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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Nomadic Pirate on April 24, 2018, 03:46:38 PM
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Knife because you actually have the goods in hand but anyone else that likes to chime in I like to hear it all ;)
OK so, I'm thinking to regulate my Storm .25, I would like to regulate to shoot the 28gr Benji domes to shoot @ 800 fps
This Storm has a Transfer port adjuster and I have a ton of different springs to play with.
First of all, hey Knife I don't need to put a hole in the air tube right ? ....and if I want to eventually take the regulator out the rifle will return to what it was ?
So, to regulate to 40 FPE what should I set the reg too ? is it a simple process to set and reset the regulator ?
I probably ( most likely ) have a bunch more questions as I get some info and start to understand how this things work ;D ;D
Thanks.......
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I’m running my regulated .25 at 120 bar .and get plenty of shots from a 22ci tank . With an adjustable transfer port it should make tuning real easy. You may want to bring your pressure up as the storm barrel is quite a bit shorter.
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So, if I put a negative pre-load Hammerspring in,
tighten the Transfer port,
fill to 220-230 BAR,
with a 250cc AirTube and a 17" barrel,....how many shots should I get @ 40 FPE ?
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With an educated guess I would say between 40 and 45 shots , while on the regulator . Those numbers are a bit conservative at less than 1 fpe/cu efficiency . I’m sure you could achieve better than what’s posted .
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Manny, I think you would really like a Reg. 8)
No drilling of the tube. for actual testing if you want to back and forth-Reged to non reged and back again, all you have to do is remove the tube, (which you have to do to install the ret any way, and remove the "O" ring. Hubb suggest leaving a gap between the valve block aps .002" or a little more. I used a business card to but the tube against for testing.
When you decide, if you do, file a grove thru the threads the tube screws onto, enough to get to the base of the threads. And a small notch that mates to the groove when the tube is fully screwed to the valve block, this will be at 6:o'clock position, or very bottom of the tube.
Either of these methods lets the reg breath. However the second method allows the reg to react faster for follow up shots. ;)
I set my reg for 145 bar for testing. Everything worked so well there, that I just left it. Once I get a Chrony in, this may change. ;D
this all sounds difficult. Took me about 10-15 minutes. But I didn't use a file, I used a Fordum, (sort of a industrial dremel) with a small diamond disk. LOL
Knife
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Manny, my bad!
I forgot part of your question. No, DO NOT restrect the port. The Reg needs full flow access. The Reg will be set for what ever restriction you need, as you tune it.
To adjust the reg, simply remove it and use the dial on the top of the huma. Only caution is that when increasing output, be sure to go past desired pressure setting by at least one full mark, then dial back to where you want to be.
Be sure to use divers type silicone on the outside fo the res's O rings. ;)
Your Gonna love a Reg, probably as much as the Storms! Super Combo Manny!!! 8)
Knife
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Manny, when you get the chance, look up Trenier Outdoors. The are the dealer here. There are full instructions there. and well done. ;)
Jeff, the owner is very easy to talk to, and very quick on shipping!
Tell him I ask you to contact him. He may do you a solid! 8)
Knife
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Cool thanks,....I have to make a pellet order at Treniers very soon anyway, lets see how it goes.
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Manny, when you get the chance, look up Trenier Outdoors. The are the dealer here. There are full instructions there. and well done. ;)
Jeff, the owner is very easy to talk to, and very quick on shipping!
Tell him I ask you to contact him. He may do you a solid! 8)
Knife
+1 for Trenier Outdoors
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+2 for Triener Jeff is a great guy and will help you out.
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+3 for Trenier . . . my go to place for pellets now. Way better to deal with than others is my experience.
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Did you guys see the youtube video's about the new semiauto Evanix's coming out ??? They sure look like they'll be some neat guns.
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+4 Trenier
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+5 Trenier
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+6 Trenier. I order my pellets from him now, because he is competitive in pricing AND packs the pellets EVEN BETTER than PA and AGD - hard to believe but true! Jeff has always provided excellent service to me.
