them if I don't shoot them much any more.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: bandg on October 31, 2018, 08:19:06 PM
Great point of view-until you repeat a stage or two and think why did I sell that back then.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: mobilemail on October 31, 2018, 09:18:23 PM
Ironically, I find that I now use my airguns primarily for fun shooting and hunting, and my PBs just make it to the range occasionally for a little target practice.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: anti-squirrel on October 31, 2018, 09:23:42 PM
Looking over ll the posts, one thing is clear: we're all afflicted with this hobby/passion/illness.

I don't shoot as much as I like and don't have any of the guns I really want, but that's perfectly fine.  There was a song that said "If you can't be with the one you want, love the one you're with".  This is certainly true with airguns- even my 760 pumper without any sights or optics is fun just plinking cans across the yard...

... Though I admit a certain perverse joy being able to hit a spinner at 19 yards with it, too :)
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: sk73 on October 31, 2018, 09:47:11 PM
Great point of view-until you repeat a stage or two and think why did I sell that back then.

I've done that and thought that.  Don't have a good answer for what to do.  So far, I've re bought only one gun, but it could happen again.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on November 20, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
The cost savings over cartridges for sure justifies owning a few nice airguns.

● Yes, that is one of the huge advantages of AGs over PBs.  ;D

● For me another huge advantage of AGs is that many countries don't legislate them overly strictly.   8) 
And this is sometimes true even of countries where it takes many years and many dollars to get a license for a PB, like Peru.
For example:
I'm still waiting on my Peruvian PB license – and I have spent triple the amount on paperwork than what I spent on the gun (though I "bought" it in a store, I have never seen or held the gun, and until I present the gun licence "my" gun stays locked up in a central government storage facility....).
Oh, the purchase date was January 28.

Of 2003.



Now, airguns in Peru, that's a different story...., legally speaking, AG hunting is fine, any caliber is fine, any power is fine. 
Now that is what I call a FINE legislation.
and...
The opposite of FINE is COARSE.
COARSE is variously defined in my dictionary as:
–"lacking refinement"  [or reasonable thought]
–"crude"  [toward the citizens and their rights]
–"uncultured"  [...]
–"grating"  [on me]
or simply:
–"bad"
Yeah,
bad legislation....

That's what legislation is that restricts AG power to 6FPE (e.g., Germany, Italy; 12FPE England and Canada; 1FPE Northern Ireland);
or restricts AG to plinking and target shooting (e.g., France, Switzerland don't allow any hunting or pest control);
or restricts anything and all AG – even the backyard plinker with the 4FPE Benjamin Trail pistol has to get a firearms license(!!) to hit a couple of Coke cans in his backyard – what's wrong with that, Australia, Japan?!?).
[Source of legislation info:  http://www.airgunbuyer.com/page.asp?pg=1008 (http://www.airgunbuyer.com/page.asp?pg=1008)]



I feel like shedding a tear for our fellow airgunners suffering under such COARSE legal restrictions.   :'(
And I feel like celebrating the citizens' freedom – and airguns.   ;D
If I could, I'd buy you all a drink right now.

Happy shooting,

Matthias
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on November 20, 2018, 05:54:18 PM
The cost savings over cartridges for sure justifies owning a few nice airguns.

● Yes, that is one of the huge advantages of AGs over PBs.  ;D

● For me another huge advantage of AGs is that many countries don't legislate them overly strictly.   8) 
And this is sometimes true even of countries where it takes many years and many dollars to get a license for a PB, like Peru.
For example:
I'm still waiting on my Peruvian PB license – and I have spent triple the amount on paperwork than what I spent on the gun (though I "bought" it in a store, I have never seen or held the gun, and until I present the gun licence "my" gun stays locked up in a central government storage facility....).
Oh, the purchase date was January 28.

Of 2003.



Now, airguns in Peru, that's a different story...., legally speaking, AG hunting is fine, any caliber is fine, any power is fine. 
Now that is what I call a FINE legislation.
and...
The opposite of FINE is COARSE.
COARSE is variously defined in my dictionary as:
–"lacking refinement"  [or reasonable thought]
–"crude"  [toward the citizens and their rights]
–"uncultured"  [...]
–"grating"  [on me]
or simply:
–"bad"
Yeah,
bad legislation....

That's what legislation is that restricts AG power to 6FPE (e.g., Germany, Italy; 12FPE England and Canada; 1FPE Northern Ireland);
or restricts AG to plinking and target shooting (e.g., France, Switzerland don't allow any hunting or pest control);
or restricts anything and all AG – even the backyard plinker with the 4FPE Benjamin Trail pistol has to get a firearms license(!!) to hit a couple of Coke cans in his backyard – what's wrong with that, Australia, Japan?!?).
[Source of legislation info:  http://www.airgunbuyer.com/page.asp?pg=1008 (http://www.airgunbuyer.com/page.asp?pg=1008)]



I feel like shedding a tear for our fellow airgunners suffering under such COARSE legal restrictions.   :'(
And I feel like celebrating the citizens' freedom – and airguns.   ;D
If I could, I'd buy you all a drink right now.

Happy shooting,

Matthias


Thank God for the U.S.A.  Good grief!

Under so much legislation, I would probably be strictly a bow hunter.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Habanero69er on November 20, 2018, 06:48:03 PM
The cost savings over cartridges for sure justifies owning a few nice airguns.

