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Airguns by Make and Model => Benjamin Airguns => Topic started by: PCPhack on September 11, 2018, 08:02:49 PM
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285 FPE tune
.3" porting
JSAR valve
Bag rested
75 yards
Bottle tethered
DonnyFl Emperor v2 LDC
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145gr Nosler
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142gr NSA
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The results at 35 yards were the same with the Noslers better by a very tiny amount. I also shot Air Venturi slugs at 35 yards, but they were much worse.
Overall, I am not really satisfied yet with accuracy. It's shooting 2 MOA at 35 yards and then opens up to 3 MOA at 75 yards. >:(
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Both of those bullets should shoot better than that.
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I might need more time with the gun. After all this I hit a golf ball dead center at 75 yards on my first try, so figure that out. Maybe luck, or I was more relaxed after testing a lot..difficult to say.
I was tethered for all the tests.
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Both of those bullets should shoot better than that.
I believe you! Yours are also much better priced, so I will still use NSA slugs, as they were very very close to each other anyway.
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Now that I am home and sitting here thinking about it, I am curious if the DonnyFl Emperor LDC that I had on it was having a negative impact. I will have to reshoot without it on.
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I own a couple of Bulldogs and at 50 yards both of those slugs are ragged hole. My 142 can shoot around moa if I choose my best group of the day at 100 yards.
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Thanks Nick. I am anxious to reshoot without the LDC and see what happens.
Are your Bulkdogs stock? Can you share what speed you normally shoot the 142gr at?
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One has a slight tune but basically stock. I don't remember what speed I shot them at. In the Bulldog I shoot the 110 grain and the 142. Those picture looks like it could be clipping because the accuracy is poor at very close range. Can you see any strikes in the LDC?
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I checked it. No strikes at all.
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I usually run one size larger DonnyFL Moderator than the caliber I am shooting to prevent POI shift between shooting with it on the gun and off the gun. My current Emperor is a shared unit between my Bulldogs and my .457 Texan.
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I usually run one size larger DonnyFL Moderator than the caliber I am shooting to prevent POI shift between shooting with it on the gun and off the gun. My current Emperor is a shared unit between my Bulldogs and my .457 Texan.
Mine is actually the big .50 sized one, as I was originally considering the Texan or upcoming Hammer.
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Ah David I see we not only live in the same state but think somewhat alike in some areas. ;D
I get 2" groups with Nicks 95 grain swaged hollow point at 100 yards with my Bulldog.
Have not ordered any heavier ones yet to try out.
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I will also try shooting them dry. These tests I had all slugs lubed with FP10, out of habbit. I would think that would help more than hurt though.
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The 95 are not the best in the Bulldog. The 110 and the 142 are for the Bulldogs, the other rounds are just OK in the gun
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Ah David I see we not only live in the same state but think somewhat alike in some areas. ;D
I get 2" groups with Nicks 95 grain swaged hollow point at 100 yards with my Bulldog.
Have not ordered any heavier ones yet to try out.
With the mods I have done, the 95 grain would be almost supersonic. ;D
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Yea I shoot them in a "stock" Bulldog not the other one with my JSAR Valve! ;)
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I might need more time with the gun. After all this I hit a golf ball dead center at 75 yards on my first try, so figure that out. Maybe luck, or I was more relaxed after testing a lot..difficult to say.
I was tethered for all the tests.
I can tell you I often can’t shoot groups. I have messed with my peep sight 392 and “it” was grouping poorly. So I center punched the same hole already in an Ace of Spades playing card at 17yards, and center punched a jackoranda seed pod at 22yards.
I just start to lose concentration shooting groups.
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First, check the crown, and then the transfer port.
I was one of the first to test FP-10 in firearms and Pellets. due to the Army giving me some to try out long before it was available to the public.
I found it to be excellent on pellets, and terrible on cast led slugs in AG's.
One of the Pioneers in long range AG's in big bore RoachCreek, found that 10 wt silicon RC Shock oil does a very good job in the accuracy department. I've been using it for over 7 years now, and it always helps with both accuracy, breach o ring, and leading. Easy to find on Ebay. Made by Lucas Oil.
Knife
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Thanks for the silicon lubricant tip, Michael. I ordered some to try.
I know the TP is OK, having already inspected it under magnification, and pushing ammo through it. After porting it, I spent a good while polishing it and the leade.
I need to inspect the crown still, right.
Some Pitbull barrel supports will arrive soon, and I will inspect it further when putting those in.
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I get the feeling that I'm going to have to order up a TJ 1-26 .357 barrel and put it in a bulldog... Unless Travis (wink-wink) beats me to it, and makes a drop-in replacement available to the masses... (wink-wink). ;D
It's groups like this that worry me about that factory bulldog barrel, insofar as accuracy...
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The sample Noslers that came with my Bulldog, wouldn't shoot worth a hoot! All over the place.
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285 FPE tune
.3" porting
JSAR valve
Bag rested
75 yards
Bottle tethered
DonnyFl Emperor v2 LDC
David,
285 fpe calculates to be about 940 fps. Have you tried bumping down the velocity at about 50 fps increments and see if accuracy improves? I don't know if that's easily done as I don't have a Bulldog yet. ;D
Of course try removing the moderator like others have mentioned and see if that makes a difference first.
Can you detect any movement between your scope and barrel? But that shouldn't make that big a difference at that close range.
Thanks,
Taso
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One of the Pioneers in long range AG's in big bore RoachCreek, found that 10 wt silicon RC Shock oil does a very good job in the accuracy department. I've been using it for over 7 years now, and it always helps with both accuracy, breach o ring, and leading. Easy to find on Ebay. Made by Lucas Oil.
Knifemaker
Have you tried using Shock Oil on pellets? Just wondering if there is one 'oil' to use for all situations or if it's FP-10 for pellets, and Shock Oil for slugs.
M
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I haven't tried adjusting the speed. If needed, I will try that also, but I will do some more work with the barrel first (Pitbull supports and moderator).
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I have been looking at this company for cast slugs. Seems like reasonably priced. I was looking at the 22's and re sizing them along with the 32's but thought you may be interested in the .357's.
https://shop.reedsammo.com/Cast-Bullets_c281.htm
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Thanks Tim!
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This may be a dumb question, But I have not seen it mentioned in this thread yet.
How long has it been since the barrel was cleaned ?
I ask this, because several of the guys I shoot with have high powered big bores.
They pretty much all seem to agree, that Big Bore AG's pushing Slugs, need to have the barrels cleaned far more often than lower powered pellet pushers.
I know that on my .22 to .25 cal guns,... I can go several hundreds of shots,
(and sometimes a couple thousand shots),
Before the accuracy and consistency begins to diminish.
I know the guys in my group who have the higher powered slug pushers, are cleaning their barrels much more often than that.
Just food for thought (?)
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I cleaned it after opening the TP. Still, the barrel itself may need some polishing and breakin as it has only had maybe 75 slugs through it (as in this is a new one).
I will do some work on it over the weekend and see if I have time to shoot some more next week. I will report back.
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This is the end of this thread. Thanks everyone for the feedback. Additional modifications and the next round of testing will be here:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=148299.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=148299.0)
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Have you cleaned the barrel? I was having issues with a different rifle and once I clean it out properly it was same hole at 50 yards with Nick’s 142’s.
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Yes, I did clean the barrel, work on the trigger group, and some other things. This shrunk the groups to 2 inches at 75 yards. Closer in, the groups are far better. It is 75 yards and further that they begin to open up. I am continuing to work to improve the gun in the ongoing log a few posts up.