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I just talked to Jeff at Trenier. He is out of stock on the Reg's for the RS II, But is putting in an order! ;)
I think it would be a good idea to call Trenier, and ask Jeff to order a few with the .30 cal. plenum for use with the more powerful .25 RS II. I don't really think the norman .25 plenum is large enough. ;D
Knife
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Manny, I think you would really like a Reg. 8)
No drilling of the tube. for actual testing if you want to back and forth-Reged to non reged and back again, all you have to do is remove the tube, (which you have to do to install the ret any way, and remove the "O" ring. Hubb suggest leaving a gap between the valve block aps .002" or a little more. I used a business card to but the tube against for testing.
When you decide, if you do, file a grove thru the threads the tube screws onto, enough to get to the base of the threads. And a small notch that mates to the groove when the tube is fully screwed to the valve block, this will be at 6:o'clock position, or very bottom of the tube.
Either of these methods lets the reg breath. However the second method allows the reg to react faster for follow up shots. ;)
I set my reg for 145 bar for testing. Everything worked so well there, that I just left it. Once I get a Chrony in, this may change. ;D
this all sounds difficult. Took me about 10-15 minutes. But I didn't use a file, I used a Fordum, (sort of a industrial dremel) with a small diamond disk. LOL
Knife
Hmmm, just re-reading this post and I'm not to sure I want to alter those threads to make the Reg work,
Rethinking this, I don't really do any target shooting and certainly no long range target shooting so even if the Reg sounds appealing it's not something that fits my Style really, I have a transfer port adjuster on my .25 so I can tune her to lower power quite easily.
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Rethinking this, I don't really do any target shooting and certainly no long range target shooting so even if the Reg sounds appealing it's not something that fits my Style really, I have a transfer port adjuster on my .25 so I can tune her to lower power quite easily.
First of all + 7 on Trenier
I went ahead and regulated my hunting gun simply to achieve more consistency for the (theoretical) better accuracy.
And have been satisfied as it enables me to have less to be concerned about on where I am in the string and by more consistent trajectory with less to compensate/adjust/calculate for on a shot to shot basis.
And I am regulated at the top of the regulators power so not target shooting which is why traditionally people use regulators... you could kind of say a new day is dawning between how we used to look at things and how we are changing to look at them now. In PBs 99% of what I did reloading for matches (and everything else really) was for consistency which is the #1 for accuracy. Pneumatic guns need consistency even more to achieve accuracy. You hunt hogs and like me, I bet you have needed to thread a shot through thick brush 'into the ear' a few times... The only reason I take the shot is I know the accuracy is there to thread the needle and not be deflected off that branch since it was shooting high or low from an unregulated variable charge of air from where I am aiming. The regulation gives me more confidence in my hardware and hence more confidence in my abilities.
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I was just about to post to Manny that with what he does, he really doesn't really need a Reg. But with what you just posted, I re considered it. Being an old varment shooter, with reloading long range precision loads. I fully agree!
Manny, Get a Reg. You should experience at least one in you shooting career! ;)
Knife
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Rethinking this, I don't really do any target shooting and certainly no long range target shooting so even if the Reg sounds appealing it's not something that fits my Style really, I have a transfer port adjuster on my .25 so I can tune her to lower power quite easily.
First of all + 7 on Trenier
I went ahead and regulated my hunting gun simply to achieve more consistency for the (theoretical) better accuracy.
And have been satisfied as it enables me to have less to be concerned about on where I am in the string and by more consistent trajectory with less to compensate/adjust/calculate for on a shot to shot basis.
And I am regulated at the top of the regulators power so not target shooting which is why traditionally people use regulators... you could kind of say a new day is dawning between how we used to look at things and how we are changing to look at them now. In PBs 99% of what I did reloading for matches (and everything else really) was for consistency which is the #1 for accuracy. Pneumatic guns need consistency even more to achieve accuracy. You hunt hogs and like me, I bet you have needed to thread a shot through thick brush 'into the ear' a few times... The only reason I take the shot is I know the accuracy is there to thread the needle and not be deflected off that branch since it was shooting high or low from an unregulated variable charge of air from where I am aiming. The regulation gives me more confidence in my hardware and hence more confidence in my abilities.
OK so,
I go hunting with a full charge, I know I can get 10 shots into a dime at 50 yards ( and I rarely, very rarely shoot at a Hog that far ) I'm lucky if I use 2 shots on a hunt,.....having said all that, what advantage would a regulator give me in my application ?
Also, on a side note if I can get a jig to shorten my stash of 43gr EunJin pellets I will turn this little .25 cal TacStorm into a 70+ FPE Mini-Mean hunter :) :)
Regulators sound wonderful but the more I think about it it just feels like I would waste my money, .......I still might one day get a regulated .22 of some kind, most likely a Storm tho :) :)
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Manny considering a regulator?
Excuse me, brb, gotta go buy a lottery ticket ;D
Seriously though, nothing wrong with regulating your hunting rig Manny. As long as you set it up so that you have enough power to get the job done & it doesn't hinder any potential hunting scenario you may encounter, including threading the needle through brush, harder skulls, less than precision perfect angles or slightly longer ranges than usual. However...
OK so,
I go hunting with a full charge, I know I can get 10 shots into a dime at 50 yards ( and I rarely, very rarely shoot at a Hog that far ) I'm lucky if I use 2 shots on a hunt,.....having said all that, what advantage would a regulator give me in my application ?
Also, on a side note if I can get a jig to shorten my stash of 43gr EunJin pellets I will turn this little .25 cal TacStorm into a 70+ FPE Mini-Mean hunter :) :)
Regulators sound wonderful but the more I think about it it just feels like I would waste my money, .......I still might one day get a regulated .22 of some kind, most likely a Storm tho :) :)
to put it bluntly & state my honest opinion (sorry but it's the only way I know how) the advantages to for your applications & for your manner of use of AG's, would be practically none.
For 3-5 shots/outing on a full fill, you really don't NEED a regulator bruh. & I'm pretty sure you've noticed by now, you've gotten by just fine without one haven't you? ;)
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Gotcha!
And that is why they make both Chocolate and Vanilla ice cream (or Tin Roof for those of us in Blue Bell country who can get it)
Or Chocolate Chip Mint, uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Choices?, choices?...
Now I heading to the freezer and it's all your fault Pirate for making me think of that analogy.
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Haven't seen Tin Roof. What is it "From blue Bell" of course! ;)
I can see the point Manny, with so few shots taken. Would make for a nice .22 RS though. 8)
Knife
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Manny considering a regulator?
Excuse me, brb, gotta go buy a lottery ticket ;D
Seriously though, nothing wrong with regulating your hunting rig Manny. As long as you set it up so that you have enough power to get the job done & it doesn't hinder any potential hunting scenario you may encounter, including threading the needle through brush, harder skulls, less than precision perfect angles or slightly longer ranges than usual. However...
OK so,
I go hunting with a full charge, I know I can get 10 shots into a dime at 50 yards ( and I rarely, very rarely shoot at a Hog that far ) I'm lucky if I use 2 shots on a hunt,.....having said all that, what advantage would a regulator give me in my application ?
Also, on a side note if I can get a jig to shorten my stash of 43gr EunJin pellets I will turn this little .25 cal TacStorm into a 70+ FPE Mini-Mean hunter :) :)
Regulators sound wonderful but the more I think about it it just feels like I would waste my money, .......I still might one day get a regulated .22 of some kind, most likely a Storm tho :) :)
to put it bluntly & state my honest opinion (sorry but it's the only way I know how) the advantages to for your applications & for your manner of use of AG's, would be practically none.
For 3-5 shots/outing on a full fill, you really don't NEED a regulator bruh. & I'm pretty sure you've noticed by now, you've gotten by just fine without one haven't you? ;)
+1
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Haven't seen Tin Roof. What is it "From blue Bell" of course! ;)
I can see the point Manny, with so few shots taken. Would make for a nice .22 RS though. 8)
Knife
Ahhh, Tin Roof, is vanilla with big thick fudge swirls in it and chocolate covered nuts scattered throughout.
Produced twice a year limited production and for example, my town's Krogers gets 10, 1/2 gals each time.
The store manage calls me and I get 4. The rest are gone by the end of day.
Every year or so they will produce some pints you sometimes see at service station stores display cases.
I guess Blue Bell only distributes from Brenham Texas along the Gulf Coast states? LA, MS, AL, GA?
every other week I sit down with a bowl of ice cream and a syringe of 25units insulin, I'm a bad person and my endocrinologist and cardiologist hate me
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I do like the regulated guns that I have which is only 2 but regulators do tend to put a damper on the power shots in trade for shot count. I am very happy with the way I've got my SPA M16 performing since I modified it, it's got plenty of power for a .22 and I honestly don't need to fill it for every hunt if I don't go hog wild plinking with it but there's always that option. Honestly if I had my hands on a nice Rainstorm II in .357 there's no way that I'd ever even consider putting a regulator in it. I would use the gun mainly for large small game and deer only. Besides that I simply love the nice thumbhole stock that comes with the .357. If I was going to do a lot of shooting in one sitting with it I'd have a SCBA tank close to refill.
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Yeah, I'll put this on the future project drawer,
and will probably do it with a Storm .22
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I was very fortunate to be able to get my hand on a Thumb Hole Stock. Love-It!
Yes, I do now what Tin Roof is, I have been to the pant, It's not far from here. Just never seen it in any of our stores here.
With selfish bastids like you, I probably never will. LOL!!! ;D
But then again, I hate Chocolate. My German wife says she has never been able to find real Chocolate here. Mostly wax and what seems like sand. LOL!
I did have Swiss Chocolate at the Mozart Hotel in Switzerland a few years ago. I agree. A totally different animal that what we have here. About as much difference between grass fed fine steak and turkey burgers. Similar, sort of, kinda, if you don't mind what ya say. :D plus ++LOL!
Knife
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Knife, check out See's Candies. It might get you some brownie points with your Mrs.
http://www.sees.com/ (http://www.sees.com/)
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I do like the regulated guns that I have which is only 2 but regulators do tend to put a damper on the power shots in trade for shot count. I am very happy with the way I've got my SPA M16 performing since I modified it, it's got plenty of power for a .22 and I honestly don't need to fill it for every hunt if I don't go hog wild plinking with it but there's always that option. Honestly if I had my hands on a nice Rainstorm II in .357 there's no way that I'd ever even consider putting a regulator in it. I would use the gun mainly for large small game and deer only. Besides that I simply love the nice thumbhole stock that comes with the .357. If I was going to do a lot of shooting in one sitting with it I'd have a SCBA tank close to refill.
Wayne,
Here is your chance! minus the stock that you want though. Might bet a good deal if you dont need that scope. Thought I'd pass the info along.
https://airgunwarriors.com/yellow-airgun-classifieds/fs-evanix-rainstorm-35/
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WOW! 675 shipped. Wonder what the issue is?
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Mike,
No issue, I contacted him a few weeks ago when I was still on the hunt for a used .25. At least that is what he told me in the email. Also dropped the price for me cause I was not interested in the scope. I thought long and hard but I had my head set on a .25 instead for my needs.
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A good buy, particularly for someone who cast! 8)
Knife
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Michael I tried both sizes of the Nielson slugs, they don't get the muzzle energy like the pellets and the rifling is there on the slug but not much. That tells me a lot of air is going by the slug. I can't even feel them chamber either. I think if they were a couple thou bigger they would be a lot better.