● Yes, that is one of the huge advantages of AGs over PBs.  ;D

● For me another huge advantage of AGs is that many countries don't legislate them overly strictly.   8) 
And this is sometimes true even of countries where it takes many years and many dollars to get a license for a PB, like Peru.
For example:
I'm still waiting on my Peruvian PB license – and I have spent triple the amount on paperwork than what I spent on the gun (though I "bought" it in a store, I have never seen or held the gun, and until I present the gun licence "my" gun stays locked up in a central government storage facility....).
Oh, the purchase date was January 28.

Of 2003.



Now, airguns in Peru, that's a different story...., legally speaking, AG hunting is fine, any caliber is fine, any power is fine. 
Now that is what I call a FINE legislation.
and...
The opposite of FINE is COARSE.
COARSE is variously defined in my dictionary as:
–"lacking refinement"  [or reasonable thought]
–"crude"  [toward the citizens and their rights]
–"uncultured"  [...]
–"grating"  [on me]
or simply:
–"bad"
Yeah,
bad legislation....

That's what legislation is that restricts AG power to 6FPE (e.g., Germany, Italy; 12FPE England and Canada; 1FPE Northern Ireland);
or restricts AG to plinking and target shooting (e.g., France, Switzerland don't allow any hunting or pest control);
or restricts anything and all AG – even the backyard plinker with the 4FPE Benjamin Trail pistol has to get a firearms license(!!) to hit a couple of Coke cans in his backyard – what's wrong with that, Australia, Japan?!?).
[Source of legislation info:  http://www.airgunbuyer.com/page.asp?pg=1008 (http://www.airgunbuyer.com/page.asp?pg=1008)]



I feel like shedding a tear for our fellow airgunners suffering under such COARSE legal restrictions.   :'(
And I feel like celebrating the citizens' freedom – and airguns.   ;D
If I could, I'd buy you all a drink right now.

Happy shooting,

Matthias


Thank God for the U.S.A.  Good grief!

Under so much legislation, I would probably be strictly a bow hunter.

Amen!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: anti-squirrel on November 20, 2018, 07:47:02 PM
I'm sure bows are regulated in many countries.

And yet motor vehicle operators everywhere only require money to buy the vehicle and a driver's license.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on November 20, 2018, 08:54:08 PM
Surely, bows are definitely regulated.  But I can, and have, made 55+ ib longbows from stagger cut and bundled fiberglass rods (the kind you use to mark the driveway so your wife don't wreck the car!)  duct tape together and inserted in PVC pipe.  Bowstring made of weedeater cord.  Will slam a fiberglass arrow with no head on it, clean through the wall of the shed, dont ask me how I know!

In asian countries I think a better bow could be made faster of bamboo!  Or could go the other way with it, start with a stave and put in the work to make something nice.


Regardless, try as you might to stop me (anyone, really) if I want a primitive bow I will have it, and if I want wild vittles I will have those too.
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: RedFeather on November 20, 2018, 09:36:43 PM
Never, EVER buy a Ruger 10/22. Or a boat.  :D
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Bryan Heimann on November 20, 2018, 09:53:22 PM
Never, EVER buy a Ruger 10/22. Or a boat.  :D

 ;D
Title: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: WyoMan on November 20, 2018, 11:05:12 PM
Never, EVER buy a Ruger 10/22. Or a boat.  :D

40 years ago I would have said never buy a Volkswagen Beetle and get a JC Whitney catalog, LOL. Another example of "priceless" fun along the way... no regrets  ;D

Wyo
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: Oldgringo on November 21, 2018, 12:16:18 AM
I've always loved hunting, fishing, and shooting. My interest in air guns came about with age AND the presidential election debacle of 2008.  I could see that any ammo was gonna' get hard to find but maybe, pellets would escape the scourge.  So, I invested in a few air guns.

There are now, six much-beloved, remaining Frauleins in my safe.  I shall cherish them, my CHL License, and my PBs.  The government can go wee-wee up a rope.  Come and Take Them!
Title: Re: Does your way of airgunning make sense? – Brutally honest chronicle of NONsense
Post by: JungleShooter on November 21, 2018, 01:36:10 AM
Thanks Greg, in your previous post you just helped us find another type of airgun buyer for our tongue-in-cheek Typology of Airgun Buyers? on another thread, found here:
   https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=148605 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=148605)

The Type 13 of airgun buyers:

Type 13a:  AG but can’t PB:  There is the gun buyer who buys AG (airguns) because politicians and ideology peddlers have places sheer unsurmountable obstacles on the way to acquire a PB (powder burner). These obstacles are actual (in my case), or looming large in the near future (Oldgringo’s case).

Type 13b:  AG and won’t PB:  Then there is one who does not want PB, and actually prefers AG.
I have to say, I do like it when things go bang, and if it’s louder I like it better.  I was born that way.  All boys are.  That’s a fact.  It’s just that some of us are made to lose that enjoyment for bangs and explosions. Sometimes through political, legal, or ideological influences.

Type 13c:  Wants both AG and PB:  A third variation of the Type 13 species likes both types of guns, AG and PB, and buy both types.


Now you notice that the position of Type 13c certainly gives the person access to a virtually limitless amount of reasons to keep buying more guns, AG and PW. Because, of course, a man (or a woman, likewise), needs...
–needs to have at least one rifle and one pistol,
–needs one of each caliber,
–needs them in both AG and in PW.
Can you see how the factor “AG” just doubled your opportunities for self-deceptive “I need to buy X”–talk? It’s genius.
And a perfect reflection for the days leading up to that Grand Day, that day which has been given the color black and which shows up every year in our calendars right after Thanksgiving....  D: